America against America

[Anonymous No.15558698]

This thread is for discussion of the untranslated magnum opus by Wang Huning, considered the Chinese response to Tocqueville's 'Democracy in America'.

America against America 《美国反对美国》 is a 1991 book published by Wang Huning, then a professor of International Relations at Fudan University in Shanghai, one of the most pre-eminent schools in the country. Wang turned out to be a bit of a political wunderkind - he gained the attention of some close allies of the then-head of state Jiang Zemin in the 1990s. He has headed the Central Policy Research Office of the Chinese Communist Party since 2002. He has been part of the Politburo Standing Committee since 2017, and he was appointed as the head of the Central Guidance Commission on Building Spiritual Civilization that same year. He has been a part of the administrations of Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao before Xi Jinping came to power, and it is unusual he would hold that office for so long given the expected turnover of personnel at that level. He is regarded by outside observers as one of the most influential theorists in the country.

In 1988, Wang was a visiting scholar in the United States for six months, spending the first three months at The University of Iowa, three weeks at Cal Berkeley, and traveled to many other universities. This experience led to his 1991 book America Against America.

[Anonymous No.15558710]

Foreigners love Democracy in America for some reason. Every single foreigner who thinks they have valuable input on American politics always references this book. Very odd

[Anonymous No.15558737]

>>15558698
Chinks astroturfing /lit/ i see.

[Anonymous No.15558748]

Wang Huning, Director of the Central Policy Research Office in the Chinese Communist Party, is President Xi Jinping’s foreign policy advisor and is referred to as “China’s Kissinger.” Wang is an expert in international relations who was the youngest person to become a professor at Fudan University in Shanghai. In 1995, at the age of 40, he was chosen to be an advisor for President Jiang Zemin, and he has continued to craft the ruling and diplomatic strategies for China’s next two leaders, Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping. For more than a decade, Wang has always been present when Chinese leaders have attended summits. He has been making one strategic move after another to solidify China’s “core interests” and to expand its influence in Asia while countering the US. But Wang is not the only brilliant strategist in Chinese diplomacy: there is also State Councilor Yang Jiechi and Foreign Minister Wang Yi, who is renowned for his dramatic diplomatic flourishes on the international stage.
>http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_editorial/810090.html
While his face might be unfamiliar to the public, his words will not be. Wang has been credited with being one of the architects of the “Chinese dream” concept, President Xi Jinping’s widely promoted vision for the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.
For the past 15 years, the 62-year-old academic-turned-politician has headed the Central Policy Research Office – a party think tank – combining the roles of national policy adviser, chief speech-writer and principal theorist to the country’s top leader.
>https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2116964/wang-huning-low-profile-liberal-dream-weaver-whos-about
In 1987, Wang published his first book, 国家主权(National Sovereignty), which is based on his master’s dissertation. The book traces the genesis and development of the concept of sovereignty through different epochs, from primitive society as described in the Epic of Gilgamesh, through the slave society of ancient Egypt, Babylonia, Assyria, Persia, India and China, then through Greek and Roman times down to the modern era when the concept was fully established by Bodin, Hobbes, Rousseau and Hegel. In tracing its conceptual evolution in Western thought, Wang compares sovereignty with the Chinese concept of zhuquan (主权). Referring to the power of the monarch and long predating the Western concept, the Chinese term was adopted by the master translator, Yan Fu (1854-1921), as the Chinese equivalent for sovereignty when translating the Spirit of the Laws by Montesqieu. Employing a Marxist approach, Wang points to the class-based nature of sovereignty, stating that supreme power is wielded by the ruling class of a given society and elaborates on its dual character as consisting in domestic supremacy and external independence.
>https://www.limesonline.com/en/wang-huning-xi-jinpings-reluctant-propagandist

[Anonymous No.15558792]

While browsing for information on the guy, I found translations of exerts from his book 'America against America' posted on SA forums.
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3903914
>Air China Flight CA985 passed through Tokyo Japan, over the rough and turbulent waters of the Pacific to San Francisco. Due to a flight delay, planes from Europe, Asia, and North America were all crowded together. On weekdays, the spacious luggage and customs halls are full and crowded with people, a boiling cauldron of voices. No matter where you come from, there is a feeling of excitement when arriving in the United States. The customs counters at the San Francisco Airport Immigration Office fall into three categories: first, US citizens, second, non-US citizens, and third, new immigrants. The first two entrances on the left are the entrances of American citizens, sparsely populated, showing the advantage of being a US citizen. Non-US citizens suddenly have a feeling of inferiority.

> Today's development in the United States, with its economic prosperity, its political process, its way of life, and its international status, has created great doubt in the world today. People in developed countries have this suspicion about how human science and material life have developed up to this point. Does it violate human nature? Will it lead to the earth's capital: the exhaustion of the source? Will it eventually lead to the destruction of mankind? The colleagues in the club of Rome are worried about this, and they sigh in worry. People in developing countries have very different doubts: What forces have created such a dazzling material civilization? What system has created good conditions for this development in management and intelligence? Is such a state accidental or inevitable? People began to doubt this system, and so people began to doubt their own system. In any case, the United States has created doubt.

> How is China's economic modernization to be realized? The most fundamental problem is that is there a process to complete economic modernization under the conditions of public ownership? Most developed countries in the world today are not public ownership. This reality gives people the biggest challenge to think over. The second is how political democracy develops. Does this keep in step with the economy, or not? These two major issues have become hot topics of discussion this year. One argument is that without political democracy, economic modernization cannot be achieved; one refutation is that Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea have no political democracy during the economic take-off phase, Hong Kong is colonial, and Taiwan is a one-party dictatorship. South Korea is led by a military official.

[Anonymous No.15558821]

> Economic development is only a phenomenon. [Political] concentration or democracy has the potential to promote or inhibit economic development. The matter of concern is what societal changes after economic development will be conducive to the development of political democracy. Because their economy does not develop, developing countries have no choice but to economically rely on developed countries, mainly in high-tech equipment, precision instruments and so on. However, depending on the stage of development of each country, such as African countries, they mainly need food to maintain basic living conditions. Whatever the need, the result is a special exchange mechanism: developing countries need to come up with the best things to exchange with developed countries. Therefore, the people of developing countries cannot enjoy the best products produced in the country, and even the second-class products cannot enjoy them, because the second-class products are to be consumed by foreigners who come to these countries.

> Products in various regions of the United States are available in China, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Jamaica, and Mexico. The best products from all over the world are flocking to the US market in exchange for the US dollar. Since everyone wants to get the US dollar and form a strong competition, the quality of the products is very high and the price is very low. This situation has caused unprecedented prosperity in the US market.

> This is the result of the market mechanism, and it is also the benefit of the United States dollar status determined by the Bretton Woods Conference after the Second World War. Of course, foreign products have entered the United States in large numbers, impacting the industry of the United States itself, causing factories to close down and increasing unemployment. This cannot be seen, so the two forces of free trade and protectionism have been fighting endlessly.

[Anonymous No.15558841]

>The development of a commodity economy has formed a dual structure of social governance: the system social self-organization is responsible for all kinds of specific affairs, and the political system is responsible for coordinating various self-organizing systems. This is a major feature of this society's macro-management. These are just a few examples, but one can't think that commodification will make things perfect. This simply means that commodification offers the possibility of reducing the government's administrative burden. If the government is involved in all of the affairs of the society, it will not work effectively. However, after the government is lightly loaded, it still has to control activities in various fields, but it has changed from direct to indirect control.

>Commodification has an astonishing power that drives forward people to every profitable place. The most typical examples like KFC, Hamburger (he does not specify a company here), Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Crest Toothpaste, Marlboro cigarettes, and the UPS Company can be found everywhere, even in very remote places. It can be said that as long as there is a copper coin to be gained somewhere, people will send goods and services there. Commodification not only promotes the circulation of goods to a considerable geographic extent, but also promotes balanced societal development, and drives commodity diversification, and pushing them out undeveloped area. This is the case in everyday retail goods as well as in high technology.

>Everything has a duality, and the grotesque phenomenon brought about by the high degree of commercialization abounds. Human bodies, sex, knowledge, politics, power, and law may all become the targets of commodification. The pornographic culture of 42nd Street in New York is probably a major product of commercialization. Commodification has corrupted society in many aspects, leading to many serious social problems. These problems, in turn, will increase the pressure on the political and administrative systems.

[Anonymous No.15558882]

This section on the Amish is of interests to the traditionalists and durganites who like to post here
>I am borrowing the word 'frontier' for this chapter, but these are places not so distant nor are they border regions. They are near modern cities. By 'frontiers' I mean areas where Amish people live. The Amish are a strange group. Their mean feature is the rejection of modernization, which is incompatible with advanced and developed science and technology, and they still maintain the traditional lifestyle of the 17th and 18 centuries. This is an interesting historical phenomenon. The modernization of western society has attracted and impacted the whole world, but it has not impacted the Amish people in front of us.

>Not far from Iowa City, about ten minutes by car, there is an Amish residential area called Kalona. With the questions I mentioned above, I came to this place. Just before entering Kalona, you can see 17th and 18th-century style carriages, horse-drawn buggies, and Amish people in black clothes. The highway here is also specially designed, and carriage lines are defined on the sides of the highway. Because Amish people do not accept modern cars, they have to ride a carriage. The relevant government departments took a lot of effort to convince them that the carriage was very dangerous on the highway. They were required to install a striking red sign behind the carriage to remind the drivers to pay attention.

>Over the years, despite the different changes in Amish society, the basic spirit of this group has not changed much. It is strange: why have such a powerful modern civilization failed to influence and transform them? Didn't Western civilization impact many very distant peoples?

>With this question in mind, I interviewed a writer living in Kolona called John M. Zielinski. He wrote a book called The Amish Across America. He replied: "Imagine a person who grew up in such an environment from an early age and received such a strict education from an early age. It is not easy for him to abandon some ideas. Also? Amish have no higher education and are not engaged in modern work skills, their training is hard work. They feel safest here." I think the last sentence is the most fundamental accumulated wisdom of the Amish. "On the other hand, the US Constitution guarantees them this right, and the government cannot force them to change their way of life and religion."

