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[Anonymous No.15496733]

>International financial cabal manipulates education and culture for decades to fight the classical conservative statist mentality
>Companies while some storefronts are burned and some bum employees or franchisers are beaten and killed throw their hat in with the Frankenstein they created
>Instead of the supposed left wing revolution transferring capital to the hands of the workers, it now transfers legitimacy out of the hands of states, and into the nameless formless conglomerate of oligarchs that shape opinion and society.
>The marxists become the very tool they sought to destroy and they are used to advance capital to an ultimate and intractable position of security and power on top of all society

What books predicted this? I feel like I've heard some prolific thinkers predict the current course of events but I can't recall the exact names.

[Anonymous No.15496743]

>>15496733
You sound confused.

[Anonymous No.15496757]

>>15496733
Check out Shoshana Zuboff's The Age of Surveillance Capitalism

[Anonymous No.15496759]

>>15496743
Please don't post garbage like "ur wrong" at least cite a reason my man. Why the fuck do people make posts without any substance? It just makes me write this shitty reply to make you post like a human being.

[Anonymous No.15496773]

>billion dollar corporations cheer as small businesses are burned to the ground
how the fuc is anyone still on board with capitalism?

[Anonymous No.15496777]

[Anonymous No.15496779]

>>15496759
Your post is without substance. What are you trying to say, exactly?

[Anonymous No.15496783]

>>15496773
Because those burning small business to the ground aren’t capitalists or the only reason they’re in the country was due to an economic system that wasn’t capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15496788]

>>15496773
It's actually insane people are rioting about a felon porn star dying while the rulers printed themselves trillions of dollars of bailouts and banned all businesses not in the club from operating.

>>15496779
Are you an illiterate retard? Monied interests used years of revolutionary rhetoric to try and overthrow the legitimacy of the state for their own corporate interests and it worked.

[Anonymous No.15496794]

>>15496733
>books that predicted this

[Anonymous No.15496835]

>>15496788
>It's actually insane
it actually makes a lot of sense. young white men had already been written out of the will long ago, we have no real stake in the country, and who would be the ones to fight for the future but the youth? what difference does it make to me if businesses i or my brothers will never own are burned? literally none of this would be happening if our fathers didn't abandon us to the individualist machine. they've only waited this long because millennials were dumb enough to think they had a future and may have actually pushed back, and they did, but it was easily co-opted and shut down (speaking of the occupy "movement"). but there isn't a zoomer alive who thinks he has a future outside of some kind of revolution. revolution will come, because the youth are ripe for it, they won't hesitate. we're all fucked.

[Anonymous No.15496851]

>>15496777
Witnessed and saved

[Anonymous No.15496855]

>>15496835
I don't even want to think how a clean slate of revolution would turn out in this country.

Brand worship corporatism pseudo fascism?
Codified and legal racial caste system?
Neo feudalism with a new constitution favoring these lords of business immensely?

It's all so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.15496863]

>>15496733
>all lives will not matter until Black lives matter
This is ideology at its finest

[Anonymous No.15496868]

>>15496733
>International financial cabal
for the newfags in this thread, this refers to the Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory

[Anonymous No.15496880]

>>15496863
wtf is this picture. Also women suck at fighting

[Anonymous No.15496881]

>>15496868
Zionists are one part but all of this cultural movement built up over the last decades was MNCs in general, not just jews. It was all built to make sure the capitalist's power is never threatened.

[Anonymous No.15496882]

>>15496863
Was it supposed to sound like a threat or was that accidental?

[Anonymous No.15496905]

>>15496882
the ambiguity is key

[Anonymous No.15496927]

>>15496733
>taking corporate press releases seriously

[Anonymous No.15496943]

>>15496855
you may not want to think about it, but if you plan on living to see it, you have my pity.

[Anonymous No.15496944]

>>15496788
>Are you an illiterate retard? Monied interests used years of revolutionary rhetoric to try and overthrow the legitimacy of the state for their own corporate interests and it worked.
They've been doing this from the onset of capitalism, asshat. Not sure why you're getting worked up over a few intern-drafted press releases. Read more.

[Anonymous No.15496973]

>>15496733

Why are these leftoids and the corporate + media + academic structures that support them always wrong about everything?

I mean this in the most autistic, rigid, empirical/scientific sense of being "wrong" and am not making a moral judgement. For example, the fact that people are intrinsically unequal and that some individuals and some groups are of a higher magnitude and others much lower in various qualities. Like obviously intelligence and IQ. Mathematical analysis (e.g. heritability and factor analysis) + the nascent research in cognitive genomics both provide overwhelming support that racial differences are partly heritable, same thing with gender differences. Also the overwhelming evidence that diversity harms social cohesion, "well being", mental health, etc. of communities and generally harms society.

It's like one thing after another with these people, and they do not have an argument so they resort to using coercion and force to scrub you off of the internet and remove you from society. As though they really do not care that much if their views are incompatible with reality.

the leftoid no-argument brainlet cucks are currently capitulating to blacks right now and trying to justify the situation, even as they riot and burn down cities.

Why are people like this?

[Anonymous No.15497021]

>>15496733
>The West, so afraid of strong government now has no government, only financial power

[Anonymous No.15497030]

>>15496733
read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
read The International Jew
read Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.15497038]

>>15496973
Nice strawman, retard. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.15497127]

>>15497038

>strawman

How is this a strawman? I deal with this mentality everyday at school and work. This literally does accurately portray most normie and midwit liberals.

I was not addressing """leftists""" as in literal leninists, leftcomms, or bakunin style anarchists or whatever the fuck if this is what you meant

[Anonymous No.15497162]

>>15496733
Any book describing propaganda, such as the one written by Jacques Ellul on the subject.

[Anonymous No.15497181]

>>15497030
nogs can muster violent energy but only their kike overlords can ever direct it. blacks are the lightning and jews are the lightning rod.

[Anonymous No.15497311]

>>15496733
Why are you acting like it's wrong to think this way? It's really cringy why you can't understand why it's stupid to say 'All Lives Matter'. Literally nobody chants this stupid slogan until a black man is killed by the police, which seems to be periodical now.

[Anonymous No.15497365]

>>15496777
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/11/advertisings_collateral_damage.html
There's more to it than that, tl;dr.
>The point isn't that the iphone isn't cool, or useful, or a superior product, the point is that the demo blackberry is worried about are the ones who secretly worry their phone also brands them. Cool= black and gay, even if you hate black and gay, which you do, which is why they're in the ads. You hate them because you're envious of their freedom, affluence, seeming lack of responsibility, their easy dialogue with sexuality or power, their casual wardrobes.

[Anonymous No.15497383]

>>15497311
Police don't kill blacks any more than they do other groups, your feelings and impressionability due to propaganda aren't evidence. Getting angry that .01% of the police do something bad in a state with hundreds of millions of people is a wrong way to think, might as well start burning down buildings because someone somewhere is littering.

[Anonymous No.15497401]

>>15497311
Black deaths by police have been lowering year over year for decades. There are dozens of funded and agitated mobs breaking shit and being bused around the country and the average person, you included were primed and conditioned to view this as some sort of end all moral imperative, despite it being statistically irrelevant, most violent deaths of blacks coming from their fellow man equally manipulated and primed by the people in charge.

I could sit here and explain how and why each institution is using a magnifying glass to generate these political issues in the minds of the public but every time I demonstrate it for a person uniformed i have to sit here and dredge up examples of how no one in schooling, or media, or government has your interest at heart until you accept it. But It's such a pain in the ass to explain such things that I'm not going to do it.

I'm not cheering the guys death, he wasn't winning any nobel prizes, and dozens of americans of all colors have died in similar police abuse situations. But if you think there is any righteous anger here there isn't. Micheal Brown, Trayvon, and such were all cut and dry defense cases given the magnifying glass by institutions. The one time innocent people die, like the cigarette guy getting choked to death or Philandro Castile getting shot, doesn't count because the police officer isn't white. Again, its all just propaganda.

[Anonymous No.15497430]

>>15496779
Nah OP made himself clear. You’re a brain damaged tranny imbecile.

[Anonymous No.15497641]

>>15497365
I have totally failed to really get anything out of reading the last psychiatrist. It seems like it's for someone exactly like me, but made extremely furious and confused by everything

[Anonymous No.15497676]

>>15496880
Not if they have a gun that can kill you from very far away.

