Most unread white-collar job?

[Anonymous No.15654191]

I have met tons of doctors and besides their field of study, they are borderline retarded, normie-tier.

The most read ones are engineers, especially math/physics/EE/telecommunication/CS.

Economics students are retarded aswell.

[Anonymous No.15654199]

>>15654191
Engineers, by far.

[Anonymous No.15654198]

definitely real estate tycoons. all you need to know is how to buy and sell

[Anonymous No.15654210]

>>15654199
engineers read, they just read retarded positivist nonsense about how the 5th dimensional is totally real because of dark energy or quantum physics or some shit

[Anonymous No.15654222]

>>15654191
Nurses seem to be like this a lot
I don’t understand it whatsoever, they are retarded so often yet understand enough to get through the rigorous schooling and biology/chemistry classes

[Anonymous No.15654221]

>>15654210
or "the next AI revolution #340192308"

[Anonymous No.15654250]

>>15654222
I don't quite get nursing degrees these days. Why would you go through years of study when you could just a well get a doctor's degree?

[Anonymous No.15654262]

>>15654191
Electricians, I'm out of place around them. Which is why I like them. I usually hate avid readers because they are usually full of themselves.

[Anonymous No.15654315]

>>15654262
>they are usually full of themselves.
As they should be.

[Anonymous No.15654333]

>>15654315
nope

[Anonymous No.15654349]

HS English teachers. Maybe 5-10% read frequently, another 10-30% read exclusively YA shit, and the remainder don’t read anything they’re not teaching, ie Great Gatsby, et al.

[Anonymous No.15654385]

>>15654262
The things that aren't full of themselves are called 'hollow'

[Anonymous No.15654396]

>>15654191
CEOs and business types. They only read moron-tier management books filled with platitudes and bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15654684]

>>15654385
The saying means overly full of themselves. Believing to have more content then you truly have. Obviously to be full is good, but the saying does not mean a healthy balance. Did I strike a chord in you?

[Anonymous No.15654694]

>>15654250
Pretty sure a full blown doctor’s degree is even many more magnitudes difficult. But for the amount of knowledge for a nursing degree it doesn’t even seem to pay well enough to even be worth it imo

[Anonymous No.15654757]

>>15654250
It's cheaper to get a bachelor's degree than a doctorate, at least in the US

[Anonymous No.15654771]

>>15654191
>Economics students are retarded as well
Can confirm. However, most of them are weeded the fuck out by econometrics class. Before that, though, you'll see s o y lads and brainless bimbos talk about economics as if it were some Reddit mantra. These people can't even take a derivative of a simple univariable function, and they claim to be econ students. At least I met a gothish artho with VERY big tits in econ. Very few students in the easier econ classes even give a shit. It's sad bro

[Anonymous No.15654777]

>>15654757
Oh, right. Forgot getting a degree costs money in the US.

[Anonymous No.15654809]

>>15654777
>heh. A degree costs money in the US
We are still allowed to use butter knives wivvout a loicence, Noigel

[Anonymous No.15654818]

>>15654809
1. university isn't free in bongland
2. I don't live in bongland

[Anonymous No.15654825]

>>15654199
based dubs
i have never met an engineer who reads anything outside of pop culture sci-fi for pleasure

[Anonymous No.15654837]

>>15654199
Someone wanna tell engi-queers the Σ makes an S?

[Anonymous No.15654842]

>>15654818
Where do you live? Honestly curious

[Anonymous No.15654847]

>>15654842
Norway

[Anonymous No.15654873]

>>15654191
Most STEM fields are incredibly unread. STEM brings in more money than any field for universities and because of this you see a lot of professors from that field get elevated in the university system to Deans/Chancellors/Presidents what have you. Those same professors then look at what does and what doesn't bring in outside money/grants and cut programs accordingly. They generally don't see a point of having liberal arts degrees in schools beyond bringing in tuition or giving something for people they deem too dumb for STEM to pursue. You can see this attitude starting to seep down into public schools where there has been talks of cutting reading literature entirely from english programs in favor of technical writing and gearing other courses toward career minded skills.

