/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15454553]

Reminder fascism is the single method of reconciling human authenticity with modern capitalism, indutrilization and mass society. Eternal values and beauty permeates through the factories and crowds. No other ideology even came close to having this.

[Anonymous No.15454560]

>>15454553
Posting Martin Heidegger on your /pol/ thread doesn't make it a /lit/ thread

[Anonymous No.15454570]

>>15454560
That's literally what Heidegger thought you tard

[Anonymous No.15454708]

>>15454553
>>15454570
Wrong. He might have thought that somewhere in the beginning of the '30s, but he changed his opinion soon after.
His later work shows clearly his profound skepticism regarding modern capitalism, industrialization and mass society. Fascism couldn't tame these "beasts" as Heidegger had hoped.
The only thing that can save us now is God. In the meantime, while we wait for God to finish his flight and return, we must turn back towards both poetry and the original (authentic) pre-Socratic way of thinking. We must start again the line of thinking which defines us, and in order to do that we must return to a time when these questions where first asked. Also, the poet is for now the only one who can make something out of the nihilism and current situation of our world. So we must return to his verses as well.

[Anonymous No.15454715]

>>15454708
God Philosophy is so retarded

[Anonymous No.15454720]

Great thread, OP!

[Anonymous No.15454721]

>>15454553
But what if Capitalism, Industrialization and Mass society was fucking gay

[Anonymous No.15454777]

>>15454708
>That's literally what Heidegger thought you tard

>Wrong. He might have thought that
So you mean "right", not "wrong". Please learn the function of words in the English language before deploying them on /lit/, libshit.

Heidegger never apologised for being a Nazi and never expressed any remorse about the so-called Holocaust. Write as much head-canon as you want about him, but he is our guy and nothing you can say or do will ever change that.

[Anonymous No.15454796]

>>15454553
Based

[Anonymous No.15454833]

>>15454553
Incorrect. I do have a sympathy for nationalism,
but you are stupid. You wish that your political view could be rooted on philosophy, read The Black Notebooks, you'll see plenty of criticism towards Third Position Politics (towards the West in general). Most of the media accusations of antisemitism in Heidegger's Notebooks are false and biased, an incorrect liberal interpretation that idiot alt-righters celebrate.

[Anonymous No.15454838]

>>15454833
t. lolberg

[Anonymous No.15454845]

>>15454553
This shit makes my butthole clench
>human authenticity
>eternal values
>beautiful factories and crowds
What a bunch of faggoty meaningless platitudes

[Anonymous No.15454847]

>>15454838
Degenerate, could read a book.
>He disagrees with my alt-right retardation therefore he's a jew

[Anonymous No.15454848]

>>15454847
look up lolberg retard

[Anonymous No.15454851]

>>15454777
>The rectorate was an attempt to see something in the movement that had come to power, beyond all its failings and crudeness, that was much more far-reaching and that could perhaps one day bring a concentration on the Germans' Western historical essence. It will in no way be denied that at the time I believed in such possibilities and for that reason renounced the actual vocation of thinking in favor of being effective in an official capacity. In no way will what was caused by my own inadequacy in office be played down. But these points of view do not capture what is essential and what moved me to accept the rectorate.

>After the failure of Heidegger's rectorship, he withdrew from most political activity, but remained a member of the Nazi Party.

>In private notes written in 1939, Heidegger took a strongly critical view of Hitler's ideology; however, in public lectures, he seems to have continued to make ambiguous comments which, if they expressed criticism of the regime, did so only in the context of praising its ideals. For instance, in a 1942 lecture, published posthumously, Heidegger said of recent German classics scholarship:
>In the majority of "research results," the Greeks appear as pure National Socialists. This overenthusiasm on the part of academics seems not even to notice that with such "results" it does National Socialism and its historical uniqueness no service at all, not that it needs this anyhow.

Most of the claims about him being a fervent Nazi come from Jews. Take that as you will.

>Heidegger never apologised for being a Nazi and never expressed any remorse about the so-called Holocaust. Write as much head-canon as you want about him, but he is our guy and nothing you can say or do will ever change that.

