/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15248792]

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[Anonymous No.15248818]

>>15248792
It's not about the complexity of the content. It's about what emotions it evokes. At least this is how women work.

[Anonymous No.15248823]

>>15248792
The Tiger is unironically better than 95+% of instagram "poetry"

[Anonymous No.15248830]

>>15248818
Then women are about fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.15249133]

>>15248792
How did he do it bros

[Anonymous No.15249154]

>>15248792
he's pretty gifted, he has great potential

[Anonymous No.15249519]

>>15248830
uhhh you think?

[Anonymous No.15249760]

I think Nael, age 6’s poem is better than William Blake’s.

[Anonymous No.15249769]

>>15248792
The Tiger is literally the best poem I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.15249773]

I don't get it, Rupi's poem is much better

[Anonymous No.15249790]

>>15248792
Literally every time I read Nael's poem i am reimpressed. How did he do it

[Anonymous No.15250048]

Yes
YES

[Anonymous No.15250217]

>>15249769
Same

[Anonymous No.15250259]

>>15249133
Purity of heart is to will one thing. Nael spoke from his heart to the ecstasy of freedom, the freedom we all long for yet fear in the same breath, and we recognize the truth and the utter removal of artifice which plagues any mediocre poet. Nael is incapable of dilettantism.

[Anonymous No.15250288]

>>15249133
Children are inherently freedompilled and relatively less subject to ideology

[Anonymous No.15250299]

>>15248792
Naels poem is truly very good

[Anonymous No.15250343]

>>15249773
No, it isn't.

In order to emphasize the intended emotions, Kaur has resorted to the extra-poetic insertion of a drawing upon the page, thus inadvertently revealing that her verse is unable to stand on its own, shall we say, "feet".

Meanwhile, Nigel has had the intuition of simply using majuscules in order to achieve the same effect, thus showing that the verbal has a similar capacity to the visual, just as long as you are able to explore its (the verbal's) contrasts of size, disposition on the page, and so on. Clearly, we see a young poet who's wisely following the tradition of Mallarmé and the Brazilian concretists - while at the same time applying their formal discoveries to a mixture of the visual world of William Blake with the philosophical developments of the existentialist tradition.

Yet many will ask me: how is it so? Well, my dear, if you read the poem very closely, you can see that the majuscules not only achieve the aforementioned affect, as they also depict the evolution of phenomenalist discovery, as the tiger suddenly sees the world around him enlarge in the space of a single second, bringing him freedom. Here, it's useful to point out the contrast between the rational - the minuscules - which represent the tiger in the act - the techne even - of breaking up his cage; and the irrational - the majuscules - which represent the tiger in the "realization" (in both the English and the Romance sense of the word) of freedom.

However, freedom from constraint entails an obligation towards action (remember that, thanatos excepted, inaction itself is action). And this is why, at the final line, we come back to the minuscules.

So what does this mean? Why is rationality back in the game? What has happened to the irrational realization of freedom? Pay attention to the words:

"The tiger is out".

Here we see the ambiguity of poetry reaching to one single truth: either the tiger is out in the sense that he is physically free; or else he's out in the sense that he is over, in the sense that he has transformed himself into another individual altogether due to his new state of being. And yet, in both cases (the poem does not let us determine which one is which, and there might be - there probably is - a heavy relationship between one and the other), what do we have left? The indecision of the free.

What will the tiger do now? Well, you see, it is a Buridan-like situation, bringing us to a stop which cannot be transposed by irrationality, but merely stated and lamented by reason. And the genius of the poet is in the fact that this sorry situation is represented graphically (another hommage to Mallarmé and the concretists) by the simple lack of a final point.

Yes, my friends: in life, as in all other enterprises, there is no "where" to the final point! We go on in our dream of reason incessantly, signifying nothing, and it's only when the cages have finally broken that we meet the Eye of God (oh, Mallarmé!): an empty page.

