I've been thinking of converting. what should i read (other than KJV)

[Anonymous No.15460280]

Been an atheist for a while but I've come to a realization. even if god is impossible to prove empirically or even metaphorically and even if my choice of religion is to some extent arbitrary I still feel as though religion has some value. god, like money or human rights, may not exist objectively but we may be better off by believing anyways. how do I convert without becoming a larping faggot?

[Anonymous No.15460287]

>>15460280
>how do I convert without becoming a larping faggot?
read the bible

[Anonymous No.15460296]

Religion, especially the abrahamics are the absolute biggest fucking cope of all time.

FUCK RELIGION

[Anonymous No.15460306]

>>15460296
I think that a secular society will simply find something else to fill the role of religion and this replacement will always be inferior therefore we should embrace religion.

[Anonymous No.15460318]

>>15460280
This. Personal account of conversion of ex heretic.

[Anonymous No.15460343]

>>15460318
thanks man

[Anonymous No.15460417]

>>15460280
>KJV
Use the Douay-Rheims bible, there are some bibles with annotations from Church Fathers and theologians, I think one of them is called the Haydock bible so you could look it up
Ask a Traditional priest by emailing him or talking to him in person for a reading list and how to initiate your conversion process.

[Anonymous No.15460598]

>>15460417
thanks, will do

[Anonymous No.15460610]

>>15460280
>how do I convert without becoming a larping faggot?
Become Reformed instead of a tradcath or orthodox larper

[Anonymous No.15460628]

>>15460598
Do know that he's giving you specifically Catholic advice and telling you to read a Catholic Bible (translated from Latin and not the original languages). If that's what you're interested in go for it, but you didn't give any indication that you were converting to Catholicism (and a specific brand of Catholicism at that) so I thought I might as well tell you.

[Anonymous No.15460637]

>>15460628
I haven't settled on a denomination yet

[Anonymous No.15460655]

>>15460610
Dont do this. Become Orthodox if you care about Truth

[Anonymous No.15460690]

>>15460306
That replacement will always be money, a price to pay, a value to be exchanged for making it (making yourself) a commodity.
That which cannot be exchanged for a different value, one's belief, one's divinity is based on dignity.
Thus atheists will ultimately always have to option to either be a pimp or a whore and, given their "pacifist" (read true Nietzschean weakling) shall always succumb to a powerful master.
But a powerful master from this earthly and inherently evil, godless world.
A master that is quick to fury and knows no mercy, unlike our God consisting of pure unconditional love, The Holy Spirit, between The Father and The Son.

Amen

[Anonymous No.15460691]

>>15460610
how is converting to a religion invented by someone 1500 years after Christ that just ignores the Church Fathers and all others Christians that came before not larping

[Anonymous No.15460698]

>>15460280
Church fathers first thousand years. The Christian God can and has been proved btw

[Anonymous No.15460715]

>>15460610
This is what I would do if I thought Christianity was true. Reformed is clearly the most based and aesthetic form of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.15460724]

>>15460691
>how is converting to a religion invented by someone 1500 years after Christ
I didn't tell him to convert to Roman Catholicism

[Anonymous No.15460744]

>>15460280
>how do I convert without becoming a larping faggot?
1. Join an actual church. Preferably something normal, like the methodists. About churches full of concerts. Whatever denom you choose, you want cradle people.
2. Go to the church. Don't just be in the internet.
3. Sit up at the front. Shake pastor's hands after services. Go to the coffee and donuts. Talk to old ladies.
4. When not talking to old ladies, keep your fucking mouth shut.

Unfortunately, the plague has to be over to do this. But you can start laying plans.

[Anonymous No.15460760]

>>15460744
*Avoid churches full of converts

[Anonymous No.15460773]

Realizing materialism doesn't make a lot of sense did it for me. The big breakthrough was noticing consciousness cannot be reduced down to the elementary particles of physics. Said reduction should be possible if materialism were true.

[Anonymous No.15460796]

>>15460773
that was the catalyst for me too.

[Anonymous No.15460810]

Heres the rundown
>Traditional Roman Catholics
Old ladies, Schizos, repressed Goths
>Eastern Orthodoxy
Hipsters, autistic dudes, and racists
>reformed Christianity
Pastor is a freemason, hipster douchebags, wasp dweebs who wear bowties
>baptist
Everyone is low IQ, jeebus, tight knit community
>anglican
female priests, homosexuals, theosophists, wiccans, socialist christians
>lutheran
dust and cobwebs

[Anonymous No.15460847]

>>15460810
>Eastern Orthodoxy
>racists
Based!