[Anonymous No.15655813]

>>15654191
>The most read ones are engineers
I was legit about to get pissed until you included
>math/physics/EE/telecommunication/CS
Most engineering students I knew still thought jRPGs were a great source of literature; there were a few pre-med people I knew who read Ayn Rand though

[Anonymous No.15656409]

>>15654847
Is it is bad as Sweden

[Anonymous No.15656494]

no one reads, in my experience. Even the english majors talk mostly about genre fiction or chick lit, despite having read whatever classics were assigned to them. You should really get over it and use your bourgeois information saturated taste to larp as an aristocrat, and these idiots will believe you.

[Anonymous No.15656597]

>>15654191
Who's this goblin? Or is it a dwarf?

[Anonymous No.15656747]

>>15654199
This, especially when you include computer söyentists

[Anonymous No.15657386]

>>15654873
While this is a horrible phenomenon, the quality of a degree has lowered significantly, particularly since it's become the standard path for upwards social mobility. It's equally bad that shitty humanities degrees are handed out like candy. That's what has devalued the humanities degree. People no longer see a virtue in studying the humanities, it's just a 3-4 year sidequest before your real life begins. STEM at least serves a practical purpose which most humanities do not. Even when people defend the humanities they never justify their degree by saying something like "my history degree was a good thing, because I learned history, and history is important." They'll always say something like, "you should study the humanities because it equips with a disposition or a set of skills that can be applied to many different situations." This only reinforces the fact that there is almost no virtue in actually studying the humanities today. Studying the humanities isn't actually about learning the humanities, it's about socialising yourself for a particular kind of middle-to-upper-class existence.

I for one welcome the collapse of the bloated university system. Private institutions and individual curiosity will still exist. Their scholarship will be much more intellectually curious and productive than the current manufactured enthusiasm. University degrees went to shit when we decided that everyone needed to have one.

[Anonymous No.15657433]

>>15657386
>STEM at least serves a practical purpose which most humanities do not.
no i does not.

[Anonymous No.15657505]

>>15656747
shut the fuck up, LARPer

[Anonymous No.15658090]

>>15655813
>pre-med people I knew who read Ayn Rand though
How is that shit even remotely a sign of well read?

[Anonymous No.15658096]

>>15657386
Thank you for reading my wordpress blog ok

[Anonymous No.15658339]

>>15654349
Yeah. I majored in philosophy and literature for my undergrad, worked in corporate settings for a couple of years, and am now getting a masters in education to be a teacher and have a lot of classes with undergrad pre-service English teachers. The problem isn’t so much that they don’t read, it’s that they don’t know how to read. You wouldn’t believe the kind of shit these kids come up with when assigned to translate a Shakespeare sonnet into contemporary language and provide a brief analysis. They might not get a good grade on that assignment, but they don’t care to learn the proper approach because that thing counts for like .5% of the overall grade and we get a majority of our points for appealing to social justice issues within the classroom (which is also important, but content knowledge is moreso). The thought of them going into a classroom with this lack of understanding is utterly depressing.
Education should not exist as an undergraduate degree. Students should have to major in their content area and then be offered an additional year to get the teaching certification should they want to go that route, coming out with a master’s (foreign language programs widely offer this approach). Either that or teaching should be a professional degree program like law, which would ideally lead to more qualified candidates for the profession and higher respect from the public. It’ll never happen, though. And I’d hold this view even if I didn’t choose to go back for the graduate degree. There’s a reason why so many first-year teachers drop out of the profession to pursue something else. It’s a fallback degree for people who don’t know what they want to do and think of teaching as a secure, stable job with a direct path to licensure. This is also why the American public is so poorly educated. The reality and importance of the profession requires a severe reformation.

[Anonymous No.15658392]

>>15654262
Based post

[Anonymous No.15658519]

>>15657505
I'm serious. (You) might be an exception but everyone I know in engineering has done nothing but play video games since middle school.

[Anonymous No.15658547]

>>15658519
Yes I'm in Engineering and there are a few really smart kids but most of them don't care about anything and no one reads at all. I don't even try to talk about reading anymore I just do it for myself

[Anonymous No.15658597]

>>15657386
Behold the coping stemcel

[Anonymous No.15658605]

>>15658339
>appealing to social justice issues within the classroom (which is also important,
Stopped reading

[Anonymous No.15659535]

>>15656409
Sweden isn't a bad place to live. Unless you get your worldview from pol.

