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[Anonymous No.15591822]

WHY IS HE SO IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND. WHY COULDN'T THIS NIGGA JUST WRITE LIKE A NORMAL PERSON

[Anonymous No.15591829]

[Anonymous No.15591846]

>>15591829
shame this image cuts off the best part of that post

[Anonymous No.15591850]

>>15591829
I cant read the bottom right

[Anonymous No.15591899]

>>15591829
>>>15591850
>also if your not an autistic retard he basically shows you how the techno-

oh well, too bad it cuts off

[Anonymous No.15591906]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/8iKFVdmjYq2N/

[Anonymous No.15591912]

>>15591829
>Blaming Hegel for left and right
Some of you haven't read Plato's Republic yet have you? Even the Iranian ayatollahs see it as a textbook, not to mention fascists and tankies as well.

[Anonymous No.15591928]

>>15591899
So this is the kind of philosophy Paul warned against. This Hegel guy went too deep it seems.

[Anonymous No.15591981]

>>15591928
Hegel didn’t go deep enough. That’s the problem.

[Anonymous No.15592018]

>>15591899
So hes basically saying that people embody the spirit of god in order to have deoth but its all dreams?
Sorry im kind of a brainlet

[Anonymous No.15592072]

>>15591822
i think that if he wrote like a normal person his "philosophy" would have melted down like snow in summer.
i can undersatand gödel and cantor, i can understand the scholastics, leibniz and the analytics, i never had any problem with understanding any philosopher from any age or region of the the world. but i don't understand hegel and schelling.

[Anonymous No.15592095]

>>15592072
I understand Hegel and Schelling enough to know that the 'not understandable' parts owe to their collapse of the copula of predication and that of identity, and their mixing up the scope of their negation operators (including also introducing a conception of negation which operates over individuals rather than predicates). Once you know that, and also understand why it made sense back them, you can appreciate why their work gets a little funny looking sometimes. They still had some interesting things to say.

[Anonymous No.15592278]

>>15591822
Thats the point

[Anonymous No.15592377]

>>15591928
>>15592018
read him for yourself brainlots

[Anonymous No.15592723]

>>15591829
kek

[Anonymous No.15592784]

>>15592072
>>15592095
Considering Schelling and Hegel are brought back by Heidegger as the new animator of the "world-spirit", what do you think of him? However, markedly Heidegger's similarity with Schopenhauer, the one who had seen through all of the worlds mischief and fantasy to its core, as well as with those other two. A Kant and Fichte do not "animate" the world, they have their own calm systems, and for this I prefer them. Furthermore Heidegger's relation to Nietzsche is in so many ways superficial, simply by Nietzsche's ideas' wrapping starting an aesthetic direction for Heidegger. There's a reason Heidegger ignored Plato's Parmenides, because as he said himself it shows metaphysics not at all to be a mistaken history of Platonism like Nietzsche thought, which Heidegger had taken advantage of in his own endeavours

[Anonymous No.15593261]

>>15591899
Hegel was a sorcerer and the Left and Right being lobotomized bastard children of Liberalism and Conservativsm don’t get this. He advocated for a supreme divine state much like the Reich or the USSR’s plans for Europe and so you can take his insights and use them to justify extreme statism or some kind of techno-socialist autarchy. Right Hegelians focus on his dealings with Spirit, Leftists focus mostly on the Dialectic itself and try to secularize that as some type of silent-pneumatic machinery that drives history towards class conflict and communist statism. They’re both insane and Hegel’s phenomenology is a form of memetic psychoactive agent that binds the minds of everyone who reads it. Its venom, pure necrotizing linguistic magic. He was a genius for this reason. Also if you’re not an autistic retard he basically shows you how the techno-alchemical engineers of civilization are transforming humanity into a sacrificial killing field for otherworldly forces but that’s not interesting to rightists or leftists because they’re castrati golem creatures who only exist to poke holes in the barrier between man’s conscious rational awareness and his subconscious cthonic realm. If you wait long enough Hegel’s name will come up in most discussions by these groups. He’s the root of all their lunacy.

[Anonymous No.15593635]

>>15591899
what kind of drugs do you think he used to take in order to write such bullshit?

[Anonymous No.15593752]

>>15591899
Will there ever be a time when I understand what this nigga is saying?

[Anonymous No.15593900]

>>15591899
This guy influenced a huge swathe of all subsequent philosophers.
Did they really all understand PoS?
How did they do it?

[Anonymous No.15593909]

>>15591822
because he was an egghead who couldn't be bothered enough to self edit

>>15591899
>>15591928
>>15592018
>>15593752
This paragraph comes fairly early on in the Preface (which was written after the whole work was completed and is even more unintelligible than the main text (because hegel is SHIT at writing))

This is part of where he's saying this:
> One mechanism we have for examining and apprehending truth is a "scientific" one, that involves axioms, systematization, things like that. It is useful for the specific knowledge it examines, but basing your entire philosophy on this methodology is ultimately really shallow and will never reach a whole satisfying concept of reality, spirit and consciousness. It draws a veil over such things.
> Opposed to this we have this vague new-agey feelings-type stuff, which recognizes the shortcomings of science, but totally lacks the qualities of science that make it useful. It lacks things like rigor, precision, falsifiable-ness. For example like, charismatic cults or hippies, where if you "don't feel the vibes" then the fault is in you because you "just dont get it".
> Such minds, when they give themselves up to the uncontrolled ferment of the divine substance, imagine that, by drawing a veil over self-consciousness and surrendering understanding they become the beloved of God to whom He gives wisdom in sleep; and hence what they in fact receive, and bring to birth in their sleep, is nothing but dreams.

