/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15428148]

This board has ruined my perspective on this guy. Is he worth reading? I've been reading about Advaita and so far I really like the metaphysics and ontology. The main thing that puts me off about Guenon is his association with Julius Evola and other far right philosophers, but it doesn't seem that he shared those views.

[Anonymous No.15428174]

>>15428148
Don't read Guenon (pbuh) or he will enter your dreams...and nightmares...

on a serious note, he explains, in simple language, what is found beneath the surface of religions

[Anonymous No.15428179]

He is a worthwhile read will change how you think about religion. Just don't go into him thinking you are going to become some enlightened master or something like this board may lead you to believe.

He is not a political thinker and he explicitly denounced Evola in his own life (even though Evola looked up to him).

Overall, he is just an interesting author, and it is a shame that all the forced memeing makes people think he is either the best or worst thinker ever.

[Anonymous No.15428194]

>>15428148
He used to be a respectable thing on /lit/, with his own serious readers. His impact was strong in the philosophy of religion. All that was before guenonfag and the gener guenonspam.

[Anonymous No.15428206]

Yeah Guenon is interesting and worth reading. We used to have perfectly fine Guenon threads before the spammers showed up and ruined it by being unable to accept criticism or normal levels of 4chan shitposting.

He's more interesting if you treat him as a diverse thinker than if you to approach him as some systematic perennialist dogma you're supposed to be converted by. I don't agree with a lot of what Guenon says and I would still say I am a great fan of his writings.

>>15428194
It's a shame. Guenonfag's still here, he's just not doing that shit anymore thank god.

[Anonymous No.15428350]

>>15428148
>s he worth reading?
Yes
>I've been reading about Advaita and so far I really like the metaphysics and ontology.
same here, great stuff
>The main thing that puts me off about Guenon is his association with Julius Evola and other far right philosophers, but it doesn't seem that he shared those views.
I see Guenon as apolitical. To someone who is really invested in liberalism when they see other people say that Guenon viewed democracy are flawed and that monarchies and theocracies are the ideal way to run a society it may seem like Guenon is far-right or reactionary but he is not saying so because he is motivated to for political or ideological reasons, it just has to do with religion and metaphysics and how society and humanity affected by them etc

[Anonymous No.15428362]

>>15428148
no

[Anonymous No.15428503]

>>15428148
Yes, he is very much worth reading, but any discussion of him will immediately be subverted by "pbuh" and "based" faggots. I suggest you read the old Traditionalism generals that are archived on warosu.

[Anonymous No.15428569]

>>15428148
>I've been reading about Advaita and so far I really like the metaphysics and ontology
Advaita really has no bearing on Traditionalism, all Guenon did was just give a nod to it while he then goes on about Atlantis, Agartha and other neo-Theosophist themes.

[Anonymous No.15428626]

>>15428148
>but it doesn't seem that he shared those views.
René Guénon, Julius Evola and H. P. Blavatsky all shared the belief in the Hyperborean, polar origins of Mankind and a subsequent solidification and devolution. In his book The Lord of the World he says: Almost every tradition has its name for this mountain, this consists of a region that, like the Terrestrial Paradise, has become inaccessible to ordinary humanity, and that is beyond the reach of those cataclysms which upset the human world at the end of certain cyclic periods. This region is the authentic ‘supreme country’ which, according to certain Vedic and Avestan texts, was originally sited towards the North Pole, even in the literal sense of the word.

Unfortunately for him, he died shortly before satellites became a thing which invalidated most of his beliefs in a lost continent of superior races, the same belief that was shared by german racial theories in the 30s (coincidentally years after publication of his books on the subject matter).

[Anonymous No.15428663]

>>15428626
Those are not far-right views and have been written about by Hindu Indians, serious academics and new age people too.

The Hindu political leader and mathematician Bal Gangadhar Tilak wrote a book on the subject as did one of the presidents of Boston University named Willian Warren

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arctic_Home_in_the_Vedas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Fairfield_Warren

[Anonymous No.15428697]

>>15428626
>satellites became a thing which invalidated most of his beliefs in a lost continent
They did nothing of the sort.