[Anonymous No.15558897]

>>15558882
>This is a social phenomenon that is really worth considering. In the heartland of global modernization, there are so many people who refuse to modernize. Their remoteness is not geographical, but psychological. They voluntarily separated themselves from modernization. From this we can draw a conclusion: if people refuse to internalize modernization, then modernization is difficult to intrude upon them. This phenomenon can be seen in different societies. The real power of modernization lies in a person's inner world.

>Another issue worth thinking about is "psychological safety." Amish people feel that their lifestyle provides the safest environment, and if it is changed it will be crisis and unrest. This psychological fear is also an important reason for their rejection of modernization. The modernization process is naturally a process of reforming the old social structure and a process of making a certain sense of security fade away. If people are afraid of the disappearance of a secure environment, modernization and even any social change will encounter tremendous resistance.

>In managing these contradictions, the methods and means used by society are arbitrary, and they do not insist on uniformity. Nor can they enforce uniformity. If the government forces the Amish to accept modernization, it will only put pressure on itself. There are many examples of Amishness in the United States. People in many places have their own way of life, which is incompatible with the mainstream of society, but they can exist. Part of the contradiction in society is resolved in this kind of eyes open and closed (I can't parse this, I'm sorry). No one blushes for the backwardness of the Amish, but thinks it is a typical reflection of the American spirit. Some management methods in American society are actually unmanaged. This is a more effective management method under certain conditions.

>When I returned, I saw a couple of old men and women rushing down a modern road. They were so relieved and contented. Is modernization wrong? The choice of any lifestyle is accompanied by the convenience and the price paid for it.

[Anonymous No.15558899]

Oh look, another untranslated, Dugin-type guy to fawn over.

[Anonymous No.15558909]

>>15558698
闭嘴傻屄

[Anonymous No.15558913]

Anyways I hope I've brought your attention to an author who deserves more attention in Western intellectual circles, despite being only partly translated. If anyone else has more information about this man, or can speak Chinese/Korean/Japanese language and provide information not available in English I would be very interested to learn more.

[Anonymous No.15558930]

>>15558710
Generally Americans are too submerged in pop-culture propaganda to have a nuanced understanding of how absolutely bizarre their society appears to outsiders.

[Anonymous No.15558957]

Great stuff, OP. Absolutely fascinating read! With all that's going on, I've been thinking a lot about the modernization of the US and just how hopeless the future seems. Do you know if he attempts to predict where the US is headed in his book?0

[Anonymous No.15558962]

Kinda confused as to why a prominent book by a prominent author wouldn't have and English translation produced by the CCP themselves. My English copy of Chairman Mao's little red book was produced by them

[Anonymous No.15558972]

>>15558957
No idea, check the SA forum. At the moment it seems like only the first chapter has been partially translated.
If you understand mandarin, there is an audiobook you can listen to
https://www.ximalaya.com/renwen/6090917/

[Anonymous No.15558977]

>>15558899
How else am I going to feel a spark of joy in my life if I can't imagine myself being some kind of geopolitical mastermind, slowly seeing my devious plans unfold with the ideas of various nefarious thinkers slowly guiding me towards the black sun, an orgasmic crescendo of planetary conflict and chaos

[Anonymous No.15558981]

>>15558698
I'm surprised at seeing a high quality thread on /lit/. Good stuff OP.

[Anonymous No.15558986]

[Anonymous No.15559007]

>>15558710
De Tocqueville was one of the first foreigners to seriously write about the US, and his book is popular both in the states and abroad. Why wouldn't they reference him?

[Anonymous No.15559031]

>https://www.limesonline.com/en/wang-huning-xi-jinpings-reluctant-propagandist
Going to post some more from this,informing his philosophical leanings and background
>In 1987, Wang published his first book, 国家主权(National Sovereignty), which is based on his master’s dissertation ... Referring to the power of the monarch and long predating the Western concept, the Chinese term was adopted by the master translator, Yan Fu (1854-1921), as the Chinese equivalent for sovereignty when translating the Spirit of the Laws by Montesqieu ...
>In addressing the internal aspect of sovereignty, he discusses the relationship between domestic supremacy and the separation of powers as advocated by Locke and adapted by Montesquieu. While Locke proposed the separation of legislative and executive powers to weaken monarchical authority and boost parliamentary power, according to Wang, Montesquieu championed the tripartite division of legislative, executive and judicial powers in order to curb the absolute dominance of the monarchy. Although the two differed in detail, they concurred in opposing the feudal ruling class in favour of the emerging capitalist class. The American system as a modern epitome of this philosophical tradition, however, was established on a land with no prior existence of a feudal ruling class. The separation of powers in the US, Wang contends, is premised on total rule by the capitalist class that controls the governing apparatus in exercising sovereignty.
>In canvassing the external aspect of sovereignty, Wang highlights its evolution through the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire, the assertion of autonomy by its constituents, the weakening of the Papacy by the Reformation of Martin Luther and Jean Calvin, and the theoretical contributions of Hugo Grotius in modern times. He also notes Jeremy Bentham and Immanuel Kant among others in envisioning some form of international organisation. Of more contemporary relevance is the concept of “one country, two systems” as applied to Hong Kong, which in Wang’s words is “based on an appropriate arrangement that balances sovereign rights and governing rights”, emanating from the indivisibility of sovereignty for a unified Chinese nation. Wang interprets A.V. Dicey’s expositions on constitutional law, Bertrand Russell’s advocacy for world government, and Stanley Hoffmann’s arguments for restraining sovereignty, as a countermove by Western authors worried about the loss of imperial control against the rising tide of post-war decolonisation in the Third World. Wang concludes by discussing the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, citing Marx, Engels and Lenin on the importance of national equality and self-determination.

[Anonymous No.15559041]

>>15558962
The little red book is state propaganda, America against America seems more like serious political commentary and also fairly self-critical of China.

[Anonymous No.15559048]

>>15558957
>With all that's going on, I've been thinking a lot about the modernization of the US and just how hopeless the future seems
What are your thoughts on the situation right now?

[Anonymous No.15559061]

>[Incidentally, although Wang majored in French in his pre-Fudan studies, he also acquired a decent level of English proficiency, a sample of which is his article “Recent changes in the political and administrative system in rural China”, published in the International Review of Administrative Sciences (1986, Vol. 52, pp. 151-171).]
Can somebody with access to university databases pull up a copy of this article? Would be interesting to read.

[Anonymous No.15559063]

>>15558710
Do Asians read Trollope's Domestic Manners of the Americans? There are many nuggets of truth in there.

[Anonymous No.15559084]

>>15559061
>university databases
Dude, that's like, so last century, man.
https://sci-hub tw/10.1177/002085238605200203

[Anonymous No.15559090]

I've heard of this guy before, does he have any books translated into English at all?

[Anonymous No.15559118]

posting in legendary halfway decent thread

[Anonymous No.15559121]

>>15559084
thanks bb.

[Anonymous No.15559153]

>>15558913
>that pic
virgin theory vs chad praxis lol

[Anonymous No.15559279]

>>15559090
I don't think so, just >>15559084 and the translations posted ITT. Where have you heard of him before?

[Anonymous No.15559293]

Don't know shit about this. Where do I start with Tocqueville?

[Anonymous No.15559299]

>>15559279
Twitter or maybe salo forum. Maybe I'll try to learn Chinese so I can translate all of these little-known-in-the-West Chinese thinkers who apparently shit all over liberalism like Huning and Jiang shigong

[Anonymous No.15559374]

>>15559293
Democracy in America is what everyone talks about when they talk about Tocqueville. Most people read exerts (but never the full book)in University, so in the Anglo world Tocqueville is essentially synonymous with his first book.

If you want to read about Tocqueville as a man, Recollections gives a charming and intimate portrait of him as a Parliamentarian running from one riot to the next, gun in his pocket, giving speeches and trying to calm the passions of the angry mob. In my opinion it is the best book to understand Tocqueville as a human being.

For the purpose of this thread, Tocqueville was a young aristocrat that traveled to America, he wrote an extremely comprehensive book on American democracy for the King which jump started his political career. Many state intellectuals have tried to copy this success, notably Kissinger in his publication of "A World Restored"and Huning as we are discussing now, but Tocqueville did it first and he did it best. Later he became the foremost French expert on Algeria during the colonization, and was an outspoken liberal critic which eventually got him barred from public life by Napoleon III.

[Anonymous No.15559387]

>>15559293
A history book or podcast about the period of French and European history that produced Tocqueville. He published Democracy in America shortly before Europe had its 1848 revolutions.
http://www.speeches-usa.com/Transcripts/alexis_deTocqueville-gale.html

>This, gentlemen, is my profound conviction: I believe that we are at this moment sleeping on a volcano. I am profoundly convinced of it
I was saying just now that this evil would sooner or later, I know not how or whence it will come, bring with it a most serious revolution: be assured that that is so.
When I come to investigate what, at different times, in different periods, among different peoples, has been the effective cause that has brought about the downfall of the governing classes, I perceive this or that event, man, or accidental or superficial cause; but, believe me, the real reason, the effective reason that causes men to lose political power is that they have become unworthy to retain it.

[Anonymous No.15559388]

>>15559299
>Jiang shigong
Never head of him before. What's his deal?

[Anonymous No.15559431]

>>15559387
that's a great speech.

[Anonymous No.15559445]

>>15559007
Maybe because it is outdated by over 200 years lol...
Imagine referencing a book on chinese politics 200 years ago for their politics today. It would be absurd

[Anonymous No.15559461]

>>15559041
You sure about that? Anything associated with the CCP is usually just a Potemkin.

[Alexis de Tocqueville No.15559524]

>>15559445
>Imagine referencing a book on chinese politics 200 years ago for their politics today. It would be absurd
Chinese politics have undergone considerable structural changes over the last 200 years. American government has remained largely the same.