[Anonymous No.15659623]

I graduated medical school and have been working for 1 year as a foundation doctor.

My days are a continual struggle to restrain myself from screaming.

Those at my level are incredible drone-esque. The opinion of the consultant (boss) is more important than God's judgement on judgement day. They lick ass so bad, the screeching forced laughter at their superior's jokes makes me choke with rage. The fake, empathy they demonstrate to the patients is fine - empathy has its limits - but they are not even aware that this behaviour is forced.

The superiors, where do I even start. You can tell that they were once at my level and looked up to their superiors as if they were divine. They have failed to cultivate themselves at all, renting their whole identity from their profession.

Conversations in the staff room, perhaps the worse conversations that occur in the world. I would prefer silence to the pathetic subjects that are spoken off.

My profession is robotic, everything is controlled - from decisions and diagnosis to what should or should not be talked about, which tone to use with patients.

I am stuck with idiots whose claim to intelligence lies behind the cultural lie that school children are told that DOCTORS ARE CLEVER.

I know that perhaps I too am an idiot, in fact I am more idiotic than not. But these people are something else. Life to them is simple, the world is obvious. There are no questions for them.

[Anonymous No.15659750]

“It tires me to talk to rich men. You expect a man of millions, the head of a great industry, to be a man worthhearing; but as a rule they don't know anything outside their own business.”

[Anonymous No.15659833]

>>15659623
That's any "high-end" profession for that matter. Law, finance etc. Sycophants and boot-lickers. When you meet these people you wonder why you had to fight tooth and nail to be where you are and how these retards didn't fall through the cracks of incompetence. The answer is obvious, however.

[Anonymous No.15660232]

>>15654349
that's why I'm so thankful my junior year english teacher was well read, he had a weird thing for afrofuturism but other than that he had really great taste.

[Anonymous No.15660287]

>>15654191
CSfags are some of the most clueless people on the planet.
t. studying CS

[Anonymous No.15660401]

Some econ major bragged in a bar to arthoes how he is also culturally educated and read the iliad and the great gatsby. That happened often with econ majors, mentioning late school material. The few CS majors I know only read jap shut like soseki, mishima and dazai. Maybe it's different in my country, but they never read capeshit etc.

[Anonymous No.15660496]

>>15654210
no, they read nerdy fantasy and sci fi.

[Anonymous No.15660705]

>>15654771
>weeded the fuck out by econometrics class.
delete this

[Anonymous No.15661510]

>>15654250
>>15654694
>>15654757
You can make like $40/hour right out of school in the US, vs having to do 4 years of medical school PLUS a clinical. Nurses are also very well respected here, really the only additional prestige you get is having Dr in your name.

>>15654825
>>15660496
>>15654199
Engineers for sure. They take enough math and science classes to feel they are "superior" to non-STEM, but not enough to learn some humility. Middlebrow major = middlebrow interests. Most I work with unironically like The Big Bang Theory because they remember hearing a few of the terms when they took Physics 3 10 years ago and they think actual smart people waste their time reading comic books and collecting Funko Pops.

t. Engineer

[Anonymous No.15661532]

>>15654191
In order of unintelligence
1. Real Estate
2. Finance
3. Business Management
4. Tech
5. Law
6. Medicine
7. Engineering

[Anonymous No.15661628]

If I want a legitimate job where I’m not a customer service mascot, but I’m also not stuck working with people who make me hate living, what they fuck am I supposed to do? I’m not fortunate enough to know of anything to do to work by myself, and that would be hellish too but my current job has me wanting to spit on everyone that makes the stupid sounds their ugly fucking faces make as they talk about the same thing every fucking day without any anxiety of the fact they do this whatsoever (they should fucking hate themselves).