[Anonymous No.15497682]

>>15497430
>projecting this hard

[Anonymous No.15497695]

>>15497127
>I was not addressing leftists, just the enemies of leftists
>I called them leftists anyway
Nice going, genius.

[Anonymous No.15497698]

>>15496733
>it now transfers legitimacy out of the hands of states
Nah

[Anonymous No.15497704]

>>15497641
Everything is narcissism. There you go, that's 90% of TLP. He's not wrong.

[Anonymous No.15497714]

>>15497695
You have no idea how boring and stupid this 'leftist' word game is. If anon starts calling them liberals or progressives instead, which everyone understood he meant, what exactly will you have gained? Ownership over the word leftist, which you don't need because you already have the word socialist.

And they're not really your enemies, you team up with them all the time to attack fascists and other actually right wing people

[Anonymous No.15497722]

>>15497401
good post anon

[Anonymous No.15497732]

>>15497714
Imagine being this confused and ignorant.

[Anonymous No.15497738]

>>15497714
Liberals = rightwingers, moron. You're the only one here playing word games are trying to be cute with labels.

[Anonymous No.15497742]

>>15497732
you know damn well Im right, you guys just fetishize that word. It accomplishes fucking nothing

[Anonymous No.15497746]

Leftists ARE right-wingers you fucking moron. Read a book.

[Anonymous No.15497751]

>>15497738
Then why do liberals and socialists team up against fascists and monarchists?

[Anonymous No.15497769]

>>15497751
Socialism is the liberal counterpart to communism. Broadly, socialism refers to top down aid to stop the proles from rioting and to undo any worker/class unrest with scraps from the table. Communism is more like grass roots worker movments.

[Anonymous No.15497771]

>>15497746
This is what rightwing libfags actually believe.

[Anonymous No.15497774]

>>15497401
This isn't just about Floyd. There is an unarticulated discontent throughout the populations that are protesting and rioting. Is it any coincidence that these protests came at the end of a uniquely stressful and frustrating 6 months. The people who don't care about the police brutality and racism were already out there protesting the lockdown.
So while you are very much on the right track with your critique of the media, you are still prey to the way the media structures it's narrative.

[Anonymous No.15497778]

>>15497769
Give an example of what you're calling communism, because you're restricting the left half of the political spectrum to what sounds like an absolutely tiny group of irrelevant people.

Never mind that calling liberals right wing is deeply fucking dumb considering the origins of the word

[Anonymous No.15497782]

>>15497769
You've never read a book in your life, have you? Dunning-Kruger in full effect.

[Anonymous No.15497789]

>>15497769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRXvQuE9xO4

[Anonymous No.15497805]

>>15496733
marxism and the national question by j.v.stalin

[Anonymous No.15497809]

>>15496757
great read but boy is it a mouthful of blackpills. now i find myself wondering if the riots are being allowed so that big tech and security agencies can collect the data from all those smartphones to improve anti-insurrre

[Anonymous No.15497815]

>>15497809
...ion architectures in the future. sort of a digital hausmannism

[Anonymous No.15497819]

>>15497778
>>15497782
>>15497789
Marx actually goes over this somewhat in the introduction to the Communist Manifesto. It's one of the absolute most basic things you have to understand to get what the Communist Manifesto is doing, what kind of text it is.

[Anonymous No.15497826]

Left wingers are the establishment.

right wing is the new counter culture

[Anonymous No.15497841]

>>15497826
Examples?

[Anonymous No.15497852]

>>15496733

[Anonymous No.15497872]

>>15497769
>Communism is more like grass roots worker movments.
Nietzsche more or less understood this, which is why he calls socialists the "dumbest and the fewest" or something along that line. It's the uprising of his Chandala, workers who have been manipulated by the world's most resentful dogs to hate themselves.

[Anonymous No.15497877]

>>15497841
all the rightwingers were banned or shut down

[Anonymous No.15497883]

>>15497877
...again, examples?

[Anonymous No.15497896]

There's a post by Nick Land somewhere on XS where he compares capital to the scifi movie series Terminator and Alien. It is an elusive predator that hunts its enemies with deceptive forms or concealed in the shadows. Once the defeated prey's body/bodypolitic is co-opted or penetrated, it uses the prey's form in a new hunt or to give birth to new predators.

[Anonymous No.15497903]

>>15497896
I forget how retarded Land is sometimes.

[Anonymous No.15497949]

>>15497676
women have worse aim than men. i kill her first.

[Anonymous No.15497952]

>>15497826
>the ruling class are the people who want to abolish the ruling class
Imagine thinking that makes any sense.

[Anonymous No.15497961]

>>15497952
>abolish the ruling class
only people I see saying this are anarchists. Commies are all 'just let us take control lol, the state will wither away'

[Anonymous No.15497968]

>>15497872
the part in byge where he says that the Christianity of his day will turn into the democracy movement or whatever called the idpol puritanism a century in advance

[Anonymous No.15497987]

>>15497968
Christianity turned into democracy and Judaism turned into communism, and democrats allowed communists to infiltrate the West over the last century.

[Anonymous No.15497988]

>>15497961
Early on the USSR implemented a state capitalist system. Same with China. Marx correctly insisted that it's basically impossible to go from agrarian feudalism to communism. Communism can only come after capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15497993]

>>15497968
Jesus was the original progressive.

>>15497987
Lol, what are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.15498000]

>>15497988
yeah well forgive me for not buying it, I dont give a fuck if you're promising freedom in 100 years, all you're doing is setting up tyranny right now. I'd rather be oppressed by capitalists in a republic than the paranoid assholes that ran the USSR and China

[Anonymous No.15498002]

>>15497993
>Lol, what are you smoking?
Nietzsche's mustache

[Anonymous No.15498004]

>>15497993
No he wasn't, Nietzsche even points out why Christ is nothing like the socialists, because he wasn't resentful, and didn't preach envy, but 'glad tidings'.

[Anonymous No.15498007]

>>15498000
Reread my post.

[Anonymous No.15498011]

>>15498004
Yeah and Christ was a sophist, Christainity was founded on the smug satisfaction of being one of the few to go to heaven and instilling jealousy and fear of missing out in non Christians, its one of the main driving psychological forces of the religion.

[Anonymous No.15498012]

>>15498004
You can't be serious.

[Anonymous No.15498014]

>>15497952
It's more like:
>The ruling class uses cat's paws to smash their nearest rivals to secure more power for itself. Upon victory of the ruling elites, the cat's paws move one step up, and should they threaten the ruling class, they too will be eliminated in a new round of high-low alliance versus the middle (by people below them that want the new middle's position).
Leftists have never understood divide and conquer, because they've been brainwashed by a political ontology that conceals power's practices.

[Anonymous No.15498024]

>>15498012
Have you read Antichrist, he's quite clear about this. He pins slave morality on Paul

[Anonymous No.15498028]

>>15498011
>Christainity was founded on the smug satisfaction of being one of the few to go to heaven and instilling jealousy and fear of missing out in non Christians
The resentiment is oozing off this post.

[Anonymous No.15498030]

>>15498011
You're a Jew projecting about feeling special and chosen, which your religion is explicit about, Christianity is universalizing religion.

[Anonymous No.15498040]

>>15498014
>Leftists have never understood divide and conquer, because they've been brainwashed by a political ontology that conceals power's practices.
You really are completely clueless. Leftists know a million times more about the divide and conquer tactics and subversive identity politics of the ruling class than you will ever know. The fact that you think your little epiphany presents any new insights or information marks you out as just another victim of ruling class propaganda.

[Anonymous No.15498043]

>>15498028
See you are exactly following what I said.
>>15498030
No, it's just another slave morality, a nonsensical one too. It's a slave morality that promises you a very base and hedonistic reward for obedience, and this reward is so great you can shirk all the "delusions" of other people because you know in your heart of hearts you are going to make it. The Jewish spirit never left Christianity it just evolved. It was almost rubbed out and inoculated before Luther went and revived the slave morality roots.

[Anonymous No.15498049]

>>15496773
Because those aren't capitalists who are cheering, it's communist infiltrators.

How to tell the difference between a capitalist with wealth vs. a communist with wealth:

1. The capitalist understands that competition leads to his own innovations and successes. The communist doesn't care about this and hates competition.

2. The capitalist understands that the freedom and health of the market is a benefit to him. The communist doesn't care about this and hates the market.

3. The capitalist celebrates his competitors' victories. The communist despises his competitors for ever winning.

4. The capitalist invests his wealth in others and understands that the system can only be sustained if he invests. The communist hoards wealth for his cronies and doesn't care about the system at all.