[Anonymous No.15559626]

>>15559445
Chinese government has gone through massive changes in the last 200 years. American government has remained almost identical. It's a false equivalency.

[Anonymous No.15559667]

>>15559524
This reads much more like a sheltered 4chan user's perspective on internet political culture rather than a Canadian's view on America. If anything, I'd say the whig view of history is stronger in Commonwealth countries than in America. Americans hold to a sort of mos maiorum based in formative events and documents. Things like Manifest Destiny and the so-called scientific and technological progressivism of America are explicated as being a result of these foundation myths rather than the whole thing being an intermediate step in some greater historical dialectic.

[Anonymous No.15559710]

>>15559667
Internet political culture IS american culture these days.

[Anonymous No.15559752]

>>15559710
Only a small slice of it. If the culture of America was mostly comprised of its media exports, it would have ceased to be the global hegemon at least 50 years ago.

[Anonymous No.15559832]

Part 8: The Decline of the Farm
> Farms have always interested me. The simplest reason is that the United States has only about three or four percent of the agricultural population, but in addition to ensuring the consumption of 200 million people, there is still a large quantity of exports. I remember the Soviet Union imported a large amount of American food. In many countries, the urban and rural population is smaller than the former, but they are incapable of self-sufficiency. Solving this problem is the key to a country's modernization. China has a population of almost 1.1 billion and more than 80% are in rural areas, but the supply of grain and various non-staple foods is not so generous.

>The problem of food has plagued humanity for countless years, and it has been around since the beginning of humanity. So far humans have not solved this problem. The food shortage in Africa has reached alarming levels, and how many people are menaced with death from starvation.

>I remember "The Winds of War" once recalled that in Berlin just after the end of the Second World War, because there was no food, young girls had to use their bodies to get food. The persistence of human life is a basic human need. When this problem is so difficult, it is difficult to talk about dignity and authority.

>The farm I visited is one of many farms and it is a model farm. The farm owner's family has only two people, himself and his wife. After his son went away to college, he worked in another state. In a large expanse of wilderness, they have a very beautiful house, which is almost the same as the house seen in the city. There are all kinds of modern equipment in the city, such as telephone, electricity, running water, etc.

>This is a phenomenon worth discussing. Generally speaking, no matter where you go, these basic tools are always available. Sometimes I walked a long way to meet a family. This family will want for nothing. Companies are also willing to provide services to the family, which is actually a little bit worthwhile. In terms of living conditions, farmers are not inferior to others. A "farmer" is actually a farmer. The farm is private and the assistant workers is private. When it comes to farms, there is absolutely no need to understand Chinese concepts. We may have thousands of people on a farm, and the United States generally has only two or three people.

[Anonymous No.15559843]

>>15559626
>1789 - Only white landowners can vote, slavery, women are kept down, people more or less got along fine
>2020 - Whites, blacks, browns, yellows, greens, reds, ayylmaos, and women can vote, and everybody absolutely hates each other
>It's totally the same guys!

[Anonymous No.15559850]

>>15559832
>Let's look at some specific information to understand the differences between American agriculture. This farmer is called Oberman. He introduced to me that he has a total of 800 acres of land, which is equivalent to 4,857 mu. He was responsible for the cultivation himself, and he hired a long-time worker, plus his elderly father sometimes helped. Labor productivity is high. In addition to cultivating his 800 acres of land, he also raises pigs, and the numbers given are frightening: he raises 1,200 pigs by himself. This is the number in pens plus a yield of 2,400 pigs each year. In addition to these, he is also a director of an agricultural bank, and he also manages bank affairs during the off-season. In addition, we must deal with social activities and develop plans to promote social development. It is very obvious how much energy he exerts.

>The question is, how can a farmer have such energy?

>To increase perceptual awareness, we suggested visiting his pig farm and cultivated land. He first used a car to take us around his 800 acres of farmland, and we had a rough idea. Then, he took us to visit his agricultural machinery. He has three tractors, two are very large, and one combine, as big as the Heilongjiang farm. There are also various types of agricultural machinery, so his farming is all mechanized.

>A mechanical harvester can cultivate 80 acres a day, so 800 acres is not difficult for him. He mainly grows corn and basedbeans. After harvesting, there is artificial air-drying equipment with a high degree of automation. In addition, the American farm is a large plain, which is unique to the United States' geography. Large machinery opens without barriers. With these conditions, mechanization is easy to implement. In the rural areas of Zhejiang, China, there are too many ditches, rivers, and hills, and large machinery is difficult to use.

[Anonymous No.15559859]

>>15559850
>Of course, farmers also have various difficulties, which is a challenge for agriculture.

>One is the economic problem. The economic income of the farmer is not high, and there is a lot of labor. The farm earns between $20,000 and $30,000 a year, but a combine bought on loan is worth $120,000, regardless of other equipment. Of course, some farms are larger, better, and have a considerable income. This year, the United States is generally dry, and farmers' incomes have dropped. With only about half of their usual income, the economic situation is very bad. We see in farmland that corn grows only half the height as usual, and the fruit is small.

>The second is high labor intensity. The labor intensity of the farmer is very high, which is incomparable to a city office or air-conditioned factory. Farmland is mainly field operations. In any case, the changes in nature cannot be avoided. Pig farming can be said to be dirty and smelly. Although this farm has a high degree of automation, it is grungy and cannot be ruled out. Pigs don't know how to clean, there is no way. We went to visit the pigpen, which was foul and makes one want to leave. But the farmer must do the work. He said that after working every day, he had to take several baths to wash off the smell. In the United States, I am afraid that few people can accept it.

>The third is the boredom of the younger generation. Due to the above problems and the attraction of big cities, the younger generation yearns for urban life. There are cultural and entertainment facilities in urban life, but not in rural areas. The farmer told me that after his son graduated from college, he told him that he didn't want to return for the time being, and he felt it was a big blow. But he believes he will eventually return. If he doesn't come back, the farm will be a problem because he has only one son and no one will succeed him.

>Despite various problems, many people have been squeezed into the field of agricultural production due to the role of market mechanisms. The important problem is that the high output of agricultural production guarantees the stability of political and social life. Imagine what would happen to Americans if they did not have enough food one day? In most developed countries, the common phenomenon is to solve the basic daily necessities, so that these products fully flow. And most of the less developed countries cannot solve this problem well. Agricultural development is the stabilizer of society and the enabler of the economy. The Soviet Union has long been confounded by agricultural issues: economic and political stagnation. The situation in other societies is also similar.

>In a world with a rapidly increasing population, agriculture is a lifeline.

[Anonymous No.15560164]

>>15558899
>nooooo don't read books outside the anglo dominated state media!!!!! heckin thought criminalrinos

[Anonymous No.15560169]

>>15559388
His works are basically on two things:

>Liberal Totalitarianism
Y'know how those ignorant KKKnazireTHUGliKKKan hicks in Kansas that just want to be left alone HAVE to be shown the error of their was? How despite them hating Blacks, and Blacks hating them, the US Government HAS to bus Blacks in to live there? This is that.

>Unwritten Constitutionalism
tl;dr Is that an Unwritten Constitution has the flexibility to be changed in such a way that the original actual intention of the founders can be maintained, while a Written constitution can constantly be revised by means of re-interpreting the arbitrary signs that imperfectly convey the information.

[Anonymous No.15560207]

>>15560169
Interesting. Any good English sources on this guy?

[Anonymous No.15560236]

>>15558710
Democracy in America is influential for American intellectuals like Deneen and Lasch as well.

[Anonymous No.15560259]

>>15560207
None of his work is really translated

[Anonymous No.15560284]

>>15559626
> American government has remained almost identical.
Very bizarre how residents of irrelevant countries see the US on their one state owned media channel and then think they know the country

[Anonymous No.15560296]

>>15560284
He's not wrong, although there's been some changes, it's been a progression of the same rather than a revolution that overturned the system.

[Anonymous No.15560301]

>>15558899
>t. Atlanticist

[Anonymous No.15560344]

>>15559843
>white people more or less got along fine
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.15560358]

>>15560296
the civil war and the new deal both revolutionized the country

[Anonymous No.15560397]

>>15560358
Those changed quite a bit, but they were not an overturning of the government that a revolution implies.

[Anonymous No.15560436]

>>15559850
just lol at the word filter here

[Anonymous No.15560486]

>>15558710

[Anonymous No.15560523]

>>15560486
I have bad news for him lol

[Anonymous No.15560556]

>>15560523
KEK

[Anonymous No.15560794]

>>15560486
Why is it that authoritarian regimes always give citizens far more credit than democracies? I’ve notice this with Chinese propaganda as well

[Anonymous No.15560827]

>>15560794
Because only liberalism thrives on disengagement from the political.

[Anonymous No.15560923]

>>15560794
Because it makes them feel special and part of the system

[Anonymous No.15561198]

>>15558913
You definitely have. I'm interested. Can't find any translations of America Against America though.

[Anonymous No.15562370]

Bump. Very interesting thread

[Anonymous No.15562654]

>>15560794
They don't have to use tricks of opinion molding and consensus manipulation on the plebs because they can just use force. Thus they are not daily confronted to the ambient retardation.

[Anonymous No.15562687]

>>15558913
Surely the intelligence agencies in the West have translations of this guy or something, right? Though I suppose they wouldn't be very open to sharing them if they did.

[Anonymous No.15563615]

>>15560794
China expects the citizens to have at least a basic engagement with what the party says, like workplaces requiring the submission of reflections upon party congresses and so on, so they most likely (but wrongly) expect that Americans are similarly engaged.

[Anonymous No.15565174]

>>15559388
>that image
same

[Anonymous No.15565185]

>>15559299
>I'll try to learn Chinese so I can translate all of these little-known-in-the-West Chinese thinkers
can we expect results of that in like 10 years?

[Anonymous No.15566048]

>>15562687
Western Intelligence is notoriously bad. The CIA used to drop random Vietnamese peasants into CCP territory without maps, training, or even a compass, and tell them “go spy for us”. Thousands died like that.