[Anonymous No.15428703]

>>15428663
>Tilak
hello guenonfag, still upset Guenon was responsible for influencing german Nazis and alt-right retards like Bannon?

[Anonymous No.15428710]

>>15428697
There's no lost continent, get over it.

[Anonymous No.15428718]

>hurrr fuck /pol/ fuck racism
>haha based caste system, based hyperborea
Why are Guenon fanatics irked by the fact that their idol was an inspiration for Naziboos for generations to come? Its so amusing seeing their cognitive dissonance in action

[Anonymous No.15428724]

>The alt-right- which attracts rascist cranks from a variety of far-right philosophies- has revived a number of esoteric thinkers and fascist gurus of the 20th century

>A glance at the comments section of any alt-right website will confront the viewer with crude racism towards people of non-white ethnicities, not least people of Indian origin, who are variously degraded as “Pajeets”, “street-sh*tters”, or stereotyped as sexual harassers. Of course, this is unsurprising from a movement steeped in white supremacy. However, the alt-right – which attracts racist cranks from a variety of far-right philosophies – has, in its search for pseudo-academic and mystical underpinnings, revived a number of esoteric thinkers and fascist gurus of the 20th century, the ideas of whom have gained an unprecedented reach through alt-right publishing houses and websites.

>Through these thinkers the broad alt-right has appropriated elements of Hindu philosophy and developed a lore that shares certain ideological commonalities with Hindu nationalism (Hindutva) today. The movement commonly invokes, often semi-ironically, an almost-New Age mythos that stretches from the semi-divine origins of “Aryans” to the end of the world itself. Such sweeping narratives elevate the gutter prejudice of the alt-right to a belief in a sacred mission to preserve ancient, superior bloodlines, and casts the movement’s followers as warriors, engaged in a transcendent spiritual battle.

>Alt-right ideologue Greg Johnson, editor-in-chief of Counter-Currents Publishing – one of the two major publishing houses of the alt-right – wrote in a review of Farnahm O’Reilly’s “racial nationalist fantasy” Hyperborean Home that “Facts are not enough” to inspire a white nationalist movement.

>“We need a myth, meaning a concrete vision, a story of who we are and who we wish to become. Since myths are stories, they can be understood and appreciated by virtually anyone. And myths, unlike science and policy studies, resonate deeply in the soul and reach the wellsprings of action. Myths can inspire collective action to change the world.”

[Anonymous No.15428727]

>The opening paragraph of Richard Spencer’s “meta-political manifesto for the Alt-Right” – released by his AltRight Corporation the day before the disastrous Charlottesville rally – reads:

>“Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity. “White” is shorthand for a worldwide constellation of peoples, each of which is derived from the Indo-European race, often called Aryan. “European” refers to a core stock […] from which related cultures and a shared civilisation sprang.”

>The central motivating issue for the alt-right is the preservation of a white “Aryan” race, held to share common ancestry with ancient northern Indians. Indeed, the phrase “Indo-European” is repeated so frequently by the movement’s intellectuals that it has become its own meme. According to Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke’s impressive work Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity, the Aryan mythology of the far right originated with Enlightenment philologists. Drawing on apparent similarities between northern European and Indian languages, Friedrich Schlegel (1772 – 1829) posited that an ancient superior race originating in northern India – the Aryans – had swept across the West, founding the world’s great civilisations. The narrative of an Indian-originating super race provided a non-Biblical (and therefore non-“Semitic”) origin story for Europeans, and subsequent antisemites held the heroic Indo-European Aryans in a dualism with their supposed counter-image, the lowly Jews.

