Is spirituality possible without superstition/the supernatural?

[Anonymous No.15364391]

[Anonymous No.15364412]

Yes, read Spinoza.

[Anonymous No.15364437]

>>15364412
where should I start with him?

[Anonymous No.15364507]

Yes, read the platonists.

[Anonymous No.15364559]

Yes, read Guenon.

[Anonymous No.15364586]

>>15364437
The Ethics

[Anonymous No.15364671]

>>15364412
>implying reason and discursive knowledge aren't superstitious
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.15364715]

>>15364671
Spinoza gives preference to the body. He doesn't go further into reason as Descartes or Kant.

[Anonymous No.15364727]

>>15364715
i know, but his system is rationalistic

[Anonymous No.15364742]

>>15364391
Yes, read Socrates

[Anonymous No.15364764]

>>15364391
No. The very term "spirituality" comes from supernatural ideology.

[Anonymous No.15364954]

>>15364391
No.

[Anonymous No.15364999]

Yes. The psychedelic experience is not supernatural, because it is an easy to attain reliable process (just drop and wait). But it is definitely spiritual in its content. In fact, superstitious spirituality is a sign that a culture is screwed up: you don't need spiritual illusion when you have spiritual reality.
(It may be possible to attain these states without psychedelics. I just went to those because they're the easiest.)

[Anonymous No.15365021]

[Anonymous No.15365042]

>>15364391
>is spirituality possible without spirituality?

[Anonymous No.15365128]

>>15365042
The spiritual is misunderstood material but in other dimensions

[Anonymous No.15365136]

>>15365021
based this reality is a passing nightmare

[Anonymous No.15365173]

>>15364391
read MahaPrajnaParamita-Sastra by Nagarjuna

[Anonymous No.15365180]

You ask: "What is spirituality?" First one should ask, "Who am I?" First one should ask, "What is this consciousness in me?" But we make a philosophical question out of an existential one. The existential is forgotten and the philosophical becomes very significant: "What is spirituality?"

Spirituality is not something that can be defined, is not something that can be answered; it is something that you have to explore. And the right beginning will be, don't ask such stupid questions. Start with something sensible. Ask, "Who am I?"

And I cannot answer that question. You have to ask within yourself, "Who am I?" Go on using that question as a digging instrument within your being. Just as a person digs a well, one has to dig a well in oneself because there are layers and layers of conditioning, layers and layers of knowledge. Unless you have thrown all those layers out you will not know your own being, your own center.

The Indian mind is the most rotten in the world because it is the most ancient in the world. It has existed for at least ten thousand years; it has forgotten how to die. It does not know how to live; it has forgotten to die. It is in a kind of limbo, it is in a kind of coma breathing; not dead, not alive either. And it asks great questions, but those questions arise out of borrowed knowledge. "What is spirituality? What is enlightenment?" All bullshit! There is no spirituality. There is no enlightenment. To know this is to be enlightened. To be just ordinary: to live, to enjoy, to love, to dance, to sing, to create the very ordinary existence with an extraordinary intensity, with passion, that is enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.15365191]

>>15365180
>What is spirituality? What is enlightenment?" All bullshit! There is no spirituality. There is no enlightenment. To know this is to be enlightened.

[Anonymous No.15365201]

>>15364391
yes. "spirituality" is a vague term.

i don't think it is far out or irrational to consider that there may be characteristics of the natural/physical world that our minds find difficult to interact with, and that these unclear, fuzzy interactions can give rise to "spirituality."

try reading some of the psychonautical literature. many writers will invoke a "beyond" - but if you approach it with a strict materialist lens, it is impossible to not consider their experiences as arising from the physical mind's interaction with parts of our world that are not normally available to us.

[Anonymous No.15365226]

>>15365180
I'm tired of this pasta and this guru shit.

[Anonymous No.15365236]

>>15365191
based isn't it?

[Anonymous No.15365282]

>>15365226
Im tired of jews cutting off babies foreskins and sucking on the baby bloody dick and politicians starting wars

Tired of this shit

[Anonymous No.15365287]

>>15364999
>In fact, superstitious spirituality is a sign that a culture is screwed up: you don't need spiritual illusion when you have spiritual reality.
Absolutely retarded materialism. Not unexpected from a druggy though. Also, such broad brushes and truisms are the sign of the midwit.
>>15365021
This. And rough analogues for most well developed spiritual practices like Christianity, Hinduism, etc.

[Anonymous No.15366479]

Spirituality is only possible without superstition/the supernatural.

[Anonymous No.15366572]

>>15366479
lol this is simply untrue

[Anonymous No.15366645]

>>15366572
People who are superstitious/supernaturally inclined are not spiritual.

[Anonymous No.15366668]

>>15364764
Spirit is supernatural in the same sense that math is, so no.

[Anonymous No.15366673]

>>15366479
This to be quite honest. Hylics need not reply.

[Anonymous No.15366710]

>>15364391
Yes. It's Pessimism

[Anonymous No.15366719]

>>15364391
Embrace P R A G M A T I S M

[Anonymous No.15366722]

>>15366668
math is deductive, spirituality is transcendental

[Anonymous No.15366731]

>>15366722
what does it transcend?

[Anonymous No.15366739]

>>15364391
Why do hylics want to secularize religion so bad? Just deal with it, you either truly believe or you don't.

[Anonymous No.15366750]

yes read hegel

>>15364764
youre wrong

>>15366666

[Anonymous No.15366763]

>>15365136
>Implying you're not in one of the better lives on earth

[Anonymous No.15366822]

>>15364391
>buddha.jpeg
here we go again with the s*cular buddhist warping of the validity of the supramundane in buddhism

[Anonymous No.15367517]

it depends on your definition of supernatural。

[Anonymous No.15367522]

>>15367517
and of spirituality。