[Anonymous No.15566289]

>>15566048

kek. source for this?

[Anonymous No.15566307]

>>15558698
Does he have any associations with the Chinese Schmittians?

[Anonymous No.15566321]

>>15566307
>Chinese Schmittians
Someone redpill me on this meme, i keep seeing it get thrown around

[Anonymous No.15566355]

>>15558913
Seconded. I've been aware of this guy for some time, been waiting for an English translation for years.

[Anonymous No.15566366]

>>15566321
Schmitt is reasonably influential in China: https://web.archive.org/web/20200415104034/https://www.thechinastory.org/cot/carl-schmitt-in-china/

[Anonymous No.15566469]

>>15566289
Legacy of Ashes, Tim Weiner.

[Anonymous No.15566478]

>>15559299
福气 (⊙o⊙)

[Anonymous No.15566493]

Here's some interesting parts on historical monuments in the United States, and how they are used to enforce state ideology.

> It can be said that Massachusetts is a state of political and historical interest. American historical sites, while they are not so old, are still crucial in explaining political and historical developments. Europeans often mock the United States' lack of history, but this in fact reveals a worthwhile question. The modern society of the United States has only two hundred years of history, so why has it developed into the world's first-class power? This is an important phenomenon in today's society.

>Some Chinese people also say that America has no history.

>Much of the history of the founding of America is concentrated in two states, one part in Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, and the other in Boston in Massachusetts. While in Philadelphia, I went to see various historical monuments, including the venues of several important meetings during the War of Independence, where the Constitution was drafted, the Liberty Bell, and so on. There were also groups of Americans and foreigners there for sightseeing. These places are well preserved and have become material textbooks (实物教科书) of a political tradition.

> According to these material textbooks, American people are well-versed in such affairs. It is often suspected that there is no 'political education' in American society. But a traditional spirit is deeply rooted. Here, "material textbooks" play many roles. Places such as libraries set up after the end of presidential administrations are also material textbooks.

...

> Americans generally trace the spirit of America to the Mayflower and believe that the basic principles of American society were established when the Mayflower sailed to the mainland. The sixty people on board established society's foundations. This explanation may make sense, but it must not be overstated. One thing is more certain, when people went from Europe to the Americas they were for the most part religiously persecuted or politically sidelined. In 1620, this was the period when the autocracy of the British Stuart dynasty reached its peak, and a British bourgeois revolution broke out in the next two decades.

[Anonymous No.15566503]

>>15566493
> It can be seen who was willing to leave Europe and Britain at that time, and what kind of state of mind they were. They came to this desolate place to be rid of autocracy, escape persecution, and find freedom and wealth. This spirit encouraged them to come to the New World. They arrived at a vast mound of earth without a complete political order, so they could fulfill their wishes. If they come to a place where a complete political system has long been established, these dozens of people can only accept reality no matter how they turn their ideas into action. As many immigrants from all over the world come to the United States today, no one can change the system here. The spirit of the "Mayflower" can grow and develop precisely because this land is politically barren.

>However, it is important to note that this spirit can only be shared among people on or in the "Mayflower" ship, that is, white people. For quite some time, whites excluded Indians and black people from the ranks of men. An important reason why the American political system could be established later is often overlooked. This is that the indigenous-Indians were not very civilized at the time, and they lived a clan-like life, and they could not make use of modern production technology and cultivation technology. This situation prevented European civilized people from enslaving them because they could not provide more products. The only option for European immigrants was to ask the Indians for the land. What if the Indians were a more civilized people?

Very blunt view of things, but an argument I have not heard before.

>The spirit of the "Mayflower" survived, not because anyone intended to maintain it, but that social life must be controlled by it. I also looked at the Plymouth Plantation, where a seventeenth-century settlement was preserved, and it is said that the earliest immigrants lived here. This village is close to the sea, looking far into the distance, thousands of miles. The wooden houses and various appliances in the village are typical of old rural villages. It can be described in two words - "poor" and "backward". This is natural. European immigrants came from afar, had nothing, and started from scratch, only in this environment. Villages like this are as numerous as an ox has hairs in the world today, so what do they mean?

[Anonymous No.15566515]

>>15566503
>Just because immigration developed on the basis of poverty, immigrants especially value their wealth and lifestyle. Rich people are not born with the same intense emotions as the poor do. So when Britain wanted to exploit them, they will rise to defend their lives. In 1775, Americans fought against the British army, firing the first shot of the war of independence. I visited a place where the Americans shot the first shot and a monument was there. On the road across the river, there is also a monument laid down where the British soldiers killed by gunfire. The result of the war was the Americans won. The American War of Independence was also encouraged by the spirit of the European bourgeois revolution, especially when Britain, their ruler, had revolutions. As can be seen from the US Constitution, its basic principles were created by British and French thinkers during the European bourgeois revolutions. When the United States created its new system, it did not encounter the resistance of a powerful old system. Unlike the British bourgeois revolution and the French bourgeois revolution, it made it easier to announce the implementation of ideological principles reflecting the requirements of the bourgeoisie. Think about why Germany couldn't complete its bourgeois revolution in the mid-nineteenth century. The Juncker aristocracy was too powerful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_revolutions_of_1848%E2%80%931849

>The United States values the preservation and protection of these material textbooks. In these places, there are full-time personnel to manage and provide the convenient measures needed for public visits, such as parking, shops, restaurants, and various instructions. The facilities of the exhibition are also standardized, and there are studios in almost every place, and visitors can see specially produced films and slides. Some things that are not considered to be Chinese by the Chinese are carefully protected. So, Americans will have a history in the future, because it is going all out to protect it. They know that they have no history, and they value treasures that have historical value. In a country with too much history, things that are much more valuable are abandoned.

>Not only do Americans protect history, but they also know how to make these things work as textbooks. These locations are open to the public and provide the best public understanding of them. In fact, to spread the American spirit is a kind of socialized ideological and political education.

>Any society that wants to endure should spread its own value system, but the methods of communication are different, and the effect of communication depends to a large extent on the method.

[Anonymous No.15566534]

>>15566515
>There is then this footnote from the translator, providing some context:
I think Wang got his wish. In 1991, the CCP started a "Patriotic Education Campaign" as part of its education curriculum, which emphasized China's victimization before 1949. The campaign formally started with two documents titled "Notice about Conducting Education of Patriotism and Revolutionary Tradition by Exploiting Extensively Cultural Relics’’ and ‘‘General Outline on Strengthening Education on Chinese Modern and Contemporary History and National Conditions.", and notably credited from an internal document sent from then Chairman Jiang Zemin to the Secretary of Education. In 1994, the CCP would issue an "Outline on Implementing Patriotic Education", which reads, in part: "The objectives of conducting patriotic education campaign are to boost the nation’s spirit, enhance cohesion, foster national self-esteem and pride, consolidate and develop a patriotic united front to the broadest extent possible, and direct and rally the masses’ patriotic passions to the great cause of building socialism with Chinese characteristics." (the Translation is not mine, that is from Prof. Zheng Wang's National Humiliation, History Education, and the Politics of Historical Memory: Patriotic Education Campaign in China. International Studies Quarterly (2008) 52, 783–806.)
As a result, the historical curriculum changed from having primarily a Marxist element, which emphasized class struggle, to a narrative more focused on nationalism and patriotism. Various figures were rehabilitated or cast in a different light.
The CCP also designated about a hundred different sites across China as "patriotic education bases", and about 2/3rds of these were from past wars or battle sites, such as those from the Civil War, the second Sino-Japanese War, and many from the imperial era. At various times, the Central Committee and State Council have encouraged periods of "red tourism" to visit these battle sites, historical museums, and other similar locations.
>an example of this 'Patriotic Education Campaign', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSJ8AGG_VRE

[Anonymous No.15566561]

>>15559299
My current goal is to become proficient in Mandarin for similar reasons. Let's become the board translators

[Anonymous No.15566608]

>>15559388
glad to see only one of those doesn't apply to me

[Anonymous No.15566630]

>>15560794
The Virgin Oligarchy:
>Quotes obscure 200 year old political theorists
>Tries to get its citizens to engage in productive criticism, arrests them if criticism is too productive
>Believes that every peasant farmer is Political Science scholar and potential revolutionary appeals to them as such
>Humorless appeals to decency, rationality, and tradition
>Constantly terrified that it will overstep its ability and spark civil war
>Will get overthrown anyways

The Chad Democracy:
>Refers to any book written previous to last election cycle as "outdated" and "reactionary"
>Tells its citizens that anyone engaging in any form of criticism is an untrustworthy egghead, and probably a militant communist-fascist-terrorist-pedophile sympathizer
>Knows that Scholars, Doctors, Lawyers can be manipulated with flashing lights, slogans, and free candy
>Knows that you only need to speak with enough fire and conviction to get people chanting something
>Places recording devices in every home and makes citizens pay for the privilege. Monitors private mail, phone calls, and engages in random strip searches in order to protect 'freedom'
>Will last forever, this is what the people want after all

[Anonymous No.15566633]

>>15566561
I have 0 background in Mandarin so this may be a long term project. By the time we can speak Mandarin they'll own our country anyway I suppose

[Anonymous No.15566672]

>>15566561
>>15566633
>>15559299
It might be fun to start having translation threads on /lit/. Even if we could get people providing English summaries of paragraphs, articles, wikipedia pages etc. it could be a very fruitful endeavor. I'm sure that most European languages are represented on this board.

[Anonymous No.15566708]

>>15566672
Yeah I know there are a lot of interesting German and French books that have never been translated. Would be easier to find translators for that than Mandarin

[Anonymous No.15566757]

>>15566708
Yeah, obviously a book is a lot to translate but if multiple people worked together, doing a chapter at a time or just translating short stories/articles we could actually produce a lot of content.

[Anonymous No.15566771]

>>15559626
In China the rulers never change but the policies do whereas in the USA the rulers change but the important policies don't.

[Anonymous No.15567431]

>>15566503
>complete political order
Does he ever go into detail on what a cpo is?

