Fascist Theory Recs?

[Anonymous No.15590830]

I've finished a ton of works by Deleuze/Marx/Freud/Baudrillard/Virilio and now I want to get into right-wiong theory. Does anyone have any recs for actual fascist/far-right theory? Thanks anons.

[Anonymous No.15590842]

>>15590830
No because they all suck. Read plato, it's more worked out and isn't cringe

[Anonymous No.15590865]

>>15590830
BAP book

[Anonymous No.15590897]

>>15590830
Faye, Linkola

[Anonymous No.15590941]

>>15590830
it's all major cringe, but I guess you could start out with Julius Evola or Giovanni Gentile. It would also be better to read Guenon and Hegel before reading Evola and Gentile respectively.
Also, I would like to restate that fascism is major cringe.

[Anonymous No.15590963]

>>15590941
post body

[Anonymous No.15590973]

>>15590897
>Faye
Guillaume Faye? And eco-Fascism a la Linkola is on the rader, thanks for confirming to check it out.
>>15590941
Gentile was apparently called "the philosopher of fascism", so thanks for that. I'm sure there's plenty of cringe in it, just like Deleuze and Marx. Baudrillard and Virilio are incredibly based, however.

[Anonymous No.15590986]

>>15590973
State is arbiter of truth. Everything else is contingent. Eco fascism is not developed through fascism, it's developed through ecology

[Anonymous No.15590993]

>>15590941
>its cringe bro
Supporting anything else is cringe nowadays. Unless you like trannies and neverending faggotry. Facism/natsoc is the only logical step forward when a system becomes broken.

[Anonymous No.15591007]

>>15590986
>Eco fascism is not developed through fascism
Yeah, that's what makes it so interesting to me.

[Anonymous No.15591043]

>>15590993
>Facism
>Facism/natsoc is the only logical step forward when a system becomes broken.
And you know this because you've lived a whole 12 years which is a very long time.

[Anonymous No.15591061]

>>15590830
I'd like to coom on her belli

[Anonymous No.15591086]

>>15590973
>Deleuze is cringe
>Slow Deleuze is based
How?

[Anonymous No.15591109]

nietzsche->le bon->spengler->evola
ignore luddist/hitlerist meme authors

[Anonymous No.15591113]

>>15590830
There's literally a chart for this, in terms of theory burke (read hobbes, plato, and aristotle before hand) and sorel are your best bets. Cioran and Codreanu are cool, but I'd suggest reading the others first. Note that third positionism is not fascism, so tread lightly.

[Anonymous No.15591141]

>>15591007
It has nothing to do w fascism

[Anonymous No.15591151]

>>15591043
>'why does unemployment even exist? just look 'em in the eye and give em a good firm handshake, worked for me!'
>'look at this cool charlie kirk meme that I posted on facebook! libtards owned! trump 2020! maga!'
Day of the pillow coming soon boomer.

[Anonymous No.15591162]

>>15591086
For me Deleuze was great until he got into writing with Guattari, then things were not nearly as good. The ideas themselves are still great, especially desiring-machines as they interact with the BwO but something about the style kinda kills it for me. Baudrillard's ideas of reversibility, seduction, different types of exchange and the code are really interesting to try to apply to different things around me from a theory standpoint.

[Anonymous No.15591190]

>>15590830
I just read those guys and every time they mention bourgeois or fascism, then I just replace them with jews or liberal democracy/liberalism/communism depending on context.

[Anonymous No.15591199]

>>15591113
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.15591228]

[Anonymous No.15591233]

>>15591151
Jesus, zoomies will reee at anything. Especially the fact that they're zoomies.

[Anonymous No.15591241]

>>15591228
What makes you think they're immune to recessions?

[Anonymous No.15591279]

>>15591190
Based
>>15591199
Checked
>>15591228
>READ OUR AUTHENTIC DOCTRINES!
>lists no doctrines
(you)

[Anonymous No.15591314]

>>15591279
Not that you but appreciate the you nonetheless

[Anonymous No.15591317]

>>15591228
>*EMPTY PROMISE
>*EMPTY PROMISE
>*EMPTY PROMISE
>*EMPTY PROMISE
>*EMPTY PROMISE
You say you aren't socialist but you sure as hell sound like one.

[Anonymous No.15591362]

>>15591314
Are you the guy that replaces words in Marx? Cause that's unironically a great way to apply Foucault.

[Anonymous No.15591468]

>>15591362
no thats me, and yes you're exactly correct.

[Anonymous No.15591481]

>>15590897
>Linkola
>right wing
We'll meme'd my good sir

[Anonymous No.15591505]

>>15590830
Good right wing philosophy:
>Revolt of the Masses by Ortega y Gasset
>Minima Moralia by Theodor Adorno
>Revolt Against the Modern World by Julius Evola
>Ideas Have Consequences by Richard Weaver
>The Concept of the Political by Carl Schmitt
Good fascist philosophy:
>wtf it's blank

[Anonymous No.15591507]

Pic related

Also read all four of these in order, they will get you started:
https://www.counter-currents.com/tag/breaking-the-bondage-of-interest/

[Anonymous No.15591529]

>>15590993
>Unless you like trannies and neverending faggotry.
If all pleasure has, preserved within it, earlier pain, then here pain, as pride in bearing it, is raised directly, untransformed, as a stereotype, to pleasure: unlike wine, each glass of whisky, each inhalation of cigar smoke, still recalls the repugance that it cost the organism to become attuned to such strong stimuli, and this alone is registered as pleasure. He-men are thus, in their own constitution, what film-plots usually present them to be, masochists. At the root of their sadism is a lie, and only as liars do they truly become sadists, agents of repression. This lie, however, is nothing other than repressed homosexuality presenting itself as the only approved form of heterosexuality. In Oxford two sorts of student are distinguished, the tough guys and the intellectuals; the latter through this contrast alone, are almost automatically equated with the effeminate. There is much reason to believe that the ruling stratum, on its way to dictatorship, becomes polarized towards these two extremes. Such disintegration is the secret of its integration, the joy of being united in the lack of joy. In the end the tough guys are the truly effeminate ones, who need the weaklings as their victims in order not to admit that they are like them. Totalitarianism and homosexuality belong together. In its downfall the subject negates everything which is not of its own kind. The opposites of the strong man and the compliant youth merge in an order which asserts unalloyed the male principle of domination. In making all without exception, even supposed subjects, its objects, this principle becomes totally passive, virtually feminine.

[Anonymous No.15591686]

>>15590830
Look into the work of Charles Maurras and Joseph de Maistre.
http://maistre.uni.cx/

[Anonymous No.15591781]

>>15591113
Anyone have part one?

[Anonymous No.15591851]

>>15591529
damn nigga I don't know what I read just now but something clicked in my head
totalitarianism truly is gay as fuck

[Anonymous No.15591950]

>>15591781

[Anonymous No.15592225]

>>15591113
anarcho-primitivism should have a presence tho

[Anonymous No.15592281]

>>15591950
thanks man

[Anonymous No.15592291]

>>15590993
>yeah I hate trannies a lot so I guess I'd call myself a fascist
Really shows how shallow this ideology is.