I'm on the right myself, I'm not trying to turn Heidegger into a liberal or some left wing guy when he was clearly right wing. It's just there are differences between Hitler's National Socialism and Heidegger's vision for what National Socialism should have been as a movement. He clearly grew dissatisfied with the movement. Have some nuance in your thought, instead of trying to label with an ideology or the other. Heidegger, like Nietzsche, is not a philosopher you can just label and say "he was a nazi", "he was an anarchist" "he was a communist" etc.

[Anonymous No.15454852]

>>15454553
When the fuck has Heidegger ever talked about "eternal values and beauty"? Zoom zoom thinks he's a neoplatonist, zoom zoom too dumb to read Heidegger. I'm disgusted by lack of moral of the moralists.

[Anonymous No.15454863]

>>15454777
If you were moved to accept the Holocaust as historical fact would that change your views on Fascism?

[Anonymous No.15454876]

>>15454553
jej

[Anonymous No.15454887]

>>15454863

imagine the holocaust was actually real, that would make the nazis even better.

[Anonymous No.15454895]

>>15454887
So if you accepted the Holocaust, it would change your views on fascism positively?

[Anonymous No.15454905]

So are fascists just maladapted young men who have nostalgia for the past because they miss being children? Eternal values and beauty permeates the factories? Are you fucking serious bro? It would be just as boring, no matter how many kikes you slaughter. Get real.

[Anonymous No.15454906]

>>15454863
No. My biggest complaint about Hitler is he didn't understand quite how devious the Jews were and legitimately thought simply resettling them would work. Big mistake.

[Anonymous No.15454915]

>>15454906
But Hitler did exterminate them because we don’t have any evidence of them being deported through the death camps to the “Russian East”. Instead all the evidence available points to mass murder. If they were resettled to the Russian east holocaust deniers should be able to find an example of a Jew unfit for work being transited through Treblinka, Belzec etc but there are none.

[Anonymous No.15454965]

>>15454915
They were moved to the camps during the war, and would have been resettled after hostilities were over. There's no evidence of mass extermination. Maybe 500,000 died from disease outbreaks or overwork. If you believe in showers of poison gas, you're just as big of a mug as the people who once believed in human flesh lampshades, rollercoasters of death, and machines that wanked Jews to death.

The Nazis were the most anal record keepers in modern history and we're supposed to believe they carried out a systematic plan to murder millions upon millions of Jews across multiple sites over the course of years without a shred of documentary evidence. Pull the other one, Goldblatt.

[Anonymous No.15454981]

>>15454570
It's literally the opposite of what he thought you spastic, go read The Question Concerning Technology

[Anonymous No.15454992]

>>15454965
No. Documents like the Korherr report discussed how Jews were not “moved to the camps” but moved *through* the camps to the “Russian East”. The Jews moved through these camps number around 2.3 million. The problem then arises that there is no evidence that any of these Jews were registered in the camps, and there’s no evidence of that they ever left the camps and were transited to the Russian East. Since not a single Jew out of 2.3 million Jews can be found, this is a glaring flaw in Holocaust denial when looked at as an alternative to the accepted history. When it comes to the accepted history, there is tons of witness, documentary, demographic and forensic evidence to back it up. And that’s of course just touching on the camps and not the Einsatzgruppen.

[Anonymous No.15455004]

>>15454992
Also you clearly have no idea about the accepted history. There was no “shower heads of poison gas”. In Auschwitz there were holes in the roof through which Zyclon B was poured. In the Akton Reinhardt camps the gassing was done with a gasoline engine

[Anonymous No.15455081]

>>15454553
>Reminder fascism is the single method of reconciling human authenticity with modern capitalism
Unironically give me books that will argue this?

[Anonymous No.15455102]

>>15454553
>Fascism rejects modern capitalism, industrialisation and mass society
What makes you think it reconciles those? I think reconcile is the wrong word. Perhaps you're looking for "rejects"

[Anonymous No.15455136]

>>15454553
>GNEminder that FASIsoM is the SINGle BEdhot of REgnCILing uMAn Athenthct bit MDRN gaBIDAlism

[Anonymous No.15455151]

>>15455081
Fascism is what happens when capitalism gets scared, they turn to a strong man and create an oligarchy around him.

