Films=Peak medium for creators

[Anonymous No.15667658]

Literature=Peak medium for consumers.

Is it true?

[Anonymous No.15667662]

>>15667658
True patrician's pick: Vidya.

[Anonymous No.15667681]

>>15667662
As of right now:
Films>Literature>Video games

For ultimate potential:
Video games>Films>Literature

[Anonymous No.15667704]

>>15667658
true! forget about poetry, novels, etc.
just write scripts

[Anonymous No.15667754]

>>15667658
>>15667662
>>15667681
Literature>>>>>>>>>>film>>>>>OMG LE EPIC VIDYA IS ART(it isn't)HONEY CAN YOU PLEASE STOP FUCKING TYRONE I CANT HEAR MUH OST

[Anonymous No.15667763]

>>15667754
>Vidya lacks any sense of artistic integrit-

[Anonymous No.15667778]

>>15667763
Yeah it does and I'm not watching your gay "art".

[Anonymous No.15667811]

>>15667754
Seething

[Anonymous No.15667813]

It seems wrong to compared the two art forms. They trigger different sensations in me. Watching a great movie has never made me feel the same way reading a great poem does, and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.15667817]

>>15667658
This makes zero sense.

[Anonymous No.15667913]

>>15667658
Why are Tarkovsky and Kubrick teens so insufferable?

[Anonymous No.15667958]

>>15667662
looks like shit?

[Anonymous No.15667986]

>>15667754
based and /thread

[Anonymous No.15668567]

>>15667658
Jesus christ that's my desktop wallpaper

[Anonymous No.15668618]

dont want to get into polemics. I think books are the easiest way to create a maximally curated and specific experience. Vidya is the hardest to develop a specific experience, and Movies is the sweet inbetween. I think its all about the control the artist has to convay their vision. In a book, an author can curaite every indivigual word to neigh onperfection if they want to make a masterpiece. A film artists has much more variablility, but much more to work with, with visuals and audio, so their "perfection" is harder to reach towards due to the various factors. Vidya has even more factors so it has an even wider breadth of tools to make their vision, but again even more variability in audience retention aand absorbtion. The "Perfectability" is expenential from liturature to vidya. a hypothetical perfect book is easier to create than a video game. however, the form of perfection in vidia has a wider breadth of actuality than a book. and Film comes in between. A more perfect book film or vidya isnt necissarily better than one another, just like a game of go is not better than chess, even though the former has more verity and complexity than the latter.

[Anonymous No.15668640]

>>15667681
Literature > Videogames > Movies

Literature: you need to be 100% active to receive it. Beside interpreting, you literally have to project images, scenes, characters, feeling in your head, with the only support of text. In terms of the space it leaves for your own thought, interpretation, and personal insights, it is the most interactive media.

Videogame: you have some control on the game experience and are partly interactive. You do not project and imagine environments, characters and feelings, but you do have space in creating the experience you are in. This space is limited into the patterns of the game program in both narrative and visual, thus it is more limited than in literature, where the text only limits your space in narrative terms (although, usually, more flexibly than a videogame would).

Film: your only space is interpretation (of the movie's themes and visual features). You do not actively produce any of the features you interpret, as you do in literature through mental imagining and in game through actively participating in the game. You sit, you receive fixed material, you think about it. In terms of space for your own activity, what you have with a movie is minimal. Movies are effective instruments of propaganda (more than a videogame or a book would ever be), because your space of manipulation of the original material is extremely limited and you are inactive towards the medium. You are fed aesthetic qualities rather than experiencing them through your own participation in them.

[Anonymous No.15668648]

>>15667662
bloodborne is good but seriously come up with a new one

[Anonymous No.15668651]

>>15668648
HE CANT

[Anonymous No.15668652]

>>15667658
No, other way round. Writing = total control, film = total passivity

[Anonymous No.15668667]

>>15667763
more like autistic integrity in video games lmao

[Anonymous No.15668677]

personally would put oil paintings up there.

[Anonymous No.15668682]

>>15668648
I'm not big into videogames, but ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, MGS V and Death Stranding qualify as pieces of art, in my opinion. Ueda, Miyazaki and Kojima have created original game designs with unique visuals and narrative you experience mostly through games without abusing narrative means from other medias (cutscenes, text, ecc.). I think that's what "videogame as art" should be.

[Anonymous No.15668683]

>>15667662
>not realizing that the material media of video games preclude it from ever being art, as no one is going to have the hardware to play whatever artful video games there are now in a century, thus precluding video game players from attaining the wirkungsgeschichtliches Bewußtsein characterizing the artwork
lul.

[Anonymous No.15668700]

>>15668683
Wrong. Stop playing AAA games, moron

[Anonymous No.15668704]

>>15667658
>>15667662
Tetris > Dostoyevski

[Anonymous No.15668725]

Video games are elaborate slot machines designed to fleece young males of their discretionary income

[Anonymous No.15668867]

>>15667662
Christ man, at least use MGS2.

[Anonymous No.15670266]

>>15667658
tarkovsky was a hack

[Anonymous No.15670277]

there's nothing more consumerist than sitting down and watching a motion picture. literature requires the will AND intellect. a monkey can watch a film

[Anonymous No.15670306]

>>15667754
This. Just go to /v/ and /tv/ if your brain isn't strong enough.

[Anonymous No.15670329]

Becoming a great filmakers require higher talent and IQ than becoming great novelist. Many great novelists are just professional bullshitters.