[Anonymous No.15661737]

>>15661532
>engineering that low
I hope you don’t put physicists and mathematicians in this boring ass category

[Anonymous No.15661798]

>>15661510
>They take enough math and science classes to feel they are "superior" to non-STEM
I can assure you that if engineering undergrads took an actual math class (abstract algebra, analysis, topology, etc.), that most of them would get absolutely filtered. The sad truth of most universities is that almost all lower math courses are explicitly aimed at giving engineers tools they need for their upper classes, so as a result these classes are pretty entirely based on rote memorization and algorithmic processes rather than actual mathematical thinking, proofs, or having any sort of intuitive understanding of what they're doing.
This is why I always have to laugh whenever I hear one complaining about how hard a class like Calc 2 (a very common highschool class, might I add) is while trashing other majors, usually humanities, about how easy their work is.
Obviously, they're not all like this and some of the smarter mathematicians I've met actually come from an engineering background, but the average engineering student/engineer is the definition of a pseud.

[Anonymous No.15662116]

>>15661798
Are calc classes part of colleges in other countries? In my cs major our first semester math classes were analysis and linear algebra, calc here is always highschool and the pre uni classes they offer before the semester starts. Which is also why most people drop out early on.

[Anonymous No.15662195]

>>15662116
Generally speaking: CS majors are required to take Calc I-II, linear algebra, and discrete math I-II and engineering majors are required to take Calc I-III, linear algebra, and ODEs.

[Anonymous No.15662205]

>>15657386
>why yes, i do believe that the function of the university is to serve as cheap research for faceless conglomerates

[Anonymous No.15662214]

>>15662205
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.15662225]

>>15662195
In America any accredited science bachelors requires the full calc sequence. If you don't do Calc 3 and DiffEQ, you won't make it far in machine leaning. Computer vision is based on doing PDEs on movement of pixels in the video.

[Anonymous No.15662367]

>>15661737
No, obviously not, I mean civil engineers

[Anonymous No.15662413]

>>15661798
100% agree. I was going to major in mathematics until I went to math camp when I was 17 and realized how much of a brainlet I was trying to do discrete mathematics and getting completely lost :0) I decided to go with engineering instead

[Anonymous No.15663379]

>>15658339
Good post, anon

[Anonymous No.15663398]

>>15660401
> The few CS majors I know only read jap shut like soseki, mishima and dazai.
Based CS majors

[Anonymous No.15663932]

>>15654191
I have met plenty of doctors, and most of them don't even understand medicine or biology unless they work in an academic context. You're average doctor doesn't know shit, and most of them don't keep up with current developments or spend any time reading actual medical or biological journals.

[Anonymous No.15663942]

>>15656747
>computer söyentists
Nice

[Anonymous No.15663959]

>>15659623
>the screeching forced laughter at their superior's jokes makes me choke with rage.
I feel this my man, in my very bones.

[Anonymous No.15664034]

>>15663942
thanks, I was quite proud of that one

[Anonymous No.15664400]

I'm a software developer and most of my peers never read anything more interesting than Brandon Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.15664445]

>>15658090
I wouldn't know, I've never read it myself.

[Anonymous No.15664649]

>>15654250
Because with 2-4 years of schooling you can get your RN/BSN and make 40$ an hour, work 36 hour weeks, and not have to go through a rigorous residency to change specialties.

[Anonymous No.15664870]

>>15664649
My mom is an ER RN and makes over twice as much as I do as a IT monkey for the local government.
She does put up with a lot of stressful bullshit though.

[Anonymous No.15665177]

>>15654771
>filtered by econometrics
I'm in the process of it, but lets be real, it's 21st century's astrology anyways.

[Anonymous No.15665215]

>>15661532
In what world are finance graduates worse than management people? These are absolutely worst bugmen right next to marketing and admin/HR people.

[Anonymous No.15665257]

>>15661532
Law should not be on that list. The most well-read and intelligent people I know study law.

[Anonymous No.15665270]

>>15665257
>Anecdotal evidence

[Anonymous No.15665279]

>>15665270
This whole thread is anecdotal evidence

[Anonymous No.15665284]

Eurofag with bachelor's and master's in finance here, spent many years at a couple of business schools. Been reading books since I was a kid which is why I probably paid some attention to how "well-read" the people I knew were.