5. The capitalist believes in money as a means for growth. The communist believes in money as a means for control.

I'm fucking tired of hearing about "late-stage capitalism is destroying the world" and all nonsense akin to it. It's ignorant. The problems we're seeing have to do with communist infiltrators who have hijacked capitalist societies for the sole purpose of imploding them. They're resentful parasites who have no respect for life and want it all to burn.

[Anonymous No.15498052]

>>15496794
BASED

[Anonymous No.15498054]

>>15498004
Jesus, as presented in the gospels, was quite a keen psychologist. Instead of bluntly telling his followers "you must all consider yourselves as equals", he establishes an inverted hierarchical value system whereby the "smallest will be greatest and the greatest will be smallest". In essence, make yourself into a humble servant to others and you will receive enough 'goodboy points' to get a top rank in heaven. Smart guy.

[Anonymous No.15498060]

>>15498043
>slave morality
Beep boop. Pseud detected.

[Anonymous No.15498067]

>>15498060
>Runs his physical hardware with software written by other men
>Calls people a psued

Absolutely based and ideology pilled.

[Anonymous No.15498084]

>>15498049
>The problems we're seeing have to do with communist infiltrators who have hijacked capitalist societies for the sole purpose of imploding them.
this
what >>15496733 and>>15498040 completely fail to understand is that Yuri Bezmenov predicted this, VERBATIM. We're in the late stages of ideological subversion that started with the soviet union in the 60's and 70's, but the problem is that we're dealing with both the soviet late-stage subversion which has been happening for 40 years as well as chinese subversion which is much more overt.

We're sitting right between the destabilization and crisis stages of ideological subversion.

Also, just like Bezmenov predicted, the leftists, the an-coms, the rioters, the protestors, all of the "useful idiots" will be shot in the back of the head once the "revolution" is over and they're no longer "useful idiots" but simply "idiots"

[Anonymous No.15498115]

It is extremely interesting to me that leftists, liberals, corporations, celebrities, media elites and normies are all uniting under the same cause. How can one movement intersect so broadly? I have a very bad feeling about all of this, it just seems too homogeneous. I think Americans are fed up with this country and how liberalism is working but don't really understand why it's so incompetent, so racism is being used as the biggest scapegoat.

[Anonymous No.15498116]

>>15498084
You're delusional. The subversion is coming straight from the Western liberal ruling class.

[Anonymous No.15498119]

>>15498115
>It is extremely interesting to me that leftists, liberals, corporations, celebrities, media elites and normies are all uniting under the same cause.
In your dreams, libfag.

[Anonymous No.15498123]

>>15498119
Not even remotely a liberal, that's objectively what's happening. Everyone is agreeing on the narrative of BlackLivesMatter, just not the environmental circumstances. Everything else is panic and confusion. Leftists don't know whether to blame white people for starting riots or to celebrate the riots in general. It's a clusterfuck

[Anonymous No.15498132]

>>15497714
>You have no idea how boring and stupid this 'leftist' word game is.
Things would go a lot more smoothly if you simply called liberals "liberals" and not leftists. There's likely a lot of agreement on the substance, but it's impossible to have a substantive conversation if you insist on calling up "down" and down "up".

[Anonymous No.15498142]

>>15498123
No, that's not what's happening. Identity politics is purely a liberal affair. Its function is purely subversive.

[Anonymous No.15498151]

>>15498132
Why don't you just use the words socalism/communism and accept that 'leftist', by the very nature of the word, is going to be applied broadly to an umbrella of leftwing positions over the past 200 years.

[Anonymous No.15498153]

>>15498116
You're naive if you think this situation isn't the work of infiltrators — people who don't actually believe in the system at all, yet still accumulate wealth inside of it and pretend to value what it values. There is a serious difference between the enterprising investor, who is the genuine capitalist (because he understands how investing is what keeps the system working, because money is flow to the capitalist), and the hoarder, who only wants to accumulate wealth so he can avoid having any social responsibility and so he can inflict harm on others (i.e., the communist, who wants nothing more than to clot the system and kill it off for good). These are two opposite forces, and the problems of the West all stem from that corrupting, anti-capitalist force that has infiltrated capitalist societies.

[Anonymous No.15498152]

ITT: pure ideology

[Anonymous No.15498155]

>>15496757
I read this for a class and boy fucking howdy was I not expecting a reading assignment to depress me. And our discussion ended up being a bunch of braindead fuckos advocating for the repeal of the Bill of Rights in order for smart homes to be mandatory.

[Anonymous No.15498157]

>>15498142
It's so purely liberal that Leftists will call you a fascist if you disagree with identity politics.

[Anonymous No.15498160]

>>15498153
this is the worst post i have ever seen on this board

[Anonymous No.15498161]

>>15498153
>everyone on one side is good and everyone on the other side is BAD

[Anonymous No.15498162]

the woke progressive is everyone's enemy

[Anonymous No.15498163]

>>15498160
I'm sure it is, commie scum.

[Anonymous No.15498168]

>>15498160
oh no a post that disagrees with your premises, what a disaster

[Anonymous No.15498172]

>>15496855
Cyberpunk, probably.

[Anonymous No.15498174]

>>15498151
Because "leftist" is a broader term. It applies to any ideology seeking to diminished concentrated political and economic power. That's how it was used in the aftermath of the French revolution and that's how it is used today by non-retards. It has nothing to do with the nuances of bourgeois cultural differences.

[Anonymous No.15498178]

>>15498157
You wish, libfag.

>>15498162
True.

[Anonymous No.15498181]

>>15496855
I doubt neo feudalism with corporate dictatorships and republics will happen but it sounds cool as fuck.

[Anonymous No.15498184]

>>15498174
*seeking to diminish

[Anonymous No.15498187]

>>15498174
>That's how it was used in the aftermath of the French revolution
To refer to Liberals and Republicans for fucks sakes. The revolution was not about Communism It was between Monarchists and liberals

[Anonymous No.15498190]

>>15498187
Holy fuck you're dumb. Read a history book.

[Anonymous No.15498191]

>>15497038
You need to read Human Diversity

[Anonymous No.15498193]

>>15498168
>>15498163
nah, i like capitalism, but that post is retarded. it makes history seem like good guys vs bad guys. i think whoever posted it is trying to trojan horse da joos did it but that's easily the most retarded presentation of zog ive seen

[Anonymous No.15498196]

>>15497896
If anybody happens to have a link to this, I would appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.15498198]

keep the /pol/ tourists away

[Anonymous No.15498202]

>>15498161
Everyone on the other side is evil, not bad. There are bad capitalists — ones who aren't very wise and make poor investment decisions, and so on.

The other side, though, really has no concern for others; it's motivated solely by its resentment towards others. It wants, above all else, to be free of "other people" — communism always starts with resentful losers who begin teaching workers to hate themselves. The goal there is to put themselves in the position where they can have others do their bidding without consent. If that's not evil, I don't know what is.

[Anonymous No.15498210]

>>15498191
Does it address how much of a strawman this retarded post constructed >>15496973 ?

[Anonymous No.15498211]

>>15498202
Capitalism lacks morality. Where did you come from with this evil-good dichotomy?

[Anonymous No.15498217]

>>15498202
Take your meds, nutbar.

[Anonymous No.15498226]

>>15498190
The left wing of the French Revolution were republicans opposed to the right wing who were Monarchists.

[Anonymous No.15498231]

>>15498211
I'm using "evil" in the sense that it's poisonous to life. You can try to persuade me via dialectic that a disease that kills humans isn't a universal evil to humanity all you want, but you'd be someone with malicious intent for attempting to do so.

[Anonymous No.15498233]

>>15498049
This is utter horseshit. Communists didn't successfully infiltrate anything. No aspect of American society is communist in nature, it's not even collectivist in any vague sense.
What you're seeing is exactly what capitalism selected for. When firms just keep succeeding and are left to expand endlessly, of course they hate competition and hoard wealth. The ones that don't get squeezed out, capitalism explicitly punishes anyone too squeamish to get their hands dirty like that. Why do you think Jews so effectively succeed everywhere that capitalism goes? Because it rewards their backstabbing kikery above all else.

[Anonymous No.15498235]

>>15496777
Checked and why are they all white text on black background jpegs? Its kind of creepy that these corporate cloutposts seem to all follow the same template.