[Anonymous No.15592299]

>>15590830
>Does anyone have any recs for actual fascist/far-right theory?
Deleuze, Baudrillard

[Anonymous No.15592316]

>>15591113
>>15591950
Do you think whoever made those lists actually read the books?
They're mostly classic lit, but still.

[Anonymous No.15592317]

The only reason everyone shits on Third Position is because muh rasis. Even though it isnt but whatever. Can every faggot please return to reddit thank you. You don't have to like fascism but ffs can we have discussion at least. All you people do is shit on it when it clearly has merit given its success in the short time it was tried. And no a military defeat does not negate its benefits.

[Anonymous No.15592330]

>>15592291
Every other current ideology fell to globehomo shit. Democracy was subverted and failed, communism failed, we cant go back to monarchy anymore so it's the only reactionary choice left

[Anonymous No.15592353]

Did Jonathan Bowden write anything good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGy28J3Ql1Y

[Anonymous No.15592374]

The cleverest that a Fascist ever gets is laundering their Fascism behind some other line of reasoning.

[Anonymous No.15592380]

>>15592316
I wouldn't be surprised if they were made outside of /pol/, no Chateaubriand.

[Anonymous No.15592443]

>>15592317
>Can every faggot please return to reddit thank you. You don't have to like fascism but ffs can we have discussion at least. All you people do is shit on it when it clearly has merit given its success in the short time it was tried. And no a military defeat does not negate its benefits
Right? I didn't expect much since everyone's been rather anti-fash lately, but if you can't even discuss an idea without misrepresenting it, you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.15592520]

>>15591505
If you're right wing, how do you not veer into fascism as you witness non-authoritarian rw/conservatism utterly failing to restrain liberalism and capitalism? You're just kidding yourself.

[Anonymous No.15592537]

>>15592520
Fascism is a particular variant of authoritarian right wing politics, and a kind of unusual one. The reaction of many of the remaining monarchists to the Fascists was quite negative.

[Anonymous No.15592541]

>>15592520
I view fascism as a unique phenomenon of its time (the interwar period) and location (Europe; attempts to label various African regimes as "fascist" always strike me as absurd). There are no fascists today and it would make very little sense for me to endorse fascism.

[Anonymous No.15592567]

>>15592520
I dont trust any group of humans to completely rule over me like I am a kid. If that happens to create trannies and fat feminist women, it´s a price I am going to pay.

[Anonymous No.15592647]

>>15592317
Well said. Ethnos is critical though; everything is downstream from genetics, and divergent populations represent divergent interests (a state exists to safeguard the interests of a people — introducing additional peoples dangerously compromises that paradigm).

[Anonymous No.15592665]

>>15590830
Fascism is a branch on a third position tree. Third position ideals stem from universal phisophical concepts that manifest into material governments that organically grow and adopt to their national surrounding. This is why you will have differences on surfaces governmental applications between Italian Fascism and Spanish Falangism. Core universal concepts of fascism, but first we must understand third position is neither left or right. There may be parts of third position government that have aspects of that may be common with certain right-wing or left-wing beliefs but that is far as the resemblences go.
These are the components:
1. It is a collectivist philosophy i.e community over individual.
2. It is anti-materialistic i.e it puts value over what the naked eye can see, promotes spirituality.
3. It is idealistic political philosophy, i.e puts grand goals to achieve on individual level and communal level.
4. It is traditional and futuristic, it respects the values of the culture that was the expression of a people's ancestry and their sacrifice and it also puts technology and science to obtain the goals of the community.
5. It is law and order, punishing bad behavior not tolerating subversion, but rather rewarding discipline.
Many laymen try to describe Fascism by its materailistic components rather than its philosophical core.

[Anonymous No.15592670]

>>15592520
By seeing all fascists in europe and asia become liberal capitalists after ww2

[Anonymous No.15592671]

>>15590830
Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.15592680]

>>15592647
Of course race matters but third position isnt "racist". Most third positions (not retards like wignats that usurp TP iconography) respect all races. A society does need to gave racial unity though, it cant be "diverse" . That's only a fraction of what TP is about.

[Anonymous No.15592681]

>>15592665
That all means nothing I'm sorry tosay

[Anonymous No.15592695]

>>15592374
BTFO
/thread

[Anonymous No.15592701]

>>15592681
What I'm trying to say Fascism is beyond your petty right/left meme and these people claming they are fascists are just larpers.

[Anonymous No.15592732]

>>15592537
>>15592541
I'm not seeing you guys postulating alternatives here, or even briefly explaining why it would not make sense.

>>15592567
Myopic individualism. You'd sacrifice a better future and your genetic cluster for a longer leash (and only in some respects). Well done.

[Anonymous No.15592735]

>>15591113
In what universe is Umberto Eco right wing?

[Anonymous No.15592745]

>>15590830
Read badiou

[Anonymous No.15592748]

>>15592665
Well said. I view Third Position is a modern attempt to bring back Traditionalism. It may embrace industrialism as it kind of has too, but everything else is pretty traditionalist. I view it like Evola.

[Anonymous No.15592766]

>>15592748
Because it is, it tries to combine what can be combined from Traditionalism with the current Modern world. Evola criticized both Italian Fascism and National Sociliasts for not going too far but was rather fond of the Romanian Iron Guard, though.

[Anonymous No.15592774]

>>15592732
I did mention the most obvious alternative, which is monarchism. In the 21st century styling yourself as a king might be a bit much, but the removal of the mass politics associated with Fascism isn't unthinkable.

[Anonymous No.15592787]

>>15591109
This. You should also throw Guenon in there.

[Anonymous No.15592810]

>>15592774
You could go for ancap "covenant community" and make that community fascistic as fuck.

[Anonymous No.15592834]

>>15592810
Ancap ideology is incoherent. For that matter so is absolute monarchism, the monarch has never had total power in the way some people imagine. But there is having to contend with the people, and there is purposefully riling them up through propaganda to mass behavior.

[Anonymous No.15592850]

>>15592670
Riggght....And that has nothing to do with being occupied and indoctrinated. What a retard.

>>15592680
It's the most important fraction. Those 'racist wignats' are understandably frustrated and angry about the anti-white war waged against them. You shouldn't be throwing them under the bus. It's much easier to respect other races when they aren't invading your nation and disrespecting yours.

[Anonymous No.15592861]

>>15590830
I don’t think there is such a thing as right wing theory, like there is left wing theory. The world isn’t very “right wing” anymore outside of dictatorships. Unless of course you adopt the liberal belief that being a racist conservative makes you right wing.

[Anonymous No.15592869]

Nietzsche, Carlyle, Plato maybe? also pro-monarchy stuff

[Anonymous No.15592910]

>>15592701
>these people claming they are fascists are just larpers
Which people? Quote them.

