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[Anonymous No.15369867]

how in the FUCK did this son of a bitch get modern society right.

[Anonymous No.15369875]

>>15369867
By living in it?

There’s no proof you’ve even read it, OP. Stop pushing ideologies and go read something

[Anonymous No.15369880]

>>15369875
dial 8

[Anonymous No.15369902]

>>15369867
It's just Heidegger and Marx meeting over a coffee and tinkering for a text for non-academics.

However, people who take this stance, e.g. anti-globalist (and anti-American) right-wing inteligencia (e.g. the German Identitarians and some Brits) that constantly use Heidegger rhetoric to not doxx themselves as the evil type of NatSoc's, appear more realistic than Ted.
His go-back naturalism is silly.

[Anonymous No.15369952]

he had a good teacher

[Anonymous No.15370511]

>>15369867
he didn't because he's a retard

[Anonymous No.15371305]

>>15369867
he got some things right, but overall he was a sad virgin who made a dumb cope cabin

[Anonymous No.15372267]

>>15369867
He is smart as hell

[Anonymous No.15372802]

>>15371305
>>15369902
these

[Anonymous No.15372857]

>>15369867
First of all, he was a literal genius and was one of the leading young mathematicians. Second of all, since he decided to become a hermit, he became more aware of the noise and destruction that technological society caused. He wasn’t one of the boiling frogs, but rather one outside the frame who could get a glimpse of the trajectory of society.

[Anonymous No.15372913]

>>15372857
These are true, but he also had a pathologic inability to interact with other people, especially women. This seems to influence his philosophy, as ISAIF is more than simply anti-technology, but implies that he stands against structured community of any type. The life he lived/practiced also aligns with this. I don't believe this is an admirable viewpoint. Humans, even before "society" or technology still had systems in which they relied upon each other. His commitment to this individualism really prevents him from putting forth a viable vision for the future of humanity.

[Anonymous No.15372931]

170 IQ, but the opposite of autism. He could read people like a book. He knew their weaknesses, their insecurities, their shortcomings, just from listening to them talk for a few minutes

[Anonymous No.15372941]

Everything is bad, and it's getting worse.

Wow, it took pcp experiments and living in a shed for 20 years to figure that out?

[Anonymous No.15372968]

Zarzan was already ahead of him.

[Anonymous No.15373076]

>>15369902
>His go-back naturalism is silly.
You have not read anything other than the manifesto.

[Anonymous No.15373888]

>>15370511
Yeah.
The passage on MENSA from Issac Asimov's memoir pegs people like him beautifully -- a guy who was smart, but not nearly as smart as he believed himself to be -- that became bitter and angry that his life trajectory peaked far lower and fell far shorter than what he expected it to be and retreated into blaming others for his failures.

[Anonymous No.15373958]

>>15372857
He was autistic and so adversely affected by loud noises and the like

[Anonymous No.15373974]

>>15373888
He obtained a PhD in mathematics from university of michigan at age 25 and "became the youngest assistant professor of mathematics in the history of University of California, Berkeley up to that time." I think he is as smart as it gets, he's not some MENSA brainlet.

[Anonymous No.15373975]

>>15369867
Logic

[Anonymous No.15374183]

>>15373974
Then why did he behave like an attention starved child, a la "MENSA brainlets"??

[Anonymous No.15374191]

>>15369867
constructing an overly simplified analysis of society and historical progression that supports your personal views and isnt necessarily nonsensical by itself (but not very sensible either) is easy if you live in blissful ignorance of the countless people and thousands of pages of writings spanning over multiple millenia, which have analyzed history and society a hundred times more precisely. TLDR stfu nigger hasnt read Hegel

[Anonymous No.15375101]

>>15374191
>TLDR stfu nigger hasnt read Hegel
Hegel is an obscurantist though.
What if I've read Kaczinski, liked and nodded to most of it. Where should I go next?

[Anonymous No.15375113]

>>15374183
Who could take the abuse of a PhD program and not be attention starved? And I don't mean the rigor, which is commensurate with the achievement, but the faculty any PhD candidate will be working under, those who hate you more than anything save themselves.

[Anonymous No.15375128]

>>15374183
yeah dude my kid is always sending out mail bombs to get attention. your retarded

[Anonymous No.15375177]

>>15369867
he looks handsome in this photo. don’t see why he couldn’t get any.

the dude is an anomaly for sure. i think he created a vision for modern society simply by experiencing it himself and reading history.

the “system” he claims to be a whole detriment to humans i can agree with.