[Anonymous No.15498238]

>>15497769
Dilate.

[Anonymous No.15498239]

>>15498226
No shit, Sherlock. Left = "any ideology seeking to diminish concentrated political and economic power".

[Anonymous No.15498242]

>>15498202
capitalism is also people doing their bidding without consent. literally every functioning society in history is based on a hierarchy that forces people to comply with the demands of superiors for the sake of both the superiors and the survival of the group, although to varying degrees depending on the wisdom and benevolence of the leaders. good institutions align public and private interest etc. if you think we shld go back to hunterer-gatherer than youre being consistent but otherwise you live in a fairy tale.

[Anonymous No.15498244]

>>15498239
You just spent half an hour sperging out because someone described Liberals as Leftists, and you're now admitting that the original use of the term leftwing applied to Liberals?

[Anonymous No.15498249]

>>15498233
>What you're seeing is exactly what capitalism selected for.
Capitalism never consciously elected deceptive nihilists who don't believe in the system and in fact despise it. This shit makes no fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.15498253]

>>15497841
Human history since the French revolution.

[Anonymous No.15498258]

>>15498244
No, you unremitting moron. Liberals are not leftists.

[Anonymous No.15498262]

>>15498249
Hate the system? Why would they? They WON the system. They're sitting at the top of it. For what fucking purpose would they dismantle it when they're sitting at the controls?

[Anonymous No.15498266]

>>15498258
Then the Liberals who were called left wing when the term was invented during the French Revolution are what exactly?

[Anonymous No.15498270]

>>15496733
try this anon

[Anonymous No.15498271]

>>15498249
You're too dumb even for /lit/. Go back to freerepublic.com or wherever you come from.

[Anonymous No.15498282]

>>15498258
>>15498266
This is why left and right are retarded terms and you should both stop trying to apply them to anything from the past century

[Anonymous No.15498284]

>>15498249
No, you're the one without any idea of what he's talking about. Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

Capitalism, if left unrestricted, will turn into corporativism. Corporations will be able to bend even states and distort society, causing conflict. This is what's happening right now. This is the US.

[Anonymous No.15498288]

>>15496733
Just wanted to point out the "left" is several separate ideologies and what's causing your confusion is that the rhetoric of them is just being remixed by retards who took bits and pieces from half read manifestos.

[Anonymous No.15498290]

>>15498266
occupying what was at the time a left position

[Anonymous No.15498301]

>>15498231
Communism is evil because it's a disease. It's a disease because I say so. Capitalism is morally right. No such thing as hoarders.

You're out of your mind.

[Anonymous No.15498304]

>>15498266
In the original context of the French revolution, Right = defenders of the Monarchy and Ancien Régime, Left = opponents of the Monarchy and Ancien Régime. There is no liberalism involved.

[Anonymous No.15498314]

>>15498242
>capitalism is also people doing their bidding without consent.
No, it isn't, and here's why.

Capitalists see money as flow. They don't actually care about money in itself at all, only what money can do. They understand it as an instrument for keeping things flowing, for providing an incentive for workers. Further, they understand that competition and a healthy market is what leads to innovation (i.e., when supply meets new demands), which is an intricate part of that flow. When new demands are met, people remain happy, and they continue working, and innovating, and humanity continues to see developments in all sectors that benefit and interest it.

Capitalists invest their money all the time, because, again, they don't care about money in itself. Money is flow, and so it has to keep moving somewhere for it to still have any value. Having money means having the power to make something grow. For this system to work, others must also benefit occasionally — it can't all be you and your side benefiting all the time. If you cut off the other's access from any victory totally, you're going to weaken the market, which is going to disrupt the flow; new demands won't develop, and then new innovations won't occur, and then people will become less happy, and then there will be less incentive to do anything. Eventually, it all crumbles, unless the wealthy keep investing in others, and the flow is kept up.

Workers aren't doing others' bidding without consent in this situation. They are receiving plenty in that situation. They are being kept healthy and free so that the system can remain in flow. The only ones who get cut off from this health are the ones who don't want to play ball, because by not playing ball, you're killing the game for everyone. Why should you benefit from the other players' efforts if you don't put in your effort in the game too?

[Anonymous No.15498318]

>>15498304
>, Left = opponents of the Monarchy and Ancien Régime.
they were literally liberals

[Anonymous No.15498320]

>>15498318
Nope.

[Anonymous No.15498335]

>>15498262
>For what fucking purpose would they dismantle it when they're sitting at the controls?
See >>15498314

The system doesn't benefit them, because it involves taking turns occasionally. They don't really care about the system, even if they pretend to.

>>15498284
If you haven't noticed, lots of corporations haven't actually operated capitalistically for quite a while now. They operate exactly in the communist fashion that I outlined here >>15498049

That's not capitalism being left unrestricted. That's capitalism being infiltrated by its nihilists and opponents.

[Anonymous No.15498338]

>>15498314
>Capitalists actually don't care about money and if anybody is unhappy it's no longer capitalism
Did PragerU develop sentience, holy shit

[Anonymous No.15498343]

>>15498335
>lots of corporations haven't actually operated capitalistically for quite a while now
What the fuck are you talking about? Capitalism just means private ownership of the means of production.

[Anonymous No.15498344]

>>15498239
Lmao imagine thinking leftists wanted to do anything but consolidate political power

[Anonymous No.15498348]

>>15498314
Are you perchance a fanfic writer?

[Anonymous No.15498349]

>>15498344
Yeah, I heard they are big fans of monarchy.

[Anonymous No.15498350]

>>15498349
Praise Mao

[Anonymous No.15498354]

>>15498335
There is no such thing as a business operating "in a communist fashion" you fucking retard, especially not one making shitloads of profit while paying the majority of its employees minimum wage
Where the hell did you get any of this stuff? Is this what happens when you get 100% of your knowledge of politics and economics from watching news pundits?

[Anonymous No.15498358]

>>15498335
Dude just stop making shit up.

[Anonymous No.15498363]

>>15498320
Really? You'd call their economic policies socialist?

[Anonymous No.15498364]

>>15498335
>The system doesn't benefit them, because it involves taking turns occasionally

Holy shit, this doesn't even deserve a response.

[Anonymous No.15498371]

>>15498338
Your brain is rotted from decades of bullshit takes on capitalism and communist propaganda. Capitalists invest their money in others, they all do it because that's part of the capitalist philosophy. Anything opposing this philosophy evidently opposes capitalism.

>>15498343
All the corporations sitting on their wealth meaninglessly, with managers pocketing exorbitant salaries every year, and restructuring their departments slowly but surely into a flat organizational design, don't operate in a truly capitalist manner. These corporations have infiltrators meddling in the background somewhere.

[Anonymous No.15498375]

>>15498371
Capitalism is a philosophy now? You're outdoing yourself every post.

[Anonymous No.15498376]

>>15498354
>>15498358
>>15498364
Not surprised /lit/ is full of communist apologists. The internet is full of you seedy fuckers who don't actually read jack shit.

[Anonymous No.15498381]

>>15498375
Economics and politics is part of philosophy, moron.

[Anonymous No.15498387]

>>15498371
You're wrong in such a bizarre way that I genuinely don't know how to even communicate with you.
Where did you get this worldview from? This reads like that one page from an Ann Coulter book that gets posted sometimes.

[Anonymous No.15498388]

>>15498376
Dude you're arguing for capitalism without even knowing what it is. Even the most rabid libertarian would be ashamed of you.

[Anonymous No.15498402]

>>15498387
If you're being serious you have an extremely selective experience with political ideas

[Anonymous No.15498406]

>>15498387
I'm not wrong. It seems bizarre because we're decades into "late-stage capitalism," which is really just "communist-hijacked capitalism," and everyone's vision on what capitalism and communism entail is fucked. It's an investigation for the world's top historical theoreticians.

>>15498388
You're clueless. Precisely the "useful idiot" these communist hijackers want working for them.

[Anonymous No.15498411]

>>15498406
Idiot.

[Anonymous No.15498418]

>>15498411
you're the one incapable of even responding to someone who defines terms differently than you. Clearly a sign of spending all your time in echo chambers

[Anonymous No.15498421]

>>15498418
How do you intend to argue if said definition is exclusively used by you?

At least try to explain yourself instead of blurting an incoherent ramble.

[Anonymous No.15498428]

>>15498406
Every single aspect of American society is firmly capitalist. Communism is not "capitalism but when people don't play nice," like some grifter successfully convinced you. Read a fucking book.