>>15592774
Fair enough. Still, that's an authoritarian governance which would have to restrain liberalism and capitalism to remain stable... So it doesn't seem very different from my perspective. Also, thinking there's no 'mass politics' involved with monarchism seems a tad naive to me (especially with modern population density and information technologies).

[Anonymous No.15592914]

>>15592850
Portugal, skorea, taiwan?

[Anonymous No.15592943]

>>15592910
>So it doesn't seem very different from my perspective. Also, thinking there's no 'mass politics' involved with monarchism seems a tad naive to me
It's an important distinction, even if it's not a complete binary. Fascists legitimized their government through propaganda about the will of the people, and they agitated the masses to extreme degrees. We barely have any monarchical type regimes to look at today, but there are places like KSA, or soft versions, nominally democratic/republican like Singapore.

It would at least be interesting to see the result of such a government in a western country, just for the sake of diversity.

[Anonymous No.15592945]

>>15592914
>Portugal, skorea
Both have U.S. military bases to this day.

>taiwan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Taiwan_Defense_Command

[Anonymous No.15592954]

>>15592945
Because they were allies. Kissinger wanted them to remain fascist. They transformed of their own accord

[Anonymous No.15592979]

>>15591113
>(Right-Wing socialism) reject(s) the key Marxist concept of class struggle
So it's not socialism at all?

[Anonymous No.15593004]

>>15592943
I agree, it would be interesting (and I'm sure it would be an improvement). I think getting there in the hyper-liberal west would require something like a military coup though (if you're not going to 'agitate the masses').

[Anonymous No.15593015]

>>15592954
>whatisglobohomo

[Anonymous No.15593023]

>>15593015
Sucks to suck friend your argument is wrong

[Anonymous No.15593027]

>>15590897
people kept hyping up can life prevail as some kind of siege-tier radical ecofascist manifesto. it's just an old finnish man talking about eating mold and unrefrigerated fish, interspersed with blackpilled deep ecology and ornithology.

[Anonymous No.15593160]

>>15593023
>your argument is wrong
So you say. You've done a very poor job of demonstrating it.

But hey, I'll acknowledge possibility that liberalism+capitalism are essentially an open Pandora's box. I just don't see any choice but to at least try to restrain those forces for the good of my people. It's always better to be an aspirant than a fatalist.

[Anonymous No.15593264]

>>15590830
schmitt, sorel, gentile for theory.
codreanu, mishima, mosley, devi, and burzum records for sentimentalism & apology (which is at the core of fascism, it is nothing without myth & feeling).

[Anonymous No.15593277]

>>15593160
Fascism is still liberalism. It's truth from the people as defined by the state instead of as the individual in collection. Marxism is truth is through the worker class. It's all crap that's insanely similar to each other metaphysically

[Anonymous No.15593280]

>>15593027
the end of the book is where he gets extremely edgy with his political proposals. he also praises the 9/11 attackers, quotes goebbels, advocates forced abortions and other eugenic practices throughout, etc. he does talk alot about the things he is an expert on, but it's all to demonstrate a point about the necessity of radical solutions to the problems of americanism.

[Anonymous No.15593292]

>>15593027
yeah linkola is pretty much trash

[Anonymous No.15593304]

for reactionary stuff
"ideas have consequences" by weaver is a must

[Anonymous No.15593365]

For fascism, you have to understand it's politics (which is segmented into various works all across the world) and worldview.
For politics, Plato's Republic (Fascism is nothing more than Platonic socialism applied to the modern age politically).
First, read the Codex Fascismo series entirely, they are a collection of fascist works that are pretty hard to find, and all of it translated to english, and then Sorel if you want to know the main point of divergence.
Then, you have to go for National Socialism.
Everything by Tonnies, then, everything by Gottfried Feder and lastly Goebbels.

Now that you understand fascist politics, you have to understand the fascist weltanschaaung. For this, go primarily for Nietzsche, Hegel and Bergson, and build up from that. Additionally, if you know spanish, the best work to understand fascism existing is Thule, La cultura de la otra Europa (If you read this you can literally skip most of the process above mentioned).

[Anonymous No.15593374]

>>15593277
It's restrained liberalism (and capitalism). It's the recognition that these forces, while very useful, must be subordinated to higher values. It views class as a natural order.

I don't know what you're rambling about re: truth, but the mention of metaphysics suggests to me that mysticism will soon rear its incohate head.

[Anonymous No.15593581]

>>15593365
There you have a source for the book I mentioned.
https://es.scribd.com/document/57137580/Thule-La-Cultura-de-La-Otra-Europa

[Anonymous No.15593641]

I esteem the modern error, That all goes by self-interest and the checking and balancing of greedy knaveries, and that in short, there is nothing divine whatever in the association of men, a still more despicable error, natural as it is to an unbelieving century, than that of a "divine right" in people called Kings. I say, Find me the true Konning, King, or Able-man, and he has a divine right over me.

To me, in these circumstances, that of "Hero-worship" becomes a fact inexpressibly precious; the most solacing fact one sees in the world at present. There is an everlasting hope in it for the management of the world. Had all traditions, arrangements, creeds, societies that men ever instituted, sunk away, this would remain. The certainty of Heroes being sent us; our faculty, our necessity, to reverence Heroes when sent: it shines like a polestar through smoke-clouds, dust-clouds, and all manner of down-rushing and conflagration.

"Detect quacks"? Yes do, for Heaven's sake; but know withal the men that are to be trusted! Till we know that, what is all our knowledge; how shall we even so much as "detect"? For the vulpine sharpness, which considers itself to be knowledge, and "detects" in that fashion, is far mistaken. Dupes indeed are many: but, of all dupes, there is none so fatally situated as he who lives in undue terror of being duped.

The sincere alone can recognize sincerity. Not a Hero only is needed, but a world fit for him;
We shall either learn to know a Hero, a true Governor and Captain, somewhat better, when we see him; or else go on to be forever governed by the Unheroic;—had we ballot-boxes clattering at every street-corner, there were no remedy in these.

[Anonymous No.15593682]

>>15593304
very based and very redpilled

>In the popular arena, one can tell ... that the average man ... imagines that an industrious acquisition of particulars will render him a man of knowledge. With what pathetic trust does he recite his facts! He has been told that knowledge is power, and knowledge consists of a great many small things.

[Anonymous No.15593771]

>>15592735
I think the person who made the chart was just using foucaults pendulum to gatekeep the gnostlets and occult bullshit. More about the books message than political stance

[Anonymous No.15594672]

>>15590993
I happen to love trannies and neverending faggotry

[Anonymous No.15594686]

What are some good books about race mixing.

