How much of this chart have you read?

[Anonymous No.15431063]

Surely /lit/ is smart enough to handle a freshman year course..

[Anonymous No.15431120]

>>15431063
Looks like I have some gaps.

[Anonymous No.15431127]

>>15431063
What's the point of reading all that if there is no one to discuss with.

[Anonymous No.15431142]

>>15431127
It's a reading list for an undergrad program that has semiars.

But if you don't want to go to St Johns you can always come on /lit/ and discuss what you've read.

[Anonymous No.15431161]

>>15431063
>Einstein selected papers
Why do they put this on the list? Do they expect anyone who hasn't studied math or physics to read his papers? And for what purpose other then rigourosity?

[Anonymous No.15431186]

>>15431063
Honestly surprised I did as well as I did, given I'm only like 23 and don't read that often.

[Anonymous No.15431305]

>>15431127
>he doesn't discuss books with himself in his mind
never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.15432512]

>>15431063
No one is reading those book and they probably shouldn't. There is this retarded notion nowadays that you have to read the canon to be considered smart; this isn't how education should or used to be done. I believe strongly that people should learn Latin and Greek, but this massive list of 'good books,' that are just going to be read in translation by a hungover student, isn't going to help.

[Anonymous No.15432522]

>>15432512
We need more Waldorf schools.

[Anonymous No.15432532]

>>15431186
This is good and even looks plausible unlike the other anon.

[Anonymous No.15432533]

>>15431063
>reading list
>class is a bunch of excerpts

[Anonymous No.15432541]

>>15432512
t. someone not smart enough to cover the material

[Anonymous No.15432560]

>>15432532
I'm other anon, in my late 30s. Not sure what is so implausible.

[Anonymous No.15432567]

>>15431063
A lot of those are historically significant rather than useful. Maybe I read 40 of them.

[Anonymous No.15432595]

>>15431063

Imagine paying to read Newton writings on Physics and some other ancient stuff. I'm with the other anon, a lot of those might be historically significant, but you are probably better reading something derived from those works.

William James? And no Skinner? Yikes.

[Anonymous No.15432612]

WHY DONT THEY MAKE YOU READ PLATO'S LAWS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.15432641]

The German Ideology is on the list but The Unique and his property isn't

[Anonymous No.15432674]

>>15431063
>pay us $40k a year so we can tell you to read these books you could read for free! We will give you a piece of paper at the end that will maybe get you a job within our circlejerk if you are lucky

This content is important but liberal arts education in America has become such a joke

[Anonymous No.15432742]

It could be worse I guess

[Anonymous No.15432753]

>>15431120
what did you think of categories, on interpretation and prior analytics?

[Anonymous No.15432755]

>>15432674
KEK. this, I learned more from reading in the library than I did in lectures which the profs had to dumb down for the majority who didn't read in the first place.

[Anonymous No.15432760]

There's no way they actually expect students to read all of that. I read about a 150 books per year and it took me about a year to work through Aristotle. I still don't understand like him like I want to. I wouldn't feel comfortable teaching Aristotle to somebody else and that's my bar for proficiency.

[Anonymous No.15432773]

>>15432512
would you care to explain why do you recommend latin and greek?

[Anonymous No.15432783]

>>15432773
These are the root languages of western civilization that is founded on Greek philosophy and Roman law.

[Anonymous No.15432917]

>>15432760
>and it took me about a year to work through Aristotle
How much did it take you to read "Organon"? How would you rank his works from best to worst?

[Anonymous No.15432927]

>>15432641
They probably only read the Feuerbach chapter

[Anonymous No.15432930]

>>15432760
>There's no way they actually expect students to read all of that
Believe it or not, there are people in this world smarter than you, I know kid, it's hard for you to believe that a 19 year old could be smarter and harder working, your precious ego surely cannot get hurt by this fact can it? You must cope and seethe, it's beyond your comprehension, even your fallacy you call and imagination that someone younger and more intelligent than you could achieve more.

[Anonymous No.15432980]

>>15432930
This isn't a matter of being smart, but of pure volume. Try to properly read the Summa Theologica alone in one year. I think you have some sort of weird inferiority complex that makes you lash out at me. It's the same sort of shit I get when I share my Goodreads.

[Anonymous No.15433011]

[Anonymous No.15433031]

>>15432595
yes, it's extremely outdated. It's like reading Freud to understnad psychoanalysis without any previous reading; you would read those books after you've understood the modern version of those themes.

[Anonymous No.15433175]

>>15432742
yo, are you that anon that made the thread about the reading order of Aristotle?

[Anonymous No.15433201]

>>15433175
No but I did make some Aristotle threads

[Anonymous No.15433356]

>>15433201
Just asking because I'm reading Aristotle in the same order as that other thread anon, and the only aristotle I've finished is the same as yours.