>Myths around a prehistoric Aryan homeland were developed by Bal Gangadhar Tilak (1856 – 1920), known as the “father of Indian unrest” for his militant Indian nationalism. Tilak believed the Hindu holy texts – the Vedas – had been authored by the descendants of ancient Aryans. Tilak claimed that his studies of the Vedas suggested that some 10,000 years ago the Aryans had existed in a spiritually superior civilisation in the Arctic, which was lost in an exodus to the south with the onset of the Ice Age. For Tilak, the “vitality and superiority” of the Aryans, as proved by “their conquest, by extermination or assimilation, of the non-Aryan races with whom they came into contact”, could only be explained by the “high degree of civilisation in their original Arctic home.” Tilak’s Arctic Aryan homeland theory was adopted by far-right Western thinkers, including the Italian fascist mystic Julius Evola (1898-1974), who referred to this mythic Indo-European homeland as “Hyperborea”. Evola believed the Aryans were sapped of their godlike powers as they travelled south, becoming further estranged from Hyperborean traditions of the Arctic north. We shall return to Evola later in this article.

[Anonymous No.15428731]

>>15428718
>implying Nazis = bad

[Anonymous No.15428734]

>Amongst Evola’s admirers is Aleksandr Dugin, a Russian fascist philosopher credited with being an influential ideologue within the Kremlin, who has further deepened this mythology. Dugin holds that Hyperboreans had access to divine knowledge and were engaged in a war with their supposed ancient enemies of the earthly civilisation of Atlantis. This war has parallels today in the struggle between the Atlantean North America and Hyperborean cultures such as Russia, Iran and India, who have maintained their spiritual traditions (although the original Hyperboreans have lost their power through interbreeding with dark-skinned southern peoples).

>The first English language translation of Dugin’s work was published in 2012 by Arktos Media, the premier publisher of the European New Right (ENR) and alt-right, to which Dugin has ties. Arktos was founded in 2009 by Swede Daniel Friberg and American John Morgan, and was based in Goa, India, for the first three years of its existence.

>Arktos claims to have published over 150 titles in 14 languages since its founding. Whilst the majority of the works stocked by Arktos are by Western far-right figures like Evola and ENR authors such Guillaume Faye, the outlet also publishes titles by a number of Indian authors, such as the Hindu spiritual leader Ravi Shankar. Arktos also stocks including Tilak’s The Arctic Home In The Vedas. Carol Schaeffer, in her thorough piece for The Caravan magazine, quotes Morgan who stated that the publisher was so-named in order to invoke a “European tradition and ‘northerness’”. Tilak’s work is also sold on Greg Johnson’s Counter-Currents Publishing, where it is described as being based in a “painstakingly detailed analysis” that makes “a compelling case which is not easily refuted.”

>By indulging in myths that recast whiteness as the indicator of superior or semi-divine origins, the young men of the alt-right can vicariously credit themselves, through their imagined ancestors, as architects of the world’s great civilisations, from ancient Egypt to Rome to Persia. They also place themselves above other races, who are portrayed as incapable of achievement. The myth of a utopian and racially pure lost civilisation also provides an image of a glorious Golden Age, the essence of which the alt-right wishes to recapture. The aims of Counter-Currents are open: to “lay the intellectual groundwork for a white ethnostate in North America.”

[Anonymous No.15428738]

>>15428731
Guenonians seem to think so

[Anonymous No.15428747]

>>15428710
You have absolutely no way to know that's true

[Anonymous No.15428795]

>>15428747
>You have absolutely no way to know that's true

[Anonymous No.15428808]

>>15428795
Plate tectonics was only adopted in recent decades, is impossible to experimentally verify, and is not the only geological process that can cause landmasses to emerge or be submerged. You don't actually know shit.

[Anonymous No.15428815]

>>15428727
>Tilak believed the Hindu holy texts – the Vedas – had been authored by the descendants of ancient Aryans. Tilak claimed that his studies of the Vedas suggested that some 10,000 years ago the Aryans had existed in a spiritually superior civilisation in the Arctic, which was lost in an exodus to the south with the onset of the Ice Age.
this is correct and it actually happened

[Anonymous No.15428824]

>>15428808
Atlantist doesn't go far back for plate tectonics to bury it. Any continent shifting took places for hundreds of millions of years.

>hurr you dont know shit bro, impossible is nothing!