[Anonymous No.15375216]

>>15375101
outside and off 4chan

[Anonymous No.15375238]

>>15375216
I mean which books, philosophers?
Is just me or someone else thought Anti-tech revolution "comfy" as fuck?

[Anonymous No.15375260]

>>15373888
TK was legitimately incredibly intelligent but was severely emotionally stunted, especially right as he left University. He also didn't fail at all, he went to the woods after a solidly successful time in academics. His critiques are at a dangerous system that will grow more dangerous, not a system that held him back.

Isaac Asimov is such a hack as an essayist and philosopher. I don't trust him in any capacity outside of hard science.

[Anonymous No.15375351]

He was a disturbed man and I don't think an impressionable person benefits from lionizing him

[Anonymous No.15375361]

>>15375351
The truth :3

[Anonymous No.15375505]

>>15373888
>nooooooooo you can't just be a heckin conservatino you're supposed to be high IQ!!!!!!
lol what a hack

[Anonymous No.15375710]

>>15373974
>think he is as smart as it gets, he's not some MENSA brainlet.
What did he do anyway?

[Anonymous No.15375720]

>>15369867
He had the guts to face the consequences of speaking the truth

[Anonymous No.15375785]

>>15375720
>speaking the truth
>mailing explosives to academics

[Anonymous No.15375804]

>>15375785
is there something wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.15375811]

>>15369867
He was really really really smart.

[Anonymous No.15375842]

>>15372913
Community is the pre-requisite for technical tyranny, Ted had the right idea

[Anonymous No.15375857]

>>15372913
>>15375842
Ted was in favor of tribalism, just not civilization.

[Anonymous No.15375891]

>>15375804
manifesto = speech
blowing people up != speech

[Anonymous No.15376045]

>>15375891
he was just an avant garde writer

[Anonymous No.15376142]

is it possible to reconcile his views with christianity?

[Anonymous No.15376617]

>>15373888
all this projection

[Anonymous No.15378159]

>>15373888
Ted's IQ is 165. He was tested when he was a kid. He's literally above genius level.

[Anonymous No.15378172]

why did he bombed the people? surely he aimed to achieve something by it. did he provide some rationale for it?

[Anonymous No.15378574]

>>15378172
To make people read his manifesto. He basicly forced the New York Times and Washington Post to print his full manifesto. He might be the only terrorist with which the US goverment ever openly negotiated.

[Anonymous No.15378619]

>>15375113
Don't forget the CIA torture literally designed to make you go insane.

>>15376142
It's impossible to rationalize most things with Abrahamism, unless you throw your hands up and just go full "there is literally no rhyme or reason for why anything happens other than because god wants it to and god is schizophrenic". There's a word for this, and I'm blanking on it.

>>15373974
People in the West have this weird idea that Liberalism is the best system ever, so obviously only dumb people like it. Ted was smart, so clearly he should've been in favor of Liberalism; he was not in favor of Liberalism, ergo he OBVIOUSLY had to be an idiot, because how can you NOT like Liberalism if you're smart? The TV told me all smart people like Liberalism!

The idea that being smart means you're smart enough to see that things could be better is totally foreign.

[Anonymous No.15378632]

>>15369867
His autistic-savant mind was capable of deep insight into the world around him, but it also produced too much noise for him to realize that all his problems originated within himself. In the end he caused a lot of suffering, not least of all to himself and anyone who cared about him or supported his views on technology. A sad reminder that those who choose violence will be violently crushed.

[Anonymous No.15378640]

Why couldn't he just get over it and accept reality?

[Anonymous No.15378647]

>>15378574
is that all into it? it always seemed bizzare to me. bombing factories would make more sense to actively fight the System. bombing not-so-high-profile people once an year for over a decade just to get publicity/publishing seems both as inefficient and overkill at the same time.

[Anonymous No.15378653]

>>15378640
Autism, literally. Unable to remake the world in his image, he did a genius-IQ version of the spergout, mailing bombs to his "enemies," aka guys who had never heard of him and whom he never tried to speak to beforehand.