[Anonymous No.15670356]

“Boris Pasternak also wrote (loc. cit., p. 5): “Man himself is mute, and it is the image that speaks. For it is obvious that the image alone can keep pace with nature.”

does this mean film is the more poetic medium

[Anonymous No.15670369]

>>15668700
even AAA games from like 2 decades ago are easily playable on any potato PC

[Anonymous No.15670387]

>>15667658
You niggers needs to stop pretending you can fathom the complexity of one medium, let alone make shit analogies across others. All it shows is that you care more about taste than the content of what you engage with, effectively making you the same type of pleb you so desperately want to condescend. I know this thread is probably bait (I think there’s one summerfag from /film/ who keeps spamming these) but, c’mon, you don’t read: you really expect me to believe you have interesting thoughts about Tarkovsky?

[Anonymous No.15670616]

>>15667658
>tarkovsky
is there a faster way to out yourself out as a pseud?

[Anonymous No.15670643]

>>15667658
Jew cope.

[Anonymous No.15671086]

>>15670356
Not necessarily. Pasternak is rather arguing it is through the imagaic qualities of the written word that thought can be truly expressed. The statement that "man is mute" would inherently reduce the power of any creative medium if read incorrectly; i.e. it asserts that it is through art itself that truth can be expressed as a prosthesis of man's flawed abilities.

[Anonymous No.15671126]

>>15668640
Wait until this guy hears about music.

[Anonymous No.15671161]

>>15668640
This is a rather superficial argument because then I could say nothing, nothingness, is the best art because then I can create every single detail and feeling of the story out of myself without it getting in my way.

[Anonymous No.15671226]

>>15671161
it's called meditation and it gives you direct transcendence, which is the purpose of all art

[Anonymous No.15671269]

film can do anything literature can do and more so in its nature its better, just show a black screen and have a voice over for 3 hours if you really want. literature has been much better realised as an art form though

[Anonymous No.15671280]

>>15671269
Realize a shotgun in your mouth

[Anonymous No.15671286]

>>15667754
Madpilled

[Anonymous No.15671331]

>>15671280
so utterly defenseless he has to resort to this

[Anonymous No.15671375]

meme qoute but 'the obstacle is the way'. The hurdles that have to be overcome in the material world to achieve the same kind of transcendence we have through years of refinement and much more comparative simplicity in music and literature has nowhere near been reached, and was so poor at first film wasn't even noticed as high art for a good half a century. It will eventually overtake both music and literature as single mediums in time though. Film is also the plot, written dialogue, score, set design, costume. It's like the final form of ballet and opera

[Anonymous No.15671389]

>>15671269
Literature had thousands of years

[Anonymous No.15671391]

>>15671331
End ur life m8

[Anonymous No.15671396]

though more likely due to technology mediums will evolve and outpace film before we get there. Completely unironically video game VR worlds will be a higher art form than anything so far

[Anonymous No.15671414]

>>15671086
Cool, thanks for explaining

[Anonymous No.15671418]

>>15671396
Many if not most people will prefer to stay passive consumers so films will grow next to video games

[Anonymous No.15671459]

>>15671418
that's a good point, it will probably become a 360 experience though moving away from the screen

[Anonymous No.15671533]

I do sometimes watch movies but they are just quick entertainment, a visual fix, nothing comes even close to literature for engaging the brain, literature and reading matters, it brings experience and passes down knowledge of other intelligent and accomplished people who may have lived before me (assuming one reads good literature) , films do not. Video games are computer programs where after completing some task the player is rewarded with a cutscene and few lines of dialogue (or in case of mgs, a lot of cutscenes and tons of dialogue, but most of which is low quality)

[Anonymous No.15671568]

>>15671533
what are your favorite movies?

>it brings experience and passes down knowledge of other intelligent and accomplished people who may have lived before me (assuming one reads good literature) , films do not.

Why films can't do this tho

[Anonymous No.15671592]

>>15668682
>games without abusing narrative means from other medias (cutscenes, text
Kojima is one of the biggest offenders of this. If you're looking for good stealth vidya that actually conveys the experience solely through interaction, you need to look towards Thief I/II.

[Anonymous No.15671599]

>>15667658
neither part of your post is true

[Anonymous No.15671602]

>>15668648
>>15668651
KILLER7

[Anonymous No.15671615]

>>15671602

[Anonymous No.15671621]

Film is a joke desu
Animated pictures offer way more

[Anonymous No.15671631]

>>15671621
>Film is a joke desu
Weak bait.

[Anonymous No.15671641]

>>15671631
It really isn't. All that needs to be said is said

[Anonymous No.15671649]

>>15671641
It really is.

[Anonymous No.15671660]

>>15671592
Rejecting all linear narratives is very 2010 level critique. It's a decade later now, we all see that games are syncretions of media, forming new emergent wholes of interaction out of all kinds of elements. Stop the cutschenephobia. Kojima is a radiant genius.

[Anonymous No.15671672]

>>15668618

What vidyas would you put up there. For myself:

>Homeworld
>Alpha Centauri
>Sundered

[Anonymous No.15671684]

>>15671672
Rain World and Outer Wilds.

[Anonymous No.15671705]

>>15668682
>Favors ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, MGS V, Death Stranding

Pal, i bet you'd like playing Pathologic 2. Or the other game of Ice-Pick Lodge - The Void.

[Anonymous No.15671715]

>>15671660
Cutscenes are fine. Solely conveying everything through cutscenes, which is what Kojima does, goes against the entire point of the medium. Not to mention that MGS' gameplay is very shallow compared to other stealth series.
MGS is the Harry Potter of vidya.

[Anonymous No.15671716]

>>15668618
It's a mistake to treat any of these media as forms that works just exist in, perfectly curated in and of themselves in the case of say books but not games. Books are interactive as well as games are, books are also interactive systems. No work of art is isolated from the viewer, there is always a participatory element

[Anonymous No.15671722]

>>15668567
>JESUS CHRIST THAT'S MY WALLPAPER HOLY SHIT!!!!
who the fuck cares shut your hole you fucking pseud

[Anonymous No.15671733]

>>15671716
How are you defining 'interactive' here? I think when people use that word in reference to video games, they're saying that the entire medium is contingent on literal interaction.