Nazis didn't enter a war economy until 1943 lul

[Anonymous No.15455163]

>>15454905
Mostly people who recognize that capitalism and liberalism are forces which need to be aggressively restrained, and that abstaining from technology and state organization aren't solutions (since populations that abstain are at the mercy of those that don't).

You may scoff at OP's hyperbole, but fascism is a good (and perhaps the only) answer to the question of civilizational decline. Your choice of language, focus on boredom and knee-jerk reduction of the facist position to 'slaughtering kikes' belies your own juvenille and unserious nature.

[Anonymous No.15455174]

>>15455163
Give me some reccomended reading on techno-fascism and civilisational decline.

[Anonymous No.15455224]

>The Italian term fascismo is derived from fascio meaning "a bundle of sticks"

[Anonymous No.15455233]

>>15454553
Fascism fails because it doesn't rule through God's will. It's a nihilistic ideology just like all the others, with roots in paganism.

[Anonymous No.15455239]

>>15454553
The Eternal Stink Beauty of my Ass.
You idealise community but the reality is people turned on it/ forgot it/ gave up on it/ neglect it is because community is boring, inhibitive, hypocritical and stagnating. It is gay. Find another alternative you fucking crybaby

[Anonymous No.15455269]

>>15455174
Not really into the spiritual stuff myself, but I recognize that it is perhaps the key element in guiding the masses.

[Anonymous No.15455329]

>>15454708
Based

[Anonymous No.15455338]

>>15455269
>the Bhagavad Gita and the Tibetan Book of the Dead are fascist
What fucking retard makes this shit and what kind of moron reposts it??

[Anonymous No.15455354]

>>15455239
>You idealise community but the reality is people turned on it/ forgot it/ gave up on it/ neglect it is because community is boring, inhibitive, hypocritical and stagnating.
And you idealize individuality, yet the reality is that it is adopted and then slowly destroys the nation that hosts it as an absolute moral imperative, since it is chaotic, destructive , destabilizing and progressing straight off a cliff.
Find another alternative before it dooms us all you CONSOOMing prole.

>>15455338
Nigger it's fucking labelled "Spirituality (Esoteric)", why are you on /lit/ when you can't read?

[Anonymous No.15455360]

>>15455354
Why the hell is it called "fascist reading list then" you fucking stupid nigger
kys esotericism is complete bullshit

[Anonymous No.15455363]

>>15455360
>"fascist reading list then"
Read the title of the list, then delete your comments, and then delete yourself from existence.

[Anonymous No.15455367]

>>15455363
Kinda proves that it's gay LARP

[Anonymous No.15455369]

>>15455363
Unironically can't tell if you're being retarded on purpose or not.

[Anonymous No.15455375]

>>15455363
Not that guy but the list seems to allude to these books being guides to Spirituality for the Fascist. But the problem is that the spirituality contained in Vedic texts or Hermeticism is in pretty stark opposition to a lot of core Fascist ideas.

[Anonymous No.15455388]

>>15454553
When you read Mussolini’s essays on Fascism, you get to understand that Fascism was never a “conservative” or a “reactionary” cause, it was surely a revolutionary one, but you can truly grasp even the progressive intention which orients Fascist Ideology, as Mussolini and Mosley themselves have stated, just as an example.
So any schatological or dialectic conceptualization behind Fascism is just as bad as the whole Marxist or Liberal reading of History, since the three are, in themselves, coordinated by the fetus of the idea, yet to be born, that any change is a secularized “god-given” progress.
Ideology is a modernist soul-disease, and, therefore, itself incompatible with Tradition.
Go read some fucking Voegelin and James H. Billington, you retard.

[Anonymous No.15455395]

>>15455367
Everything is a gay LARP aside from Neo-Liberalism frankly, the question is whether a gay LARP can pick up the pieces when it collapses don't think so, but it's still fun to entertain as a hypothetical.

>>15455369
Ditto.

>>15455375
I think you misunderstand what the purpose of those texts is, frankly.
It's not for them to embrace the ideas presented wholesale, merely to reinforce the concept and potential of esotericism.
For example, you would read the Quran for an introduction and ability to conceptualize a Monotheistic god, not that you would embrace Allah himself, per se.
The same applies to the Indian texts presented.

