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15378625 No.15378625 [Reply] [Original]

According to Traditionalism, what is the meaning or purpose of life?

>> No.15378698

>>15378625
Realizing there's no purpose, nowhere to go and nothinf to do

>> No.15378725

To exist samsara

>> No.15378751

To break the illusion and integrate with the One again

>> No.15378765
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15378765

Do good deeds and become reborn as a Deva

>> No.15378769

>>15378625
to secure the future of white children
>>15378765
how did they do it? is this CGI?

>> No.15378782

>>15378625
To be as homosexual and edgy as possible until death.

>> No.15378790

Judging from its advocates on /lit/, it seems to be "debating the esoteric nuances of Indian scripture you've read in translation".

>> No.15378819
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15378819

>>15378625
Embracing a tradition and following its' doctrines and practices. All real traditions offer an objective and transcendent meaning to life or purpose.

>> No.15378820

>>15378625
Beatin wifes and gettin in fights

>> No.15378836

>>15378625
To know life has no meaning, but to struggle anyway.

>> No.15378885

>>15378819
Russia was never traditional according to Evola. I have a feeling you didn't pay attention to all the chapters where he shits on Russia, not just modern Russia, but Russia since its beginnings.

>> No.15378985

>>15378625
I don't understand the appeal or even coherence of "Traditionalism", I mean why would you want to halt progress and go back? and go back where exactly? is there a single referential point that all traditionalists agree to being the best timeline? what if one prefers Victorian England and the other wants to return back to fucking Rome?
The whole thing just sounds regressive with no vision to the future

>> No.15379014

>>15378885
Evola is not the only Traditionalist.

>> No.15379039

>>15378985
Tradition is beyond time far as I understand. The point is to preserve the flame, and not worship the ashes. There are lot of romantics that throw around the word traditional, usually confusing it with certain aesthetics, and ignoring the substance.

>> No.15379046
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15379046

>>15378625
Why didn't you pick one of the chad photos of him with the monocle?

>> No.15379049

>>15378625
Will to Nothingness / Death Drive
Nihilists who desire nothing but repetition

>> No.15379072
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15379072

>>15378985
That's because your understanding of Traditionalism is flawed. The point is not to go back in time and emulate some period, but to find in the past the Traditional principles which are metaphysical in nature compared to some period, to some time that's contingent.
Think of it like physics. You look up to older experiments or some repeat some experiments not to just for the sake of doing physics but to discover the underlying principles that can come forth from these experiments.
The point is not to merely pretend that it's a certain time and teleport back, but to find why at a certain point some absolute values were held in such high regard and what that meant, why are they needed and how can be learnt again. It's not to reinvent the wheel, it's that we have forgotten what it means to make a wheel in the first place and why it's that important.

>> No.15379347

>>15379014
Yeah, but the others don't talk about Russia. And I agree with Evola, Russia has always been anti-traditional in the same way as Africa.

>> No.15379379

>>15378765
What the fuck? Is this real?

>> No.15379398

>>15379072
Which principles are generally agreed to be Tradition?

>> No.15379416

>>15378765
how did they make it do that?

>> No.15379437

>>15379398
God

>> No.15379449

>>15378765
is this real? am i dreaming?

>> No.15379466

>>15378765
How the fuck is that cat dancing like a human? This is insane. And perfectly choreographed with them.

>> No.15379494

>>15379398
>There is a metaphysical/spiritual world
>There are forces beyond the material
>There is Absolute Truth/Logos/God
>Man represents an active force, usually following one of the two heroic paths: either a warrior or an ascetic.
>Woman represents the reactive/reflecting force, usually following one of the two paths: the Demeter or the Aphrodite
>One must become initiated in a certain ascetic caste if he wants to get closer to an understanding of the Truth
etc.

>> No.15379520

>>15378769
>>15379379
>>15379416
>>15379449
>>15379466
C'mon now, it's not real, look at the shadows of the cat and the shadow of the humans behind.

>> No.15379535

>>15379520
What the fuck are you talking about? It's real.

>> No.15379542

>>15379535
No way, the humans where clearly put in after with cgi.

>> No.15379544

>>15378625
To honor traditions, like Christmas and Thanksgiving.

>> No.15379644

>>15378625
It's a misnomer, it's meant to be perennialism and it argues for universal, essential truths

>> No.15379861

>>15378819
>>15379494
which tradition did Evola himself follow?

>> No.15379864

>>15378625
To serve women

>> No.15379970

>>15379861
General consensus says he didn't or was a crypto-Tantrist who thought the modern world offered opportunities for self-initiation. There is also a book written by one of his colleagues who said Evola was a crypto-Sufi.

>> No.15379982

>>15379520
Fuck off. You think this is possible to fake? Yeah right, hollywood just spent 1000 gazillion dollars on CGI to make this little video just to fool anons. Idiot

>> No.15380129

>>15378985
Because it's an argument over what's essential. You're arguing with people that want to keep and preserve what they consider central that's not central to your point of view. There's no such thing as a coherent worldview or system that doesn't have some inviolable sacred presuppositions.

>> No.15380156

To bitch about the modern world.

>> No.15380313

>>15378625

To lose the use of your legs.

>> No.15380315

>>15380156
/Thread

>> No.15380382

>>15379046
How did he keep this fucking monocle like this without falling?!