[Anonymous No.15671749]

>>15671715
Not the guy you are arguing with, but what are some more in depth stealth games besides the their series? Dishonored was alright, and I liked Styx a decent amount.

[Anonymous No.15671769]

>>15671715
>Solely conveying everything through cutscenes, which is what Kojima does
Just false, a casual overstatement revealing you havent thought this through

[Anonymous No.15671786]

>>15671602
Damn, I loved NMH. Tried to get into Killer 7, but it was way too painfull to deal with. Also Flower, Sun, and Rain was real pain in the ass. How do i play games like that? I mean i love the badass aestetics, drive and Suda 51's special touch, but i just can't make myself get through the shitty gameplay.

[Anonymous No.15671789]

>>15671749
Thief, Hitman, Splinter Cell, Commandos, Dishonored.
There are non-stealth games that even have more in depth stealth mechanics than MGS.

[Anonymous No.15671798]

>>15671733
The book itself is a collection of pages and words maybe divided up in so many ways, and it seems static and inert. But the book is experienced only in an interactive process whereby a reader with some mental model of the book engages with it in some way, perceives feedback, and updates his mental model. This interplay between the subject and object is the experience of reading and is the experience the author attempts to shape through his half of things, the object. It is the same way with games

[Anonymous No.15671811]

>>15671568
I generally like scifi, older alien movies, and older movies in general, new stuff is just too pozzed.
But the only movie that made and impression on me is the Fountain, it's scifi (kind of), I don't think there is much substance behind the story but it was just different enough to surprise me.


>>15671568
>Why films can't do this tho
Documentaries do.
I remember watching old national geographic as a kid, those older series especially about oceans and sea life, with comfy narrator voice was a work of art as well as educational.

[Anonymous No.15671816]

>>15671722
Based.

[Anonymous No.15671822]

>>15671811
Try Stalker.

[Anonymous No.15671877]

>>15671533
>films do not
can't fit a square peg in a round hole, you don't have the intellectual or spiritual capacity to learn from films if you haven't, because I definitely have

[Anonymous No.15671930]

>>15671811
The Red Shoes
The Fallen Idol

cinema peaked in 1940s England

[Anonymous No.15671952]

>>15671930
>cinema peaked in 1940s England
Explain this, then.

[Anonymous No.15672040]

>>15671952
anything released since the end of New Hollywood has way too much contemporary relevance attached to see how shit it is in the grand scheme of things. this bored me into turning it off after 20 mins and I watch silent cinema

[Anonymous No.15672107]

>>15671952
If the movie is anything like the poster then it's 100% jewish production, the name itself,parasite, is degenerate, there is no value in this movie.

[Anonymous No.15672122]

>>15672107
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.15672164]

>>15667754
lel

[Anonymous No.15672192]

>>15667658
Don't think this is true. Anyone can write a book but you need money to make a movie. Also watching a movie is a much more passive experience than reading a book so I would say movies are for consumers

[Anonymous No.15672195]

>>15671930
>believing that England has ever had anything to do with kino, let alone its peak
kill yourself you ignorant pleb

[Anonymous No.15672200]

>>15667658
ya

[Anonymous No.15672237]

>>15672195
Filtered.

[Anonymous No.15672240]

>>15672195
David Lean
The Archers
Carol Reed

you're the ignorant pleb. The aesthetic peak of cinema was refined and defined in pre war France and England

[Anonymous No.15672277]

Jean Renoir, the father of this style, was the son of another Renoir of a much longer aesthetic tradition, and his father was so knowledgeable and schooled in aesthetics that it rubbed off on his son into a distillation of the highest beauty the form has seen

[Anonymous No.15672429]

Film can't compete with a book. No discussion.

There has never been a good book that could be made into a better film.

[Anonymous No.15672440]

>>15672277
Renoir is OK though. Nothing special. Bresson is way superior.

[Anonymous No.15672463]

>>15672440
depends on your taste obviously, but Renoir more or less created the language of modern cinema moving from the silent to sound eras

[Anonymous No.15672504]

>>15672429
I agree, but not for that reason, adaptations are always bad whether it be from film to book or book to film.

[Anonymous No.15672535]

>>15672429
The movie No Country for Old Men BTFO the book.

[Anonymous No.15672548]

>>15672107
>Korean movie
>its da joos!
Kys

[Anonymous No.15672732]

>>15671822
The game is better.

[Anonymous No.15672743]

>>15667662
There are very few good games with good graphics

[Anonymous No.15672804]

>>15672743
Art direction is more important than graphical fidelity.

[Anonymous No.15672813]

>>15671952
terrible movie, no wonder marxist brainlets like it.

[Anonymous No.15672836]

Recommend me your favorite movies and games. I have been trying to branch out

[Anonymous No.15672852]

>>15672813
You haven't even seen it.

[Anonymous No.15672889]

>>15672548
Jewish in spirit.

[Anonymous No.15672906]

>>15672889
How?

[Anonymous No.15673122]

>>15667662
Based. This is the era for videogames to express their maximum artistic vision.

[Anonymous No.15673202]

>>15672906
Because I am a poltard and anything I dislike is jewish as it allows me to hide my personal failings and inability to express myself

[Anonymous No.15673238]

>>15671952
It's not a shitty film, but it is mediocre and incredibly superficial. Joon-ho's politics lack nuance and it really shows in all of his films. LE EPIC SURPRISE ENDING is terrible. There are vastly superior films that also discuss class warfare/consciousness. On the top of my head: Freaks, Shoplifters, They Live, Videodrome, Day of the Dead, Metropolis, Los Olvidados, and Battleship Potemkin.