[Anonymous No.15428826]

>>15428738
thankfully, I am a free enough thinker to see the merits of both traditionalism and fascism

[Anonymous No.15428829]

>>15428815
where's the evidence?

[Anonymous No.15428840]

>traditionalist retards attempt to convince us about hyperborea

>>/lit/thread/S14255964
did these retards forget how they got absolutely embarrassed the last time they did this?

[Anonymous No.15428845]

>>15428826
>muh free thinking

this is why eurocucks will always fail, you need a guru

[Anonymous No.15428858]

>>15428829
It's discussed more extensively in the books by Warren and Tilak but here is an article summarizing some of the evidence which among other things and points of evidence cites the Vedic and Mahabharata passages clearly describing the positioning and patterns of movements of the stars, sun, moon etc which one would only see around the north pole

https://www.systematics.org/journal/vol1-3/SJ1-3c.htm

>I shall, therefore, next quote the Mahabharata, which gives such a clear description of Mount Meru, the lord of the mountains, as to leave no doubt about its being situated at the North Pole. In chapters 163 and 164 of the Vanaparvan, Arjuna's visit to the Mount is described in detail, and we are therein told, `At Meru the sun and the moon go round from left to right every day, and so do all the stars.' Later on the writer informs us: — `The mountain, by its lustre, so overcomes the darkness of night, that the night can hardly be distinguished from the day'. A few verses further, and we find, `The day and the night are together equal to a year to the residents of the place'. These quotations are sufficient to convince one that, at the time when the great epic was composed, Indian writers had a tolerably accurate knowledge of the meteorological and astronomical characteristics of the North Pole. This knowledge cannot have been acquired by mathematical calculations alone. The reference to the lustre of the mountain is specially interesting; as, in all probability, it is a description of the splendours of the Aurora Borealis visible at the North Pole. So far as the Post-Vedic literature is concerned, we have, therefore, not only the tradition of the half-year long night and day of the Gods persistently mentioned; but the Mount Meru, or the North Pole, is described with such accuracy as to lead us to believe that we have here an ancient tradition, whose origin must be traced to a time when these phenomena were daily observed by the people. This is confirmed by the fact that the tradition is not confined to Post-Vedic literature.

>Passing on, therefore, to the Vedic literature, we find Mount Meru described as the seat of seven Adityas in the Taittiriya Aranyaka I, 7.1, while the eight Adityas are said never to leave the great Meru. Kashyapa is further described as communicating light to the seven Adityas, and himself perpetually illuminating the great mountain. In the Taittiriya Brahmana, (III, 9, 22, I), we meet with a passage which clearly says, `That which is a year is but a single day of the Gods.' The statement is so clear that there can be no doubt about its meaning. These passages are given added significance by comparison with texts in the oldest Iranian documents which not only refer to the spinning of the heavens, but also to a day and night of the Gods of six months' duration.

[Anonymous No.15428860]

>>15428845
>you need a guru
t. smelly pajeet

[Anonymous No.15428867]

>>15428860
how is dying to coronavirus working for you?

>confirmed deaths in india: 3,720

[Anonymous No.15428879]

>>15428858
>it's mentioned in these religious texts
lol this is just hearsay

show me the evidence that a lost continent physically existed in the last 10k years

[Anonymous No.15428885]

>>15428867
at least I don't die from diarrhoea, shitskin

[Anonymous No.15428886]

>>15428845
a guru is supposed to be for spiritual matters and not for policing the personal political views of their disciples

[Anonymous No.15428893]

>thread #1350148869 where Guenonians fail to prove Hyperborea/Atlantis
every single time...

[Anonymous No.15428934]

>>15428879
You are conflating two separate issues. Rene Guenon never said that Hyperborea was a "lost continent", he said that it was located at or very near the north pole, which would probably mean if not the frozen ice over the water at the pole then the closest islands to it or perhaps within the arctic circle along the shoreline of northern Siberia. People living within the arctic circle could have traveled by boat or on ice to the pole and seen the constellations etc there. Paleolithic settlements have already been found within the arctic circle on Svalbard.