[Anonymous No.15498435]

>>15496733
i buy basically everything second hand fuck giving these virtue signalling capitalists any of my money

[Anonymous No.15498449]

>>15498428
>Communism is not "capitalism but when people don't play nice,"
A communist isn't a capitalist who doesn't play nice, it's someone who doesn't play at all but pretends to be someone who other players can pass the ball to. You pass the ball to him and he runs off with the fucking ball because he was a lying piece of shit who hates you and the game you're playing. That's a communist.

Wars may have ended for the winners decades ago, but they never end for bitter losers. These losers have had decades to set up shop and bleed everyone dry without any intention of maintaining that flow. This is where we are now.

[Anonymous No.15498466]

>>15498449
Oh my God shut up.

[Anonymous No.15498477]

lmao /pol/tards are literally schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.15498478]

>>15498466
Eat shit. It should be considered treason to live in or do business with capitalist societies and not reinvest excess monies into other businesses.

[Anonymous No.15498483]

>>15498428
all credit is centralised, the markets are a centrally planned work of fiction, controlled by an international cabal of money-printing usurers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedspeak

[Anonymous No.15498486]

>>15498449
i hope the protestors destroy lots of businesses and property to spite you

[Anonymous No.15498487]

>>15498486
You probably hoped for that regardless of this thread.

[Anonymous No.15498489]

>>15498449
Why are capitalists failing to be in charge of capitalism and being out-competed by your so-called infiltrators? Does communism work better at successfully running a capitalist business than capitalism does? The implications of your nonsense are a bit intriguing

[Anonymous No.15498494]

>>15498466
Even if you think he's wrong you look worse than him because you literally aren't saying shit

[Anonymous No.15498497]

>>15498489
i think its a bit, well executed

[Anonymous No.15498501]

>>15498494
I've already said my opinion but instead of countering it in anyway, you keep dancing around your stupid definition of what capitalism and communism are.

[Anonymous No.15498502]

>>15498489
This shitfest was entertaining to watch on the sideline but I think the guy is confused because its only real capitalism if it follows "the rules" meanwhile capitalist markets are just a cooperative economic game played between people and rules must be enforced by the state. But obviously if a producer could influence the consumer and the state to get more points in the game, they will just do that. Suddenly they are communists all secretly trained in the Frankfurt School because they are just making the most optimal play to get the most money.

[Anonymous No.15498507]

this paranoia is founded on the idea that a unifying notion against the police by multiple ethnicities arrives from corporations like Sony, when it obviously arrives from people and is coopted in part by corporations. I don't see how the future you imagine, where everyone loves Sony, follows from what is happening in the streets. it makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.15498508]

>>15498489
>Why are capitalists failing to be in charge of capitalism and being out-competed by your so-called infiltrators?
You clearly don't know how resentment actually works. Do you not understand why Nietzsche considered resentment the bane of mankind? He deemed it the worst possible thing! Why? Because it festers throughout a person's ENTIRE LIFE and poisons their entire well of being. Resentful, bitter commie losers have spent literal decades putting up a facade as businessmen who seemed to be in the loop as to how capitalist society is meant to run, but rather than reinvest their monies, they hoard them. And what do they do with all that hoarded wealth? They buy out politicians and law enforcement so that they can slowly but surely reverse the whole system in their petty, revolting favor.

[Anonymous No.15498511]

>>15498507
>when it obviously arrives from people
ah yes, from 'people', very specific

[Anonymous No.15498520]

>>15498489
ever since 1971, when the gold standard was abolished, central banks have had infinite capital
eventually hyperinflation (collective loss of faith in jew-paper) will restore capitalism
until then, statist central planners rule the roost and misallocate as they please

[Anonymous No.15498524]

>>15498507
Every bit of media and public schooling preps the idiots in the streets the think anything they're doing is moral or justified, in reality its just a trained response to propaganda, again statistically police violence is getting lower and lower. All of that conditioning is handled in some regard by a MNC or MNC adjacent company to make more money, culminating in companies funding riots in the street against the state itself because the state isn't being cooperative enough to their goals to manipulate humanity and make money.

[Anonymous No.15498525]

>>15498508
So in all these decades that they've been steadily putting these machinations in place, what got communister here, exactly? Socialized medicine and education? Stronger unions? Workers owning the means of production? More red in the flag?

[Anonymous No.15498526]

>>15498511
you want a race science definition or can I be a bit more general and say generations of black people and the most recent generations of white kids who are late and just getting wise to the dehumanization of capitalism?

[Anonymous No.15498530]

>>15498525
>So in all these decades that they've been steadily putting these machinations in place, what got communister here, exactly?
Lies. They lied through their teeth, and the relaxed values of democracy helped them pull it off.

[Anonymous No.15498537]

>>15498524
no school teaches people to go riot wtf. I went to like 5 high schools and a bunch of elementary schools all over the country and no one, even on the hippy island I attended, taught anyone anything radical.

[Anonymous No.15498549]

>>15497021
fucking based

[Anonymous No.15498555]

>>15498537
With the milquetoast egalitarian liberalism you learn in school, combined with the rah rah we have to fight the new nazis, the space nazis, the jungle nazis in the film as a multicultural misfit band of super heroes culture, with a dollop of leftism in college and a sprinkle of having shitty job prospects leads to the normies in the streets. The poor blacks loot because they're poor, the sociopathic really dumb ones rape and kill in the streets, and then Antifa are getting a paycheck from some jew.

[Anonymous No.15498556]

>>15498520
>>15498483
This makes marginally more sense than the Glenn Beck-esque schizo, but I'd argue that the shenanigans allowed after 1971 and corruption of the purpose of the Fed are nothing like communism and are still exactly what capitalism has always been working towards. It's a system that selects for exactly this, it was inevitable.

[Anonymous No.15498568]

>>15498530
>Communism is when people are bad
Then your rambling was less interesting than I thought

[Anonymous No.15498572]

>>15498555
It just sounds like you never got through high school to me.

[Anonymous No.15498575]

>>15498568
Are you really this dumb? I'm not calling these people communists because they lied, I'm saying they lied to the faces of capitalist societies because they're communists who sought to infiltrate said societies out of resentment.

[Anonymous No.15498584]

>>15498575
Then you misunderstood me. I was sarcastically asking what they'd done to implement their communist agenda, because I see absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.15498588]

>>15498575
Yes you're just saying communism bad capitalism good.

[Anonymous No.15498593]

>>15498572
I got two degrees, double the waste of time. The average person is either a consoomer, and ideologue or a sick ethno-masochist or some combination of the three.

[Anonymous No.15498594]

>>15498572
No it doesn't, you're just deflecting to insult him because you know he's right and you have nothing to say.

[Anonymous No.15498597]

>>15498594
>him

[Anonymous No.15498602]

>>15498584
>I was sarcastically asking what they'd done to implement their communist agenda, because I see absolutely nothing.
You don't see the rise in destitution due to weak circulation all around you?

>>15498588
If you knew what capitalism was, you'd understand it as good too, unless you're a communist.

[Anonymous No.15498625]

>>15497030
>read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
>read The International Jew

Both of these are good. Mein Kampf doesn't stand up as well as those two.

[Anonymous No.15498633]

>>15498602
Your entire understanding of what an ideology is comes at it completely backwards. When everybody is successful, somewhere up the line capitalism is happening, and when everybody is struggling, it's because someone somewhere is being a sneaky communist. You really don't grasp that these are systems with distinct, recognizable features, do you?
I'm still curious where you got this outlook from. It's like you fell for the most half-assed news rhetoric on talk shows that most people can smell miles away.

[Anonymous No.15498638]

>>15498594
it's not because I think he's right that he sounds as fucking thick as he does. you don't get taught to love people and recognized their chaotic potential by going to school for two degrees. no black pilled loser who posts on lit is ever going to feel nothing but fear at times like these.

[Anonymous No.15498654]

>>15498638
too many double negatives in that sentence. I mean this dude is a cynical and spiralling dweeb.

[Anonymous No.15498661]

>>15498049
remember when this was a board for people who read books and not illiterate /pol/tards

[Anonymous No.15498666]

>>15498625
one of them is a literal work of fiction and a poor one at that

[Anonymous No.15498673]

>>15498602
>If you agreed with me, you'd think thing good, unless you disagree with me and think thing bad.

insightful

[Anonymous No.15498678]

>>15498633
>When everybody is successful, somewhere up the line capitalism is happening
Dial back for a minute here. I never said that under capitalism, absolutely everyone is successful — only those who play ball are. At least, when the referee is worth a shit, that is.