[Anonymous No.15673320]

>>15672463
That's historically inaccurate

[Anonymous No.15673384]

>>15673320
You're wrong

valuable and useful posts hey

[Anonymous No.15673418]

>>15673320
tell me which director straddled the silent and sound transition with as great a reach and subsequent influence

[Anonymous No.15673420]

>>15671716
I think it works well as an abstract categorization. I concider participation as part of the experience and a part of a curated effort. Even in a game with more obvious player imput, there are set boundries in control and world that curate the experience. I believe participation being a subset of curation.

[Anonymous No.15673424]

>>15667658
Other way round

[Anonymous No.15673508]

>>15667658
>peak medium for creators
>have to deal with actors miscommunicating your words to the audience
>have to deal with studios obstructing your vision
>Ridiculously difficult to fund so you're gonna have to compromise your vision to appease producers
Definitely not peak for creators.

[Anonymous No.15674016]

>>15671952
This film isn't even the years best, or even the directors best.
Lighthouse was better, Memories of Murder being his best

[Anonymous No.15674092]

Pretty wrong considering the amount of money videogames generate is WAAAAYYYYYY more than the film industry. Thus, consumers prefer vidya to film.

[Anonymous No.15674111]

>>15671649
>dude camera angles
>this is it, ultimate creation
film buffs are cotton candy eating retards

[Anonymous No.15674112]

>>15674092
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

[Anonymous No.15674124]

>>15674111
Film buffs are the highest IQ breed of media enthusiasts.

[Anonymous No.15674202]

Anyone who thinks that video GAMES are art should be publicly shot. And anyone protesting that execution should be publicly shot as well. And so on and so forth

[Anonymous No.15674318]

I spent a lot of time playing vidya and while I'm thankful for some experiences I've had, I'd trade all that time for a more substantial literary education or just a thorough knowledge of Ancient Greek. Video games are evocative experiences, but it was all owing to their visual underdevelopment in my formative period (20 years ago) when this had an unintended artistic effect. Today it's just boring normalfag realism and blur.

[Anonymous No.15674326]

>>15674202
>Vidya is in no way, shape, or form an artfor-

[Anonymous No.15674347]

>>15674318
>Realize all those thousands of hours I spent could've been spent reading philosophy

[Anonymous No.15674379]

>>15667658
What?
You can literally just type on a computer and submit your work, then they require multiple days for people to actually read them. Films, even indie films, require literally millions of dollars of funding and the collaboration of hundreds of other artists in specialized fields, and then it takes 90-180 minutes to watch them.
It's the complete opposite of what you said, literature is ideal for creators and film is ideal for consumers.

[Anonymous No.15674383]

>>15674347
I'm still glad I experienced some of the stuff, like SotC, Deus Ex, God Hand, STALKER, VtMB etc. The industry has died with the advent of social media, perhaps I'd have a different outlook otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15674475]

>>15671811
>His favorite film is by Aronofsky
Watch better movies

[Anonymous No.15674486]

>>15674475
Such as?

[Anonymous No.15674492]

>>15674347
the thosands of hours would amount to a year at max. you can still make up for it. 1 month = 700h

[Anonymous No.15674494]

>>15667763
>grimdark with cool swords and vaguely lovecraftian horseshit
fuck you

[Anonymous No.15674497]

>>15674326
is this from that tales of game? yikes, the plot, the game are bad

[Anonymous No.15674500]

>>15674486
World on a wire. Good classic sci-fi directed by Fassbinder.

[Anonymous No.15674507]

>>15674326
Art is more than a pretty picture or a pretty cutscene. You blithering retards want games to be everything, you're always trying to prove yourselves as having the supreme hobby. Fucking Risk and Monopoly players aren't being annoying asses claiming that turn 7 was literal art, why do you insist on claiming GAMES to be first sports, now art, what's next, a fucking life calling? Are you playing your games? Yes? Then fuck off, keep playing them, have fun but don't ever fucking think that they're anything more than fucking games.

[Anonymous No.15674509]

>>15670616
Tarkovsky is both entry and exit level

[Anonymous No.15674526]

>>15674509
Stalker is entry level; Andrei Rublev is exit level.

[Anonymous No.15674537]

>The Dunning–Kruger effect: the thread
Atleast learn from a master why cinema is retrograde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BluXxpF3OP4

[Anonymous No.15674544]

>>15674507
Based.

[Anonymous No.15674558]

>>15674500
This actually sounds pretty neat.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.15674565]

>>15667763
-y.
Why do I always have to complete your sentences for you? Probably didn't even play Demon's Souls, babby bitch.

[Anonymous No.15674604]

>>15667681
Maybe if they stop putting gameplay at the bottom of priorities

[Anonymous No.15674613]

>>15674604
Blame MGS and FF for that.

[Anonymous No.15674632]

>>15672548
based

[Anonymous No.15674643]

[Anonymous No.15674664]

>>15674379
This

[Anonymous No.15674666]

>>15674326
Some games are art, idk about BloodBorne though.

[Anonymous No.15674679]

>>15667658
I come to /lit/ to escape this /tv/ shit. film is ridiculously simple, and childish. literature is the real thing. the greatest films are 1/100th the great novels. keep this kiddie shit on /v/ mmkay.

[Anonymous No.15674712]

>>15674679
This.

[Anonymous No.15674812]

anyone know where to watch all the Tarkovsky in the US?

he has an archive online that says they are all free to watch, but links dont work in US...

[Anonymous No.15674823]

>>15674643
shit movie

[Anonymous No.15674828]

>>15673418
who ever comes after fritz lang - metropolis is the perfect transition between still and motion

[Anonymous No.15674833]

>>15674679
The only one that's childish is you. Read up on film theory and watch actual cinema and not whatever netflix-tier trash you associate with film

[Anonymous No.15674847]

>>15674812
Unironically iTunes.