[Anonymous No.15250354]

>>15249773
It's genuinely worse

[Anonymous No.15250365]

The Tiger is so fucking good.
The rhythm of yes, YES, the ti-ger is out
I really can't get over it

[Anonymous No.15250380]

>>15249133
By being authentic. All Rupi is capable of is running around, flailing her arms and yelling "LOOK AT MY BLOODY CUNT, LOOK AT MY BLOODY CUNT! I'M SO EMPOWERED BUT ALSO SAD SOMETIMES TEHEHEH!" Anyone can see through her pseudo-profound sham.

[Anonymous No.15250386]

>>15248792
The first """poem""" is stupid. The only reason it can be regarded as poetry are the three line breaks placed arbitrarily in an otherwise boringly banal sentence.

[Anonymous No.15250401]

>>15250365
what I find astonishing is how well he's making use of the free verse format. He picked the perfect set of phrases and then actually used the format to their advantage, when 90% of the contemporary dreck published with that structure may as well jsut be a sentence.

[Anonymous No.15250469]

>>15248818
it evokes nothing in me
there's no specificity
that's my main problem with instagram shit: in seeking to maximize relatability, it obliterates particularity
this dooms it to being essentially Hallmark cards; they will never get beyond floating platitudes because they're not training their eyes
they write like the physical world does not exist

[Anonymous No.15250563]

>yes
>YES
>The tiger is out

I legit felt an adrenaline rush

[Anonymous No.15250623]

>>15250563
>tfw you start with a plain description of a tiger escaping and suddenly you're not sure if you're getting the perspective of the tiger or a madman

[Anonymous No.15250637]

>>15250623
It's like John McAfee wrote that poem

[Anonymous No.15250651]

>>15250401
Just shows that education makes you dumber. Kids start off with good intuitive skills.

[Anonymous No.15250697]

Fucking love that Tiger poem
I remember there's another poem from the same collection from a little girl who picks up a leaf or something, think it was also really good

[Anonymous No.15250809]

>>15250343
holy based

[Anonymous No.15250869]

>>15249133
He embodies the spirit of Rimbaud.
A pure poet is necessarily a rebellious teenager, which is the reason why Rimbaud himself suddenly abandoned poetry.

[Anonymous No.15251180]

>>15249133
Analyzing this completely from what the poem is:
First line is establishment. Fairly obvious, has to be there. Second is an action, which is fundamental to telling any story. It's also an action we don't expect (probably). The third can be taken two ways ("yes, the tiger is out" and "the tiger is out - yes!"), so the second yes makes it crystal clear that it's the second interpretation, while adding emotion in a simple and easy to see form. The last line sums up the whole poem and generates a whole new story in our heads about what happens next. As for the meter, structure, etc. I really have no idea, but all the line breaks make sense. Each line is a complete sentence - you could write the poem in a sentence and put punctuation between the lines and it would work, for a lot of different combinations. That makes it feel clean and easy to read, basically no matter how you read it.

[Anonymous No.15251186]

Poetry is a fucking scam

[Anonymous No.15251235]

>>15251180
Contrasting Rupi's poem:
First line is fine establishment, but we kinda need more already, since it's more abstract than "the tiger", which immediately evokes a specific image. "Stay" could lead into a lot, which is fine as long as it leads somewhere. But "I whispered" is the same as "stay" - it doesn't generate anything specific at all. Why is she whispering? To who? Where is this taking place? What's going on here? Again, this could be fine... until the next line does the same thing again. Who is this you person? What is "you" doing? Again, a delay. At least there's some context for the last two lines though. But still no specific images? Is it nighttime in a hotel room? Daytime in a cafe? You can make a poem without any of these things, but there's nothing else to anchor onto here - no interesting proposal, moral quandary, puzzle to solve. The last line reveals what the poem is about, but is a total letdown. That's it? And we still don't know what was going on, really. Apparently Rupi thought the idea would just carry itself, because being sad someone is leaving is totally original and interesting.
The first line break makes sense. The second should be cleaned up "I whispered, as you" feels much better, and doesn't have that irritating overemotional feel of "as you", which isn't strong enough to deserve its own line.