[Anonymous No.15594694]

>>15590830
- Reactionary authors in the period of the French Revolution and the previous century
- Authors of the Conservative Revolutionary Movement, from the Interwar period
- French Nouvelle Droite (1960s to 1990s)

[Anonymous No.15594720]

>>15590830
>I've finished a tone of works by Deleuze/Marx/Freud/Baudrillars/Virilio
No you haven't. You haven't read any of these people for more than 30 minutes, why are you lying to strangers on an imageboard?

[Anonymous No.15594765]

>>15590830
Read anybody before the 20th century

[Anonymous No.15594771]

>>15594686
Chesnutt's The House Behind the Cedars

[Anonymous No.15594773]

>>15594720
>YOU DON'T READ! NO ONE ACTUALLY READS! PEOPLE JUST POST ABOUT READING HUHUH
quit projecting, just because you don't read doesn't mean everyone else is as lazy as you.

[Anonymous No.15594778]

>>15594773

>Lazy

Reading is literally sitting on your ass and staring at marked pieces of paper. It's the laziest hobby you could conceive.

[Anonymous No.15594887]

>>15594720
This, OP is either a schizo or lies on the internet for fun

[Anonymous No.15594967]

>>15590941
Evola is the first one I thought of. His writings is kind of all over the place. He also has really odd views on issues that had already been well established but he supported a meme tier ideology so you get what you get. Also his poetry fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.15594996]

>>15591529
Not gonna lie that last bit got me hard

[Anonymous No.15595039]

read the german romantics, the german idealists, nietzsche, heidegger, carlyle, schopenhauer, mishima, junger if you want to learn about the fascistic ‘postmodern’ right wing. (personally this is the kind of stuff i’m into)

traditionalist reactionary stuff starts with plato and aristotle then goes into St Augustine, Aquinas, Eliot, Chesterton, dostoyevsky, pretty much any non-american Christian writer prior to 19

[Anonymous No.15595064]

>>15594967
>Also his poetry fucking sucks
I have read all of his books available in English, given presentations on the fellow, and never once encountered a single piece of his poetry.

Where did you even find it?

[Anonymous No.15595146]

>>15590993
Implying there is anything more broken than fascism. It's not even a coherent worldview, you just let strongmen to order you around

[Anonymous No.15595162]

>>15595146
>you just let strongmen to order you around
and that's not coherent word order

[Anonymous No.15595177]

>>15595039
great recommendations, i also recommend the entire conservative revolution, start with armin mohler's book on it and branch out from there to anything you find interesting

moeller van den bruck for example

[Anonymous No.15595200]

>>15595162
Maybe for the ruling class.

[Anonymous No.15595235]

>>15590941
Why is Gentile cringe?

[Anonymous No.15595244]

>>15591113
the two charts are retarded and were clearly made my someone who has not read most of the books he is suggesting

[Anonymous No.15595256]

>>15591529
Damn, Adorno really said, "there are two types of students: jocks and nerds"

[Anonymous No.15595282]

>>15595146
Why do people insist on this being the case? Absolutely absurd.

Fascism is in the soul. It -is- a soul.

[Anonymous No.15595288]

>>15591113
>Fascism is not Third Position
> Evola is listed among Fascist literature despite saying he was not a part or thought low of it in general.

Please /lit/ bros go outside and dont bother talking politically to people on here. Communist or Fascist you need to go and try to be active in real life political

[Anonymous No.15595318]

>>15592520
Fascism is cringe not because it's authoritarian, but because of its mass/democratic politics

[Anonymous No.15595323]

>>15591950
Absolutely mimetic

[Anonymous No.15595332]

>>15591481
Explain how he isn't

[Anonymous No.15595449]

>>15595282
If fascists started saying things of substance instead of loaded poetic language like "fascism is a soul" maybe that perception would change. Can you even define your ideology with actual political terminology?
inb4 Wikipedia definition

[Anonymous No.15595758]

>>15595318
That's a pretty lame objection. 'Democracy' and 'mass politics' are heavily qualified in a one-party, ethnically homogenous, patriarchal, authoritarian state. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>15595449
That's fucking rich. There are several substantive comments here from the 'pro' and 'thinking about it' crowd, but the opposed comments are nearly all knee-jerk uninformed responses/shitposts. This is routinely the case in such threads.

[Anonymous No.15595774]

>>15591109
None of those are Fascist.

[Anonymous No.15595866]

>>15590830
Gentile for fascism by itself, Faye is a good introduction to the new right(Benoist is more interesting in general though).

[Anonymous No.15595926]

>>15595758
I can't really blame anyone for not taking fascism seriously, there are barely even any philosophers who support it. And even yourself are dodging my question about concretely defining fascism. It's almost like there is no coherent philosophy underneath the pretentious rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.15596257]

>>15595926
It's been defined. It's almost like you haven't read the thread.

[Anonymous No.15596564]

>>15592330
Better not to be a reactionary.

[Anonymous No.15596592]

>>15596257
Do you have any thoughts of your own, all your responses are something like "other people have addressed this point". I am talking with you, I am not going to survey through a hundred shitposts to see what everyone's input is. But I understand that you have to keep dodging the question since you can't even define your political ideology.

[Anonymous No.15596611]

>>15592735
I suspect Umberto Eco would be considered right wing, as in reactionary, nowadays.

[Anonymous No.15596626]

>>15590830
>finished a ton of works by Deleuze/Marx/Freud/Baudrillard/Virilio
>still subscribes to something as dubious as a left/right distinction
You have not read any of those people, come back when you pick up a fucking book

[Anonymous No.15596639]

>>15592732
>your genetic cluster
Not a right-wing position

[Anonymous No.15596657]

>>15596626
I could posit it in a different language but the way I wrote it is the best way to communicate my idea to 4chan.
>hurt durr you talk wrong you don’t read book

[Anonymous No.15596670]

lot of kneejerk reactions from pedants that can't believe people with different opinions might have read as much as they did (assuming they do read books)

[Anonymous No.15596682]

>>15590830
Many "left-wing" theorists can be viewed through far-right lenses.
Baudrillard is a prime example, if you've actually read the man you'd know how critical he became of Marxism and the notion of class struggle

[Anonymous No.15596690]

>>15596682
He became critical of any revolutionary action and crit theory as a whole, regardless of a given political siding of it. Virilio is much the same and imo their work from the 90s was their most interesting

[Anonymous No.15596696]

>>15594887
More of a Lacanian neurotic than his schizo desu

[Anonymous No.15596734]

>>15596670
>NOOOOOO YOU CANT READ DELEUZE THEN BE INTERESTED IN FASCISM NOOOOO YOU CANT READ FOUCAULT THEN DESIRE TRADITIONAL WESTERN SEXUALITY NOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.15597480]

>>15596682
Interesting

[Anonymous No.15598740]

>>15596682
Many right wingers agree with almost everything a Marxist says, they just don't think class struggle is the ONLY important thing or that waiting for a communist utopia is the only option for overturning capitalism.

