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>The one aim of those who practice philosophy in the proper manner is to practice for dying and death
What does this look like? Any fiction that would help understand what Plato is saying?

https://youtu.be/HdWw9SksiwQ

>> No.15250224

>>15250203
What he means is cultivating the soul is more important than the physical realm. Jesus's execution is an example of this.

>> No.15250228

>>15250203
Plato hated life. That's why his master Socrates cared only for the metaphysical world and was so eager to die.

>> No.15250239

>>15250228
>We must give a cock to Asclepius

>> No.15250282

>>15250224
Does Jesus discuss anything similar?

>> No.15250368

>>15250228
how does the latter explain the first one former though?
>Socrates cared only for the metaphysical world
therefore
>Plato hated life ("material life"

did you mixed up "why" and "because". In both cases is wrong. Also, your take on Plato and Socrates is from wikipedia?
Because Plato was the one that argued for the world of Ideas. Socrates was never sure about anything.

>> No.15250439

>>15250368
Plato's Socrates is only a mouthpiece for Plato himself, or in other words: Plato's hatred for life is evidenced by Socrates' utterances.

>> No.15250454

>>15250439
but Socrates didn't hate life therefore your point makes no sense.

>> No.15250484

>>15250454
How would you know? We don't know what he though since the only existing sources are from his pupils and if Plato's account is anything to go by and not entirely made up then Socrates definitely did hate life as is evidenced by his idea that life is a disease for which death is the cure.

>> No.15250544

>>15250484
i don't think plato hated life, he just acknowledged the superiority of the eternal realm; he deemed the world to be a receptacle of symbols of the hyperuranion, created by a divine intelligence;that is actually life-affirming.
anyways what is the problem about hating life though

>> No.15250571

>>15250484
>>15250544
Socrates believed that the Gods chose when everyone is to die and was generally anti-suicide.

>> No.15250586

>>15250203
Montaigne have an essay about that premie, read it

>> No.15250632

>>15250544
>anyways what is the problem about hating life though
Hating life is absurd; you can perhaps hate your own life but to hate life altogether doesn't make any sense. When someone came to Diogenes and declared to him that life is an evil Diogenes corrected him: "not life itself, but living ill'.

>> No.15250635
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15250635

>>15250203
This is what he meant, but not really

>> No.15250712

>>15250632
yeah, but in a more idealistic point of view this is not life, but a prelude to it

>> No.15250715

>>15250203
yeah, read patanjali

>> No.15250918

>>15250203
>practice for dying and death
That looks like living.

>> No.15250991

>>15250632
Yeah, Socrates didn't view it as committing suicide at all but rather, he simply believed the Gods had chosen for him to die at that moment.

>> No.15251023

>>15250368
Socrates was always after forms as well, which is to say, universals. He knew that the only thing he knew was that he knew nothing, but that's precisely because he denied that justice and beauty and so forth are heterogeneous and intersubjective. And, I dunno, read Phaedo sometime.

>> No.15252611

>>15250239
Without a doubt the most based scene in all of Plato's corpus