[Anonymous No.15251751]

Neal's poem is shit. It doesn't communicate anything. Even symbolically it's not about any longing of freedom but the brief moment of action. The other poem at least is describing a charged moment that my many have experienced (except incels)

[Anonymous No.15251778]

>>15251751
there needs to be a design within captcha that filters women

[Anonymous No.15251785]

>>15251778
>there needs to be a design within captcha that filters women
Agreed, mind offering a pic of your dick?

[Anonymous No.15251800]

>>15251785
sure thing, but it comes with my butt i hope thats ok

[Anonymous No.15251808]

>>15250697
I'm fond of the robot haiku one, and the way it demonstrates the gap in creativity between AI and humans.

[Anonymous No.15251820]

>>15248818
>At least this is how women work.
All women are fascist?

[Anonymous No.15251821]

>>15250343

The most based post I have ever seen.

[Anonymous No.15251825]

>>15251820
wtf I love women now

[Anonymous No.15251886]

>>15250697
>>15251808

[Anonymous No.15251895]

>>15248818
the kid's poem evokes emotion way more

[Anonymous No.15251896]

>>15250697
>>15251808
>>15251886
Felt peculiar checking the "I'm not a robot" box before posting this.

[Anonymous No.15251905]

>>15248792
both are shit, OP

[Anonymous No.15251906]

>>15251896
This is actually pretty clever

[Anonymous No.15251908]

>>15250343
>"The tiger is out"
Oh yaaas queen - this tiger is OUT!

[Anonymous No.15251947]

>>15248792
The Tiger is unironically a masterpiece. It beats out all of the contrived bullshit that is modern poetry. The Tiger sparks a very primal enjoyment in me that I can't fully articulate.

[Anonymous No.15251949]

>>15251886
Much better than the other kid
>>15251895
It couldn't be more bereft of emotion. He watches too many cartoons

[Anonymous No.15251960]

>>15251947
It's because you have the emotional scope of a 6yo

[Anonymous No.15251970]

>>15251960
You are a pretentious bugman who feels like you are above basic emotion. I would post a retard wojak wearing a smart wojak mask because that's the level of response you deserve. I don't save that shit on my PC though.

[Anonymous No.15251977]

>>15251960
This.

[Anonymous No.15251989]

If we aren't trying to meme here left is better

[Anonymous No.15251991]

>>15251949
>>15251960

Behold the cringe contrarian

[Anonymous No.15251997]

If the first one had a signature that said it was by some 8 year old they would be all over it

[Anonymous No.15252001]

>>15248792

don't
I cried
as you
left me

Sad
I was
when you
went away from me

tears
I shed
as you
walked away for good

please
I begged
but you
never looked back

pain
hit me
as you
went on without me


Am I Rupi Kaur yet?

[Anonymous No.15252003]

>>15251997

That's just not true. That poem wouldn't even make sense as written by an 8 year old. What 8 year old would have experienced the loss of love, let alone put it to paper in such a boring and inexpressive way?

[Anonymous No.15252008]

>>15251989
The left is just a oddly formatted sentence.
>>15251997
No, it wouldn't. It already feels like it was written by a preteen "grieving" over a two-week long middle school relationship ending.

[Anonymous No.15252011]

ay bitch
i said
as you walked
down the street

ay you got
a phat ass

fuck you
anyway
bitch

[Anonymous No.15252019]

Rupi Kaur's style is based off of Ezra Pound and classical Chinese and Japanese poetry but applied to a modern theme. /lit/ is too pleb to realize that so they just criticize her because she became a meme. She might not be some poetry craft master but they are short and make you feel things.

[Anonymous No.15252028]

>>15252019
You cannot legitimately think that poems like the one you posted and OP are actually good. There’s nothing pleb about disliking bad poetry, no matter what it’s based on.

[Anonymous No.15252033]

>>15252019
that is absolute fucking twaddle. She's shite no matter what her influences are

[Anonymous No.15252034]

>>15252028
Art is subjective. I'm just saying people here aren't giving it a fair chance just because it became a meme to hate on her.