[Anonymous No.15378661]

>>15378619
>There's a word for this, and I'm blanking on it.
“retarded”

[Anonymous No.15378666]

>>15369867
By ripping off Jacques Ellul :^)

[Anonymous No.15378720]

>>15369867
How much actual evidence do we have that hunter gatherers are more psychologically healthy? I wouldn't at all be surprised if they were, just given the argument that we evolved to live in such conditions, not in modern conditions, but what sorts of actual studies are there? I'm aware that getting any rigorous evidence for something like this is extremely difficult.

Also I know that Kaczynski has now moved on to saying the technological system if left unchecked is going to destroy all complex life on earth, so his argument has changed, but in the original manifesto he focused on that evopsych concept of a power process which I always found interesting, and wondered if there had ever been much good research done on that.

[Anonymous No.15378736]

>>15378720
Mens sana in corpore sano
Huntet gatherers had perfect bodies

[Anonymous No.15378771]

>>15378736
they have pretty normal bodies. Depends what you mean by perfect. Wasn't really what I was talking about though, and the idiom is obviously not entirely true, and not even what Ted said.

[Anonymous No.15378773]

>>15378640

He is one of the few people that really have accepted reality.

Most normies cope with nihilism, and a lot of channer neets cope with detachment and apathy. Pick your poison lol

[Anonymous No.15379330]

>>15376142
No, since his views require intelligence, a thing abrahamists generaly lack

[Anonymous No.15379341]

>>15369867
>cia does some testing with lsd
>teddy: lol let‘s do it
>technology and globalism is bad! Be one with nature!
While kinda true, he just went full goa/hippie mode and became a terrorist instead of using his stupid brain. Literally every fag who goes to raves and takes lsd starts with that shit.

[Anonymous No.15379343]

>>15378640
Yeah, why didn't he just become wise and accept reality like you have? There's no way you're living with a thousand different coping delusions and examined self-deceptions yourself, definitely not.

[Anonymous No.15379426]

>>15378632
>A sad reminder that those who choose violence will be violently crushed.
He's alive and his "bombwork" did give some publicity for his cause.
Also, who's more a killer, Kaczinski or the general/president who gave the orders to bomb Hiroshima/Nagasaki?
-Oh, but it was for a greater cause.
If this man is really right it was for the greater cause of the WHOLE human race. As you see you can justify pretty much anything with this rationale.

[Anonymous No.15379435]

>>15379341
the influence of that experience on him is vastly overrated + nearly entirely media created, like many things about his case. he wrote about it.

[Anonymous No.15379465]

>>15378771
>those tits though... Kek
I'm not sure if I wanna go back anymore, uncle Ted.

[Anonymous No.15379540]

>>15378647
He's said that his primary motivation was revenge.

[Anonymous No.15379652]

>>15378647
He's said that revenge was his primary motivation, and intellectuals do the most harm since they are the ones driving the development of technology.
>>15378771
Modern examples are unreliable since they're living on shitty land with limited resources; even so, ther physical health is/was vastly superior, and they could be very muscular if their ecology encouraged it.

[Anonymous No.15379699]

>>15375351
Holy shit is this picture real?

[Anonymous No.15379714]

>>15379699
wtf

[Anonymous No.15379775]

>>15378661
No, I agree, it's a really dumb idea, but it's been central to Islamic thought for the past 1,200 years or so. I think it starts with an O?

>>15378647
He goes over this. His thesis (at the time) was that he couldn't stop it, no one could. He was trying to spread his message so that when Industrial Society inevitably collapsed there would be people, even if just a few, who would know not to try and rebuild it.

[Anonymous No.15379785]

>>15379775
It's occasionalism, btw.

[Anonymous No.15379855]

He overdosed on redpills. It made him a visionary and a prophet, but it also drove him off the deep end

[Anonymous No.15379924]

>>15379775

>180. The technophiles are taking us all on an utterly reckless ride into the unknown. Many people understand something of what technological progress is doing to us, yet take a passive attitude towards it because they think it is inevitable. But we don't think it is inevitable. We think it can be stopped, and we will give here some indcations of how to go about stopping it.

[Anonymous No.15380225]

>>15369867
Ted haters can only criticize Ted because they can't refute what he wrote

[Anonymous No.15380396]

>>15380225
yep

[Anonymous No.15380406]

>>15379775
>He goes over this. His thesis (at the time) was that he couldn't stop it, no one could. He was trying to spread his message so that when Industrial Society inevitably collapsed there would be people, even if just a few, who would know not to try and rebuild it.