Marxism is only enhanced by nationalization. The only reason average Marxists don't like nationalization is they see nations as bourgeois myths and cling to a utopian dream of "pure" internationalism, a world made up of only workers' councils. But nobody has ever really figured out how this would work, all they do is cross their fingers and see it as an ultimate victory condition. Why not just abandon it? Have a brotherhood of nations who work together to overthrow capitalism. That way you can use all the resources of nationhood, like ethnic and religious and cultural solidarity, to resist capitalism.

Even orthodox Marxists admit that lumpenproletariats are the surest way to kill a movement and that modern mass immigration is actually capitalists using the appearance of charity to import millions of people who dilute working class solidarity, ghettoize and atomize existing working class conditions, and have lower expectations for workers' rights because they are from shithole countries and anything is better by comparison. Most real Marxists are not happy about the flood of cheap labor into every market with any semblance of class consciousness. They also admit that class solidarity and class consciousness travels through existing culture, through parents educating their families, through people educating and collaborating in their communities and congregations. So why not take this to its logical conclusion, and say that a nation's culture is an ally of its working class interests? Mild national solidarity leads to dislike of a rapacious, internationally based finance class.

Get enough countries together who don't like rapacious, international financiers, and suddenly the financiers have nowhere to go, nowhere to take their capital. Suddenly all the networks of world capitalism and its lumpenprole-creation schemes collapse. Gee, it's almost like what a bunch of nations tried to do in the 1930s.

>This [mammonist] mindset is embodied and reaches its acme in international plutocracy. The chief source of power for Mammonism is the effortless and endless income that is produced through interest.

>Mammonism is the sinister, invisible, mysterious reign of the great international money-powers. Mammonism is however also a mindset; it is the worship of these money-powers on the part of all those who are infected with the Mammonistic poison.

>All of our tax-legislation is and remains, so long as we do not have liberation from enslavement to interest, only a tribute-obligation to big capital, and not, as we would imagine, a voluntary sacrifice for the accomplishment of labor for the community.

[Anonymous No.15598871]

>>15593641
the most astounding thing, to me, about the pic you posted has always been that its a quote by a hungarian jew who could not help himself when talking about the creator of a nazi collaborator regime. now codreanu was dead during ww2 but youd think this jew would have atleast something bad to say about the head of the iron legion

[Anonymous No.15599236]

>>15596592
Why do you oppose it, if you don't know what it is?

[Anonymous No.15599304]

>>15590830
read works of Joseph de Maistre, Carl Schmitt, julius evola, Martin Heidegger, Oswald Spengler, Ernst Jünger, Francis Parker Yockey, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Nick Lands, Curtis Yarvin and René Guénon
p.s also Hoppe, Hayak, Rothbard. Samuel Francis and Thomas Hobbes are based too

[Anonymous No.15599415]

>>15590830
Deleuze made me realize fascism is an unavoidable material reality as long as technology continues to develop.

[Anonymous No.15599445]

>>15592665
>it respects the values of the culture that was the expression of a people's ancestry and their sacrifice and it also puts technology and science to obtain the goals of the community
oximoron

[Anonymous No.15599901]

>>15590941
>>15594967
speaking of evola. heres a reading guide

[Anonymous No.15599942]

>>15595774
i know

[Anonymous No.15599967]

>>15591529
Fag post

[Anonymous No.15600277]

>>15599304
Is schmitt good? He seems like a cool add on to hobbes, I was thinking of picking up a copy of political theology.

[Anonymous No.15600314]

>>15600277
Yes, the most important political thinker of the 20c prob

[Anonymous No.15600425]

>>15596626
>>15596682
NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE AUTHOR SAYS!!!

[Anonymous No.15600440]

>>15590830
schmitt and strauss

[Anonymous No.15601104]

>>15592520
>all right wing authoritarianism is fascism
Read a book stupid nigger

[Anonymous No.15601118]

>>15590830
There's not much in the way of fascist theory. I guess the Doctrine of Fascism, Gentile, Mein Kampf, Myth of the 20th Century (which Hitler didn't even read), and other shit like that. What's far more interesting is the Conservative Revolution which gives you Schmitt, Junger, Spengler, and other interesting authors. The NSDAP appropriated a fair amount from them.

[Anonymous No.15601124]

>>15600277
Schmitt is essential reading for the politically aware. Start with Concept of the Political, it's a quick read and most his stuff builds on that.

[Anonymous No.15601127]

Why is order so fucking appealing bros

[Anonymous No.15601139]

>>15599304
>Joseph de Maistre, Carl Schmitt, julius evola, Martin Heidegger, Oswald Spengler, Ernst Jünger, Francis Parker Yockey, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Nick Lands, Curtis Yarvin and René Guénon
>p.s also Hoppe, Hayak, Rothbard. Samuel Francis and Thomas Hobbes
Congrats, you managed to list a grand total of one fascist, three neoliberals, and two traditionalists.

[Anonymous No.15601148]

>>15592330
Lol did you forget about 1945? Also you're a moron because going back to monarchy is reactionary which fascism isn't.

[Anonymous No.15601150]

>>15599304
Good list, ultimately the best way to combat faggots is to be educated. Not big on the libertarians myself but worth reading just in case you are.

>>15600277
He's great, get Concept of the Political and Nomos of the Earth too.

[Anonymous No.15601153]

>>15592317
>And no a military defeat does not negate its benefits.
Fascism's historical epoch came to an end because of it. It's all in the rearview mirror.

[Anonymous No.15601164]

>>15590993
>antigay
>natsoc

[Anonymous No.15601235]

>>15601104
>one should continue to cleave to the right/left dichotomy
Congratulations, you're a fucking idiot. Besides which, do you honestly think an authoritarian governance that explicitly sought to restrain liberalism/capitalism (without abstaining from them) and protect ethnos would be de facto different from fascism?

[Anonymous No.15601244]

>>15601235
>literally used right wing in the post
>gets assmad someone else used it
>do you honestly think an authoritarian governance that explicitly sought to restrain liberalism/capitalism (without abstaining from them) and protect ethnos would be de facto different from fascism?
Yes, unless you think Mao was a fascist.

[Anonymous No.15601248]

>>15601164
>take antique shitpost seriously

[Anonymous No.15601253]

>>15601248
Sorry, anon, I don't make the rules

[Anonymous No.15601318]

>>15601244
The point is that fascism isn't particularly 'right-wing', and the post wasn't suggesting that remaining rw is a solution.

>unless you think Mao was a fascist
I don't think he qualifies as a capitalist (or a restrained liberal) anon.

[Anonymous No.15601357]

>>15601318
I don't think left and right are good terms to classify ideologies and only describe tendencies, however the poster I replied to used the term, which was the context of the conversation. Fascists did abstain from liberalism and capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15601389]

>>15601357
>Fascists did abstain from liberalism and capitalism
Wrong. Fascism is liberal and capitalist, but it wisely subordinates these forces to higher values. You have outed yourself as completely uninformed on this topic.