Finance and economics students where I studied were generally very uninterested in reading outside of the best selling popsci books from the past few decades (think for example Taleb or Piketty), but there were some exceptions too. Marketing, organization, and management students were much worse, and I don't think I met any who read books on a regular basis. Surprisingly, I met many accounting students who read a lot, and were genuinely enthusiastic to talk about their hobby.

[Anonymous No.15665293]

These fields:
1. Anything STEM
2. Business

humanities were here, people in the sciences don’t know shit about the world
law can hang too but it feels like only the people on top of their field are well read

[Anonymous No.15665582]

>>15665284
Most people I know who study finance are bugmen who know nothing beyond how to do DCFs and lack any broader intellectual curiosity. If it comes up in conversation that you're reading philosophy for example, you'll either get an accusatory "why?" or they'll smile and nod whilst visibly judging you. They're good at taking ideas for granted.

[Anonymous No.15665665]

'ate currents
'ate sand
'ate lily pads
love me spring
simple as

[Anonymous No.15665802]

>>15665582
I agree with your assessment for the most part and I gotta say the condescending attitude rooted in ignorance is just baffling. But these kinds of people are often excellent for investment banks and other professional services fields to chew up and spit out.

[Anonymous No.15665960]

>>15654349
in grade 10 ap, ontario canada if it matters, our main book report/essay was on a terry pratchett ya novel. and this was the better english teacher in the school.

[Anonymous No.15666650]

>>15658339
You do actually have to get an undergraduate degree in your content area to teach high school, or at least have a certain amount of credits in that area in specific courses. Some colleges just combine the work of the MA in Education and the BA in Literature and blend the classes they’re taking together so they study both at the same time in a 5 year program. I personally did what you did and went back for the graduate degree after getting the undergraduate, but there’s a lot of approaches to it. I also think it differs from state to state. Also, many of those teachers who aren’t good at the content are going to get weeded out of the application process quickly. I’ve been on a few hiring committees and seen it happen. Had a girl who had great rapport with the students during her demo lesson and a pretty good handle on pedagogy, but she was pretty lax in her understanding of irony, which she based her lesson on. She didn’t get the job on that point alone because another teacher was also very good at what she was good at and also nailed the content.
In any case, the department I work for is well read. Yes, sometimes we dabble in reading YA literature because sometimes you’ve got to know the right YA literature to give kids to entice them to read. I personally get into the sci-fi/fantasy stuff because that’s my schlocky jam, so I’m the expert in the department on those recommendations. Others like different stuff and we pool our resources. We also have a ton of expertise in different areas and genres.
I suppose part of the issue is that if you go into a PhD program to teach literature you become an expert and you only have to teach in your specialization, whereas a high school English teacher is expected to have EVERYTHING in their wheelhouse. I’ve bounced between teaching American lit and world lit courses so many times, it’s not even stable what content you’re going to teach. We all read in our spare time and help to build our classroom libraries with recommendations from each other. It’s gone a long way to getting kids in our school to read.
Anyway, you’ve got some good points on why teaching should be elevated in our country. Good luck with your career, it’s tough but rewarding.

[Anonymous No.15667164]

>>15665802
>I gotta say the condescending attitude rooted in ignorance is just baffling
I think a lot it is due to the status associated with going into IB or PE. Some people think they're entitled to the respect of everyone due to the compensation they will receive and/or the fact that they work on big deals. As a result, the only worthwhile career to them is indeed the one that will maximise these two attributes. They become quite blind to how small-souled they are. The one's that are mildly conscious of this will instead posture as being well read but at the end of the day, still turn the noses up to the people in the previous example.

[Anonymous No.15667173]

>>15665802
>I gotta say the condescending attitude rooted in ignorance is just baffling
I think a lot it is due to the status associated with going into IB or PE. Some people think they're entitled to the respect of everyone due to the compensation they will receive and/or the fact that they work on big deals. As a result, the only worthwhile career to them is indeed the one that will maximise these two attributes. They become quite blind to how small-souled they are. The ones that are mildly conscious of this will instead posture as being well read but at the end of the day, still turn the noses up to the people in the previous example.