[Anonymous No.15674853]

>>15674812
Criterion Channel

[Anonymous No.15674855]

>>15674847
really?
i gave up on itunes years ago

[Anonymous No.15674859]

>>15672535
I haven't read the book. It's probably not good anyway.

Tell me the greatest Shakespeare adaptation or a Moby Dick screenplay that has the same artistic merit as the book.

>>15674537
Who the FUCK is Peter Greenaway?

[Anonymous No.15674865]

>>15674643
garbage shallow war = bad film

[Anonymous No.15674866]

>>15674859
>Who the FUCK is Peter Greenaway?
The greatest living director currently. Learn about film before you dismiss it

[Anonymous No.15674871]

>Criterion Channel

[Anonymous No.15674876]

>>15674871
Yes, they have all of Tarkovskys film on there. I don't know why this is a meme

[Anonymous No.15674880]

>>15674866
>The greatest living director currently.
You called?

[Anonymous No.15674887]

>>15674880
PTA hasn't made a good movie since Punch Drunk Love

[Anonymous No.15674891]

>>15674859
>Who the FUCK is Peter Greenaway?

[Anonymous No.15674892]

>>15674866
KEK
You probably wear a fedora to bed don't you...you fucking egotist

[Anonymous No.15674897]

>>15674876
but you need a subscription when the Tarkovsky is offered free by tarkovsky . ..

but yeah very cool channel

[Anonymous No.15674902]

>>15674892
>You probably wear a fedora to bed don't you

[Anonymous No.15674908]

>>15674892
shut up underage hivemind poster
if you cant hang because youre mentally deficient fuck off

[Anonymous No.15674910]

>>15674892
Do you? I don't criticize a medium I know fucking nothing about

[Anonymous No.15674915]

>>15674887
>What is There Will Be Blood and The Master

[Anonymous No.15674919]

>>15674915
Bad movies

[Anonymous No.15674922]

>>15674908
salty cunt

name 1 film of Peter Whothefuckaway that features in a top 100 list of any fucking list EVER

[Anonymous No.15674932]

>>15674922
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover

[Anonymous No.15674949]

>>15674922
The Draughtsman’s Contract is in the BFI top 100 British films

[Anonymous No.15674966]

>>15674922
oh my god
you need some list?

ill give you a list:
fuck yourself
>profit?

[Anonymous No.15674973]

>Who the FUCK is Peter Greenaway?

classic

[Anonymous No.15674980]

Don't mind me, just posting the greatest achievement in film of the century.

[Anonymous No.15674993]

>>15674537
iirc Vilmos Zsigmond is part a of some documentary from about 10 years ago and makes a similar statement about art school

[Anonymous No.15675002]

>>15674980
why dont you got post on the underage board

>Who the FUCK is Peter Greenaway?
thats the password to get in

[Anonymous No.15675011]

>>15675002
>Quoting your own post
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15675041]

>>15675002
Kek

[Anonymous No.15675129]

>>15675011
>Cringe
that gets you into the secret tendeis snack room
very very secret sshhhh

[Anonymous No.15675181]

>>15674507
individually, Tetris etc has more value than all movies combined

[Anonymous No.15675206]

>>15675181
Epic bait

[Anonymous No.15675208]

>>15674537
>The master
>An artfag

[Anonymous No.15675222]

>>15675206

[Anonymous No.15675226]

>>15675206
it (tetris) really does
film is a joke to the discerning mind

[Anonymous No.15675234]

>>15675226
>The discerning mind
Lmao

[Anonymous No.15675236]

>>15675226
Explain this, then.

[Anonymous No.15675240]

>>15675234
Refer to
>>15675222

[Anonymous No.15675244]

>>15675240
I wasn't making an argument. I was just making fun of you

[Anonymous No.15675256]

>>15675208
yes, hes an excellent and knowledgeable artist
which part of that makes your micropeen shink?

[Anonymous No.15675270]

>>15675236
>7 hours
>Only has 100 shots
What did Tarr mean by this?

[Anonymous No.15675277]

>>15675270
He mean that it wasn't for /v/ zoomers.

[Anonymous No.15675299]

>>15675244
gj smearing shit on yourself and not addressing the point, it's really admirable

[Anonymous No.15675316]

>>15675299
You're point is ridiculous. Yeah, I think they're movies that have more worth than Tetris. They're games with more worth than Tetris.

[Anonymous No.15675331]

>>15675316
You're a retard then. Not to say Tetris is the most valuable, but it alone has more value than all movies combined

[Anonymous No.15675351]

>>15674828
yeah fair enough Fritz Lang is also a good shout

[Anonymous No.15675353]

>>15675331
Explain this, then.

[Anonymous No.15675361]

>>15675331
It isn't

[Anonymous No.15675362]

>>15671269
Pleb detected.
Film can't do instrospection and abstraction. It's a medium of answers.

[Anonymous No.15675367]

>>15675353
you still haven't addressed my point

[Anonymous No.15675373]

>>15675362
>Film can't do instrospection and abstraction
Watch more movies before you make such a retarded claim

[Anonymous No.15675376]

>>15667813
This

[Anonymous No.15675381]

>>15667658
No. Different media are tools for different purposes. Films are good at telling different types of stories than books. There's some overlap certainly, but usually the book a film is based on _actually is_ better than the movie.

I haven't head that about novellizations of films, though. Might be because of their narrower reach, but might illustrate my main point instead.

[Anonymous No.15675382]

>>15667813
This

[Anonymous No.15675389]

>>15672535
>The movie No Country for Old Men BTFO the book.
Not really. The book is slightly superior.