[Anonymous No.15460868]

>>15460280
5 proofs of God by feser
imitation of Christ
confessions of Augustine
These three will give you an excellent starting point for Christianity.

[Anonymous No.15460927]

>>15460280
take this quiz OP; no one is actually catholic these days (thank God)

http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=christiandenom

t. Episcopalian

[Anonymous No.15460939]

>>15460610
No. Orthodoxy is the truth
>>15460655
I can't believe how many orthodox anons there are. I guess since I'm a recent convert I never knew that orthodoxy was the second largest branch of christianity

[Anonymous No.15460950]

>>15460847
I'm just going to say that I feel sorry for all the mexicans and blacks who converted to orthodoxy

[Anonymous No.15460958]

>>15460847
somebody better tell that Asian and Black family in my parish that we hate them and that they aren't my brothers and sisters in Christ!

[Anonymous No.15460961]

>>15460927

[Anonymous No.15460975]

>>15460927
>>15460961
got 100% Catholic in that quiz

[Anonymous No.15460985]

I don't know why they put PCA and OPC together. OPC is much more conservative.

[Anonymous No.15461027]

I honestly have no idea what half of these are.

[Anonymous No.15461048]

>>15461027
sectarian minutiae.

[Anonymous No.15461059]

>>15461048
based non-denominationalist

[Anonymous No.15461062]

>>15461059
>non-denominationalist
just another word for baptist

[Anonymous No.15461075]

>>15461027
More sects is more better anon, protestantism ftw

[Anonymous No.15461083]

>>15460306
Based. Good job anon you're already wiser than every atheist who has ever lived

[Anonymous No.15461086]

>>15460280
Just avoid Abrahamic religions like the plague and you're golden. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.15461100]

>>15460961
>Dude, you don't understand. It's not arbitrary at all. Henry VIII really needed to get that divorce!

[Anonymous No.15461106]

>>15460280
>but we may be better off by believing anyways
So you may be better off by sticking your head in the sand?
Absolute ignorance.

[Anonymous No.15461113]

Read the New Testament

[Anonymous No.15461120]

>>15460280
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[Anonymous No.15461126]

>>15461106
should we do away with all immaterial abstractions that compose our society then? the idea that human rights are intrinsic and inalienable has no basis in objective reality, yet we embrace it because the alternative is far worse.

[Anonymous No.15461130]

>>15460958
Tell them the next time you're kissing their feet or just have your sister relay the message the next time she's over at their place.

[Anonymous No.15461137]

>>15460690
>That replacement will always be money, a price to pay, a value to be exchanged for making it (making yourself) a commodity
I dont agree but even if you are right, why do you care about what other people believe or dont believe? It's none of your business, stay out of peoples lives and do not concern yourself what others beliefs.

[Anonymous No.15461145]

>>15461137
>how does the spiritual/mental health of your community affect you in any way?
unfathomable stupidity

[Anonymous No.15461167]

>>15461145
Spiritual and mental health aren't the same thing. Someone being spiritual may not be christian. If you are concerned about peoples mental health in your community thats fine, but dont bring religion into this.

[Anonymous No.15461169]

>>15461126
The kingdom of god absolutely has a material conception and requirement. Purely transcendental ideologising is in conflict with church dogma and is quite logically false. Try living without believing in innate human rights and you will find Christ’s justice.

[Anonymous No.15461195]

>>15461169
What's Christ going to do about it? Is he going to talk about bread and salt and then get executed like last time?

[Anonymous No.15461213]

>>15461126
Religion and even spiritualism definetely has to go

>>15461169
How about I live my life without denying others their human rights and at the same time not having my own right denied by others, but you can keep god stuff to yourself?

[Anonymous No.15461248]

>>15461195
This next post explains. God acts through individuals and thus your choice to deny human rights puts you in a position in which all your rights are denied. How could one expect a life of enjoyment and pleasure if one is always prepared for the basest behaviour from other humans, and holding no authority to correction?
>>15461213
You can do that, but taking the effort to truly know the father and his son is worth it for some people. Some are innately blessed.