[Anonymous No.15567456]

>>15567431
I imagine that he means a defined balance of power between states, with bureaucracy ordering people's social and economic lives etc. similar to what Europe, Asia, Africa had. He seems either unaware of or uninterested in the various pandemic diseases in North America during colonization. Probably the point he's trying to make though is that China cannot simply break free from it's history to work from a 'clean slate' the way that the initial settlers to America were able to.

[Anonymous No.15567523]

>>15566366
Is China still strictly a Communist country anymore then, in the 20th century sense? It looks like they are now carefully curating philosophical ideas from every culture and working them into the state ideology. They've come a long way from still clinging onto post-war prejudices (unlike the US, who still fetishizes the 'Nazi'), and are now willing to pull ideas from the differing ideologies of people such as Toqueville, Schmitt, and Lenin and create something of their own. It is definitely interesting, is there more on Chinese Schmittians?

[Anonymous No.15567553]

>>15567523
>strictly a Communist country anymore then, in the 20th century sense?
I can think of almost nothing with a less ambiguous and controversial definition lol

[Anonymous No.15567616]

>>15558882
Interesting, thanks

[Anonymous No.15567685]

>>15566048
Its actually shotgun technique. "Well, one of thes guys might get something, and we dont have to pay peanuts" The quality of Western intelligence varies widely depending on operation, interest/funding, and leadership.

[Anonymous No.15567720]

>>15566515
>>Not only do Americans protect history, but they also know how to make these things work as textbooks. These locations are open to the public and provide the best public understanding of them. In fact, to spread the American spirit is a kind of socialized ideological and political education.
>>Any society that wants to endure should spread its own value system, but the methods of communication are different, and the effect of communication depends to a large extent on the method.


Interesting method of dissecting atmosphere. I especially like how it is not innately dirogatory like a lot of western writers are about the west. He simply writes them as functional sequences of operation rather than moral evils.

[Anonymous No.15567741]

>>15567720
Agreed, I found his thoughts on 'material textbooks' very interesting as well. Especially his note on the means of communication, it explains the strict Chinese control of it's internet. Seeing communications technology and "public infrastructure" as an innate form of social control does seem to justify tight control over media.

[Anonymous No.15567762]

>>15567741
Agreed, from a purely epistomological grounds, it seems like a really interesting read. Seeing a different qualitative understanding of things. from different presuposed values and/or goals.

[Anonymous No.15567810]

>>15567762
If you look at the SA thread linked earlier itt, he gets into what he sees as the "core values" of america. Things such as freedom, equality, etc. and he argues that American politics are a struggle to reconcile these sometimes contradictory beliefs with material reality.
Interesting thinker for sure. Hopefully a full translation of his work is eventually published.

[Anonymous No.15567968]

>>15558981
jesus h. christ the shills are off the walls

[Anonymous No.15568024]

>>15567968
How so? He's obviously an influential thinker, and since he hasn't been translated except for obscure fragments on an obscure website and in some academic journals despite being clearly involved in upper level Chinese government there is an air of mystery and intrigue around him.

[Anonymous No.15568842]

>>15567968
Please show me the thread(s) that are discussing something better, I would love to see them!

[Anonymous No.15568872]

>>15567523
China is in no way Communist, most of their economy is privately owned. They really haven't been since the Dengist reforms and really even before then as Mao was in many ways a Chinese nationalist before a Communist.
>It looks like they are now carefully curating philosophical ideas from every culture and working them into the state ideology.
Yes, but they've mostly been drawing on old Confucian tradition.
>is there more on Chinese Schmittians?
There's been books published about it, but I can't say I'm very well informed on the topic.

[chinaboo !cQVyPumS1o No.15569287]

I'm really glad that Wang is getting attention - we learn a lot about our own country by understanding an outside observer's perspective. Here's my translation of all the chapter headers if anyone's interested in translating select parts of the book. You can find the book for free here: https://github.com/zealotCE/AmericaOpposeAmerica

1 Uneven Land
1.1 Doubt, Made in the US
1.2 Manhattan and Chinatown
1.3 The 4 Cs (Cars, calls, computers, and cards)
1.4 Highly Commercialized
1.5 Remote Areas
1.6 Amana Colonies
1.7 Local Landscape
1.8 The Decline of Farms

2 An Ancient Political Spirit
2.1 "American spirit"
2.2 "Mayflower"
2.3 Political Creed
2.4 Equality or Freedom
2.5 The 200-year Constitution
2.6 Political Genes
2.7 Political Rules
2.8 "A Third Republic"

3 A Colorful National Character
3.1 International People
3.2 Innovation
3.3 Non-Supersticious
3.4 Sanctification
3.5 Misguided by Spacecraft
3.6 Work Ethic
3.7 Sexual liberation
3.8 Lonely Hearts
3.9. The Future World
3.10 People are Always People

4 Multi-level Social Regulation
4.1 The Invisible Hand
4.2 Money Controls Society
4.3 Human Standardization
4.4 Legal Culture
4.5 Tax System
4.6 Governing People by Science and Technology
4.7 Cats and Dogs are Not Free

5 Intertwined Political Power
5.1 A Country Run by Donkeys and Elephants
5.2 Party distribution
5.3 Interest Groups
5.4 Debaters
5.5 Radical Organizations
5.6 Diversity or Talent
5.7 Participation in Democracy

[chinaboo !cQVyPumS1o No.15569292]

6 An Incomplete Campaign
6.1 Fight for the White House
6.2 The President's Path
6.3 The Third County's Democratic Party Dinner Darty (?)
6.4 TV Debates
6.5 A Representative's Dream
6.6 Election day
6.7 Who's in Charge of the Ebb and Flow?

7 Political pyramid
7.1 Capitol Hill
7.2 Group of Fifty
7.3 County Politics
7.4 City Politics
7.5 Grassroots Politics
7.6 Transparent Discussion
7.7 Elected Officials
7.8 Congressional Liaison Office

8 Soft Governance
8.1 Driver's License
8.2 Principles of the Factory
8.3 Undemocratic Enterprises
8.4 Human Services
8.5 Coca Cola HQ
8.6 God on Earth

9 Institutions
9.1 Education System
9.2 MIT
9.3 Kennedy School of Government
9.4 A "Talent factory"
9.5 U.S. Naval Academy
9.6 Education Export
9.7 Hotbed of Science and Technology

10 Active wisdom
10.1 Thought Factory
10.2 Brookings Institution
10.3 Carter Center
10.4 Defense Ministers Forum
10.5 Regional Affairs Center
10.6 A Reservoir of Knowledge
10.7 City Library

11 Undercurrent of Crisis
11.1 A Concept of Family
11.2 The Ignorant Generation?
11.3 Free Youth
11.4 America Without Drugs isn't America
11.5 Underworld
11.6 Beggar Kingdom
11.7 The Black Struggle
11.8 The Situation of Indigenous People
11.9 Mental Crisis
11.10 Empire of the Sun

[Anonymous No.15569368]

>>15569287
>>15569292
I'm interested in the sections on sexual liberation, the future world, human standardization, governing people by science and democracy, and America without drugs isn't america

[Anonymous No.15569390]

>>15566771
> in the USA the rulers change but the important policies don't.
Slavery? Civil Rights? Also at the beginning states had all the power and now it's the executive branch and the national military complex.

[chinaboo !cQVyPumS1o No.15569639]

>>15569368
I'll try translating a few. If there's any other mandarin speakers please speak up and we can work together!

[Anonymous No.15569652]

>>15569639
thanks anon, you rock.
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3903914
has parts of his work translated as well, fyi

[Anonymous No.15569681]

>>15569390
China went from being an Imperial Dynasty, to a Japanese colony, to a Republican Democracy, to a Communist State. And that's all in the last hundred and something years. It's apples and oranges.

Also I don't think the Civil Rights era was nearly as revolutionary or earth-shaking as you seem to think it was. If every single member of government was dragged in the streets and executed, and then a government was built from the ground up several times over, Mexico invaded for several years and committed a genocide, then there was a cultural revolution where every intellectual in the USA was publicly humiliated/killed/sent to labour camps in the country side while hundreds of thousands of history books were burned.... then maybe it would be comparable to China.

[Anonymous No.15569746]

>>15559752
>Only a small slice of it
Nah, it's at least a third of american culture. The other two are shitty hollywood movies and fast food. Pop and rap music is almost always linked up with politics too these days. Usually some girl power shit or inner city oppression.

[Anonymous No.15569810]

>>15558698
This is the third modern Chinese philosophy thread I saw this week. Are the CCP trying to subvert this board?

[Anonymous No.15570031]

>>15569810
Hopefully, if subversions means more threads like these.

[Anonymous No.15570042]

>>15569810
a recent thread had very obvious wumao shills in it, broken english and subhuman goalpost-shifting argument tactics and everything. they're here, they're just not any good at it.

[Anonymous No.15570064]

>>15569810
there is no try bucko

[Anonymous No.15570071]

>>15569810
Just embrace it. America is an old horse anyways.

[chinaboo !cQVyPumS1o No.15570115]

I translated 3.7: https://pastebin.com/biCFcvdT -- here's the parts I found most interesting, specifically in the synthesis of how the author thinks about the future of America and how to organize Chinese society in light of his future career.

> The question is why there was sexual liberation after the 1960s, but not before? Is there any logical connection between this and the development of material production? There should be. Freud said that the development of civilized life means suppressing human instinct. Marcuse called it “basic repression.” However, after the full development of material life, when people don’t need to exert so much energy to deal with nature and maintain physical existence, people’s instincts will be unrestrained. The development in the level of social material leads to a revolution of moral concept. In this process, the more important topic is to put forward a new topic of managing society: From managing material production to managing human behavior. This is probably a problem that any society will encounter when its materialism reaches a certain level.