False. It's about forcing the collapse of the industrial system when the industrial system gets vulnerable....kinda like now with coronachan.

[Anonymous No.15380630]

How do I start reading him, or his reading order?

[Anonymous No.15380639]

>>15369867
>woooooooow
>tech bad
Try reading some authors from the 19th ce. Nothing new.

[Anonymous No.15380675]

Do you think Ted gets erotic love letters from horny young women like every other famous murderer and terrorist

[Anonymous No.15380700]

>>15380675
He said in an interview that he does get letters from chicks and other strange folk in prison.
I also heard a story that said he once called someone a brainlet for asking for help with math-homework

[Anonymous No.15380875]

He just needed to get laid.

[Anonymous No.15381122]

>>15380630
His two books, Technological Slavery and Anti Tech Revolution: Why and How are both available online. Technological Slavery contains his manifesto which is the best place to start.

[Anonymous No.15381152]

>>15379652
that guy on the left is literally cross-bred with an ape... cmon....

[Anonymous No.15382370]

>>15378619
>People in the West have this weird idea that Liberalism is the best system ever, so obviously only dumb people like it.
100%

[Anonymous No.15382410]

>>15380675
very strange, why do they do this?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15382428]

He didn't. Read Bookchin.

[Anonymous No.15382916]

>>15379435
Dunno anon. I knew some of the rave people and acid takers. All of them are the same
>buhu evil corporations
>buhu evil globalization
>buhu evil technology
>muh positive vibes
>muh natural energy
Funnily enough most of them are fucking hypocrites and that‘s why I hate those fags so much. Teddy takes lsd becomes like above but is smart + autistic and thinks he can change the world.

[Anonymous No.15382974]

>>15375101
Can life Prevail by Pentti Linkola is great. I have been meaning to read Man and Technics by Oswald Spengler, The Question Concerning Technology by Martin Heidegger and The Technological Society by Jaques Ellul.

[Anonymous No.15382982]

>>15369867
ted is so fucking overrated it's crazy
if you're retarded and think he's profound, I recc junger's the worker, it's actually good

[Anonymous No.15382983]

>>15369867
He was the og neet after all, trannie memes, pop culture obsession and all that.

[Anonymous No.15383026]

>>15375505
You read it wrong, you can be high IQ but there's no connection there with reason or self-esteem.
Naturally, low self-esteem high IQ critters will waste a lot of time and energy on trying to be dominant and 'fixing the world', so will drift to the right.

[Anonymous No.15383047]

>>15378159
UGH
a genius isn't a level you vidya kid.
A prodigy masters their field, hits targets nobody else can hit, answers questions others can't answer.
A genius contributes something new to their field, hits a target others can't see, answers questions others couldn't think of.
Chess playing AI can get to creative genius in hours now. Doesn't mean we should be letting them run the world and certainly doesn't mean they have any capacity for ethics or imagination.

[Anonymous No.15383056]

>>15379426
>Kaczynski had persistent and intense sexual fantasies about being a woman. While he was a graduate student at the University of Michigan in 1967, he went to a psychiatrist to discuss his wishes for a sex change operation. But in the waiting room, he decided he could not go forward. Instead, he told the psychiatrist he was depressed about the possibility of being drafted.

His near confession of his feelings so filled him with rage, in this case directed at psychiatrists, that he went through a major transformation.

>"As I walked away from the building afterwards," Kaczynski wrote in documents released today, "I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do. And I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope."

Kaczynski's new hope? To take his rage out on others, including the psychiatrist. "I will kill," Kaczynski wrote. "But I will make at least some effort to avoid detection so that I can kill again."

[Anonymous No.15383078]

>>15378647
>bombing not-so-high-profile people once an year for over a decade just to get publicity/publishing seems both as inefficient and overkill at the same time.

The fact that he felt that what he had to say was important enough to kill over - moreover, that his victims were persons who he could have virtually no other reason to kill - has ensured that ISAIF will continue to be read for a long, long time out of curiosity and historical relevance if for no other reason. He gripped the public consciousness through the calculated usage of violence and then focused that attention on the message he wished to deliver; it was a brilliant move.

[Anonymous No.15383148]

>>15374183
are you doubting that his mathematical accolades are impressive? what are you some humanities recent grad thats out of a job?

