Nietzsche is gibberish

[Anonymous No.15439525]

I'm finally reading Nietzsche for the first time, starting with Kaufmann's Beyond Good and Evil. I can't tell if it's bad translation, if Nietzsche is just too profound for a brainlet like me to comprehend, or if Nietzsche is nothing but a rambling lunatic, but this shit makes no sense. There are brief moments of lucidity and profundity, but half the sentences don't approach anything resembling clear, well-articulated thoughts. I'm pretty sure people are just afraid to admit Nietzsche's writing is complete nonesense, for fear that people will think they aren't deep enough to understand the incoherent ramblings of a schizophrenic pseud. You're all like art critics who would praise a painting by a chimpanzee if you were told it was by Jackson Pollock.

[Anonymous No.15439560]

>>15439525
>Filtered by one of the most acessible philosophers

Not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.15439588]

>>15439560
>Too insecure with his own intellect to admit the ravings of a madman make no sense

[Anonymous No.15439615]

>>15439588
Nietzsche has good and bad points, its your job to figure those out. Only a brainlet would regard one of the most important thinkers in recent history as a schinzophrenic chimpanzee without even trying first to understand him first

Its okay to admit you're just retarded anon

[Anonymous No.15439669]

>>15439525
Learn german faggot

[Anonymous No.15439683]

>>15439615
How can I distinguish Nietzsche's good and bad points when half the points make no sense?

[Anonymous No.15439695]

>>15439683
If you want to understand Nietzsche better, pick up Carl Jung and unironically (as much as I hate to admit it) Jordan Peterson

Jung critiques Nietzsche with extreme accuracy and Jordan Peterson is good to spoonfeed you the entire story

[Anonymous No.15439698]

>>15439525
Nietzsche is one of the most easily readable mainstream philosophers.
He is known for his short, aphoristic style that makes him highly accessible.
You must have very, very low intelligence.

[Anonymous No.15439701]

>>15439525
you've been brainlet filtered
i'm reading the same translation and i have a minimal background in studying philosophy, it's perfectly comprehensible and lucid. this is entry level reading.
>>15439683
>half the points make no sense?
such as?

[Anonymous No.15439734]

>>15439525
nietzsches entire point is to redefine language. Nietzsche believes that definitions have a strong christian bias that he wants to transcend. He uses contradictions as his most prominent stylisitic tool. Good and bad and virtue and sin are often swapped. Many old german sayings are also cynically twisted and he uses witty play on words. He works much better in german, for some sentences I cant wrap my head around how anybody would translate them. He is accesible as in "his prose is great", but he is not easy to understand. Most people dont get him, so dont worry. Take it slow, he wants you to get to your own conclusion anyway

[Anonymous No.15439737]

>>15439560
lmao

>>15439588
his work makes sense if you don't read like a zoomer with aspergers

[Anonymous No.15439740]

>>15439525
Sounds like you got filtered anon. Enjoy life as a slave moralist stuck forever in the psychological hellhole known as "ressentiment" always lashing out but never knowing quite why or never moving forward to become your own star.

tl;dr you are a jew

[Anonymous No.15439743]

>>15439695
painful yet humblepilled

[Anonymous No.15439755]

Like Schopenhauer once said, 'translations are like art galleries, which are filled with fakes.'

To cure one's stupidity, one has to admit that his own points are false, instead of judging one can't comprehend.

>>>/pol/ there you belong

[Anonymous No.15439787]

>>15439701
>such as?
Just a random excerpt from the page I'm on:
>Flee into concealment And have your masks and subtlety, 4 that you may be mistaken for what you are not, or feared a little. And don’t forget the garden, the garden with golden trelliswork. And have people around you who are as a garden—or as music on the waters in the evening, when the day is turning into memories.

[Anonymous No.15439800]

>>15439787
Gardens are a form of fakeness because they don't represent nature as it actually is.
That's a very common idea.

[Anonymous No.15439812]

>>15439800
>symbolism

[Anonymous No.15439821]

>>15439812
You're extremely stupid.
It's not even a symbol.

[Anonymous No.15439823]

>>15439525
>Nietzsche is just too profound for a brainlet like me
>Nietzsche is nothing but a rambling lunatic
both of these statements are true. also, kaufmann is a complete hack. learn german.

[Anonymous No.15439825]

>>15439812
Found the STEM fag

[Anonymous No.15439922]

I don't even like N but OP got filtered hard.

[Anonymous No.15439943]

>>15439525
F I L T E R E D
if you don't understand something, you try harder instead of crying about it on /lit/ you fucking spastic

[Anonymous No.15439993]

>>15439525
Try reading Dostoevsky's big 4 novels then re-approach nietzsche. If you can't do that it's all over anon

[Anonymous No.15440002]

>>15439993

Genuinely good advice

[Anonymous No.15440018]

>>15439993
ahhhhhhhh the retardation is killing me. Get off my board petersonfags you ruined it. Dosto has nothing to do with NEET

[Anonymous No.15440031]

>>15439701
>you've been brainlet filtered
This, OP is better suited to Stephan King.

[Anonymous No.15440035]

>no quotations
>no examples
>just 'x is wrong' followed by 'x is right'
Why do I come here

[Anonymous No.15440044]

>>15439525
>starting with Kaufmann's Beyond Good and Evil
first problem right there. idk how the myth of BG&E being a good intro to N got started, it's actually one of his more difficult books.