[Anonymous No.15461283]

https://www.pointsprizes.com/blg/12692818/91/10-alternative-games-like-minecraft

[Anonymous No.15461710]

>>15460280
This!

http://bastionbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Twelve-Points-That-Show-Christianity-Is-True.pdf

[Anonymous No.15461739]

>>15461710
>Jesus affirmed that the Bible is the Word of God
Except it didn't exist when he lived. Unless you mean just the old testament.

[Anonymous No.15461774]

>>15461739
He affirmed all scripture, which collected is what we call the Bible. Its a closely related but separate discussion to decide what we ought to view as scripture.

You'll have to read that chapter in the PDF for a full but still concise case. It's not long.

[Anonymous No.15461783]

>>15460280
The Bible is the best book you can read right now, honestly. Just stick to it for now.

[Anonymous No.15461831]

>>15461739
>Except it didn't exist when he lived. Unless you mean just the old testament.
The Old Testament didn't even exist in its current form when Jesus lived.

>>15461774
>He affirmed all scripture
Bullshit. Jesus selectively quoted a few of the prophets and Moses. He never made any general endorsement of the OT. In fact, he challenged it in the important places.

[Anonymous No.15461840]

>>15461831
Reddit atheist take
Read the chapter

[Anonymous No.15461878]

>>15461840
Say again?

[Anonymous No.15461995]

>>15460927
I got 100% catholic too. you are a faggot.

[Anonymous No.15462075]

>>15460610
>reformed
Do they even try to larp as the original church these days? It's so obviously an innovation nobody believed until the reformation.

[Anonymous No.15462104]

>>15460280
>god, like money or human rights, may not exist objectively but we may be better off by believing anyways.
God's supernatural, while the other two are not.

[Anonymous No.15462109]

>>15461120
>proceeds from the Father and the Son
>and the Son

[Anonymous No.15462185]

>>15460280
If you do not believe in God, do not become a Christian. It’s almost baffling that I even have to say this. Christians have to believe in God.

[Anonymous No.15463228]

>>15460280
cringe

[Anonymous No.15463922]

>>15461774
>He affirmed all scripture
No he didn't. He affirmed his own teachings which was later compiled by the apostles through various gospels and letters. And even his take on the Old Testament was not in line with how it was to be understod, which is part of the reason he got killed.

[Anonymous No.15465312]

>>15462075
Why would we need to LARP?

[Anonymous No.15465328]

>>15460280
>may not exist objectively but we may be better off by believing anyways
this is literally the main thesis of Jordan Peterson; I'd suggest you just go read his books or watch his lectures on youtube

[Anonymous No.15466244]

>>15461137
I do care what other people believe beacuse the results of their beliefs are their actions which barry consenquinces outside of "their business".
Giving this protestant ideal of laissez faire faith is not sustainable because it is based on contradictions (like two runners in a race praying to God for the other one to lose) which, to actual conflict (actual as in of a substance and matter), open other non-divine platforms to resolve divinity. At best it's national, at worst it's economical.

>If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand
>Mk 3:25

Live-and-let-living does not and cannot work and, in the best case scenario, to avoid even further discorse you have to submit to the Holy Texts or shall be destroyed because your satanic influence is too dangerous to be left unchecked.
Evil powers of the devil may take all shapes and forms and a human being is nothing new and exceptional to it. In the times that we live in, it is almost exclusively the form that it chooses to take. There is no wrong doing in helping in the liberation from evil, and yes it is perfectly fine to rid the Earth of a person who wishes to "leave everyone to their business" opening more and more platforms for endless and aimless human pain and suffering.
Even more so than with a poor, deluded, all-out satan worshiper.

Amen.

[Anonymous No.15466779]

>>15460927
I got 100% Catholic

[Anonymous No.15466800]

>>15461120
Based filioque poster

[Anonymous No.15466954]

>>15460927
Uhhhhhh guys?
At least I got 0% Mormon
t. Bad Catholic

[Anonymous No.15467056]

>>15460306
Not the best reasoning honestly, but still quite based.

[Anonymous No.15467066]

>>15460637
Don't settle on any one particular denomination yet, just focus on finding your own way Anon.

[Anonymous No.15467084]

>>15460810
so which one do I pick

[Anonymous No.15467093]

>>15460810
>wasps
>not anglican
wait a minute

[Anonymous No.15467096]

>>15467084
Reformed

[Anonymous No.15467127]

>>15467096
wasn't this dude an anglican?