>The sexual liberation of Americans is probably at its peak, there is nothing left for future generations to discover. Pornographic magazines have exposed everything about men and women. Constant exploration becomes anatomy. Pornographic magazines often use large color photos to render the human body, including the details of genitals. In many states, these magazines are sold to the public. Pornographic movies are full of sex. In this environment, all kinds of debates will naturally be fierce and the biggest problem is the younger generation. In order to cope in this era of the pursuit of bodily desires schools have set up courses about these areas. There are countless childrens and parent’s manuals. These are available in every library. All young students take these classes. Such books will generally show young men and women’s physiological structure, puberty changes, and contraception in clear detail. This education is widespread.

I'll try to translate more over the coming months and participate in the SA thread. Maybe we can work together to translate and analyze this text.

[chinaboo !cQVyPumS1o No.15570133]

>>15569810
I think that CCP soft power is not sophisticated enough to do this kind of psyop on such a fringe website. I think it's just a result of china's rising power.

But it would be wild if Wang called in some favors to have some propaganda arm start spreading his or other contemporary Chinese ideology to the west via a chinese cartoon website. It's absolutely something I would do if I was among the most powerful thought leaders in China.

[Anonymous No.15570225]

>>15570115
Very interesting, thank you anon. I look forward to reading more of your work

[Anonymous No.15570240]

>>15570115
thanks

[Anonymous No.15570419]

>>15558913
Thank you

[Anonymous No.15570423]

>>15567523
Leo Strauss and Schmitt are the most popular Western scholars in China. China knows exactly what they’re doing. Here in america people are busy reading woke academics talking about white privilege while they’re studying some of the most notable critics of liberalism

[Anonymous No.15570573]

>>15570423
Had this thought about Russian geopolitics too, I heard that academics there still discuss seriously things like ethnic composition of nations, conflicts, etc. and biopolitics. Whereas western countries can't touch those topics for fear of racism.

Almost like the entire west is operating partially blind on the world stage.

[Anonymous No.15570938]

bumping before I go to bed

[Anonymous No.15571396]

>>15570115
How long is the text? Could we even do it?

It is very interesting a worth the study of English speakers.

[Anonymous No.15571567]

>>15558841
>The development of a commodity economy has formed a dual structure of social governance: the system social self-organization is responsible for all kinds of specific affairs, and the political system is responsible for coordinating various self-organizing systems
Brilliant.

[Anonymous No.15571641]

>>15558882
>>15558897
Nice thread, OP.

[Anonymous No.15571737]

>>15559850
>basedbeans
;o

[Anonymous No.15571743]

>>15560397
> the Reconstruction is completely memory-holed now
Whew, lad.

[Anonymous No.15571767]

>>15569390
>blacks are still chattel with zero political power, owned by wealthy jews in charge of the democratic party
I don't see how you think anything has changed here.

>b-but rap music!
Minstrels.

>b-but gold chains!
There's plenty of attestations of Masters giving their slaves petty token trinkets in order to make them iron-clad loyal.

[Anonymous No.15571774]

>>15569292
I'm interested in Institutions and Active Wisdom

[Anonymous No.15571791]

>>15571567
I've heard this before, the idea of a Material Economy alongside a Status Economy. I can't remember where, however.

[Anonymous No.15573200]

>>15571567
He said this in another section, that companies are a totalitarian tool for organizing populations

[chinaboo No.15574323]

>>15571396
It took me an hour or two to translate 3.8k characters and there are 222k in total, meaning it would take around 60 days to translate one section a day. This is feasible for me to do alone in a year especially since Kangxi already translated some portions, and would be even shorter if we could find another 1-2 people to help.

I believe this is worth it for two reasons:

1. Wang is a very important person to the development of 21st century CCP thought (especially considering his contributions to the wordy and influential "Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era") and a translation would be invaluable to understanding CCP ideology.
2. The act of translation and discussion will increase our understanding more than simply reading it would.

If there's any other English-Mandarin speakers here-- Please email me or speak up!

[chinaboo !!akAbo9VjbaA No.15574374]

It took me an hour or two to translate 3.8k characters and there are 222k in total, meaning it would take around 60 days to translate one section a day. This is feasible for me to do alone in a year especially since Kangxi already translated some portions, and would be even shorter if I could find 1-2 people to help.

I believe this is worth it for two reasons:

1. The book has been left untranslated. Wang is a very important person to the development of 21st century CCP thought (especially considering his contributions to the wordy and influential "Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era") and a translation would be invaluable to understanding CCP ideology in the context of America.
2. The act of translation and discussion will increase our understanding more than simply reading it would.

If there's any other English-Mandarin speakers here willing to help-- Please email me ([e-mail]) or speak up! I'll share the google drive link with you and we can split this work up.

[Anonymous No.15574985]

Some sort of diary of his from 1994:

https://iamswain25.github.io/political-life/en/0000

>Develop a habit for many years, or have to develop the habit of quietly thinking about the experience of the day in the dead of night. During the day, most of the time spent in an unusually busy day, no time to think. When there is time to think, most of them are also used for serious and boring academic thinking, and the profession is very powerful. For life, there is no time to think. When the night comes down, everything goes to tranquility. Looking at the flashing street lights outside the window, you can quietly think about yourself and the world, thinking about things that are not in your administrative work and academic research. Find out what makes sense and do a little thought.
>This kind of thinking is beneficial to people. A person has done more of his professional activities. If he does not adjust, he will become single, his thoughts will be oriented slowly, and there is no open mind. Therefore, in addition to the intense brain and physical activity, discover a new space for thinking.

[Anonymous No.15575001]

>>15574374
You're doing god's work, anon. I'm doing a similar project but in a much easier language so I admire your dedication.

[Anonymous No.15575134]

>>15558897
It's interesting how confused he is by the American government's willingness to allow the Amish to live and work outside the normal parameters of society. The spirit of uniformity and compulsion seems to run strong in his analysis.

[Anonymous No.15575144]

>>15559153
LOL

[Anonymous No.15575268]

>>15574374
you're a hero anon. thank you for your contributions.

[Anonymous No.15575299]

>>15560207
>>15560259
Some of his translated essays can be found at readingthechinadream com

[Anonymous No.15575316]

>>15574374
Thank you, may you succeed on your journey fren!

[Anonymous No.15575354]

>>15575299
v interesting website anon, got any other good sources like this?

[Anonymous No.15575384]

We gotta start having Modern Chinese Philosophy/Politics General Threads.

[Anonymous No.15575577]

>>15558913
>>15559090
>>15559279
>>15566355
>>15568024
you might want to see:
>>15574985

[Anonymous No.15576484]

>>15558792
Do you (or anyone) know any good books on Social Self-Organization?

[Anonymous No.15576506]

>>15571743
Oh yeah I forgot the Constitution was completely destroyed and an entirely different ideology was adopted. Oh wait, that didn't happen. Gay nigger retard.

[Anonymous No.15576517]

>>15567968
We shouldn't be surprised by chink shills on /lit/, but having this stuff translated might actually help. China's biggest weapon right now is the complacency of its enemies. If more people, even just the right people, know at a casual level that the Chinese are a bunch of realpolitik imperialists, this can be combined with the normal disdain people have for China.

China is never going to gain admirers outside the West, outside of the most degenerate faggot twitter communists. Anyone who wants a "strong alternative" to the West is more likely to become a Russiaboo, and even that isn't that common. Absolutely no white people will think China is a possible alternative. Everybody on earth, everybody, sees the chinks as subhuman monsters. No one is going to start admiring them because one of them reads Schmitt.

[Anonymous No.15576601]

>>15576517
Speak for yourself comrade

[Anonymous No.15576630]

>>15576506
Based. No matter how dire shit gets because of the orangutan in dc there is no viable alternative to the west and the tradition of JSM.

[Anonymous No.15576648]

>>15576630
This isn't /pol/, anon. You'll need better bait than that.

[Anonymous No.15577025]

>>15574985
>The reason why it is called "Political Life" does not refer to a political experience, but rather, as a political science scholar, I spend most of my time as my professional knowledge, and even this knowledge. Occupy most of my life. This field is so vast, and all topics can be viewed from a political perspective. I think that everyone who lives in the contemporary world and in China today cannot be political.
>The reason why they are willing to "precipitate" these ideas is not because they have special value, but because they are formed in a quiet outside and a quiet inner state. Peace and tranquility, this is a realm worth pursuing.
What did he mean by this? I genuinely can't tell

[Anonymous No.15577475]

>>15577025
I think hes trying to say that the realm of politics is so vast that its overbearing. The precipitate bit is about separating yourself from politics to achieve tranquility. Its from his diary right? So hes probably trying to figure out how to separate his job from his general thoughts and to calm down outside of work.

[chinaboo !!akAbo9VjbaA No.15578391]

>>15575384
I'm making it right now!

[Anonymous No.15579306]

>>15577025
I agree, that the translation is difficult at times. Many passages can only be understood vaguely.
>everyone can not be political
might mean: not everyone can be political.
The second part might mean, that much quality of his ideas to him seems to be rooted in the way they are generated, regularly quiet outside, quiet inside; at night at a window.

[Anonymous No.15579380]

>>15573200
>>15571567
what does that even mean

[Anonymous No.15579516]

>>15579380
My understanding was that, even though the USA considers itself a body of citizens under the rule of a constitutional democracy, the vast majority of American lives are dictated and organized by smaller systems (universities, companies, neighborhood committees, townships, cults, etc.) in which participation is entirely voluntary, but which are usually neither democratic nor beholden to the constitution.

So if you work in a factory, and spend your free time with a neighborhood bowling league, most of your life is governed by these two systems which may be democratic, but may also be totalitarian, dynastic, or who knows what. The point being that the US government/political system is not an institution which spends most of its time arranging the lives of individual people, ensuring their freedoms, etc. but a way to organize multiple systems and social experiments acting simultaneously. The daily life of the average American is very undemocratic, unconstitutional, etc. but the existence of this over-arching mega structure and freedom of association in these organizations is what allows America to flourish.