[Anonymous No.15440055]

>>15439695
0/10

[Anonymous No.15440066]

>>15439525
Are you black?

[Anonymous No.15440071]

>>15440055
t. faggot

[Anonymous No.15440135]

>>15439683
Please provide us with an example of an aphorism from "beyond good and evil" which you are not able to discern the meaning of.

[Anonymous No.15440156]

>>15439525
Nietzsche isn't meant to be "understood".

[Anonymous No.15440180]

>>15440135
This would be helpful anon

[Anonymous No.15440184]

>>15440180
shit OP* not anon

[Anonymous No.15440201]

>>15440156
yes he is

[Anonymous No.15440304]

>>15439560
>one of the most acessible
It's the opposite. He's the least accessible philosopher in all of history. Once you read him for more than 10 years like I have, you start to realize how all the professors teaching him have an incredibly shallow understanding of him, not to say of all the emo kids, MMA and gym junkies, and Ragnar Redbeards out there who claim to understand him.

[Anonymous No.15440664]

>>15440304
If Nietzsche is so easily subjected to misinterpretation, then am I (OP) right to find him so difficult to read? I feel you would have to be suffering from severe Dunning-Kruger in order to convince yourself that Nietzsche is easy to understand.

[Anonymous No.15440677]

>>15440304
These posters never give any indication of what it is they've learned he was saying

[Anonymous No.15440689]

>translation

[Anonymous No.15440766]

>>15440018
>Dosto has nothing to do with NEET
Yeah man BGE is definitely NOT influenced by Crime and Punishment, Nietzsche definitely did NOT say that discovering dosto was on of the happiest windfalls of his life and he certainly did NOT call Dosto the one psychologist he could learn something from.

[Anonymous No.15440799]

>>15440766
Checked and thanks for actually knowing your stuff anon.

[Anonymous No.15440810]

>>15440044
Checked and agreed. I always recommend Book 3 of Gay Science to get people in, the Genealogy, then BGE. Parts of Twilight helps.

[Anonymous No.15440825]

>>15440018
god you're a fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.15440846]

>>15440799
No problem, this is one of the few things I actually give a shit about

[Anonymous No.15440849]

>>15440304
neetchfags are such retards i swear
>um ACKSHYUALLY nobody but me really GETS neetch, everyone else is misinterpreting him and only i REALLY understand what he's saying
t. every single one of you morons

[Anonymous No.15440853]

>>15439734
Interesting. what's an example of some wit that gets lost in translation?

[Anonymous No.15440879]

>>15440853
The play of language of over and under in Zarathustra. You could argue Zarathustra as a whole which in translation sounds bombastic but in the og is supposedly quite obviously parodic and funny.

[Anonymous No.15441443]

>>15440664
Yes.

>>15440677
I've written many posts in many threads over years. Here's a recent, albeit short one >>15440265

>>15440849
If you keep reading posters say this, why don't you consider the possibility that it's true?

[Anonymous No.15441599]

>>15440846
based

[Anonymous No.15441680]

>>15440853
An example from the top of my head is "widersprechen / wiederhören" it is not a 1:1 quote but still a good example "wider" is a word of negation or confrontation while "wieder" means again. There are tons of examples like this. Sometimes I laughed while reading zarathustra. It is really well written

[Anonymous No.15441706]

>>15439525
he looks exactly like jim carrey in the sonic movie

[Anonymous No.15442469]

>>15441706
You suck.

[Anonymous No.15442911]

>>15441443
>If you keep reading posters say this, why don't you consider the possibility that it's true?
It can't be true because of the principle of non-contradiction. If every Nietzsche reader thinks every other Nietzsche reader has misinterpreted him, then it isn't possible to speak of a "true" interpretation whatsoever, because all are universal morons.

[Anonymous No.15443290]

>>15439525
>Nietzsche is just too profound for a brainlet like me to comprehend

[Anonymous No.15443302]

>>15439812
kys

[Anonymous No.15444618]

bump

[Anonymous No.15444633]

>>15442911
>It can't be true because of the principle of non-contradiction
Principles being put to use without question? In a Nietzsche thread? Not to mention your reddit-tier ability to engage with philosophy?

[Anonymous No.15444728]

>>15439525

Jackson Pollock sucks though. Anyway, you're probably reading a bad translation.

[Anonymous No.15445082]

>>15439695
Peterson and Jung never understood Nietzsche-- The most preliminary indicator of this is their emphasis on religion, which should be viewed as primitive superstition.

The mental gymnastics they go through in re-interpreting religion to make people feel comfortable about being religious, is the type of poor philology that probably would have given Nietzsche a haemorrhage.

[Anonymous No.15445086]

>>15442911
>>15444633
so then the bible isn't true.... based

[Anonymous No.15445250]

>>15442911
>principle of non-contradiction
Refuted by Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.15445410]

All the anons who say he's easy to understand are the filtered ones

[Anonymous No.15445440]

>>15443290
Nietzsche is more understandable after you've read Schopenhauer, which is more understandable after you've read Kant.

Nietzsche was so ambiguous in his speech that without having in mind Schopen, the Greeks and the Patristics, it's hard to find the sense of his ideas and what he's criticising, which is why most people make their own interpretation on him, and it's not even their fault

[Anonymous No.15445453]

>>15439825
For fucks sake, don't lump me in with this degenerate.