>> No.15380386

>>15380156
It turns into that because philosophy and politics are divorced

>> No.15380564

Redpill me on Julius Evola’s Magic powers

>> No.15380570

>>15380564
He had control of the ancient deities using sorcery

>> No.15380697
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15380697

>>15380564

>> No.15380712

>>15378985
>why would you want to halt progress
I'm sure you know plenty of reasons why.

>> No.15380731

>>15379072
biggest brained and accurate take in the thread

>> No.15380732
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>>15380382
Rich Chads of the time like Evola would have custom made monocles with a little metal ring around the edge that would jam it into your eye-socket. Apparently they were actually quite comfortable if you could afford to have one custom made.

Only poorfags had to worry about squinting all the time to keep their one-size-fits-all dollar store monocles from falling out.

>> No.15380752

>>15378765
is this real?

>> No.15380757

>>15378765
put me in the screenshot XD

>> No.15380764
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15380764

>>15378625
Brainlet here, is there any form of traditionalism that takes the idea of family, traditional values, and other positives of yore and combines it with positive technological advancements of today, like medicine, cinema, etc? I think that would be a pretty based ideology, but i only ever see people picking either traditionalism or its opposite, or environmentalism and its opposite. Surely someone can take the best of both and make something coherent?

>> No.15380781

>>15380764
Yes it's monism. Ppl accept ontological dimension of dualism but mostly pluralism and that's basically why we have pomo media and science and ethics as they are today. It's there it's not hard

>> No.15380791

>>15380781
but anyone that fleshes out monism in relation to modern day, and the ideas i mentioned in particular? They're hot button issues surely someone has honed in on it

>> No.15380804

It depend on the tradition.

>> No.15380816

Absolute transcendence and unification with God. See the great chain of beings.

>> No.15380820

>>15380764
Yeah but it sounds like you have a poor grasp of Traditionalism to be honest because the question doesn’t quite make total sense.

>> No.15380826

>>15380791
No one has that I know of. Ppl are usually stuck in lw/rw terms of history and then switch into pluralist (lw/rw split is a subjective myth) and then perhaps back.
The nature of monism is there's something fundamental then a running from the fundamental thing with the negation of the fundamental thing just not existing. I haven't seen anyone touch it but I'd be surprised if it wasn't jumped upon by someone later

>> No.15380833

>>15379072
Yes, exactly. The early Middle Ages could be considered Traditional relative to certain times of Ancient Greece despite being more modern. People struggle to grasp this for some reason.

>> No.15380834

>>15380781
A proper monist take would not deny math for logic or logic for math but place logic as more fundamental to logic and the exploration of logic opens exploration of math in that particular order

>> No.15380841

>>15380732
Thanks!

>> No.15380846

>>15378625
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

>> No.15380874

>>15380781
That's not what Monism is, brainlet.

>> No.15380901

>>15380764
you're thinking of a sentimentalized modern traditionalism (with a lowercase t) which has virtually nothing to do with the Traditionalism being discussed by Evola and his pals.

>> No.15380903

>>15380764
Distributism

>> No.15380921

>>15380874
Yes it is, there's different forms of monism. One is like an atomist one where everything is made of one thing called material monism then there's where everything is simply one thing then there's like the neoplatonist or pseudo dionysian monism where everything is a degree of God's nature but also everything itself has degrees of itself like light, heat, truth etc. Those all are encompassed in being, or God's being, but you can understand those things they cover in the nature of the one thing that is in them (so dark is just absence of light)

>> No.15380952

>>15380921
No version of monism has anything to do with "traditionalism that takes the idea of family, traditional values, and other positives of yore and combines it with positive technological advancements of today".

>> No.15380972

>>15378625
To LARP

>> No.15380992
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15380992

The only real Tradition is Islam. From Adam, to Noah, to Abraham, to Moses, to Jesus and finally to Muhammad, all preached pure monotheism and submission to our Creator. It’s no surprise so many Traditionalists and Perennialists revert to Islam. Anything else is LARPing.

>> No.15381109

>>15380992
Destroying all the tombs of important early Islamic figures in Mecca sure sounds traditional

>> No.15381314

>>15381109
t. grave-worshipper

>> No.15381451

>>15380992
Druze are even purer monotheists, but outsiders are not allowed in.

>> No.15381457

>>15378625
To be Traditional

>> No.15381507

>>15381451
They’re LARPers and followers of a false religion just like devil-worshipping Yazidis

>> No.15381567

>>15380764
Archeofuturism, but I wouldn't say it's Traditionalist in any way.

>> No.15381881

>>15380764
>>15381567
This is the correct answer for what you're looking for, but understand that the traditionalism being discussed in this thread/board is an entirely different concept (bug T Traditionalism) which should explain your confusion.

>> No.15381893

>>15378765
Haha let's all act dumb at Facebook cat meme, am I rite fellow zoomzooms? Also fuck reading.

>> No.15381899

>>15380952
Yeah because those are all spooks. Traditionalism vs progressivism is ontologically similar to essentialism vs hegelianism

>> No.15381915

>>15381899
You're not fooling anyone.

>> No.15381949

>>15381451

lmao don't the Druze claim knowledge about secret teachings of Pythagoras, Jesus Christ, etc?

Sounds dope where do I sign up

>> No.15381971

>>15381915
That's all anything can be and that politics and everything in life is set up in this monism, even if incorrectly described as dualism or pluralism, it shows this is a closer approximation of life

>> No.15382168

>>15381899
>capital T Traditionalism vs progressivism
we're talking about the Traditionalist School traditionalism here, different from the context youre using traditionalism in. refer to this post
>>15379072

>> No.15382194

>>15378765
Is that gif real?