If you want some more circumstantial proof it's well known among scientists that the arctic was warmer 10,000 years ago when Hyperborea is said to have taken place

>One way to study patterns like this is to look to past climate changes. That’s what a team led by Northern Arizona University’s Cody Routson did, compiling paleoclimate records of rainfall in the Northern Hemisphere over the last 10,000 years.
>This spans most of the period known as the Holocene—the warmer “interglacial” that has followed the end of the last ice age. The clockwork timing of the ice ages has been driven by cyclical wobbles in Earth’s orbit, which slightly alter the strength of summer sunlight in the high-latitude north—where most of the great ice sheets were located. That summer sunlight cycle peaked around 10,000 years ago, and Arctic temperatures started to slowly decline shortly after that.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/03/thousands-of-years-ago-a-warm-arctic-made-mid-latitudes-drier/

[Anonymous No.15428959]

>>15428934
>he said that it was located at or very near the north pole, which would probably mean if not the frozen ice over the water at the pole then the closest islands to it
so he was even more retarded than I thought

>If you want some more circumstantial proof it's well known among scientists that the arctic was warmer 10,000 years ago when Hyperborea is said to have taken place
this isn't proof of Hyperborea, its just restating the end of the last glacial period due to warming.

If these lost civilizations were so focal to humanity, we would have a plethora of evidence about them. Not some citations in ancient texts here and there that post-date it by 8000 years.

[Anonymous No.15428997]

Yeah Op, Lovecraft was a pretty neat guy. Pretty sure if he was alive today, he'd be on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.15429002]

>>15428959
Most of the evidence is underwater, ice, or eroded away, but there are some megalithic works around the world built by them and many oral traditions from around the world that talk about them.

[Anonymous No.15429040]

>>15429002
>Most of the evidence is underwater, ice, or eroded away
this isn't evidence, its just assumption of evidence. You clearly have already decided that a fictional continent existed from short ancient passages and are just waiting in vain for 'profane' geologists and relevant scientist to prove you right.

sad, really...

[Anonymous No.15429047]

>>15428959
>so he was even more retarded than I thought
How is that retarded?
>this isn't proof of Hyperborea,
Nobody has ever said that it has been indisputably proven, however there is still copious evidence for it
>we would have a plethora of evidence about them.
And we do in the form of Vedic and Avestas passages describing the arctic, and the the same idea of the ancient northern home appearing in the Greek and other cultures, in Guenon's book 'Symbolism of the Cross' in his chapter on the Swastika he even cites an incident in 1925 where some natives in Panana revolted against the police and established their own native republic, with the flag being a swastika and the name of the republic Tulé (Thule, another name for Hyperborea), showing that even the Native Americans were descended from or carried some knowledge of the Hyperborean traditon. If you mean "physical ruins" than their absence could be explained by the fact that they built mainly wood buildings. There have been very few archaeological digs in the arctic circle, it's not like they looked but didn't find it.

[Anonymous No.15429114]

>>15429047
>in Panana
*Panama

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Blas_Rebellion

[Anonymous No.15429238]

>>15429047
>Nobody has ever said that it has been indisputably proven, however there is still copious evidence for it
which you still have yet to have provided

>And we do in the form of
in the form of religious passages

come back with some actual evidence, not pajeet ramblings

[Anonymous No.15429290]

>>15429238
>which you still have yet to have provided
I have cited you multiple books written on the topic as well as provided you a link to an article written on the subject, the books as well as the article contain the evidence. If you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore it then I can't help you

[Anonymous No.15429399]

>>15429290
you provided links and books about ancient passages, nothing you have come up with is any physical evidence that points to a lost continent 10k years ago

[Anonymous No.15429428]

>>15429399
I've already specified that Hyperborea is not necessarily a "lost continent", did you already forget that post of mine?

[Anonymous No.15429475]

>>15429428
so where is their urheimat? greenland? santorini? some sea bed which we've yet to detect despite our advance sonar technology? Guenon himself believed it was a literal site, not just a people or some symbolic hodge podge. The more you try and squirm your way out of providing physical evidence the worse you look to the rest of us.