[Anonymous No.15675398]

>>15675373
It can't. Filmmakers have made this claim hundreds of times. It's not even my own claim.

[Anonymous No.15675400]

Has any film ever come close to pic related?

[Anonymous No.15675403]

>>15675389
Unironically this.

[Anonymous No.15675406]

>>15675398
Ambiguity won't save your retarded claim.
>Filmmakers said this. I won't proof it but they did

[Anonymous No.15675411]

>>15675400
Yes

[Anonymous No.15675423]

>>15675411
>Based off of a book
Not helping your case here.

[Anonymous No.15675430]

reeks of underage summer plebs cringing in here cuz they cant dilate and dont know what based means

[Anonymous No.15675444]

>>15675423

[Anonymous No.15675452]

>>15675444
nice poster

[Anonymous No.15675462]

>>15675430
You need to be 18+ to post here.

[Anonymous No.15675473]

>>15675462
how did you get in then?
did you use the passsword?

[Anonymous No.15675483]

>>15675256
the fact that he is a pseudoartist who produces bombastic boring pieces of trash and reveres postmodern anti-art like Pollack and Stockhausen.

[Anonymous No.15675493]

>>15675406
Compare the Lolita movies with the book. Humbert is barely a sketch, a mere caricature in each of them while in the book, thanks to his introspection, literary prose narration and details we can get a full map of his version of the story. Lolita is also the one movie Kubrick regretted doing and even his wife said it's the only adaptation where he didn't surpass the source material. From that point onward he learned to never adapt truly great books because most can't be successfully adapted into film. Film is limited by physical, economic and material aspects. Literature is just something else, it's beyond mere material things.

[Anonymous No.15675497]

>>15675483
>reveres postmodern anti-art like Pollack and Stockhausen
Based. Pollack is a better artist than you will ever be

[Anonymous No.15675500]

>>15675497
That's a compliment coming from someone with such bad taste.

[Anonymous No.15675501]

>>15675483
>pseudoartist
what does that mean?

[Anonymous No.15675504]

>>15675493
The lolita movie might be inferior because Kubrick threw out the script written by Nabokov, and the fact that he's a bad director.

[Anonymous No.15675506]

>>15675483
This.

[Anonymous No.15675511]

>>15675501
It means that the anon doesn't understand what he's talking about

[Anonymous No.15675517]

>>15675504
>and the fact that he's a bad director.
Here's your (You).

[Anonymous No.15675524]

>>15675483
kek he spend years of his life studying classical paintings and making work based on them

you are just fucking sad and ignorant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plWSGEAuD_0

[Anonymous No.15675530]

>>15675517
the perfect film.
film students hate it because they won't ever surpass it.

[Anonymous No.15675531]

Literature has the best narrative since it can do introspection without destroying immersion. Surrealism is the best genre of literature since it takes the quintessential advantage of literature and pushes it to the extreme.

[Anonymous No.15675539]

>>15675524
Yes, he made work literally ripped from the classic artists because he couldn't make anything of value himself. Everytime he tries to do that it ends up a shitty laughing stock. I think the one promoting an anti-artist as an artist is a bit more ignorant than me.

[Anonymous No.15675547]

>>15675504
If Kubrick rewrote it, there must have been a solid reason. Much of what Humbert narrates in the novel is not action but descriptions, thoughts, introspection, etc. And film is a medium of answers so that makes it quite incompatible with a novel like Lolita. I don't think the screenplay is the issue, the issue is the form and the medium. Every Lolita movie is doomed to fail as an adaptation, and the source material will always be inevitably superior.

[Anonymous No.15675548]

>Yes, he made work literally ripped from the classic artists
Based. That's what all great artists do.

[Anonymous No.15675550]

>>15675531
What are some good surrealist novels?

[Anonymous No.15675561]

>>15675547
>If Kubrick rewrote it, there must have been a solid reason
He didn't. He's just a narcissist who dismisses the original creators for creative control.
>the novel is not action but descriptions, thoughts, introspection, etc
And a better director can articulate that using film. Watch Sunrise

[Anonymous No.15675566]

>>15675548
Good artists borrow, great ones steal.

[Anonymous No.15675575]

>>15675501
Think abstract expressionism. Think atonal music. Think shit-cans and urinals. Think of a woman randomly spilling her fluids onto a canvas.

[Anonymous No.15675587]

>>15675575
>Getting filtered by atonal music

[Anonymous No.15675588]

>>15675575
>abstract expressionism
>bad
It's the evolution of the painting by necessity. The camera destroyed art so painters had to adapt

[Anonymous No.15675606]

>>15675561
The screenplay was probably not fit for film or it was mediocre. And he didn't dismiss Nabokov, they co-wrote the screenplay. Either way, not sure why you have such a hate boner for Kubrick.

Is Sunrise the Linklater film? I haven't watched his trilogy but judging from his other films I don't think he's better than Kubrick, in fact, he's quite mediocre.

[Anonymous No.15675610]

>>15675548
No, great artists make works of their own. The very fact that one is great means that they do not need to copy and paste. They create totally original scenarios. Only techniques are handed down, and then mastered so they can be applied to art, not the art itself. Only children who can't draw actually copy the art itself, tracing other pictures and such with a thin sheet and a pencil, or sampling like the vaporwave pseudoartists, or copying and pasting videos from archives like the pseudoartist that is the topic of discussion.

[Anonymous No.15675618]

>>15675588
>It's the evolution of the painting by necessity
it was funded by the CIA son

[Anonymous No.15675619]

>>15675575
But Greenaway has made proper films and is not at all this pseudoartist that you're painting.