This is also what he is talking about with the Amish. Even though the Amish are an insular ethnic minority who live a life entirely removed from American social norms, Americans consider them not as outsiders but examples of the freedom, opportunity, and so on offered by the American political system. It's worth noting that in Europe the Amish have been driven out of every country they've tried to settle, if not outright imprisoned, murdered, etc. You can see how China has adopted these ideas somewhat with their 'special economic zones' and state owned companies.

[Anonymous No.15581016]

Not exactly related, but does anyone have any links for Russian political science thinkers/textbooks. It's always very interesting to see other country's perspectives

[Anonymous No.15581295]

>>15562687
>>15558913
I was going to say, if we were a serious civilization vigorously working to maintain its hegemony, this man would be translated into English.

[Anonymous No.15581390]

>>15581295
Of course we aren't. White liberals act like they are genetically predispositioned to superiority, anyone with a shred of self awareness or doubt could not embrace the kind of racial self-flagellation that they have embraced.

It's absolutely insane. We've a generation of future policy makers who've dedicated themselves to supporting social networks which actively exclude them, seek to provoke racial tensions over even the flimsiest incidents, and readily excuse all kinds of blatant imperialism and realpolitik so long as it's done my 'Marxist Communist Anti-imperialists'.

If they really believed in racial equality, they would understand how precarious the current world order is. Instead they sit comfortably on the laurels of their ancestors and berate poor white people for imagined privileges while excusing all kinds of blatantly racialist organizations. It's absolutely mind boggling how mad they get that someone, say, who lives in the ghetto and actually interacts with minorities regularly would be uncomfortable with being transformed into a racial scapegoat.

[Anonymous No.15581525]

i made some translations from chinese into english a while ago, my chinese will still quite average at the time and i'm hardly a good writer but i'll share links if anyone is interested: some neo-maoist stuff and maoist era writings... maybe i'll go back and revise them at some point

[Anonymous No.15581538]

>>15581525
I'm interested. Throw up a link

[Anonymous No.15581580]

>>15581538
https://kqde.wordpress.com/
https://maoistmiscellany.wordpress.com/

remember, they're all abandoned first drafts, just practice

[Anonymous No.15581646]

>>15558913
this is the famous winnie the pooh and tigger pic?

[Anonymous No.15581717]

>>15574374
Chinese is my mother language, but English isn't, so I doubt I will be of any use here. As for the book, it's been quite interesting so far. I'll see what I can do once I finish the book. For now, keep up the good work anon.

[Anonymous No.15582240]

>>15579516
The Amish tried to settle europe? How did they even get there?

[Anonymous No.15582282]

>>15582240
How do you think they got to America from Germany in the first place?

Hint: it's the same way they got to literally every other Christian country in the world.

[Anonymous No.15582312]

>>15560236
And Mansfield, Strauss, Faulkner...
most great books programs make it and the federalists papers required reading.

[Anonymous No.15582384]

>>15582282
They weren't old order amish until they were already in America. (And their ancestors came by sailing ship, which I don't think were making many transatlantic voyages in the late 19th century. )
>Amish are everywhere.
Are you sure you have have any idea what you are talking about?

[Anonymous No.15582422]

>>15576517
Could confirm.

[Anonymous No.15582604]

>>15582384
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish#Distribution
You should look into this topic sometime, it's really fascinating. You're probably not American, the intricacies of these guys are lost on you lot.

[Anonymous No.15582612]

>>15576517
>CHINA BAD
>CHINA RACIST
>CHINA SEXIST
This thread is only for those with souls, bugboy.

[Anonymous No.15582672]

>>15568872
>China is in no way Communist, most of their economy is privately owned.

You are an absolute, IDIOT. The CCP has complete and total control over every single private company in the country, either directly through subsidies, or indirectly through controlling who they are allowed to trade and associate with.

You are a god damn IDIOT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6g_VcRUxfY

[Anonymous No.15582683]

>>15582604
You're own link has them in them currently in US, Canada, Bolivia and Argentina. Hardly all of Christendom.

[Anonymous No.15582691]

>>15558698
So is this guy a vaguely "liberal" counterweight to Jian Shigong? (In terms of intellectuals in the upper sphere of the CCP)

[Anonymous No.15582700]

>>15576517
>>15582612

[Anonymous No.15582743]

>>15582683
Yes, presently. They've tried settlements in other countries, some of which have failed, others resulted in their expulsion or forced integration, as was already said in >>15579516.

[Anonymous No.15582777]

>>15582700
>The CCP is trying to make itself good while the USA tries to make itself look like shit
Let me word it this way for you: If the CCP came in and hanged every Yid in Washington, I wouldn't be upset.

[Anonymous No.15582803]

>>15582777
Oh fuck off back to /pol/ you stupid Chink shill. Israel is our only fucking ally in the entire goddamn world and you side with the fucking Chinese COMMUNIST Party against them?

Stupid fucking /pol/tard.

[Anonymous No.15582835]

>>15582700
When will the US learn that milksop philanthropy is not statesmanship?

[Anonymous No.15582852]

>>15566771
>In China the rulers never change
You're mistaking the Chinese nationalist propaganda that was made in 20th century after the centuries of humiliation that ppl tend to overlook. In actuality, the current demographic of China is no different than "we wuz laozi and zhit".

[Anonymous No.15582888]

>>15582803
> Israel is our only fucking ally
keep telling yourself that kike bootlicker,you must be from mutt land

[Anonymous No.15582971]

>>15582743
Fine, they also were in Mexico and Honduras. They weren't forced to integrate in Europe because they were never there. This is what your link says. Is it another liberal wikipedia page hiding the truth?

[Anonymous No.15583009]

>>15582852
Cope

[Anonymous No.15583035]

>>15582803
Come on anon, it wasn't even proper bait.
If you are one of the litfags trolling poltards put at least spark of creativity in it.

[Anonymous No.15583126]

>>15582700
>first point on the memo doesn't check out at all, China has never claimed the virus was a bio-warfare attack or even that it didn't originate in Wuhan (the American right is pushing the bioweapon narrative hard though, ironically)
>look this lady up to see what her angle is
>she's a Falun Gong nutcase
>has not lived in China since 1997 and has been peddling anti-China propaganda ever since emigrating
Lmao

[Anonymous No.15583140]

>>15582672
>the state having some control over the market is state ownership
The US is Communist by your definition.

[Anonymous No.15583143]

>>15583126
Based Falun Gong trolling wumao filth online. You seem upset about the Falun Gong. Perhaps more people should know about the Falun Gong so they can judge whether you or they are the "nutcases." The Falun Gong is a relatively minor spiritual movement, not of much consequence outside its criticisms of China for being totalitarian state that commits genocide on a regular basis. What do you disagree with, in their actual criticisms?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong

[Anonymous No.15583483]

>>15581580
thanks anon. surprised to see so many translators itt.

[Anonymous No.15583506]

>>15582384
>They weren't old order amish until they were already in America
Maybe not, but the anabaptist movement has a long history in Europe. Many Amish and Mennonites actually have Jewish names because they were forced into ghettos with them or would work the same land plots that nobody else wanted. It goes back to radical theology movements during the 1500s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnster_rebellion
Pretty interesting group desu.

[Anonymous No.15583524]

>>15582700
Seeing how the US has handled it so far, I think a lot of these communist e-sleeper cells are going to be out of a job.

[Anonymous No.15583554]

>>15583143
>t. Falun Gong cultist

[Anonymous No.15583562]

>>15583140
If you work up the chain of command in any Chinese company it goes directly to the CCP. Not comparable to the USA at all. Don't talk about things you don't have any knowledge of.

[Anonymous No.15583816]

>>15583506
My family is anabaptist, but not amish, so yes I agree, it is interesting. But I was asking about >>15579516, the persecution of Amish in Europe. Which I'm thinking was just mixing up common terms. But when I specified "old order amish", as is the group commonly meant by "Amish", they (you?) just kept conflating the groups.

[Anonymous No.15583954]

>>15583562
Do you know what 'ownership' means? Ironic that you accuse others of talking about things they don't have knowledge of. Hint: if it can be publicly traded on the stock market, it's not state owned. There are state owned businesses in China that have party committees running them, but private sector business dwarfs them in size. Individual CEOs being party members does not correspond to being state ran.

[Anonymous No.15583966]

>>15583816
Fair enough. I should have said the religious orders that Amish branches off from came from Europe, where they faced persecution. My family is Mennonite so I have a vague idea of the overarching history and have heard many stories of mistreatment in the "old world". Wasn't aware that the Amish didn't exist till after they came to the USA however.

[chinaboo !!akAbo9VjbaA No.15584187]

FYI I just made a chinese lit general (/clg/) >>15584170

>>15581717
In this case I don't think you would be of much help since we are translating to Chinese. But one thing you could help with is finding 21st Chinese books that are gaining popularity and influence in China right now, ie the next Three Body Problem or America Against America. Even if they are not translated yet, they would be useful for people to know about.

>>15579516
If you want to better understand the differences in social structure between China and America, Fei Xiaotong's From the Soil is a great introduction to this and introduces concepts like guanxi, 'differential modes of association' (差序格局), and traditional chinese local governance. Pic attached draws from this book, showing differences between social relationships and structure. The western how people are usually part of discrete circles and institutions, while the china is more like an interconnected web or ripples in water.

[Anonymous No.15584569]

>>15583966
Yeah, they didn't really develop the philosophy until 1850+, which is why their technology level froze where it did. I expect if they got conservative back in 17th century they'd still be in Europe in carriages without springs. (Well, right, probably be extinct)

[Anonymous No.15584606]

>>15584569
Don't have anything to add, but that map is fascinating.

[Anonymous No.15584707]

>>15584606
The Mormon prediction is partly based on conversion rates. So it isn't all that likely. But the Amish are from fairly stable birth rates, so I guess the future will be Plain?

Although I am concerned that a pacifist group can't actually exist without the protection of something like the US federal government. And well, the future of that seems a little shaky.

[Anonymous No.15585402]

>>15584707
Are you sure about that? Mormons have like five kids each and most converts are happening outside the US.