[Anonymous No.15383156]

>>15383078
>a brilliant move
nah

[Anonymous No.15383165]

>>15383078
>He thought it was important enough to kill random strangers over
>therefore he's valuable and will be read for a long time
nope. violent cranks are the same all the time.

[Anonymous No.15383873]

An example of a person whose intellect allows him to conquer the world, only to come to the realisation that the artificial success and wealth are superficial things that don't actually provide true happiness and that all that DOES bring true contentment and liberty is either long broken down or being destroyed at an extreme pace.

You don't have to be like Ted, or follow his example, but if you cannot admit that everything he says is simply the TRUTH then you are sleeping, retarded or jewish.

[Anonymous No.15383892]

>>15382410
I don't know, but it's pretty well documented. I think some are attracted to the danger and others think they can fix them. Like there's a big community of women who are in love with the Columbine shooters. And I recall somebody posting about this chick who was sexually and romantically obsessed with Adam Lanza.

[Anonymous No.15384025]

>>15375842
It's also the prerequisite for society.

>>15376142
It's possible to reconcile anything with Christianity, you just say "oh well, they were wrong on that one." Thinkers aren't holy writ - take what you want and dump the rest.

[Anonymous No.15384041]

>>15379426
>He's alive and his "bombwork" did give some publicity for his cause.
To other people who'll be crushed. You fail to understand the nature of power.

[Anonymous No.15384047]

>>15369867
he didn't

[Anonymous No.15384048]

>>15379652
>intellectuals do the most harm since they are the ones driving the development of technology.
No, STEM cunts drive the development of technology, not intellectuals.

[Anonymous No.15384056]

>>15382410
They have an instinctive attraction to men of destiny and decision.

[Anonymous No.15384301]

>>15373974
my parents attended uc berkeley>>> so, im super intelli, right?

also, my dad worked in aerospace for major corp. 30+ years that dev. rockets for nasa space shuttle, whilst only a degree in CA history..

im mensa material fosho...

[Anonymous No.15384359]

>>15369867
He didn't, he simply wrote garbage that agrees with your preconceived biases about society and politics. His work is rather amateurish.

[Anonymous No.15384363]

for people who are supposedly very anti-academia, tedfags sure love to bring up how ted was IN THE SMARTESTEST UNIVERSITY .DIDNT YOU KNOW? THEY TESTED HIS IQ AND IT SAID HE WAS SUPER SMARTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE THAT MEANS HE'S RIGHT SEE

[Anonymous No.15384428]

>>15384359
Yeah it is a poor synthesis of some good ideas with many bad ideas, propagated by a guy whose brain was built for math not political philosophy. His inability to produce truly high quality thought led him to kill people in order to be taken seriously. I suppose it worked, but that doesn't make him a better thinker.

[Anonymous No.15384511]

>>15369867
Loser. He should have had interracial gay sex.

[Anonymous No.15384527]

>>15384511
Joking aside, he probably would have had a more fulfilling life had he done this.

[Anonymous No.15384571]

>>15384359
>>15384428
>*raises eyebrow*
>*sticks pinky out while holding cocktail glass*
>sweatie...
>ted... ted kaczynsky
>ummm he's just not like respected like
>the synthesis you know it's just not very good okayyyyy?
>hmm yeah umm
>typical for mathpeople can't you know be like proper into philosophy
>yeah actually it's a lot more umm, subtle and difficult
>yeah the philosophical community yeah we're just like not really super excited about that kind of thinking
>you know?
>actually we agree it's just not very high quality, just not very high quality thinking ummm
>he was totally evil also so that's you know something so
>yeah

[Anonymous No.15384585]

>>15383892
ADAM LANZA?? BAHAHA
>>15384056
based

[Anonymous No.15384612]

>IQ

[Anonymous No.15385822]

>>15369867
he's a cryptojew

[Anonymous No.15385919]

>>15384363
if you were literate you might have noticed that pro-tedfags were not the first people to appeal to his qualifications in this thread

[Anonymous No.15386299]

>>15375101
lol you pathetic little faggot need simple statements handed to you on a little plate? cant read complicated works, must study a catalogue of self affirming babylevel worldviews

[Anonymous No.15386633]

>>15386299
>t. doesn't actually get anything except posturing out of reading the empty obscurantist works the academic pseud establishment told him to read

[Anonymous No.15386707]

>>15381152
*Denisovan
>>15384048
Both are complicit, but yeah, academics would have been more accurate.
>>15384571
lol