[Anonymous No.15429487]

>>15429475
nobody cares, you're like a reddit atheist from 2007

[Anonymous No.15429530]

>>15428959
>If these lost civilizations were so focal to humanity, we would have a plethora of evidence about them.
That's a pretty bold statement when you actually take into consideration how long 10,000 years is.

[Anonymous No.15429580]

>>15429530
and somehow we can find out more about them.......from religious references several thousand years after the fact

[Anonymous No.15429597]

>>15428350
>>>s he worth reading?
>Yes
since when reading secondary sources is good?

[Anonymous No.15429730]

>start reading his introduction
>immediately begins to shit on the greeks
Lmao

[Anonymous No.15429738]

>>15429730
Post an excerpt anon
Don't be greedy with the keks

[Anonymous No.15429750]

>>15428148
This board can ruin your perspective on everything, that's what so great about it.

[Anonymous No.15431436]

>>15429738
>" It is almost as if the Greeks, at a moment when they were about to disappear from history, wished to avenge themselves for their own incomprehension by imposing on a whole section of mankind the limitations of their own mental horizon."

rene guenon - introduction to the study of the hindu doctrines

[Anonymous No.15431748]

>>15428959
Fucking dumbshit mong. Do you have any idea how long 10,000 years is? Nothing survives that long besides oral tradition. Dumb fucking cuckboi

[Anonymous No.15431776]

>>15431436
Alright, so Guenons main motivation was basically resentiment against superior and smarter people, kinda explains him, his move to Cairo and his followers.

[Anonymous No.15431778]

>>15431748
>Nothing survives that long besides oral tradition.

hurdiedur, hudridurdur, hardardurdur, gabaladurherdur!!

[Anonymous No.15431843]

>>15431776
how could the Greeks be smarter when their primitive cosmological speculations were already eclipsed hundreds of years earlier by the divine revelation of the Upanishads?

[Anonymous No.15431870]

>>15431778
Gobleki Tepe in Turkey was made around 10,000 BC, around the same time as Hyperborea was supposed to have existed, and it remained hidden for most of history and was only recently uncovered, despite that tens millions of people live in Turkey. In the vast uninhabited land in northern Russia/Siberia in which people have never dug there could be hundreds of Gobleki Tepes and we would never know

[Anonymous No.15431962]

>>15428148
I'm a Frog so what I find him interesting for is that he's very harsh with a lot of people who are sacred cows in France - the surrealist Andre Breton kind of condemned him (after his death...) for shitting on Freud but acknowledged his genius. Don't search for a guru.

[Anonymous No.15432148]

>>15431870
the difference is they didn't declare Gobleki to have existed prior to its discovery, a megalith like that is furthermore expected to popup in the near east.

Hyperborea on the other hand is something alluded to in the greek records as a mythical place above Thrace, then in the Urals, then in the British Isles, then in Scandinavia, etc until modern sources connected it with the north pole.

There is currently no evidence to suggest Hyperborea existed anywhere, nor Hyperboreans as a 'people' that devolved from its glory days (as Guenon wrote). If there were, we'd all be on board.

[Anonymous No.15432222]

>>15432148
>Hyperborea in the greek records
>There is currently no evidence to suggest Hyperborea existed
you just contradicted yourself good job

[Anonymous No.15432339]

>>15432222
>greeks said it, must be true
lol and zeus is casually hurling thunderbolts in mount olympus

[Anonymous No.15432345]

>>15432339
yes get over it

[Anonymous No.15432351]

>>15432345
bait

[Anonymous No.15432359]

>>15432351
cope

[Anonymous No.15432365]

>>15432359
seethe

[Anonymous No.15432380]

>>15432365
modernists btfo

[Anonymous No.15432381]

>>15432380
>still no evidence

[Anonymous No.15432404]

>>15432381
you even admitted there was lmao

[Anonymous No.15432435]