[Anonymous No.15675625]

>>15675618
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.15675626]

>>15675587
Thank god I got filtered by it. The filter was my taste, and it stopped me from hobnobbing around with retarded pseudointellectual artfags like yourself.

[Anonymous No.15675632]

>>15675625
first google result if it's that hard for you
independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
not to say modernism is all bad, but the particular branch of modernist art that was 50s NYC abstract expressionism was complete cold war propaganda pseudo art

[Anonymous No.15675640]

>>15675625
Not that retarded faggot but this video explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGDDh1thaQ

[Anonymous No.15675648]

>>15675619
You are right. He has. But much of his work is infected, and that is the disgusting malignant tumor that I am focusing on.

[Anonymous No.15675649]

Are people in this thread memeing or does this board actually hate all mediums that aren't literature?

[Anonymous No.15675654]

>>15675606
Learn more about the original screenplay Nabokov wrote for the movie. Those who read it described it as the best they ever read, but it was also impossible
>the Linklater film
No, the silent movie made by Murnau. Why would I recommend a hack like Linklater?

[Anonymous No.15675659]

>>15675625
http://mileswmathis.com/stoner.pdf

[Anonymous No.15675664]

>>15675649
people ignorant

[Anonymous No.15675667]

>>15675618
Based glow-in-the-darks then

[Anonymous No.15675678]

>>15675649
People dismiss film because the only movies they've seen are oscar bait or Netflix trash. They haven't dipped their toes in what films can do

[Anonymous No.15675688]

Whoever brought up Greenaway is based and everyone needs to watch the draughtman's contract

[Anonymous No.15675723]

>>15675688
And everyone needs to watch The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover*

[Anonymous No.15675727]

>Andrei Rublev
>8 1/2
>Werckmeister Harmonies
>The Hypothesis of the Stolen Painting
>Nostos: The Return
are the only films which I thought were as close to /lit/ as possible while still being uniquely cinema

[Anonymous No.15675746]

>>15675727
>Werckmeister Harmonies
Well, this one is an adaptation of The Melancholy of Resistance, so it sort of is /lit/.

[Anonymous No.15675755]

>>15675723
that one is widely known, I was giving them the patrician rec that's just as good (even better in my opinion)

[Anonymous No.15675756]

>>15675746
Have you read Melancholy of Resistance? It pales in comparison to Tarr's version

[Anonymous No.15675761]

>>15675746
true and nostos is an adaption of the odyssey, yet adaptions don't always guarantee success between the two mediums

[Anonymous No.15675768]

>>15675756
>Have you read Melancholy of Resistance?
I have.

[Anonymous No.15675771]

>>15675654
>Learn more about the original screenplay Nabokov wrote for the movie. Those who read it described it as the best they ever read, but it was also impossible
You mean the very fist 400-page draft, or pic related?
>No, the silent movie made by Murnau. Why would I recommend a hack like Linklater?
I know lol for some reason it didn't make sense to me that you would mention Linklater but I thought "oh well..." Either way thanks for the rec, lad.

[Anonymous No.15675778]

>>15675756
Ergh, I disagree. The film is just a superficial reading of the novel. The novel is fully fleshed and has more meat, so to speak.

[Anonymous No.15675798]

>>15675771
Hopefully you'll check out Sunrise in spite of my obnoxious attitude. It's a good movie and I think it communicates what you were saying about Lolita better than Kubrick adaptation.

[Anonymous No.15675807]

>>15675778
That's why I like Werckmeister more. It removes the excess and makes it pure catharsis

[Anonymous No.15675812]

Baby of Macon was a failure as a film and pretentious but somehow worth watching

[Anonymous No.15675817]

>>15675812
>failure as a film and pretentious but somehow worth watching
What other movies fit this description?

[Anonymous No.15675820]

>>15675817
Southland Tales

[Anonymous No.15675822]

>>15675820
Perfect answer.

[Anonymous No.15675834]

>>15675817
I would say Freddy got fingered. Except that it's a failure on purpose and pure anarchistic cinema. A movie that's apathetic to the audience

[Anonymous No.15675843]

>>15675834
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Tom Green

[Anonymous No.15675845]

Test

[Anonymous No.15675848]

>>15675817
>failure as a film and pretentious but somehow worth watching
Every Denis Villeneuve movie.

[Anonymous No.15675860]

>>15675798
No problem, mate, I will definitely check it out.

[Anonymous No.15675884]

>>15671226
but meditation is not a fucking art,
retard

[Anonymous No.15675901]

>>15675884
Tell that to Buddha.

[Anonymous No.15675961]

>>15671226
fuck you and your ignorant demand that art be utilitarian

[Anonymous No.15676088]

>>15667658
is Dwarf Fortress the most /lit/ video game?

[Anonymous No.15676117]

>>15676088
No, Planescape: Torment is.

[Anonymous No.15676138]

>>15670329
pffft prove it

[Anonymous No.15676157]

>>15676138
Lynch's filmography.

[Anonymous No.15676208]

>>15672429
Low IQ take and zero experience with cinema detected. A great filmmaker will make a great novel greater

[Anonymous No.15676216]

>>15673508
It's the hardest that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.15676224]

>>15670329
Filmmaker as in director? Not really. Some don't even write the screenplay nor do the cinematogrophy. Directors are vastly overrated.

[Anonymous No.15676231]

>>15676208
Name 10 examples.

[Anonymous No.15676242]

In films you've more to appreciate, Only pseuds dismiss it, As a medium it can do anything that literature can and more

[Anonymous No.15676250]

>>15674932
kino

[Anonymous No.15676274]

>>15676242
It can't do Moby Dick.