[Anonymous No.15433364]

>>15433356
Can you post a link to that thread's archive? Also I'm guessing you started with the Organon as well. How's it working out for you?

[Anonymous No.15433388]

>>15433364
Give me like 5 minutes and I'll try and find the archive. Yeah, I'm reading the organon first. It's going well, I just need help on some chapters(like chapter 2 of the categories). I haven't started book prior analytics yet, because I'm reading feser's book "scholastic metaphysics: an introduction". I should start the prior analytics in like a week and a half.

[Anonymous No.15433397]

>>15433364
>>15370493

Here's the thread. I basically agree with his reading order, though if I'm being honest I'm not super interested in anything past the ethics.

[Anonymous No.15433413]

>>15432512
The school teaches their students Latin but even so, these texts are all important even in translation. You are just an autismo.

[Anonymous No.15433416]

>>15431063
Good list. Somewhat anglocentric but not offensively so. What I dont understand are all the mathematicians on there. Like nigga, I can just use a textbook. Has anyone read pascals "generation of conic sections" for example? Is it worthwhile to read into original sources for mathematics?

[Anonymous No.15433430]

>>15433388
Glad that it's working out for you. I'm currently going through Prior Analytics, it's a hard read for me. There's some stuff I don't get. Also chapters 10-15 from On Interpretation is a problem as well, but I picked up a commentary on the work and I started reading it today.
>chapter 2 of the categories
Definitely one of the hardest parts of Categories, if not the hardest. Everything else kind of flows once he establishes certain stuff, but understanding that stuff can be tricky.


>>15433397
Thanks.
>though if I'm being honest I'm not super interested in anything past the ethics.
Poetics isn't a long read and it's useful for understanding the greek tragedies so I think it's a worthy read.

[Anonymous No.15433477]

>>15433430
I'll read the poetics as a companion to the tragedians when I get to them then. I'm looking at the other thread on prior analytics right now and everyone over there says it's really easy and enjoyable. and I agree about 10-15 in on interpretation. The only thing I really took away from the talk of contraries and contradictory and all those examples was that to contradict a universal statement you only need a particular example, and to contradict a statement about particulars you need a universal claim.

[Anonymous No.15433524]

>>15432753
pointless waist of chronos -> watch guenon instead

[Anonymous No.15433532]

>>15433477
>and everyone over there says it's really easy and enjoyable
>>15432690
This thread?
Sucks for me to be a brainlet then, I guess. It's not that I literally don't get anything, but some parts are definitely much harder for me than others.
>and I agree about 10-15 in on interpretation
For some reason I wasn't able to find any satisfying summaries of those other than the ones on wikipedia which just describe what the chapters are dealing with and not its conclusions. Everywhere else people just mention what Aristotle does in the first 9 chapters. I hope I'll get my answers with the commentary I'm reading.
>The only thing I really took away from the talk of contraries and contradictory and all those examples was that to contradict a universal statement you only need a particular example, and to contradict a statement about particulars you need a universal claim
Yeah. I guess you can describe that part of the work as the one that establishes the square of opposition.

[Anonymous No.15433554]

>>15433477
I'm not the guy you're talking to but those people the Prior Analytics easy and enjoyable have to fucking with you. The Organon itself outside of the Categories is boring and not terribly useful in even understanding the rest of Aristotle. The Categories is worth a very close study though because of it's relation to the Metaphysics.

If you want my advice it would be to not burn yourself out on ancient logic.

[Anonymous No.15433590]

>>15433554
I'm >>15433532 and I've been struggling through Prior Analytics for the past four days, I'm going at a pace of like 10 pages a day since I write down everything that Aristotle claims and check by myself the logical validity of it. It's hard but I do like when the stuff clicks even if there's some parts I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.15433602]

>>15432512
>There is this retarded notion nowadays that you have to read the canon to be considered smart;
Is that even true outside of /lit/ and the conservative community? Because most universities are still controlled by insane leftists who think Marx is a fascist and who have their students read African queer authors, or am I wrong about that?

[Anonymous No.15433618]

>>15432930
I've been to schools like St. Johns and most of the "reading" is skimming a couple select chapters from each book. It's a joke, and the point is to create an upper class of pretentious chodes who can jerk each other off while intimidating poor people because they've all been trained to regurgitate the right opinions on the five chapters of Thucydides they covered in class while pretending they're a super genius who read the entire Greek canon in a semester.

Its smoke and mirrors designed to make you believe the wealthy and privileged are
>smarter and harder working
>younger and more intelligent
>could achieve more
don't fall for such pathetic slight of hand.

[Anonymous No.15433639]

>>15433618
>responding seriously to a bait post
Why?