It's this way because this is the philosophy of capitalism. So long as you play ball, yes, you're going to get your share from it. It actually produces the result that the communists can only dream of producing: everyone getting a share.

Communism is the ideology that comes at life backwards. It perpetuates itself through ignorance. It starts with people who have a weak internal circulation to begin with. The concept of "class conflict" is virtual, a projection from those who fear the system. They fear it because they are too weak for it, they're afraid of responsibility and expectation and hard work and all those things that come with a system that grants everyone who plays some time with the ball. Then the gears of classic slave morality begin turning, and they transform their fears into caricature so as to protect their egos, which they dub class conflict. "There are classes, and I'm the lower class, and I was placed here intentionally by THEM, and THEY are keeping me here, because they fear me!" Except, of course, it's the other way around: they are the fearful ones, and now they're subconsciously coping with their terminal weakness. Nietzsche wrote dozens of times how slave moralists reverse reality in their favor like this, and he was right.

[Anonymous No.15498680]

>>15498638
You don't appear to speak English, but you absolutely do get taught in school to support this shit, witness literally everyone supporting it all over social media.

[Anonymous No.15498686]

>>15497774
It's just bored people collecting unemployment having a bit of opportunistic theft and 5 seconds of fame, don't kid yourself. The only thing this speaks to is the moral bankruptcy of our society.

[Anonymous No.15498688]

>>15498680
My friend you live inside a bubble. How do you get this old being this clueless.

[Anonymous No.15498705]

>>15496733
>What books predicted this?
Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.15498706]

>>15498680
This is like the heel of the face of the West coast progressive living in a bubble. do you live in a suburb in California and think all those counties east of you are teaching elementary school kids about the civil rights movement and ASL and about sex education? ha, exit the bubble please.

[Anonymous No.15498713]

>>15498638
>garbage half retarded English
>suggesting others sound thick
Looks like you don't even have a mind to get pozzed, son.

[Anonymous No.15498718]

>>15498706
>hurr durr they don't indoctrinate this shit in all those places not getting burned down and looted, hahaha, so that must mean it doesn't happen
>you can't explain the riots with your anti-liberalism

[Anonymous No.15498721]

>>15498713
I have a phd. excuse me if my thumbs messed up

[Anonymous No.15498723]

>>15498040
>Leftists know a million times more about the divide and conquer tactics and subversive identity politics of the ruling class than you will ever know.
LMFAO

[Anonymous No.15498735]

>>15498706
have you noticed they're rioting in Democrat cities, ie. exactly where this stuff is pushed, and that twitter is largely run by that crowd as well

[Anonymous No.15498736]

>>15498718
you can explain it with leftist criticism of capitalism, as Zizek has of other riots, or the situationsits did for the Watts riots. You can try to explain it with your anti-liberalism too.

Your posts are less compelling and just less sound

[Anonymous No.15498742]

>>15498049
2/10 bait

[Anonymous No.15498747]

>>15498723
>a literal retard chimes in

[Anonymous No.15498748]

>>15498678
literally read adam smith he talks about how business owners/management conspire against workers to keep wages low
also workers aren't powerless, collective bargaining/failures of capitalism have led to labor regulations being passed before
i get that the current us left is very slave moral but they're also not marxist just edgy liberals

[Anonymous No.15498767]

>>15498748
Adam Smith is good, but he didn't really diagnose the problem well enough, because information about it was still lacking then. It wasn't until Nietzsche and Marx formulated their theories that the source of the problem became much clearer: nihilism, expressed vividly by Marx.

[Anonymous No.15498785]

>>15498735
>democrat cities
this would be more shocking if republican cities existed

[Anonymous No.15498802]

>>15498785
The point is that the places he's talking about with republicans controlling the curriculum are not part of this.

[Anonymous No.15498820]

>>15498802
i don't think that is true anyway, but of course cities that were destinations for the great migration are going to have protests or even riots.

[Anonymous No.15498823]

>>15498084
>Yuri Bezmenov
Jesus christ, where do all you /r/the_donald twats come from? Have you ever even read a book or do you do nothing but watch youtube videos about SJWs and Cultural Marxism? You're adding nothing, spouting off a tired old argument that we've all heard.

You idiots are doing the exact thing you shit on communists for doing when they excuse the USSR. "Oh it isn't REAL capitalism, all the rich taste-making capitalists that you dislike are actually communists." It makes no sense whatsoever, and it leads to almost absurdly stupid posts like >>15498049 where the concept of capitalism is reduced from an economic system to some pathetically vague ethical-moral system that "good capitalists" should all unanimously follow in some imaginary free market utopia.

What has happened is that your competitive system has favored the best competitors, who have turned out to be very unsavory people, for better or worse. You yourself recognize this and take it as implicit criticism of the system, which you then redefine as said system, plus a few unspoken rules. All breakers of said rules (conveniently including all those distasteful successful competitors) are redefined as "communist hijackers" in a truly impressive show of mental gymnastics.

[Anonymous No.15498863]

>>15498823
>What has happened is that your competitive system has favored the best competitors, who have turned out to be very unsavory people, for better or worse.
Unsavory people? No. These are people who don't invest — who don't EXCHANGE. Capitalism is built on the philosophy of exchange. They aren't capitalists just because they make money in a capitalist society. You don't get to redefine what capitalism is just because YOU'RE the ignorant one on the matter.

[Anonymous No.15498873]

>>15498863
So you really are from r/the_donald

[Anonymous No.15498875]

>>15498823
>Have you ever even read a book
Not him, but clearly you haven't. The "cultural cold war" was a thing with two sides and we are living in the remnants of it. Laying the sole blame at the feet of capitalists is monocausal autism of the type of thing done by tankies and parts of frogtwitter. Both Western capital and the Soviet Communism were engaged in ideological subversion otherwise you wouldn't have stuff like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_front

and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION and the accompanying liberal and anti-stalinist communist subversion programs supported by the CIA.

You're as bad as the "cultural marxist" guys.

[Anonymous No.15498879]

>>15498873
why are you guys so incredibly incapable of responding to anything that you haven't heard before

[Anonymous No.15498884]

>>15498873
I've never been to that board in my life. You don't really have an argument, do you? This is an extremely low effort retort you gave me.

[Anonymous No.15498887]

>>15498879
You do nothing but repeat yourself. You're still wrong. Capitalism isn't 'investing' and communism isn't 'hoarding'.

[Anonymous No.15498906]

>>15498666
Do you see your digits? Ask me how I know you're a filthy liar.

[Anonymous No.15498908]

>>15498863
Yes they fucking do. You think Apple and Google and Goldman Sachs just have secret Scrooge McDuck vaults full of gold? They invest and exchange every single day on scales you and I can't even comprehend.
You also make it sound like you think communism is... when somebody hoards money. Can you tell us what you think "communism" is without going off on a character-limit-length rant about good and evil and happiness, or are those the only characteristics you can understand economics with?

[Anonymous No.15498919]

>>15498863
maybe this is an interesting observation, that those communists accuse of being capitalist are often people who acknowledge wealth as power in arguably the same way they do, and that real capitalists are exchanging like an automated number machine toward no discernable end.
maybe it's a correction to argue this, even. but I don't know what it would change to think of things in your way. communism being material and dialectical, I don't think this unveils any logical contradiction other than Ah, so you agree that sums can be reduced and power is a magnitude of wealth How interesting.

[Anonymous No.15498950]

>>15498863
>Capitalism isn't when you run a capitalist business in a capitalist society, it's when you're enthusiastic about trade
Where does a person start and what do they consume to get to such an incredibly fucking odd opinion?

[Anonymous No.15498961]

>>15498908
I'm not going to name anyone specific, but the people I'm talking about don't invest in anything but their underhanded cronies and in organizations and operations that seek to undermine the competition and overall reverse the capitalist structure, because they don't really share the values of the system. That's not investing because nothing is really being exchanged outside of the fortress. This is a trickery of words you're using if you call that investing.

>>15498919
Well, thinking my way is the start of the deep deprogramming that many people need today, kind of like reading Nietzsche for Christians. The subversion is deep. Just the fact that people call it "late-stage capitalism" is a symptom of this corruption. It teaches people to be afraid of exchanging with one another, and it teaches them to lose sight of the exchange value of money, and that fear is the most potent poison there is to such a system. That fear is how people re-enter slavery.