[Anonymous No.15676293]

>>15676242
>As a medium it can do anything that literature can and more

[Anonymous No.15676315]

>>15675550
look up the lit surrealist novels chart

[Anonymous No.15676323]

>>15676231
Satantango
No country for old man
Woman in the dunes
Stalker
The Godfather
Fight club
Dr strangelove
Werckmeister Harmonies
The Silence of the Lambs
Children of Men
The Shining
Under the skin
The diving bell and the butterfly

Maybe Solaris, A Clockwork Orange and Persepolis

Probably a lot more i forgot.

[Anonymous No.15676350]

>>15675649
It's typical pseud mindset

[Anonymous No.15676381]

>>15676224
As both screenwriter and director

[Anonymous No.15676386]

>>15676323

[Anonymous No.15676429]

Why do people like to eat wormies so much? Is it the act of being jerked off that is so appealing hmm

[Anonymous No.15676436]

Movies are so fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.15676440]

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15676465]

Shovel those wormies down mama doesn't wanna think

[Anonymous No.15676475]

>>15676436
Nice bait.

[Anonymous No.15676482]

If you couldn't tell film is PEAK consumption
Nothing must harm our precious little cattle

[Anonymous No.15676545]

>>15676482
The novel is peak consumption. Everything I don't like is peak consumption

[Anonymous No.15676588]

>>15676545
>Everything I don't like is peak consumption
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.15676644]

>>15675678
What can films do? List a couple that will help me see the light

[Anonymous No.15676677]

start with the griffith

[Anonymous No.15676682]

>>15676677
Based

[Anonymous No.15676692]

>>15676644
8½
Mulholland Dr.
The Seventh Seal
Andrei Rublev

[Anonymous No.15676724]

>/lit/ only like films that resemble lit

The pinnacle of pseud

[Anonymous No.15676728]

>>15676644
Joker
Intolerance
Satantango
The Last Movie
Tetsuo: The Iron Man
Strike
Man with a Movie Camera
Dog Man Star
Stalker
Persona

[Anonymous No.15676770]

>>15676692
>>15676728
Thanks, I'll give it a go. I haven't heard of any of these except Joker, not sure if you're joking with that one.

[Anonymous No.15676786]

>>15676728
>Dog Man Star
IGNORANT

[Anonymous No.15676866]

>>15676770
Joker is shit

[Anonymous No.15676940]

>>15676770
Joker is the pinnacle of cinema

[Anonymous No.15677117]

>>15674507
You're either intentionally or genuinely retarded if you think all video games are the same as a board game. Something like The Void is certainly art but nothing like chess, even if they both have rules. A fighting game or something like that is functionally a board game, and fighting games aren't art. Yes, a lot of dumb asses go "pretty picture means it's art" that doesn't mean there aren't video games that ARE art. "Video game" is a clumsy term and all you're hung up on is the word "game" next to "art," but going into hysterics over semantics is retarded and effeminate.

[Anonymous No.15677143]

>film
>diluting artistic vision through dozens if not hundreds of disparate production staff and teams

no

[Anonymous No.15677245]

>>15677143
auteurs take absolute control over their movies, from casting to set design to photography to editing

[Anonymous No.15677317]

There's a lot of garbage cinema and a lot of garbage literature. The problem isn't which is greater than the other, it is why is the majority of humanity so mediocre? Why do the majority lack critical thinking or idiosyncratic vision?

[Anonymous No.15677324]

>>15677143
>film
>yoking dozens if not hundreds of disparate production staff and teams beneath the weight of your almighty artistic vision

YES

[Anonymous No.15677359]

>>15675606
>Either way, not sure why you have such a hate boner for Kubrick.
>Is Sunrise the Linklater film?
Fucking die

[Anonymous No.15677365]

>>15675517
Another thoroughly unimpressive collection of shots.
>>15675530
cope brainlet

[Anonymous No.15677369]

>>15675539
well
actually ignorant
hmm

IGNORANT

[Anonymous No.15677380]

>>15674526
You wouldn't know. Eat a bullet you tiresome pedestrian.

[Anonymous No.15677386]

>>15673384
You wouldn't have to act like a seething woman if you knew film history

[Anonymous No.15677446]

>>15677386
and yet your vast knowledge of film history doesnt prevent you from acting like a seething woman
curious

[Anonymous No.15677984]

>>15675181
Value of what sort?

>>15677117
Do you PLAY this game The Void? Yes? Then fuck off, it's not art. Do you watch it and the only inputs are those of movement which is literally an equivalent of pressing 'next' on a TV remote? Then it's not a game. Why are you people so obsessed with games being everything? Why can't you be satisfied with it just being called a game and enjoy it in whatever fucking scope? Do footballers go around yelling "yeah Drogba's shot was pure art, please classify our sport as an art form, we're desperate for recognition"? No, they fucking don't, because they're content with it being what it is. Someone might say "ooh that play was beautiful, literally art" but it's just a figure of speech. Stop seeking deeper validation for your hobby.
If you keep on insisting that games are art, I'll keep asking why a certain game isn't. For instance, you mentioned fighting games. Why not? Is Ryu's quote "to go beyond the battle" not reminiscent of Arjuna? His easily punishable dash forward a constant reminder that we shouldn't stray too far from our path, that we shouldn't just jump into new experiences without thought? How adaptability makes us stronger? Now I see... the DP motion is actually The Bhagavad Gita!

[Anonymous No.15677995]

Literature fail at making atmosphere and Catharsis as films/music can, The greatest films i've ever watched are the ones i can barely explain why they're so great, It feels like a master consciously toying with each part of your brain responsible for emotions and make a salad out of it that somehow makes sense in intuitive way, Lit is the opposite of that for me and i use it mostly to intellectualize.

[Anonymous No.15678011]

>>15675400
Just finished Andrei Rublev and finished TBK a week ago, Rublev was better.

[Anonymous No.15678770]

>>15677995
Music far surpasses literature.