[Anonymous No.15455396]

>>15455269
>Fascism The Total Society
>Fascism Integralism and the Corporative Society
>H.R. Morgan
Who exactly is this guy? What are these books? I can't find any information about him online. I have some serious doubts about the credibility of these books. Same goes for the cheaply printed Essays on Fascism which despite the alledged author only contains one essay 'written' by Mussolini (likely ghostwritten by Gentile).

[Anonymous No.15455413]

>>15454553
>Reminder fascism is the single attempt at reconciling human authenticity with modern capitalism, indutrilization and mass society. The illusion of eternal values and beauty permeates through the factories and crowds. No other ideology even came close to having this.

FTFY

[Anonymous No.15455426]

>>15455413
Illusions can be pragmatically important.

[Anonymous No.15455449]

>>15455426
This.
Just as Sorel said.

[Anonymous No.15455646]

>>15454553
True

[Anonymous No.15456648]

>>15454715
>t.bugman

[Anonymous No.15456676]

>>15455338
if you're an esoteric hitlerist both text preserve historic fragments of aryan philosophy untainted by christianity

[Anonymous No.15456752]

>>15454905
Read Gentile

[Anonymous No.15457959]

>>15454863
Amor Fati

[Anonymous No.15458016]

>>15454915
It doesn't matter. We have a war on the horizon. Keep trying to cope with the fact that our society is falling apart and that we have an enemy right in front of us and it's not some spenglarian eventuality that is beyond our control. Cope all you want by using some historical nitpicked lies to avoid the reality of the moment.

[Anonymous No.15458028]

>>15454553
If eternal values are based on Christ, yes, otherwise this is all a larp and you are gay

[Anonymous No.15458048]

>>15457959
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7sZw1qTAp4&t=21s

[Anonymous No.15458086]

>>15455375
>Hermetic
Ok sure
>Vedic
No, you have not read source texts. Even the Gita alone speaks a warrior mentality. Much of the cosmology is reminiscent of Scandinavian myth.

[Anonymous No.15458113]

>>15454553
>the most radical historicist of all time who vehemently argued that all normativity stems from contingent temporalized human praxis is all about ensuring """"""eternal"""""" """""""values""""""" and gives a fuck about beauty
Since you're /pol/posting, allow me to reply in turn:
simp cuck bluepill cringe post. beta virgin basedjack understanding of heidegger. bluepill. cringe. seethe dilate cope cuck simp cuck.

[Anonymous No.15458131]

>>15454553
>Authenticity
This word doesn't mean anything
This post is idealist mumbo jumbo

[Anonymous No.15458139]

>>15455163
>question of civilizational decline.
So, in complete earnesty, will you be able to enumerate the most crucial aspects of this civilizational decline without outing yourself as a faggot?

[Anonymous No.15458152]

>>15458086
Vedanta is not compatible with fascist state worship...

[Anonymous No.15458168]

>>15458131
You don't know what it means, so it has no meaning for you. You could use a technical term in any number of fields and I wouldnt know what it means, but because philosophy othen uses normal words for advanced concepts you think it's gobbledygook.

[Anonymous No.15458175]

>>15458131
Yes it does, you just have to purify it from the corruption it has undergone in the mouths of californian lifestyle gurus.
The german eigentlichkeit doesn't have any of those connotations. It's still liberal mind poison, being so heavily connotated towards the genitive and the individualized, but it isn't meaningless.
I mean fuck, even analytic anglos have appropriated it and turned it into gay pragmatism. You can criticize Heidegger along many lines, but idealist mumbo jumbo is just admitting laziness.

[Anonymous No.15458317]

>Eternal values
>posts MH
kek

[Anonymous No.15458361]

>>15458152
If you cut off the Vedas from all the legal texts and cosmological texts then yes you can say it's against fascism because of its transedent view point. But I would not cut the Vedas out from all the other texts. The only person who can do this is either a priesthood theorizing within a structured fascistic state and structured religious order, or a "liberated" and isolated individual like you who doesbt have a liturgical organization like the people who composed the rg Veda. In other words, you have taken the Vedas out of context and retranslated them to fit your own taste.

[Anonymous No.15458407]

>>15458175
>idealist mumbo jumbo is just admitting laziness
No that is exactly what he is.

