So now that the dust has settled

[Anonymous No.15252828]

who was a better philosopher?

[Anonymous No.15252845]

>>15252828
One on the left is THE best philosopher.
One on the right is a flat-headed, insipid, nauseating, illiterate charlatan, who reached the pinnacle of audacity in scribbling together and dishing up the craziest mystifying nonsense. This nonsense has been noisily proclaimed as immortal wisdom by mercenary followers and readily accepted as such by all fools, who thus joined into as perfect a chorus of admiration as had ever been heard before. The extensive field of spiritual influence with which Hegel was furnished by those in power has enabled him to achieve the intellectual corruption of a whole generation.

[Anonymous No.15252847]

>>15252828
Schopenhauer ultimately, though during their lifetimes Hegel was more successful.

[Anonymous No.15252862]

>>15252845
/thread

[Anonymous No.15252875]

>>15252828
Hegel has more influence, Schopenhauer is pretty mediocre in comparison

[Anonymous No.15252891]

>>15252828
Hegel was insane for trying to turn metaphysics into objective science and loses automatically.

[Anonymous No.15252954]

>He scheduled his lectures to coincide with those of the famous philosopher G. W. F. Hegel, whom Schopenhauer described as a "clumsy charlatan". Hegel was also facing political suspicions at the time when many progressive professors were fired, while Schopenhauer carefully mentioned in his application that he had no interest in politics. Despite their differences and the arrogant request to schedule lectures at the same time as his own, Hegel still voted to accept Schopenhauer to the university. However, only five students turned up to Schopenhauer's lectures, and he dropped out of academia.
literally Virgin vs Chad

[Anonymous No.15253317]

Don't flatter Schopy by calling him a philosopher. He is one of the most useless people I have ever seen. A waste of life.

[Anonymous No.15253322]

>>15253317
What did he say that is wrong?

[Anonymous No.15253332]

>>15253317
Nice argument very persuasive

[Anonymous No.15253341]

>>15252828
I appreciate Hegel. I have not read Schopenhauer, so I cannot comment on him.

[Anonymous No.15253387]

Schopenhaur's hate was pure ressentiment

[Anonymous No.15253391]

>>15253322
>philosophy is about not being wrong

[Anonymous No.15253395]

>Lol at all the niggas saying Schopenhauer wasn't influential

[Anonymous No.15253401]

hegel's philosophy is about contradiction, not synthesis. 'thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis' is a perversion of his philosophy. hegel's point is that contradiction is fundemental.

schopenhauer's philosophy (this is a gross simplification) states that the 'will' is the thing-in-itself, the fundemental aspect of our being. the will=the unconscious, an intractable, contradictory principle that drives human behavior, just like Hegel's 'contradiction.'

which one is better? it's hard to say because they are saying the same thing.

[Anonymous No.15253402]

Destroyed by his own mother

[Anonymous No.15253403]

>>15253391
Yes.
What did Schopenhauer say that was wrong, why are his conclusions unjustified, unsound, invalid, and "useless"?

[Anonymous No.15253415]

>>15253402
Are there any records of what Hegel's mother wrote/said to him?

[Anonymous No.15253419]

>>15253395
Compared to Hegel though? Pretty much everything after him was just a reaction to him

[Anonymous No.15253423]

>>15253415
She was upset that he impregnated all his maids

[Anonymous No.15253426]

>>15253415
you're looking at it pal

[Anonymous No.15253442]

>>15253402
fuck that whore!

[Anonymous No.15253447]

>>15253402
His mother was a loveless, heartless woman. It shaped his pessimistic views. It always comes back to our upbringing.

[Anonymous No.15253456]

>>15253447
So you are saying we should dismiss him because he was bias toward pessimism?

[Anonymous No.15253457]

>>15253419
Hegel was satanic and influenced both Communism and Nazis. Fuck Hegel.

>tfw look up Hegel and Marx
>mfw I got Marx and Hegel shipping arrived

Okay that’s enough internet for a day.

[Anonymous No.15253467]

>>15252875
Hegel has basically zero influence in contemporary philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15253479]

>>15253401
>they are saying the same thing
In your dreams, obfuscuck.

[Anonymous No.15253481]

>>15253456
Of course not, I never said anything of the sort.

[Anonymous No.15253485]

>>15253457
What the fuck is wrong people? LOL

I am done

[Anonymous No.15253497]

>>15253467
There’s a direct line from Hegel to the Cold War

[Anonymous No.15253503]

>>15253401
Hegel never even says ‘thesis, antithesis, synthesis’ - that’s Fichte.