[Anonymous No.15467128]

>>15460927
100% Anglican yeah boy.

[Anonymous No.15467144]

>>15467093
My high church Episcopalian parish is stocked to the gills with dudes who look and dress exactly like Tucker Carlson. I think some of them end up in nu Reformed circles, but we own the brand.

[Anonymous No.15467159]

>>15467084
It's something you will have to find out for yourself.

[Anonymous No.15467162]

>>15460927
PRAISE HIM!

[Anonymous No.15467171]

I just was going to ask /lit/ a very similar question.
I am irreligious, I have many doubts about God. But I see the fulfillment and inner peace that so many people get from their faith and I want a piece of it.
What do

[Anonymous No.15467181]

>>15467144
>nu Reformed circles
these exist? like Calvinists? Presbyterians?

[Anonymous No.15467209]

>>15467171
For starters just go and read the Bible.
If it's too much for you, read the daily readings each day (less than two pages really), make it a ritual when you wake up and think about it during the day.
Helped me a lot.

[Anonymous No.15467238]

>>15467127
Evangelical Anglican
still Reformed

[Anonymous No.15467379]

>>15467181
Twenty years ago the only Reformed preacher of any status was Fred Phelps. Now it's the new hotness in Evangelicalism. Not only do you have new congregations springing up for the historic denominations (like more conservative Presbyterians) but you also see Reformed inflected preaching in megachurches. Even one of the Dugger daughters married a Reformed. That's what I mean by nu Reformed.

[Anonymous No.15467504]

>>15467171
Get the Daily Prayer app it's really good.

[Anonymous No.15467523]

>>15466954
How the fuck did you get 100% Jehovah Witness and 92% LCMS Lutheran? And how is Catholic so low?

[Anonymous No.15467531]

>>15467084
Read the Church Fathers
>>15467171

[Anonymous No.15467541]

>>15467171
Sorry I didn’t actually respond to your post. Look into Aquinas or something. Be sure to read the Bible. Realize that it is likely you have a lot of misconceptions about God and Christianity that can be answered.

[Anonymous No.15467751]

>>15467171
What are your doubts?

[Anonymous No.15467790]

>>15467379
>Now it's the new hotness in Evangelicalism
Its a cycle. Calvinism gains popularity for a few decades and then its back to Arminianism. Only the confessional churches are consistent.

[Anonymous No.15468909]

>>15460610
>Become Reformed
Yes take the Calvinpill.

[Anonymous No.15469240]

>>15460280
Hello OP, I'm someone who has browsed this site for years. I have converted and have practiced Catholicism for the last three years. It is the greatest thing that has happened to me, and I have found healing and purpose in innumerable ways. First, I will urge to you that the Roman Catholic Church is the real Christian church. Some may stand up for Eastern Orthodoxy, but avoid Protestantism if you appreciate intellectual depth, coherence, and connection to the church Jesus founded. With that being said, for someone in your position, my best recommendations are to read some books by the Protestant author CS Lewis: Screwtape Letters to wake up to the spiritual life which your soul is involved in even now, Mere Christianity as a framework for the whole Christian message, and The Great Divorce for an understanding of heaven, hell, and the virtues. These are great introductions and will prepare you for the heavier hitters. God bless you. I will pray for your salvation and awakening.

[Anonymous No.15469243]

>>15469240
this retard thinks god lives in books

[Anonymous No.15469254]

>>15460306
>God and the gods were apparitions of observation, judgement and punishment. Other sentiments towards them were secondary.
>The human organism always worships. First, it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgement of others), next it will be self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment.
>The individual desires judgment. Without that desire, the cohesion of groups is impossible, and so is civilization.

[Anonymous No.15469257]

>>15460927

That quiz is full of poorly written, unnuanced Y/N questions which seem to reveal the tunnel vision of the author. Also, this is a ridiculously inappropriate way of choosing which doctrine to believe in...

[Anonymous No.15469338]

>>15460760
I know im late to this thread, but what do you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.15469450]

>>15469338
The point is to not join a church where the founder left another church and decided to do their own thing, or where they read the bible and came to the conclusion that everyone else was wrong and that they need to start a church where they finally get it right.

Instead, look for the true Church, as is described in scripture and that the Church fathers continued. There can only be one, and there are certain defining characteristics which scripture also says that it must have.