[Anonymous No.15458547]

>>15458016
>historical nit picked lies
Ah so the fact 2.3 million Jews were sent to death camps never to be seen again is a “historical nitpicked lies”. These are massive levels of cope. Why don’t you just admit the Holocaust happen but you don’t care?

[Anonymous No.15459038]

>>15458547
And the million or so Germans starved in an open air Jewish backed American death camp wouldent phase you? You are overmphasing one event over many others. That is the lie. Anyways there should be another Holocaust movie coming out soon, go watch it, I'm sure you aren't tired of hearing about the Holocaust.

[Anonymous No.15459044]

Every time I see a fake racist happening take over the news I become more convinced that fascism is a necessary evil

[Anonymous No.15459730]

>>15459044
>fascism
>evil

[Anonymous No.15459791]

>>15459730
There’s no debating that it restricts the rights of the individual
I’m just not so sure that isn’t what we need right now. So I guess you bring up a philosophical question.
Is something that is generally bad still bad if the end result is an improvement?

[Anonymous No.15460215]

>>15454553
Sorry nigga that shit gay

[Anonymous No.15460311]

Define "human authenticity"

[Anonymous No.15460313]

>>15454553
Stop living in the 20th century. All those ideologies are dead.

[Anonymous No.15460322]

>>15459791
Only temporarily. Fascism is basically the wartime government in 1914-1918. You don't have limitless freedom during a war.

Back then the war was fought with bullets and shells. Now it's fought by degenerating us from the inside out.

[Anonymous No.15460390]

>>15460215
Lmao I wish I could show this nigga the commie discords XD

[Anonymous No.15460860]

>>15459791
>There’s no debating that it restricts the rights of the individual
So?
You arbitrarily define the individual, particularly them having rights, as being of paramount moral importance, to violate that is evil, because...you say it is, or rather, dead men who had an underlying spiritualism that tied all of the conflicting ideas that makeup individualism together, say that it was.

[Anonymous No.15460909]

>>15455354
>individuality being an absolute moral imperative
things aren't that black and white, fren

[Anonymous No.15461076]

>>15460909
They are in Muttland and Europe, i.e, the places that matter the most.

[Anonymous No.15461329]

>>15454553
What should I read to /into/ fascism? It seems to me that Jeffersonian Democracy/Fascism/Christian Monarchy are the only ways forward, but I don't know much about what 'fascism' actually is. I always assumed it's sort of a form of monarchy in which the idea of eternal struggle is at the forefront and traditional values are upheld, but there must be more to it than just that.

[Anonymous No.15461341]

>>15454553
Are you talking about right wing or left wing fascism?

[Anonymous No.15461591]

[Anonymous No.15461613]

>>15455269
What, Guenon but no Serrano??

[Anonymous No.15461857]

>>15460390
Liberals wanting to feel edgy don't count, the Soviet Union executed gays.

[Anonymous No.15461873]

>>15461329
Doctrine of Fascism and Mein Kampf. However, it's all old solutions to old problems, irrelevant for the political problems of today.

[Anonymous No.15461981]

the only fasci that had decent appeal imo was jose antonio primo de rivera

[Anonymous No.15462527]

>>15454553
You don't understand Heidegger and trying to resurrect ideologies is a fools errand.

[Anonymous No.15462721]

>>15461329
Mosley is one of the best ways in English to understand what fascism was really about. As another anon said however, this is all old stuff that may not feel applicabale to today. For example, Mosley talks a great deal about the economic potential of the British empire. Iirc in one of his later works he said that modern economic ideas had proved his old economic thinking wrong. I quite like Moldbug as a modern reactionary thinker. Johnathan Bowden was great too if you're an Anglo.

[Anonymous No.15462747]

>>15461329
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Revolution

these guys were basically non-nazi german fascists

[Anonymous No.15462800]

>>15454708
>Also, the poet is for now the only one who can make something out of the nihilism and current situation of our world. So we must return to his verses as well.
I'm sorry mate, I tried but it's almost impossible in our nihilistic age. Both the poet and thinker are dead. We can only poetise and think in our own person to get through the current landscape, through a "beaten track", but no great genius poet, a Hero-poet can arise today.