[Anonymous No.15585645]

>>15585402
I think the Mormons are 4 kids but still growing well. But the percentages for the Mormons are 66+% for like most of Deseret. Which just seems crazy high. The Amish maxed at 17%.
Maybe they'll both happen, but I'm suspicious.

[Anonymous No.15585966]

>>15583554
I have no interest in the Falun Gong cult myself. But I am interested in how China's persecution of them, the Falun Gong, caused them to become internationally famous. Mostly it had to do with the ORGAN HARVESTING SCANDALS where China keeps political prisoners alive indefinitely so it can harvest their healthy organs.

You, a wumao, might say "the Chinese organ harvesting scandal is just a Falun Gong conspiracy!" That's perfectly reasonable. That's why it has been looked into, verified, and condemned by the international community.

Keep mentioning Falun Gong and the Chinese organ harvesting scandals. You're doing good work to keep people in the know about these atrocities, bugman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

[Anonymous No.15586421]

>>15566630
Based. I love democracy now.

[Anonymous No.15587478]

>>15585966
Falun Dafa - Formerly China's largest religion, Falun Dafa in exile is the the most vocal and well funded Chinse opposition group. Most of the movement's 100 million followers were middle aged women, but the movement since the crackdown has been led by wealthy and well-educated exiles, who have funded a vast empire of opposition activities. Falun Dafa's projects include two written mouthpieces: minghui and epoch times, TV network New Tang Dynasty, the Shen Yun cultural festival (which ends with a depiction of a typhoon destroying Shanghai), and English language propaganda outlet China Uncensored. Falun Gong also runs Tuidang yundong, a volunteer effort which does mail and phone campaigns in China to encourage CCP members to resign their membership. Their claimed "body count" is larger than the total number of CCP members. In the late 1990s, Falun Gong posed a potential (but unrealized) threat to the Chinese government, as it claimed over 100 million members on the mainland in good authority and organized Tiananmen-style marches against the CCP. The religion was severely suppressed by the Jiang Zemin administration, and today its adherents in mainland China most likely number in the hundreds of thousands.

Key to the success of the suppression campaign was a 2001 self-immolation incident, which Falun Dafa stated was staged. Western observers were quick to point out the incongruities in the incident (including the presence of firefighters just yards away from where the incident took place, ready to put out the flames). The CCP has since done interviews with one of the perpetrators to try to counteract this narrative. At the time, the self-immolation incident painted Falun Gong practitioners as insane, and created a social stigma towards the religion that aided its persecution.

While well-funded and well-organized, Falun Gong is seen in the same light by Chinese as Westerners see Scientology, as its Tuidang campaign is widely parodied on Chinese social media.

[Anonymous No.15587509]

>>15558962
The Chinese don't want their intellectual life to be easily understood by foreigners. It's odd when you think about it, one of the downsides of your language being or having been a lingua franca (English and French come to mind) is the ease with which outsiders can read into you.

[Anonymous No.15587533]

>>15585966
>mad because his organs are not worth salvaging

[Anonymous No.15587536]

>>15587478
You're talking about the Falun Gong? The obscure religious movement in China, made famous by the international outrage at China's illegal organ harvesting?

The CCP does it to Uighurs too, who they are also genociding. By "it" I mean that the CCP does illegal organ harvesting and the international community is disgusted by it.

Keep trying wumao. Enjoy your economy collapsing soon.

[Anonymous No.15587571]

>>15587536
at least I'm making money, amerimutt, how much do you earn posting here?

[Anonymous No.15587649]

>>15587571
Do you mean making money by having your entire economy based on pumping out 10000% more cheap goods than the world needs or can sustain a market for? Or do you mean the massive housing bubble inside China that everyone in the world is waiting to burst? The average Chinese household income per year is $10k USD by the way.

Your country is a paper tiger and you are hated by everybody around you. Your only friends are corrupt business interests who temporarily suspend criticism of you. You probably won't even go down fighting in a big war. Your country will collapse from the inside in civil war and splinter into regions controlled by warlords.

[Anonymous No.15587682]

>>15587649
Ironic when you've literally got splinter regions controlled by warlords in your own country

[Anonymous No.15587691]

>>15587682
American society has a lot of problems but you know what they also have? Exports other than fake goods and fake real estate.

America will collapse at the social level, sure. China doesn't even have a social level. You can do all the political theory you want, doesn't matter when your country is as stable as one of your fake buildings made of styrofoam.

[Anonymous No.15587698]

>>15587691
>American society has a lot of problems but you know what they also have? Exports...
Such as? Only thing I own that was made in America was a pair of overly expensive jeans. And I'm pretty sure they were actually made in China too.

[Anonymous No.15587703]

>>15587698
You're right, the CCP has really cornered the market on illegal organ harvesting and genocide of the Uighurs.

Enjoy living through another set of Opium Wars, Chang.

[Anonymous No.15587718]

>>15587649
if you replaced "cheap goods" with "missiles and tanks" this post could literally be written about the US any time in the last 75 years lol

[Anonymous No.15587729]

>>15587703
>Enjoy living through another set of Opium Wars, Chang.
It's already happening, hundreds of kilos of fentanyl that are being shipped into US/Canada every year and the government hasn't done a thing about it.

[Anonymous No.15587744]

>>15587729
Based,Anglos are pathetic anyway

[Anonymous No.15587754]

>>15587729
True, those governments are weak and no longer reflect economic realities. They are like mob fronts for a neoliberal mafia that is no longer turning enough profit to sustain itself. They are already in the process of being swept aside by populist, nationalist, and protectionist regimes. No matter how pathetic these are ideologically, they will be protectionist. This will hurt China significantly, China cannot tolerate a world economy that overall turns its back on Chinese production and investments.

China really has no way to survive the next 30 years, it desperately needs the next 30 years to continue under neoliberal venture capitalism and cronyism but that ship is already sinking. Regime change and civil war are on the way. In other countries too, but those will get a few ugly riots at worst. China will just crumble internally. It has no friends either.

[Anonymous No.15587758]

>Modernity is kill oh nu, who kill?

>It kill itself!

>!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.15587777]

>>15587754
>They are already in the process of being swept aside by populist, nationalist, and protectionist regimes.
This happened last election cycle and didn't change a thing. Stop living in the past and prepare yourself for a multipolar world. I agree that things are going to change dramatically, but so far China seems to be doing fine.

[Anonymous No.15587794]

>>15587777
Sure it changed, a populist was elected on protectionist rhetoric in the US and many anti-immigration platforms gained significant shares of parliaments across Europe. Like I said it doesn't matter how piddly you think this is, it's not about them being some LARP crusade, it's about a general wave of protectionism sweeping over all of China's foreign markets.

The Chinese economy can't handle a depression, and all major economists have been waiting for various bubbles to collapse in China for a while, and they weren't even taking into account the rapid rise of anti-neoliberalism. Now you have countries that are major markets for Chinese goods and investors talking about a "divorce" from China at all levels of policy.

Even a slight contraction could trigger a depression in China and the country is already a shitpile. There are going to be a series of large contractions at best, probably much greater shocks than that. You can do all the political theory you want, can't stop that.

[Anonymous No.15588147]

>>15587794
>rapid rise of anti-neoliberalism

lol your hatred of chinks is making you delusional

[Anonymous No.15588316]

>>15587794
>>15588147
Do right-liberals believe that they pose an existential threat to the neoliberal order as represented by...China, probably the least neoliberal great power?

What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.15588320]

>>15566515
>Not only do Americans protect history, but they also know how to make these things work as textbooks. These locations are open to the public and provide the best public understanding of them. In fact, to spread the American spirit is a kind of socialized ideological and political education.

I was pretty surprised that the museums and tours in DC are free.
Library of Congress, Capitol building, National art museum, etc. A tour guide told me that since the tax payers fund it they should be free to visit. Also that it encourages people across the US to vacation within the US and visit these sites.

[Anonymous No.15588551]

>>15574985
interesting! any idea why there seem to be only 3 months, and who is hosting this website and why?

[Anonymous No.15588572]

>>15587758
Deep oriental wisdom.

>>15588316
China bad because China racist. That's all there is to it. When China is a global power looking to supplant the US to spread Democracy and Freedom and end racism, China is good. When China is an authoritarian power looking to benefit its own (the average Han on the street is not "its own"), it's bad.

[Anonymous No.15588590]

>>15574985
>March 1st
>Nietzsche himself thought that he was a "superman", but in the end he probably thought too much and got schizophrenia.

the First Secretary of the Central Secretariat of the Communist Party of China is pretty based

[Anonymous No.15588922]

>>15569810
I don't mind them.
Gives us some exposure to philosophers we otherwise would never come in contact with.
If only more of it were available in English. I would probably take me at least half a decade to be even semi-literate in Chinese, let alone read sophisticated Chinese texts.

[chinaboo No.15589103]

>>15588551
The URL indicates a github-hosted website, usually generated from a git repo. You can check out the github link which has the website source code: github.com/iamswain25/political-life

It looks like it might just be doing machine translation -- compared to the sources in the readme, the english is not accurate.

>>15588922
If you have a basic understanding of chinese, machine translation bridges the gap between comprehension and fluency. My method is typically to use baidu translate and google translate simultaneously, and read over each original paragraph in chinese to make sure the english translation is correct and to understand what the author is trying to communicate. I will then manually type the english onto my document and edit for correctness, fluency, translating proper nouns correctly, etc. A lot of this isn't just chinese comprehension, but doing research on the web or in dictionaries to understand the meaning of words. So machine translation does 90% of the work, but you're adding the "voice" of the text.

[Anonymous No.15589363]

>>15558897
Fascinating!

[Anonymous No.15589457]

>>15588551
-I think he is aware, that his thinking is extraordinarily successful, and so he wants to give some example, maybe after 3 months he felt that the thoughts were new but their demonstrated way of creation had repeated enough.
Also maybe this went too much against the Confucian word of wisdom, that the heaven should keep its ways and proceedings secret.
-No
-No

[Anonymous No.15589734]

>>15559626
>CanadianC-u-ck

they´re the last type of people who should criticize another country