[Anonymous No.15498969]

>>15498961
sound like a dragon supremacist

[Anonymous No.15498974]

>>15498043
>reads 3 pages of nietzsche

epic post

[Anonymous No.15498990]

>>15498785
>this would be more shocking if republican cities existed
There are a few, but they are significantly smaller and even then only red by a small margin. I don't know how anyone can stand to live in cities myself, I find them so dehumanizing. Then again it follows that subhumans populate them.

[Anonymous No.15498994]

>>15498908
>Yes they fucking do. You think Apple and Google and Goldman Sachs just have secret Scrooge McDuck vaults full of gold? They invest and exchange every single day on scales you and I can't even comprehend.
By that definition the USSR was Capitalist. Not that anon, btw.

[Anonymous No.15499073]

>>15496944
>t. seething leftist

[Anonymous No.15499083]

>>15498950
The capitalist business is a front for an anti-capitalist operation if it rarely, if ever, enters capital exchange voluntarily, and if it consciously invests in other anti-capitalist fronts. What don't you get? Don't you see how this corruption can work?

[Anonymous No.15499133]

>>15496868
Often, but not always. You’d have to be a dimwit to think that the global financial system isn’t more powerful than the national government in terms of how society functions. If you believe the global financial system is 100% populated by jooz with not one single white gentile in finance and the stock market is an arm of the Israeli government, then you’re an antisemite. financializatiom means the us economy is primarily controlled by the global financial system and you’d have to be dumb not to know that is true.

[Anonymous No.15499156]

>>15496733
marxists were always the tools to destroy

[Anonymous No.15499186]

>>15496733
Tragedy and hope.
The elite is not even pretending about what they are doing. But people just ignore all the books they right for some reason.

[Anonymous No.15499247]

is this thread just a psyop to create confusion over the meaning of words?

these niggers want to reduce human language to binary

[Anonymous No.15499347]

>>15496733
>>International financial cabal manipulates education and culture for decades to fight the classical conservative statist mentality

Hold on, buddy.

It's white people who brought blacks from Africa and then later kept them and did not send them back.
It's white people who opted for looser immigration policies in 1965.

Stop looking for a boogeyman and start some honest soul searching.
The anglo capitalist greed and the social safety nets (provided by the tech progress of modernity) are more responsible for this than any "financial cabal".

[Anonymous No.15499366]

>>15499347
>It's white people who brought blacks from Africa and then later kept them and did not send them back.
This was before the Scramble For Africa and besides South Africa only the coastline of a few places were colonized.
Blacks were mainly sold by rivaling tribes living near the European colonies for money and to remove rivals.

Further still you should look up the names and religion of the owners of slave ships, there are a specific group which is very, very overrepresented.

[Anonymous No.15499378]

>>15499366
>Blacks were mainly sold by rivaling tribes
I don't give a shit. Even if blacks shipped their niggers to the US for free, the white people could have just said no, but they didn't.

Why not admit that high openness and low ethnocentrism of white people is a weakness that is the cause of a lot of these issues now?
(It was also a strength at various times throughout history.)

[Anonymous No.15499379]

>>15499347
>it’s white people

Big yikes.
You talk about anglos then you mention the 1965 act under a catholic president. I don’t think you know what it is you’re talking about. And your point makes no sense. The right wing blames white peoples as much as it blame anyone

[Anonymous No.15499393]

>>15496733
Almost every left wing or an-archist critique makes an argument in it about the inevitability of co-optation, failure, or state capture.

[Anonymous No.15499404]

>>15496794
Goddamnit, I have to stop lurking this board. I'm bankrupting myself with all the violently spectacular reccs.

[Anonymous No.15499523]

>>15498270
>>15496733
This. Baudrillard predicted this shit. The Agony of Power is related

[Anonymous No.15499601]

>>15499378
Your point?

[Anonymous No.15499654]

>>15499601
My point is that looking for easy scapegoats is lazy nigger tier behavior.

The all (or 90%) white America with conservative values never existed. It was cucked from the start. It's for the most part just a place where people come to make money.

And you cannot ignore the technical progress, the fact that dumb people have been having more kids for centuries now, making the general population dumber and dumber. These are the people that vote for these politicians and these policies and they buy stuff from these pozzed companies.
There are millions of white Americans who don't care about importing non-whites, as long as they get cheaper stuff from Walmart. They only complain when niggers and other degenerates start to chimpout, like they do now.

Blaming capitalism or any other -ism is also lazy scapegoat seeking mentality, btw.

[Anonymous No.15499670]

>>15496777
Based

[Anonymous No.15499679]

>>15496777
How many layers of woke capitalism is this?

[Anonymous No.15499696]

>>15498873
All you're doing here is admitting you came from reddit, and your responses thus far have been nothing but thinly-veiled and childish anger. I'd tell you to go back, but after seeing what it's done to your brain I really hope you don't.

[Anonymous No.15499708]

>>15499654
>easy scapegoats
>wypipo did this
hilariously unaware post

[Anonymous No.15499732]

>>15498863
any books that will make me this retarded?

[Anonymous No.15499746]

>>15496733
https://youtu.be/fg_rhpiyQuQ

Thamster and Keith Woods predicted this

[Anonymous No.15499750]

>>15499708
White people, black people, big nose people... It's on some level just human nature, seeking the easiest way to survive and prosper, fulfilling the base needs and mostly not thinking about any higher ideals or having a long term vision for society.
But, indeed, in terms of US history, people with power have been by and large white people.
If you whine about pozzed SJW ads or joos, but don't mind white people watching NFL or buying Kanye West albums you're a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.15499757]

>>15496733
>What books predicted this?
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-system-s-neatest-trick

[Anonymous No.15499769]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism:_Is_There_No_Alternative%3F

read zis book, fränd

[Anonymous No.15499774]

>>15499696
Are you the anon who was writing those paragraphs about the philosophy of exchange? really brings a interesting perspective on things. Systems are like computers that can never run at 100% and it’s energy output slows down the system, which basically prevents that mindset of exchange to keep the system going (The Red Retards) which they objectively horde their wealth more maliciously than the capitalist, pretty interesting projection if you ask me but let us not deny that the system is disgusting soulless but very effective (see two cheers for capitalism) any books where you got these interesting conclusions from?

[Anonymous No.15499777]

>>15499696
I love how those people were literally giving you the “WOW JUST WOW” treatment on such interesting posts, pretty reddit if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.15499818]

>>15496733
This is exactly what The Culture of Narcissism is about. I'm rereading and have just finished the chapter, "The Socialisation of Reproduction and the Collapse of Authority". Bits of it are fresh in my mind and connections can be made.

>Therapeutic forms of social control, by softening or eliminating the adversary relation between subordinates and superiors, make it more and more difficult for citizens to defend themselves against the state or for workers to resist the demands of the corporation... It [society] demands only conformity to the conventions of everyday intercourse, sanctioned by psychiatric definitions of normal behaviour.
>In the hierarchies of work and power, as in the family, the decline of authority does not lead to the collapse or social constraints. It merely deprives those constraints of a rational basis.

[Anonymous No.15500394]

>>15497383
>Police don't kill blacks any more than they do other groups
Sources?

[Anonymous No.15500428]

>>15499777
I've just read a couple of posts and it's like a throwback to Reagan and Thatcher rhetoric. I assume they've read a lot of Niel Ferguson, I think he's the only famous thinker like that.

[Anonymous No.15500430]

>>15496733
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA american education HAHAHHAHAHAHA.

Dont fucking use the word marxist if you dont even know what marx wrote. He never touched on racial issues. This guy is all hegelian and uses this model for sociologic and econonic analysis. Marx has literally NOTHING to do with race or other american leftist issues. You are fucking retard subhuman american. Educate yourself you dumb piece of shit. Holy shit

[Anonymous No.15500440]

>>15496777
based

[Anonymous No.15500445]

>>15499654
>describes something that sounds exactly like the formation of a lumpenprole class where race is incidental and variable because of immigration
>immediately backtracks on this line of thought to blame skin color
The discussion around class in the US is so much like Newspeak. You can't say working class, you have to say PoC, it's similar enough right????