>however the poster I replied to used the term, which was the context of the conversation
That post was replying to another post which used the term, and the context of the conversation is fascist or right-wing (according to OP, although it does seem that he is conflating the two). Anyway, it has become clear that you are attempting to seize on semantics because you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.15601427]

>>15601389
>Fascism is liberal
You can sort of reasonably claim fascism is still capitalist, but claiming that fascism is liberal is flat out retarded. Fascism does not share the concerns for individual rights and private property necessary for liberalism.
>You have outed yourself as completely uninformed on this topic.
I swear this board is the king of projection, I don't see this level of it anywhere else.
>it has become clear that you are attempting to seize on semantics because you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
I'm not seizing on semantics, merely explaining why I said something.
>you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
pic related

[Anonymous No.15601487]

>>15601427
>Fascism does not share the concerns for individual rights
It does, it just doesn't prioritize them over the collective or to the same extent. You are working with a 'caricature' understanding of fascism (of course you don't care to understand it, you just oppose the people interested in it or you're following your cultural conditioning). Fascism is inherently European, and so inherently liberal.

You're a pseud.

[Anonymous No.15601550]

>>15601487
>It does
Which fascist authors expressed support for individual rights and in what specific works?
>Fascism is inherently European
And you have the gall to call others pseuds
>so inherently liberal
>Europe is inherently liberal despite a long history of pre-liberal tradition and modern illiberalism is on the rise.

[Anonymous No.15601562]

>all these retards talking about shit they know nothing about
Thanks for reminding me why i left 4chan.
Anyway, since you're pretentious retards who can't fucking use search engines, i guess i'll have to lead you by the hand.
https://anon.cafe/fascist/res/4.html

[Anonymous No.15601733]

>>15601148
Good luck getting people to accept a king, especially in colonial states. Fascism is reactionary and can be rebranded to succeed.

[Anonymous No.15601814]

>>15601733
I'm not a monarchists
>if we just repaint it a different color people will like something beyond antiquated.

[Anonymous No.15602107]

>>15596626
This.

[Anonymous No.15602194]

>>15590842
fpbp

[Anonymous No.15602320]

>>15601487
>Fascism is inherently European, and so inherently liberal.
I have been coming around to this lately after reading a lot of literature about how true fascism is not totalitarian, except maybe in states of total war.

[Anonymous No.15602452]

>>15601550
There were private property rights under fascism, and one still had 'rights' insofar as a legal system to protect you from the trespasses of other individuals. The obvious difference being, that a fascist system is less reticent to reign in a wider scope of liberties, as it pursues a more 'hands-on' philosophy of protecting the public interest.

Liberalism really crystallized in Europe, and has subsequently been promulgated from the West. A pre-liberal tradition doesn't negate that, nor will anti-liberal reaction ever make Europeans truly non-liberal. We are simply more individualistic on a genetic level (this is well acknowledged by psychometricians). It is our blessing and our curse.

You are resolved to view fascism as a bogey-man, and your superficial arguments reflect that.

[Anonymous No.15602480]

>>15602452
>one still had 'rights' insofar as a legal system to protect you from the trespasses of other individuals.
The Soviet Union had this as well, is communism liberalism?
>has subsequently been promulgated from the West. A pre-liberal tradition doesn't negate that, nor will anti-liberal reaction ever make Europeans truly non-liberal. We are simply more individualistic on a genetic level (this is well acknowledged by psychometricians). It is our blessing and our curse.
If you had said specifically Northwest Europe or Anglo Saxons in particular, I wouldn't have argued against that. Much of Europe is not naturally liberal at all.
>You are resolved to view fascism as a bogey-man, and your superficial arguments reflect that.
I do not view fascism as inherently more or less evil than any other ideology. Fascism's anti-liberalism is one of the few things I appreciate about it as an ideology.

[Anonymous No.15602629]

>>15602320
Indeed. It is certainly authoritarian and patriarchal, but it need not be totalitarian. There is still a love of the arts, celebration of individual excellence and innovation, reverence for the family unit... Anti-progressive (in the whig sense) most definitely, but it can't be truly non-liberal.

[Anonymous No.15602741]

Two questions first, which is the best version of Mein Kampf to read for neo-nazis? I don't want some jewed version full of annotations and trigger warnings. Also what is the quickest path to getting into some fascist books? Im lazy and don't have time to read dozens of books. I can read a book a month if I try hard enough. I also don't like philosophy because I have to re-read everything 3-4 times and take notes. Its boring and hard work.

[Anonymous No.15602756]

>>15602480
>is communism liberalism?
There is a clear difference between 'liberalism' as an ideological goal and a naturally liberal people adopting a liberalism-restraining ideology. I am not saying that fascism is liberalism, I am saying that it is necessarily somewhat liberal because of the European value-systems it seeks to elevate. The devil is — as always — in the details.

>Much of Europe is not naturally liberal at all.
I agree that behavioural tendencies are by no means uniform throughout European populations; however, surveying the history of European philosophy, art and society tells me that the whole of Europe has been relatively more liberal than the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.15602833]

>>15602756
>European value-systems it seeks to elevate
What does this mean? Europeans don't have universal values. A Croat has a very different sense of morality and culture than a Swede or a Spaniard.
>the whole of Europe has been relatively more liberal than the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.15602841]

>>15602741
Stalag is the best on its own, Ford is the best for brainlets who don't have the historical context.

[Anonymous No.15602845]

>>15602741
Read For My Legionaries or a history of the Iron Guard movement

Read Stanley Payne's Falange

Those might give you things to work with that are both practical and idealistic

[Anonymous No.15602852]

>>15602320
Italian Fascism was totalitarian in the sense that the state had total domination over all other aspects of life, but it generally was not the same type of authoritarianism we saw in the Soviet Union and 3rd Reich.

[Anonymous No.15602856]

Fellow fascists, can we all have a moment to appreciate how fucking good the Stern gang's anthem is regardless of your opinion on Jews?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u5Z0GZ1WsE

[Anonymous No.15602863]

>>15602856
Antisemitism wasn't a feature of all historical fascism, the Lehi are part of the fascist tradition.

[Anonymous No.15602872]

>>15598740
An excellent post.

[Anonymous No.15602877]

>>15601127
Ratios mang

[Anonymous No.15602883]

>>15601127
Disorder is the most frightening and uncomfortable thing for humans. People will accept tyrants, gangsters, and jihadists over chaos.

[Anonymous No.15603001]

>>15602741
Here's a .pdf of 'The New Ford Translation': http://der-fuehrer.org/meinkampf/english/Mein%20Kampf%20(Ford%20Translation).pdf

Apparently the original German edition was spicier, but I don't think you can get an unedited version of that (at least not without a litany of hand-wringing annotations).