He's criticizing both science and its antithesis as being fundamentally flawed ways of understanding the world.

I'm not just projecting my own understanding onto his shitbabble of words either. Sadler has this interpretation, so does the Findlay commentary in the back of Miller's translation.

>>15592377
yes

[Anonymous No.15593914]

>>15593900
They used supplementary material. Once you know what he's saying then it makes sense. It's not impossible, you should read it for yourself.

[Anonymous No.15593923]

>>15593914
What supplementary material?

[Anonymous No.15593929]

>>15593914
In the Miller translation there's a paragraph-by-paragraph "commentary" by Findlay which is really basically just an answer key for what he's saying in each paragraph, just written in normal concise English.

[Anonymous No.15593934]

>>15593929>>15593923>>15593914
fml replied to the wrong post

[Anonymous No.15593939]

>>15593909
Well it makes perfect sense when it's written like that. Why couldn't he hire an editor or something, jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.15593951]

>>15593929
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.15593963]

>>15591822
This is a good take on Hegel in general and Phenomenology of Spirit in particular...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/8iKFVdmjYq2N/

[Anonymous No.15593969]

>>15593963

[Anonymous No.15593986]

>>15593909
>I'm not just projecting my own understanding onto his shitbabble of words either. Sadler has this interpretation, so does the Findlay commentary in the back of Miller's translation.
The fact that he needs to be 'interpreted' at all is a problem. I'd like to think he's clearer in German but somehow I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.15594421]

can anyone tell me what is such the big deal about hegel and phenomenology of spirit

why do people go crazy about it. i see his portrait spammed everywhere and the book cover spammed everywhere but idk wtf it is about and have never seen a cogent discussion of it.

wtf is the deal, at least why do people use him posture so much

[Anonymous No.15594434]

>>15593969
I knew it was poo shit the instant I saw this pepe lmfao

[Anonymous No.15594476]

Apparently no one can understand Hegel, so I will consider undertaking a paragraph by paragraph or even a sentence by sentence explanation of Hegel's PoS and/or SoL so we can all get up to speed.

If anyone is interested, please respond to this post.

[Anonymous No.15594479]

>>15593929
Didn't know this existed. I will check it out, thanks.

[Anonymous No.15594541]

>>15594476
My main exposure to Hegel is via Zizek.

Does Hegel want to show that power can be subverted through understanding?
Or that contradictions aren't the issue, but the solution - the only way out is through?
We have to look to the old with today's culture and context to not fully understand, but more understand ourselves vicariously through culture across time?

Shit, idk, I just teach env.sci

[Anonymous No.15594620]

>>15594541
Reading Hegel's PoS is like living a whole life in the span of however long it takes you to read it. You are essentially born in the preface and you 'die' at the end. That's the easiest way to explain it. If you didn't experience this then you might have missed something. Possible you didn't, but this was my experience.

Trying to explain it to you in parts as I believe you have requested would be like cutting the heart out of someone's chest in order to study it and then wondering why it stopped working. You may be able to glean some information from such a thing, but you will necessarily find it lacking if you do not recognize the fact that it is dead. Just like if you jump into the middle of a novel, you simply won't understand what's all going on.

[Anonymous No.15594635]

>>15591899
He is criticizing people and disciplines who claim to have reached the truth/enlightenment/ideal self (or essentialism), since that position supposes a limited and finite substance (knowledge and being are also finite, therefore they can’t be unlimited), which contradicts the spirit, that has unlimited potential, so no finite position can be the ideal form of the spirit itself, and anyone who claims to have reached is lying and “living in a dream”. So in conclusion there’s always gonna be a higher version on of one’s self.
But that’s just my interpretation, it’s my first time reading Hegel and it seems like every other metaphysics text, correct me if I’m wrong.

[Anonymous No.15594639]

>>15594620
The thing is, i think i might be able to explain it, but it would tern more into a long stream if thoughts rather than neat maxims like spinoza. You did explain it roght with it being more if a journey of contemplation than anything.

[Anonymous No.15594659]

>>15594476
everyone tries 2 do this . there are a million of these and its not just sadler. v bad

[Anonymous No.15594679]

>>15594476
>>15594659
to add, go on youtube and look up something like "[name of a section of phenomenology of spirit] summary". scroll down and down and down and down and ........ you'll soon reallize how bad the situation is.

here's the worst one i've found yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKqnZlXkA-A

[Anonymous No.15594736]

>>15594659
I watched some of the sadler vids. They honestly were mediocre at best, misleading and a waste of time at worst.