>>15432404
>ancient greek babble
>evidence
I like how you keep harking back to that non point since you have nothing of substance

[Anonymous No.15432445]

>>15432435
>i don't like evidence
>therefore its invalid
every time this is why you get laughed off the board

[Anonymous No.15432451]

>>15432445
I actually like evidence, not some mycenean rambling about a lost continent

>still no evidence

[Anonymous No.15432460]

>>15432451
evidence for what? I'm not the one crying about Hyperborea never existing lmao (you are)

[Anonymous No.15432469]

>>15432460
>you must prove that Hyperborea didn't exist
the absolute state of 90 IQ midwits

[Anonymous No.15432479]

guys I'm having a bit of a problem here. Some random man in 500 BCE told me a lost continent/island existed in this map somewhere. I can't seem to find it but he insists its there?

[Anonymous No.15432480]

>>15432469
and resorting to projecting. yep pic related

[Anonymous No.15432493]

>b-but the evidence is there lol
>w-what evidence??

[Anonymous No.15432521]

>>15432493
unironcially you

[Anonymous No.15432526]

It's funny how the person first tried to embarrass people by pointing out that Guenon believed in hyperborea, and then when he saw that this didn't bother people at all and that multiple posters agreed with Guenon on this then he tried to make this thread into an argument about proving hyperborea is real and writing cringe comments about "haha guenonians can't even prove hyperborea is real" (which isn't even the point of this thread), just relax bro. You'll be happier if let go of your habit of deriving dopamine rushes from trying to derail guenon threads

[Anonymous No.15432546]

>>15432526
Its also funny how after the modernfag failed at embarrassing people by pointing out that Guenon believed in hyperborea. He then failed again at embarrassing people for not being able to prove Hyperborea exists when in reality we don't care.

[Anonymous No.15433575]

>>15431870
>10,000 BC
The world is not more than 7000 years in total.

[Anonymous No.15433611]

>>15433575
do you think that God made dinosaur fossils to tempt our faith too?

[Anonymous No.15435261]

>>15433611
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15435275]

>>15428174
>>15428148
Monism is absolute trash. Kys.

[Anonymous No.15435280]

>>15428206
>>15428194
Guenonfag is based, stfu.

[Anonymous No.15435291]

>>15433611
>God made dinosaur fossils
Rather that God allowed Satan to do so for God's own mysterious goals. Same reason why false religions exist.

[Anonymous No.15435662]

>>15435291
seems counter-productive to God's goals

[Anonymous No.15435731]

>>15435662
Nah. Materialist idiots will eventually try to mind upload without solving the hard problem of consciousness. They will see the resulting simulation is identical to the previous person, and conclude it is sentient. That is, they will kill themselves, revealing reason as a suicide cult.

[Anonymous No.15435743]

>>15435731
you shouldnt paint all logicians with the scientism atheist brush

[Anonymous No.15435863]

I was shocked when I read him. After hearing how good he was supposed to be, I expected him to have well-reasoned arguments. Reign of Quantity (his magnum opus) is just like 100 three page long chapters, each giving a mediocre argument against science. At points, it literally felt like, "this doesn't feel like what I see, therefore gravity doesn't exist."
He is not worth it. The reason why people here like him is that his books are just a bunch of 4chan posts angrily shouting about modernity.

[Anonymous No.15436585]

>>15435863
>each giving a mediocre argument against science
name one (1) argument he gave and explain why it's mediocre

[Anonymous No.15436880]

>>15436585
I'm hoping for a good response

[Anonymous No.15437059]

>>15436880
>>15436585
Not that guy but,he can't answer your question. He probably read a few pages and couldn't understand it and put the book down

[Anonymous No.15437192]