[Anonymous No.15462830]

>>15458113
>he doesn't know Heidegger talked about beauty
>he doesn't know that rooted human value in being

[Anonymous No.15462878]

>>15462800
Bro, Hero-poets are always a posteriori determinations. These are the kinds of men that are romanticized about after they die. They are born after they die. The kind of person you're thinking of is a messiah. You want a messiah. They don't come along very often.

[Anonymous No.15462885]

>>15462878
Of course, but nonetheless a Goethe was famous in his lifetime. Heralded a great genius even then, and if one is not for the most part he is still famous.

We however have no poetry; what tradition and spirit of our times could it be based upon? Anxiety has already bee explained and forgotten in the modern novel-- there is nothing yet at this time.

[Anonymous No.15462914]

>>15462800
I agree with you and I think Heidegger would say the same.
I think, just as you said, that the role of the poet and the thinker is not to move the masses or to change the world but to give to those few who are searching, for those who are going through this, a certain direction, a certain horizon to which for better or for worse we must hold on.

>SPIEGEL: Fine. Now the question naturally arises: Can the individual man in any way still influence this web of fateful circumstance? Or, indeed, can philosophy influence it? Or can both together influence it, insofar as philosophy guides the individual, or several individuals, to a determined action?
>Heidegger: If I may answer briefly, and perhaps clumsily, but after long reflection: philosophy will be unable to effect any immediate change in the current state of the world. This is true not only of philosophy but of all purely human reflection and endeavor. Only a god can save us. The only possibility available to us is that by thinknig and poetizing we prepare a readiness for the appearance of a god, or for the absence of a god in [our] decline, insofar as in view of the absent god we are in a state of decline.27
>SPIEGEL: Is there a correlation between your thinking and the emergence of this god? Is there here in your view a causal connection? Do you feel that we can bring a god forth by our thinking?
>Heidegger: We can not bring him forth by our thinking. At best we can awaken a readiness to wait [for him].

>Heidegger: If we take as framework for the correlation of art, poetry and philosophy the "culture business" -- then the comparison you make is valid. But if not only the "business" character is open to question but also the meaning of "culture," then reflection upon such questionable matters falls, too, within the area of responsibility of thought, whose own distressed condition is not easily thought through. But the greatest need of thought consists in this, that today, so far as I can see, there is still no thinker speaking who is "great" enough to bring thought immediately and in clearly defined form before the heart of the matter [seine Sache] and thereby [set it] on its way. For us today, the greatness of what is to be thought is [all] too great. Perhaps the best we can do is strive to break a passage through it -- along narrow paths that do not stretch too far.

>http://www.ditext.com/heidegger/interview.html

[Anonymous No.15462935]

>>15462885
Our tradition and spirit is that we have lost our tradition and our spirit. We have an untradition. When you lose something that important to you, it leaves you heartbroken. Heartbreak is the the feeling of unlove. An untradition is to feel unloved. This is the dark age of love. But heartbreak never lasts forever. You either get over it, or it kills you. And in either case, what the fuck is point of worrying about it? If you want to live, then live. Create a new spirit, a new tradition, just for the fucking hell of it, even if no one cares. That's what you wanted, wasn't it? And if you want to die, then die. The essence of humanity is desire, just listen to your desire.

[Anonymous No.15462957]

>>15454553
except it ain't lol

[Anonymous No.15462964]

I'm glad that you guys have found a place where you can type this lame shit without having to worry about getting a wedgie. I think everyone needs an outlet, even repressed weirdos. Keep doing you boys

[Anonymous No.15462969]

>>15462964
you realize fascists lift weights so this doesn't happen to them right?

[Anonymous No.15462976]

>>15462969
Nowdays it's the communists who lift weights and the fascists who get dabbed on. Just like its always been, and always will be. Keep telling yourself you're a strong guy kid, you'll meet reality some day.

[Anonymous No.15462984]

>>15462976
Leftists are definitely the meta-chads these days, but don't let it get to your head

[Anonymous No.15463036]

>>15454560
FPBP

[Anonymous No.15463068]

Marx would have loved Hitler's Germany but hated Stalin's Russia. He was a German nationalist and hated slavs with a passion, especially after the first international and Bakumin

[Anonymous No.15463326]

>>15463068
based nazbol marx

[Anonymous No.15464476]

>>15460390
Any right wing discord is just as degenerate and full of homosexuals