[Anonymous No.15500457]

Wont this whole thing end up killing more than one person

[Anonymous No.15500478]

>>15499366
You've been reading Sowell and nothing else too much. Elements are true, but it's not the whole picture.
>>15499378
Norman culture, which permeated all the great powers in the rush for Africa, did find the idea of slavery and keeping slaves distasteful in the sense of lifelong servitude. A lot of the political philosophy around this time is around servitude and what is appropriate servitude. I think Locke is especially rich here especially if you also read Filmer, gives you an idea of the lines of thought going on.

[Anonymous No.15500489]

>>15498235
Predominant marketing theory. Probably high contrast gives gravitas and seriousness, and white on black is just different to black on white, or what you'd see every time you read something on paper or in a book (things that aren't cool).

[Anonymous No.15500496]

>>15500457
It's certainly spreading corona. The VE day celebrations sent the UK over an r nought of 1, what do you think this is going to do?

[Anonymous No.15500500]

>>15500430
>He never touched on racial issues.

Are you fucking retarded?

>In Marx and Engels’s understanding, racial disparities emerged under the influence of shared natural and social conditions hardening into heredity and of the mixing of blood.

One example from Marx:

>It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a nigger. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product.

[Anonymous No.15500527]

>>15499654
>you can't blame the ideology that prioritized financial growth at the cost of everything else
I can, and will. Although that ideology is materialism, of which capitalism is only a part.

[Anonymous No.15500539]

>>15500500
>>It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a nigger. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product.
Isn't that in one of his letters where he's whining about his Jewish friend not giving him money? Iirc he was complaining to Engels in order to get Engels to give him some money.

[Anonymous No.15500550]

>>15498049
Unsubstantiated "good vs evil" reductionist horseshit.

[Anonymous No.15500567]

>>15497738
The literal only people in the world who think this are retarded commies on /lit/

[Anonymous No.15500573]

>>15500539
Marx seemed like a pretty based fellow. Apparently he threw feminists out of the club too because they distracted people from the class struggle. I wonder what he would say about today's marxists.

[Anonymous No.15500583]

>>15500445
Ignoring race won't get you to the truth, pal. Blacks overall are a bit dumber and more violent, it is what it is. And I say this without fetishizing whites or anyone else. Most members of any race are kinda dumb and if we want to improve this we need to change the way we look at life.

We need to get our priorities straight. Do we want to waste time and resources with people who can be mediocre at best or do we shoot for the stars and try to achieve real progress?

[Anonymous No.15500585]

Our society literally trains racial minorities to hate us.
What is the fucking purpose?

[Anonymous No.15500592]

>>15496733
Sony has a point. How can all lives matter if black lives don't matter?
Still, japs should stay out of it before they get bombed again.

[Anonymous No.15500594]

>>15499379
LBJ wasn't Catholic. He swore himself in on JFK's Bible but he wasn't Catholic himself.

[Anonymous No.15500597]

>>15500583
>Ignoring race won't get you to the truth, pal.
But you're not ignoring race, you're ignoring class. What a panicked, knee jerk reaction.

[Anonymous No.15500604]

>>15499347
>and did not send them back.
I don't think you're going to make a strong moral case for Liberia friend.

[Anonymous No.15500613]

>>15500597
There's nothing wrong with having classes. We're not all the same.

[Anonymous No.15500614]

>>15500592
How can black lives not matter if all lives matter?

[Anonymous No.15500638]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g

[Anonymous No.15500641]

>>15500613
>There's nothing wrong with having classes
It's not talking about that's problematic, you have classes it's not an option (arguably under another system you can get rid of them) to not have them in somewhere like America but you pretend like they're not really there. It reminds me of the line from Napoleon
>You tell me that class distinctions are baubles used by monarchs, I defy you to show me a republic, ancient or modern, in which distinctions have not existed.

[Anonymous No.15500659]

>>15496973
Your missing out a few factors here. Geography plays a huge role. Humans born in full isolation from society, like a forest, will have no understanding of language or even self. They're neural pathways will be crippling underdeveloped as well. What that signals is that intelligence might have genetic factors, but it also has social ones. Ideas and cultures transmute knowledge as much as 'race' does. Compositing the cultural factors, you can take geographical isolation to a new level. Groups of people, like those around trading ports, were exposed to as many ideas/memes as possible. Sudden developments in one country trickled down to them. This creates an exponential growth whereby geographically connected regions were more likely to be pull ahead of isolated ones. This is only doubly-so if they sit on already valuable resources, or resources that developments in knowledge will suddenly let them access - Europe, for instance, had a huge advantage in coal and iron reserves that enabled industrialization. Add in the factor of small, highly militarized nation states constantly competing against each other- and you get a fuller recipe for why Europe was so militarily advanced [and still behind in many fields like medicine or sanitation] when it turned it finally turned its guns on outside targets.

The further issue is the simplicity of 'race' - Africa, for instance, is not just one group but a variety of different ethnicities, tribes. Similarly racial phenotypes in Europe posit numerous variations in Nordic, Mediterranean, Saxon etc 'races' - if your view of dark people being less intelligent was true, it wouldn't make sense that Mediterranean civilizations were far ahead of fairer tribes around Europe - or why China, India and Egypt were all major cultural powers.

Your ideology - and need to speak in memes - is clouding your ability to see racial inequality as multi-faceted. The leap that intelligence might have a genetic element isn't something I'm contending - the leap that this genetic element is consistent across entire continents, and that inequality doesn't have multi-faceted origins is. You're free to continue to be a racist, but don't think it's on any other ground than emotional reasoning and a lack of experience.

[Anonymous No.15500678]

>>15500641
You're rambling all over the place, IDK what you're trying to say.

[Anonymous No.15500752]

>>15497401
Recommend some books on the subject please, are there any fiction books about this?
That's a good post anon thank you

[Anonymous No.15500778]

post more blackpill book recs

[Anonymous No.15500785]

>>15500778

[Anonymous No.15500877]

>>15500678
Lrn2read

[Anonymous No.15500900]

>>15500550
>Unsubstantiated
lol

[Anonymous No.15501062]

>>15498152
Ideologues are tools for cunning pragmatists. Maybe one day a few of them will come to understand this.

[Anonymous No.15501084]

>>15500614
Oh, i see now.

[Anonymous No.15501111]

>>15496973
Holy shit is that real?

[Anonymous No.15501119]

>>15500659
this is just alluding to the actually socially constructed part of race i.e. the lens that sweeps over the world and decides who is what more or less arbitrarily. I'm a racist and I can acknowledge that this doesn't "make sense" from a certain perspective (since there is not absolute homoegeneity in any race, perhaps people native to eastern france have higher IQ than those in western france or something) but this doesn't actually "debunk" racism, rather it shows that races could be real but are difficult to know and are porous at the edges. All this seems so banal but people get so worked up about it it's crazy

[Anonymous No.15501189]

Chadner predicted all of this

[Anonymous No.15501202]

>>15498191
holy based
>>15500785
kino mike & ed poster

[Anonymous No.15501246]

>>15496759
To bait out replies like this LMAO.

Theory fags on suicide watch.

[Anonymous No.15501387]

>>15500573
He was a resentful prick. Only resentment could make the concept of class struggle a central aspect of history.

[Anonymous No.15501467]

>>15496733
>>15496733
>>15496733
Good thread guys I'll put all the book suggestions in this post for convenience.
1.Shoshana Zuboff's The Age of Surveillance Capitalism
2.Nemesis The Jouvenelian vs. the Liberal Model of Human Orders, C.A. Bond
3.Jacques Ellul et all
4.The Possessed Fyodor Dostoyvesky
5.The Consumer Society Jean Baudrillard
6.The Agony of Power Jean Baudrillard
7.Tragedy and Hope Carrol Quigley
8. Ted Kaczynski's Industrial Society and Its Future
9.The Culture of Narcissism Christopher Lasch

[Anonymous No.15501757]

>>15501119
something you havent considered yet is epigenetics
the trauma and experience of groups of people over enough time measurable change gene expressions in that group that become distinct ot that group, not shared by the groups that did not undergo that experience...
race may or may not exist. it biologically didnt exist like how the classical racists thought it did...but like so many things it gets reified into reality by it infecting the thoughts and behaviors of people.

[Anonymous No.15501812]

>>15498181
that's basically india, and it's not cool at all

[Anonymous No.15501959]

>>15501757
yeah that's kinda like how purely scientific racism has to argue that environment is at the beginning of the causal chain but to a different end than how social constructionists make this point. If differentiated environments are responsible for racial differentiation then superior races technically have strength that is not of their creation. So in a sense this befuddles classical race pride, even if it is warranted in a sense