>>15436585
Okay, I just pulled out my copy. Here are a few:
Sperging out over the usage of the term "matter" and saying that because it is different from the traditional usage of the term, it is a term that cannot be used, as if language is set in stone from the time the first person comes up with it (he does this for a bit, but I'm particularly looking at pg 23).
His argument on pg 31-32 against viewing space quantitatively. The first part seems like a big jump. "The first thing to be noticed in this connection is that if space were purely quantitative it would have to be entirely homogenous, and its parts would have to be indistinguishable one from another by any characteristic other than size" already we have a jump that I'm uncomfortable with. We can surely notice things other than size in space if space is quantitative. But he just makes that assertion and moves on, "this would amount to conceiving it as no more than a container without content...for the relation of container to content necessarily presupposes, by its very nature as a correlation, the simultaneous presence of both its terms" Why? I don't see why homogeneity implies that it is a container or that it has content or that just because there is a container, it must have content, except perhaps in the most crude, linguistic manner. But, saying, "oh, linguistically, if we impose another similar term on something, it doesn't make much sense, therefore it doesn't make sense ever" seems like terrible philosophy.
Further, on page 32, Guenon states atoms are impossible to exist because it would imply emptiness between atoms. So, this isn't necessarily true, obviously. We can imagine a situation where there exist particles connecting particles to one another constantly, but that some can move through others. Indeed, empty space is not something that has been embraced by science.
pg 39:
He argues that because thought is time-based but not space-based, it must be more qualitative because thought is closer to the corporeal. We know everything here is wrong. Thought is the stimulation of mental stimulai, which we can track in space, and just because something is closer to that which we perceive as corporeal doesn't say anything particular about the nature of it.

I would go on, but I'm running out of characters. Nearly everything here seems to be pre-Kant in its complete imbecility, basically arguing that because there are differences in language and empirically observed reality, we most throw out the observed reality. This requires a huge grounding in philosophy of science, the statement needs to be argued that the language we use cannot be questioned as opposed to the operation of the sciences. This is never provided.
>>15436880
>>15437059
Jesus, I don't keep every tab I write a post on up at all times. It's amazing someone not being on 4chan constantly is considered strange by these people.

[Anonymous No.15437199]

>>15437192
To basically explain my scruples with Guenon: I think he makes major jumps with a shit methodology. He writes without taking into account that he needs reasons for each assertion and simply moves onto the next one.

[Anonymous No.15438379]

>>15428148
>this board ruined my perspective
imagine being so weak minded you let fags on 4chan influence your thinking

[Anonymous No.15439357]

>>15437199
>I think he makes major jumps with a shit methodology
why tho. he's pretty based, as they say.

[Anonymous No.15440253]

>>15437192
>We can surely notice things other than size in space if space is quantitative.
Yes, but he is saying that these things that we would notice would be qualitative changes and not quantitative. If space is purely quantitative there can be no qualitative differences in it. That we can discern qualitative differences implies that space is not just quantitative and shows the foolishness as viewing space quantitatively.
> "this would amount to conceiving it as no more than a container without content...for the relation of container to content necessarily presupposes, by its very nature as a correlation, the simultaneous presence of both its terms" Why?
He is saying that it's begging the question when someone defines the ground or basis which holds all other things as its content as empty space, that is to say not a container. The abiding presence of objects implies that there is some sort of container as their basis and not just empty space. There can be no real relation between nothingness and physical objects.
>We can imagine a situation where there exist particles connecting particles to one another constantly, but that some can move through others.
is this not considered a fringe view in the sciences?
>Thought is the stimulation of mental stimulai, which we can track in space,
You are moving the goalposts here, that scientists have using brain-mapping tech to find correlations of neural activity with thoughts is not the same as actually tracking those thoughts themselves. Correlation does not equal causation, and scientists themselves disagree about which brain regions are involved in which sorts of cognition, thoughts etc
>Nearly everything here seems to be pre-Kant in its complete imbecility,
Guenon BTFO that midwit Kant in his first book

[Anonymous No.15440327]

>>15435275
Cope

[Anonymous No.15440351]

>>15435275
>non-dualism = monism

[Anonymous No.15440357]

>>15428148
>The main thing that puts me off about Guenon is his association with Julius Evola and other far right philosophers
why? are you a commie?

[Anonymous No.15440695]

>>15429114
based hyperborean panamanian natives