Here's some more stuff to snatch from archive.org (do it soon, I don't know if the lawsuit is going to effect their entire book service):

https://archive.org/details/tenpointsoswaldmosley
https://archive.org/details/OriginsAndDoctrineOfFascismGiovanniGentile
https://archive.org/details/TheDoctrineOfFascismByBenitoMussolini
https://ia801509.us.archive.org/3/items/for-my-legionaries/ForMyLegionaries.pdf
https://archive.org/details/TheAwakeningOfANationalSocialist
https://archive.org/details/IronmarchSquiresTrial
https://archive.org/details/JamesMasonSIEGE3rdEdition

You don't have to get deep into philosophy if that's not your strong suit... Fascism is a very grounded ideology. Don't be lazy in general, though.

[Anonymous No.15603010]

>>15603001
>archive.org
Oh no no no

[Anonymous No.15603047]

>>15602833
>Europeans don't have universal values.
That's why I pluralized it "value-system(s)". I suppose I'm expecting too much of you... Nuance is something lost to you, or perhaps intentionally spurned for the sake of petulant debate.

Europeans in general do have that creative/innovative individualistic streak more prominently than non-European populations. There is certainly variance of the relevant traits within the European cluster, but that variance is of a relatively smaller magnitude compared to populations outside of it.

[Anonymous No.15603050]

>>15603047
>creative/innovative individualistic streak
You just keep generalizing out the ass. None of that holds true in Eastern Europe.

[Anonymous No.15603075]

>>15592670
japan is still authoritarian
come here and find out

[Anonymous No.15603082]

>>15603050
Looking at their history of excellent music/art, I'd have to disagree.

I'm done with you. Your consistently low-effort objections aren't worth my time.

[Anonymous No.15603091]

>>15603082
>Looking at their history of excellent music/art, I'd have to disagree.
>I'm done with you. Your consistently low-effort objections aren't worth my time.

[Anonymous No.15603309]

>>15599236
If you ask the follower of any political ideology to define their belief, it is a trivial matter. Except for fascists, as it is evident from your continuous dodging during our exchange. Everyone can see you have no leg to stand on.

[Anonymous No.15603375]

Give me some books on racial science

[Anonymous No.15603425]

>>15603309
If you'd asked for a definition in a good natured manner, I'd have happily obliged. But it is evident that you instead came to this thread to disparage an ideology you know little about. Aside from that, I have defined various aspects of fascism in this thread, and the essential literature has been listed/linked to... It's all there for you if you're genuinely interested.

Your gaslighting is silly. Anyone who bothers to survey the thread will see that it is the detractors who are ill-informed and prone to superficial, rhetorical posts.

[Anonymous No.15603731]

>>15591529
>Totalitarianism and homosexuality belong together.
>America, one of the least totalitarian countries, is gay as fuck.

Really makes you think

[Anonymous No.15605147]

>>15592850
>anti white war
oh i am laffin

[Anonymous No.15605816]

>>15592850
wh*tes deserve everything they get

now kneel, bitch

[Anonymous No.15606012]

>>15593277
Marxism has the same fucking problem. Read Nemesis by Bond.

[Anonymous No.15606090]

>>15603425
>If you'd asked for a definition in a good natured manner, I'd have happily obliged.
Or maybe you wouldn't. You have posted about 10 replies so far and you dodged the question every single time. If you have nothing to say spare me of your autism already.

>Your gaslighting is silly.
And you should learn to open the dictionary before using big boy words

[Anonymous No.15607293]

>>15605147
>>15605816
>>15606090

Behold, the voices of reason and intelligence,

[Anonymous No.15607949]

>>15606090
Not that guy, but please shut the fuck up. You're not adding anything of substance. All you're doing is acting like a child throwing a tantrum.

[Anonymous No.15608343]

>>15591317
the virgin centrist vs the CHAD apolitical

[Anonymous No.15608368]

>>15591113
Is Spengler really fascist? I’m not getting that vibe from DotW

[Anonymous No.15608379]

>>15590830
There's no such thing, fascism is inherently anti-intellectual and non-scientific.

[Anonymous No.15608431]

>>15603731
Go post "I hate niggers" on your facebook page and we can see if you get banned from social media, fired from your job, expelled from you school, etc.

[Anonymous No.15608530]

>>15608379

[Anonymous No.15608581]

>>15608379

[Anonymous No.15608607]

Lol at this thread, the only thing not cringe to you faggots is nigger and homophile worship

[Anonymous No.15608669]

how do i get a gf like that. she's so cute, I love pale brunette girls so much. fuck i'm so lonely

[Anonymous No.15608724]

>>15592850
>It's much easier to respect other races when they aren't invading your nation and disrespecting yours.
Wew lad, sorry to burst your bubble but if there is an anti white war, we definitely threw the first hundred stones. Not saying we should be guilt ridden faggots that degrade ourselves and elevate others, but dont act like we have the moral high ground. Its pure self interest, as it should be.

[Anonymous No.15608742]

>>15608431
He's still got a point. Severe opposition of homosexuality (execution and such) seems to be more a matter of religious zeal, but it can't be denied that homosexual 'rights' (if any) are far more limited in explicitly totalitarian nations. Furthermore, the U.S. arrived at it's currently pozzed state through vectors of democracy/progressivism, and the predictable inversion of tolerance doesn't change that.

[Anonymous No.15608776]

>>15603731
The US is totalitarian, liberalism is now encompassing all aspects of society now.

[Anonymous No.15608798]

>>15603091
Post another soi image, faggot

[Anonymous No.15608831]

i want to finger girl in op pic until she cums then fuck her until she cums again

[Anonymous No.15608855]

>>15608798
>Post another soi image, faggot

[Anonymous No.15608865]

>>15591529
Verbose cope. They write this elegantly just for it to fall flat on its face in reality.

[Anonymous No.15608883]

>>15591529
>The opposites of the strong man and the compliant youth merge in an order which asserts unalloyed the male principle of domination.
Sounds pretty alloyed with homolust to me m8, wouldnt just beating another guy to death or enslaving him be the real pure assertion of dominance.

[Anonymous No.15608924]

>>15608742
A regime's position on gay rights has nothing to do with whether it is totalitarian. Feasibly you could have a state that is totalitarian and gay supremacist. Unless you're going to argue that Germany wasn't totalitarian then it really doesn't seem to matter how a state becomes totalitarian. That the American people voted to live under a totalitarian system says nothing about the totalitarian state of that system.

[Anonymous No.15608925]

>>15608724
>we definitely threw the first hundred stones
We also made possible higher standards of living, and the very existence of several new mixed ethnicities. It's also obvious that if the technological capacities had been reversed, they would have thrown those stones too (and in far more brutal fashion).

We do have the moral high ground, because we're at least honest about what's going on. Anti-whites typically lie, cheat and employ double-standards to further their interests.

[Anonymous No.15608968]

>>15608776
>now

>>15608924
The point is that in practice — looking at the world as it actually is — the more totalitarian states are far less supportive of 'gay rights'. Your hypothetical gymnastics don't change that, and this observation is clearly at odds with the initial implication that totalitarianism is inherently gay (which you also appear to disagree with?).