[Anonymous No.15594762]

>>15594736
yes, he isn't good. it's very verbose. really inexpedient. he inflates such a small amount of material into literally hours of content. consuming hegel through him would make it seem so fragmented

[Anonymous No.15594809]

>>15591822
It’s difficult to translate his works properly
Learn German you mong

[Anonymous No.15594824]

>>15594809
fuck you.

[Anonymous No.15594860]

>>15591822
he didnt know what he was talking about and probably realised halfway through PoS that it was contradictory nonsense. He was in too deep though and just obscured everything in schizobabble.

[Anonymous No.15594871]

Is Hegel's Ladder any good? Apparently it's a paragraph by paragraph explanation of the Phenomenology?

[Anonymous No.15594954]

>>15594860
can you name something about it that was obviously contradictory?

i mean this sincerely

[Anonymous No.15594974]

>>15594679
Seems more like an advertisement for the book than anything. I wouldn't mistake an advertisement for the actual product, but maybe somebody would. I don't know.

[Anonymous No.15595121]

>>15594871
It’s the patrician version of Half-hour Hegel.

[Anonymous No.15595128]

>>15591822
He was a fraud that couldn't even write, read daddy Schopenhauer instead

[Anonymous No.15595338]

>>15594620

>’my interpretation of this work is the correct one and if you didn’t interpret it exactly like me you’re wrong... no I didn’t author the work.’

Fucking brainlet.

[Anonymous No.15595497]

>>15595338
shoo

[Anonymous No.15595506]

>>15591822
He’s the reason for all the godless ideologies that have subsequently gone on to destroy Europe, Western Civilization and by extension the white race. So he’s a demon, but I guess that just depends on your perspective.

[Anonymous No.15595563]

>>15594476
Definitely, but do PoS 15-18 right now so we can know youre not just winging it. Better make a new thread too.

[Anonymous No.15595571]

>>15591822
You'll never understand him because you are American and fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.15595631]

>>15595563
It would be difficult to understand because it would require knowledge of the previous sections, but I will consider it.

[Anonymous No.15595683]

>>15593963
How can you look like that and expect that anyone take anything you say seriously

[Anonymous No.15595687]

>>15595631
>It would be difficult to understand
so you're saying you can't explain it to people?

>it would require knowledge of the previous sections
the previous sections basically don't say anything of import for understanding hegel. that's why I chose those paragraphs. I feel like that was obvious...
look if you have no real insight on Hegel, then please keep your shit to yourself. there are already enough idiots like sadler who clearly have no clue what's going on in the PoS. There's no reason to go paragraph by paragraph let alone sentence by sentence. only IF the writing was clear would it be worth it to do that, in order to squeeze every little thing out of it. it's better to understand large chunks of it.
but please go for it.

[Anonymous No.15595718]

>>15591822
>sub 190iq
not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.15595732]

>>15594659
FUCK OFF CLOOMER

[Anonymous No.15595820]

>>15595687
like I said, I'll consider it

[Anonymous No.15595845]

>>15595687
>the previous sections basically don't say anything of import for understanding hegel. that's why I chose those paragraphs. I feel like that was obvious...
What are you talking about? Yes, the previous sections do need to be read in order to have a full understanding of those paragraphs.

[Anonymous No.15595859]

>>15595845
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15595899]

>>15595859
>15. As for content, the other side make it easy enough for themselves at times to display a great expanse of it. They appropriate a lot of already familiar and well-ordered material; by focusing on rare and exotic instances they give the impression that they have hold of everything else which scientific knowledge had already embraced in its scope, and that they are also in command of such material as is as yet unordered.

What is 'the other side'?

'A great expanse of' what?

Tell me what it means without context.

[Anonymous No.15595916]

>>15593261
Kek

[Anonymous No.15595932]

>>15594809
OP here

MY NIGGA I AM READING HIM IN GERMAN AND ITS STILL IMPOSSIBLE

[Anonymous No.15596095]

>>15595859
based

[Anonymous No.15596114]

>>15591822
Why are you trying to read it?

[Anonymous No.15596350]

>>15591899
Amazing. I spent easily half an hour with this text and had to reread every sentence more than once. I don't have anything to add, but I'm happy that I understand a great part of it while 2 years ago I would have been completely blind to the meaning.

[Anonymous No.15596363]

>>15594635
I find that to be a decent enough interpretation.

[Anonymous No.15596377]

>>15591899
it's so beautiful. He's just absolutely skating on the line between schizo rambling and perfect logic.

[Anonymous No.15596392]

I warned you about obscurantist and charlatans but you wouldn't listen.

[Anonymous No.15596476]

>>15594954
fuck you

[Anonymous No.15596490]

>no one realising that PoS is a work of satire

[Anonymous No.15596581]

>>15596490
what's it satirizing?

[Anonymous No.15596584]

>>15596581
society

[Anonymous No.15596600]

>>15596584
>society
it's a historical text though. I mean he does clown on the stoics by calling them "the unhappy consciousness" desu

[Anonymous No.15597482]

>>15591822
cause hes a nigger