Protestants going off of the bible alone is completely ahistorical and almost self-contradictory in a number of ways. It's just not how the Church originally functioned and it leads a lot of people away from where the true struggles of Christianity lie - in actually turning from sin, yearning to do God's will, and developing a deep spiritual life. Protestants often end up doing endless bible studies instead of doing actual spiritual readings, because they have nothing else to look at and none of them trust each other.

[Anonymous No.15469470]

>>15469254
Based

[Anonymous No.15469642]

>>15469240
Hey man, don't recommend CS lewis because they might read some of his other works where he explicitly mocks Catholicism. There's lots of other stuff to read by actually good people who don't go off the deep end at all. E.G., introduction to Christianity by Joseph Ratzinger. Then a book on prayer is good, I like Michael Muller's Prayer: The Key to Salvation.

>>15469243
What else is someone supposed to do? Pray with him? Take this guy to RCIA class? Recommending books is basically the best that we can do on 4ch, with the caveat that any set of book recommendations for Christianity should always come with a book on prayer and a recommendation to take up the habit of prayer each day. Otherwise, yes, you end up with just a list of theological / catechetical works without mentioning the soul of the Christian life which is prayer and participation in the Church.

[Anonymous No.15469652]

>>15469450
>Anglican not included.
Needs an update mate.

[Anonymous No.15469657]

>>15469652
this is only for Churches with valid apostolic succesion

[Anonymous No.15469773]

>>15460868
Based recs. Maybe a book on prayer too (The ways of mental Prayer, for instance) and more catechetical works, but this should definitely get one started.

[Anonymous No.15469786]

>>15469657
True, so why include Roman Catholicism then?

[Anonymous No.15469836]

I've heard that the Good News Bible is a good translation.
You probably have to know Greek amazingly well if you want to truly figure it out by yourself. Otherwise you're probably gonna have to trust the Orthodoxes - but beware of Russian Orthodoxes, some of them are notoriously corrupt.

[Anonymous No.15470600]

>>15469338
If the goal is not too larp, avoid larpers. Find a church with cradle raised Christians for sanity.

[Anonymous No.15470652]

>>15460280
>how do I join a religion without believing in it for social gain but convince everyone I'm for real
You're already larping. Assuming this thread itself isn't just something you made to frame
>religion has some value. god, like money or human rights, may not exist objectively but we may be better off by believing anyways
this shower argument which you were imagining using to convince some strawman to bend the knee, in which case you should know that it's just pascal's wager, even pascal admitted it was nonsense, and you're not smart for repeating it.

[Anonymous No.15470667]

>>15469450
Protestants wouldn't have to go off the bible alone if your Church didn't become so comically corrupt that it started selling tickets to heaven. But go off about how the Church originally functioned.

[Anonymous No.15470698]

>>15460280
I would recommend watching some of the videos from the YouTube channel BibleProject and then read the Bible yourself. The reason why I recommend you watch that channel first is because they describe Christianity so beautifully that it opens your mind to believe even if you were previously a staunch atheist.

[Anonymous No.15470699]

>>15469642
>introduction to Christianity by Joseph Ratzinger
This is not a good book for someone new to the faith. The title was a poor choice

[Anonymous No.15470791]

>>15469652
Don’t the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church both view the Anglican Church as invalid?

[Anonymous No.15470828]

alright anons I'm gonna shill for this guy because he's content is very good but I doubt that anyone on this site watches him. I'm shilling in this thread specifically because he's a catholic (convert) who talks mostly about art and why 'classical realism' is a meme and not true traditional art. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-fcBQkifWnuvDutzeEkkAA

[squizoanon No.15470963]

>>15460927
Roman Catholic Church (100%)
Eastern Orthodox Church (87%)
Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (87%)
Evangelical Lutheran Church (80%)
International Church of Christ (74%)

Praised be thy Lord.

[Anonymous No.15471052]

>>15460280
SLAVE MORALITY

[Anonymous No.15471637]

At least convert to something logically consistent like Islam or even Judaism. Christianity is an absolute clown-show of internal contradictions. Why do you think all the Christian countries are absolute dystopian shitshows?

[Anonymous No.15471922]

>>15471637
True, muslim countries are much better

[Anonymous No.15472683]

>>15470667
Did you ever notice that what you just said isn't actually an argument for only using the Bible