[Anonymous No.15608985]

>>15608968
There were pre-liberal traditions which weren't saturated in liberalism. Also liberalism has historically functioned via disagreement from the political, but now liberalism saturates all aspects of society in its political vision.

[Anonymous No.15609001]

>>15608985
>what is a trajectory

[Anonymous No.15609091]

>>15608925
By your logic if i punch you in the face and then give you $20, you should be grateful. Also individuals from all races and all ideologies lie, cheat, double standard etc you're not seeing things objectively if you think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15609096]

>>15608968
I'm not the guy who posted the weird gay totalitarian post, I'm just disagreeing with the fact that you think America is not totalitarian. If you speak out against what our society values you will be entirely excluded every facet of it.

[Anonymous No.15610106]

>>15609091
>descendants being able to live in developed nations, infrastructure, education, access to medicine, in some cases the existence of a people are equivalent to $20
Reaching there.

>individuals
Indeed, but we're talking averages. On the whole, white advocates/nationalists are much more forthright about things. They have to be, because they're combating a false narrative.

>>15609096
Nuance. I didn't say that it definitively isn't. It's certainly headed that way, but totalitarianism was not the ideological intent of America.

[Anonymous No.15610351]

>>15610106
National socialism wasn't the ideological intent of Weimar Germany but it lead there regardless. What the intent of something was 250 years ago says nothing of where it actually went in that time.

[Anonymous No.15610523]

>>15609001
I don't disagree with that given liberalism's progressive tendencies but it is far more total than it was in the past

[Anonymous No.15611598]

>>15608985
What are these pre-liberal traditions?

[Anonymous No.15611610]

>>15607949
>You're not adding anything of substance.
There wasn't any substance to begin with, it's a fascist thread. I was actually asking for some substance you subhuman cretin.

[Anonymous No.15611619]

>>15592979
marxist socialism =/= socialism
socialism predates marx, imbecile

[Anonymous No.15611625]

>>15611598
Religion, cultural practices, etc.

[Anonymous No.15611637]

>>15609096
>I'm just disagreeing with the fact that you think America is not totalitarian. If you speak out against what our society values you will be entirely excluded every facet of it.
Wait, does this anon unironically think that freedom of association is totalitarian?

[Anonymous No.15611663]

>>15611637
Freedom of x is a liberal conception.

[Anonymous No.15611673]

>>15611663
What does that have to do with anything

[Anonymous No.15612292]

>>15592520
liberalism and capitalism is right wing

[Anonymous No.15612295]

>>15608855
no one:
absolutely nobody:
still nobody:
not a single soul:
literally no one:
not even big chungus:
not even keanu reeves:
random incel on 4chan: SOIJAK(500).JPG LOL I QUOTE YOU
[everyone disliked that]
baby yeed: wait that's illegal
brie larson: ok that was lowkey on point
pickle rick: *slaps roof of car* luke did i ever tell you about the time i turned myself into a pickle? it was an epic moment.
luke: *is retarded*
CIA: Bane?
sans undertale: hey don't google HP Lovecraft's cat name
[OP googles hp lovecrafts cat name]
CIA: congratulations you got yourself caught!
stan lee: *flies past in a spaceship* ooooh i dont care what universe you're from that's GOTTA HURT
[everyone laughed]
keanu reeves: you're breathtaking!
area 51 guards:i bet i can take keanu reeves
keanu reeves: you sure about that
keanu reeves: kills all area 51 guards
area 51:wait thats illegal
Everyone liked that
CIA: am I joke to you?
*Jeffrey Epstein kills himself*
Alt right incels: there's no way star wars can be good agai....
Baby Yeed: hold my beer
Big chungus joined the chat
Drumpf has left the chat
4chanlets: 'Yeah, I'm thinking this is kind of epic based pilled, maybe a bit of a coom moment?? Idk think I might post a frog.

[Anonymous No.15612488]

>>15612292
hence -restrain- not -abstain-

Also, I don't think right-wingers are generally considered socially liberal, and haven't been for some time.

[Anonymous No.15612667]

>>15612488
>I don't think right-wingers are generally considered socially liberal
>MUH BASED BLACK MAN
Liberalism is right wing through and through. Convincing Americans it was left wing to be a Liberal was once of the greatest deceptions pulled on the American working class

[Anonymous No.15612743]

I'm a National Marxian Communo-Fascist. What should I read?

[Anonymous No.15613083]

>>15612743
niekisch, feder, strasser

[Anonymous No.15613451]

>>15590830
Is it recommended to read these works before delving into fascism /lit/?

[Anonymous No.15613497]

>>15612667
Your example doesn't really make sense... If a 'conservative' is praising a black, it's typically because the black is pushing back against the liberal excess of his fellow blacks.

Anyway, liberalism is more like a force of nature... It's more fundamental than left/right dichotomy. Even in a population with less individualistic tendencies, it seems that liberal creep is inevitable once the average wealth hits a certain point (although I will concede that far-left economics are unlikely to generate such wealth).

[Anonymous No.15613508]

>>15592647
What's the name of this book ?

[Anonymous No.15613533]

>>15613497
American "conservatives" are just Liberals from 10 years ago. Liberalism is 100% a right wing ideology and our current dominate form of Liberalism was created by Thatcher and Reagan

[Anonymous No.15613535]

>>15612743
anything other than 4chan for starters

[Anonymous No.15613585]

>>15590830
There is no point on reading fascist literature, because none of them really care about what is fascism, fascism isn't like libertarianism, communism, or anarchism, where ideological purity matters, it is in the end just like center-right to center-left, where pragmatism is more important
You can see this if you know a bit of history, Italy's economic policies under Mussolini were all over the place, from being an almost Pinochet at the beginning to going full planned economy at the end of the war
Hitler's Germany isn't much different, their views on race would contradict a lot, tried to justify Japanese being almost Aryans and Russians being scorn, economically it was also all over the place
What should you read to understand fascist theory? Well, Evola? Gentile? Rosenberg? But does it matter? It won't help you to understand fascism, like the republican manifesto won't help you understand conservativism
In the end just go search some history books if you want to understand fascism, but theory of it is useless, even for fascists themselves

[Anonymous No.15613717]

>>15613585
This but for every ideology ever

[Anonymous No.15613748]

>>15613508
It's from this: https://arktos.com/product/why-we-fight/

And here's a brief article similarly examining Aristotle's political thought:
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/02/24/aristotle-on-immigration-diversity-and-democracy/

[Anonymous No.15613904]

>>15613533
Well, I can say let's go back to the French Revolution (which is where the 'left' & 'right' labels originated) and point out that the revolutionaries fighting for individualism and enlightenment ideals (the font of liberalism) were the left-wing.

It's not so simple, and the heart of liberalism is far more fundamental than any formal ideology (it's psychology and genetics). Your thinking is too parochial.