[Anonymous No.15253505]

>>15253403
The stuff about art being mere distraction was weak af.

[Anonymous No.15253514]

>>15252954
He used to get into autistic squabbles with Hegel too, often on the definitions of words.

[Anonymous No.15253537]

>>15253497
The cold war isn't philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15253542]

>>15253456
what he's saying is that the more you relate to him the truer he becomes, as with all of philosophy

[Anonymous No.15253559]

[Anonymous No.15253576]

>>15252954
Any more of these philosopher squabbles. I know there was also Leibniz vs Newton but that wasn’t a philosopher debate

[Anonymous No.15253581]

>>15253537
Lol, what is it then? I guess the Cold War was just some dude playing a massive game of Civ?

[Anonymous No.15253588]

>>15253559
In the context of the film, Hegel tells the truth.

[Anonymous No.15253636]

>>15252828
Hegel influenced:
>young hegelians
>Marxists
>British Idealists
>American Pragmatists
>Critical Theorists
>Postmodernists
>Modern Hegelians like Toronto

Schopenhauer
>a handful of quality individuals (Neetchee, Tolstoy, Borges, Einstein, Hartmann, etc.)

In the long run of philosophy, you can’t do away with Hegel and his oaradigm shifting thought. There are two different thinkers, but ultimately Schopenhauer is too shallow anywhere outside of TWaWaR.

[Anonymous No.15253712]

>>15253576
not necessarily a "philosopher squabble" but I've always found the relationship between Nietzsche and Wagner interesting

[Anonymous No.15253962]

>>15253712
Literally virgin vs chad also.

[Anonymous No.15254014]

>>15253636
Or in other words:
Hegel influenced:
>A bunch of useless screeching people who do nothing but destroy the world.
Schopenhauer influenced:
>Some of the greatest geniuses of their respective areas.

[Anonymous No.15254036]

>>15253401
I'm not one to dislike Jung, but as soon as you equate Schopenhauer's will to the unconscious and everything you say that follows that line is plainly stupid. This was not Schopenhauer's philosophy, and you are missing what even makes the will to Schopenhauer the root essence of life in his philosophy. Not even a mention of suffering, and furthermore because of this you not only make the mistake of falsely describing his system, but also of mistakenly using(and in this also misunderstanding) Jung's system. And not to even mention the mistake of "they're the same thing".

[Anonymous No.15254053]

>>15253467
It's like you don't even know who Husserl, Heidegger or Deleuze are.

[Anonymous No.15254149]

>>15253576
Sartre vs Camus

[Anonymous No.15254174]

>>15254053
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15254204]

>>15253576
Deleuze and Lacan

Wittgenstein vs Wittgenstein

[Anonymous No.15254237]

>>15252828
They need each other. The eternal war. Heraclitus was indeed correct.

[Anonymous No.15254253]

>>15254237
oops forgot pic

[Anonymous No.15254283]

>>15253447
Nietzsche had a stupid hateful mother and sister too and wasn't nothing like Schope

[Anonymous No.15254360]

BUMP!

[Anonymous No.15254367]

>>15252845
fpbp

[Anonymous No.15254390]

>>15253402
Fucking based ms. Schopenhauer, absolutely btfo her son. Mother knows best.

[Anonymous No.15254425]

>>15254014

This

>>15254014
You say that like the people who got inspiration from schop, had it from a largely artistic rather than intensive point of view. Einstein? Took him as a method of understanding his own life than for anything analytic. Nietche, the poet? He really didn’t develop much, was just good at stating ideas that were already well developed in a way that people found compelling.

[Anonymous No.15254553]

Why has this board developed such a hate boner for Hegel? Too many Anglos trying and failing to understand philosophy?

[Anonymous No.15254588]

>>15252891
Hegel was just autistic. Schopen was batshit crazy. He was in a constant state of dread and paranoia having visions and hallucinations. He one pushed his maid down the stairs for making too much noise.

[Anonymous No.15254598]

>bro what if life was shit
>also antinatalism lol

[Anonymous No.15254605]

>>15254553
Cause they could never get into him. Schopenhauer is easy to read. Once you read someone you will have a selection bias. I guarantee you that if you make someone read 1 book from an important philosopher, the. Make them only read a Wikipedia article for the rest, surprise surprise they are likely to call the one they read fully the best, and philosophers with vastly different opinions being charlatans.

Same reason why people say nietzche ended philosophy. Because it’s often the first philosopher edgy teens read. (Not that they are necessarily wrong, but wrong for the wrong reasons)

[Anonymous No.15254606]

>>15254553
anglos don't even post on philosophy threads, they're the just make tolkien threads

[Anonymous No.15254608]

>>15252828
Neither

[Anonymous No.15254613]

>>15253402
WTF BROS?! I thought m*Le misogynist mental gymnastics were supposed to BTFO society and foids! But here our B&R Schopenhauer is being BTFO beyond proportion by his own mother! How will we EVER cope?!

[Anonymous No.15254654]

>>15254613
she was a stupid cow

[Anonymous No.15254665]

>>15254654
Yeah and he had all the good arguments.
His cursed intelligence came from somewhere. It's no surprise white women are getting knocked up by niggers when considering failures like Schopenhauer only good for fellow braincels to read.

[Anonymous No.15254711]

>>15254665
you may have problems not even /lit/ can solve

[Anonymous No.15254771]

>>15253403

He is mostly a Phenomenologist, though not as bad as the Buddhists, a Phenomenologist nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.15254785]

>>15252845
ok schope

[Anonymous No.15254864]

>>15252828
>not getting hardened by reading Hegel

never gonna make it,

even the philosophers, who don't admire Hegel for what he said, read him because of his methodology

[Anonymous No.15254939]

>>15253457
What the fuck are you even trying to say

[Anonymous No.15254972]

>>15254939
I’m assuming he was looking for some appropriate Marx and Hegel infographic to aid his arguments but came across shipping art instead >>15253485

He quite the Internet for the day.

[Anonymous No.15254986]

>>15253467
Post some contemporary philosophers.

[Anonymous No.15254990]

>>15252954
lmfao
This tells me all I need to know.

[Anonymous No.15255018]

>>15253485
picture is cute desu

[Anonymous No.15255096]

>>15252828
Left is a retard and right is the greatest thinker of all time

[Anonymous No.15255109]

>>15255096
quit hijacking bodies and go to sleep Hegel

[Anonymous No.15255265]

>>15252828
I love Schopenhauer. He's my favorite thinker of all time. There's one thinker who is vastly inferior to him. The rest of them are alright, except for the disciple of that one imbecile.

I was not paid to write this post by the Schopenhauer Foundation.

[Anonymous No.15255346]

>>15254605
Unlike Schopenhauer, Nietzsche isn't accessible. Normies didn't read him

[Anonymous No.15255378]

>>15253415
Hegel's mother loved and nurtured him. She taught him tough latin shit when he was a toddler, and her death when he was young made a massive impact on his life and sort of ruined his relationship with his father.

[Anonymous No.15255428]

>>15252845
My left or yours?

[Anonymous No.15255436]

Almost every great thinker had a great relationship with his mother. Look at Hitler, for example.

[Anonymous No.15255483]

>>15255436
Everyone should start with esoteric Hitlerism when it comes to philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15255516]

>>15255483
start with the pricks? ok

[Anonymous No.15255542]

>>15255436
Indeed, history has shown that mommyfags always win.

[Anonymous No.15255826]

>>15254605
>Schopenhauer is easy to read.

That's a good thing. Of all the German philosophers Schopehauer was by far the one with the best writing skills. Hegel is pathetic in comparison. It's not just a consequence of his methodology. He genuinely wasn't able to write properly in German. You can see from his private letters that even when not writing philosophy he had terrible writing skills. Of course you could say that the skills of Schopenhauer were a bit forced because he purposefully worked on it in order to increase the contrast with Hegel's writing.

[Anonymous No.15255828]

>>15253419
where'd you get that chart?

[Anonymous No.15256214]

>>15252845
making your opinion more dramatic doesn't make it more believable

[Anonymous No.15256252]

>>15256214
That's almost word for word Schopenhauer's opinion of Hegel

[Anonymous No.15256414]

>>15252845
BASED!

[Anonymous No.15256461]

>>15252954
So was Hegel the bigger man?

[Anonymous No.15256502]

>>15256461
for you.

[Anonymous No.15256902]

Reminder that Arthur, following the Romantic tradition, claimed that music is the superior form of art.

[Anonymous No.15257459]

>>15252845

/thread

[Anonymous No.15257630]

>>15256252
not really