[Anonymous No.15252055]

>>15252019
Ezra isn't even that different

The girl in the tea shop
Is not so beautiful as she was,
The August has worn against her.
She does not get up the stairs so eagerly;
Yes, she also will turn middle-aged,
And the glow of youth that she spread about us
As she brought us our muffins
Will be spread about us no longer.
She also will turn middle-aged.

All the while they were talking the new morality
Her eyes explored me.
And when I arose to go
Her fingers were like the tissue
Of a Japanese paper napkin.

[Anonymous No.15252066]

>>15252019
>>15252034
>heh all of these plebs don't know that this is """based on""" X, Y, and Z (like that fucking matter, or even that is even true, like some poonigger liberal is going to consciously base her work on an admitted fascist and antisemite, or is learned enough to base it off of anything made pre-1900s).
>b-but art is Subjective™!
To give her a fair chance is to read her work at all and not (rightfully) throw it in the bin by being written by a pajeet and a woman.

[Anonymous No.15252080]

>>15250343
BASEEEDDDD

[Anonymous No.15252094]

>>15252019
>make you feel things.

Really? You might be a simpleton if "stay, I whispered as you shut the door behind you" evokes emotion in you. Are you perhaps a lower class person? What level of education did you enjoy and how much money did your parents make?

[Anonymous No.15252100]

>>15252034
>Art is subjective

Yes and this is subjectively shit

You really can't see that its bad, and think we hate on it just "because of a meme"?

[Anonymous No.15252101]

>>15252034
I don't frequent /lit/ and this is the first time I've encountered her work here. I still think her work is a paragon of ineffective minimalism in modern free verse. The hideous scrawls only punctuate this desire to find truth in simplicity.
And truth she finds, banal and trite.
>>15252055
I've never read any of Pound's work but:
>gone is the grotesque minimalism
>a clear and consistent juxtaposition between two qualities of youth: ephemerality (explicit), and glamour (the metaphorical framework)

[Anonymous No.15252146]

>>15248792
I can smell the roast off the left one
the one in the right is a genuine masterpiece, 21st century poetry has reached its conclusion

[Anonymous No.15252176]

>>15248792
Nael will lead legions of men across the Rio Grande till he reaches Tierra del Fuego.

[Anonymous No.15252193]

>>15248792
wait, so I can just put "by 6yr old" in my poem and it will become a viral sensation praised by /lit/?

[Anonymous No.15252215]

>>15252193
As if you could write anything nearly as good.

[Anonymous No.15252220]

The Tiger is one of the best poems of human history, even centuries from now people will be discussing the tiger.

The
>The Tiger is out
part of the poem implies that once he is out nothing will ever be the same again, it's so liberating. I can visualize the tiger breaking out of it's cage.

It's so nice to read, it's invigorating

[Anonymous No.15252244]

>>15252193
Whoa that projection. I mean, I wasn't that creative in school either anon but come on.

[Anonymous No.15252245]

>>15248792
The tiger is not for reality TV
The tiger cannot be ridden

[Anonymous No.15252246]

>>15252245
You can't even let the tiger out
He comes out when he wants to

[Anonymous No.15252279]

>>15252245
>>15252246

[Anonymous No.15252291]

>>15252279

>you'r

[Anonymous No.15252312]

>>15250343
Pillar+Base


Put me
On
the
SCREENCAP !

[Anonymous No.15252315]

How long has this shit been a meme and when will it finally die

[Anonymous No.15252316]

I wrote a small poem about my old cats in Chinese

三只猫
一只太肥
也一只好美
一只一点累
但他们都是好可爱

[Anonymous No.15252325]

>>15252315

>I can't like things when other people also like them

[Anonymous No.15252338]

>>15251960
Daily reminder that in other societies adults might be superior to children, but in our society they aren't

[Anonymous No.15252343]

>>15252066
Based

[Anonymous No.15252374]

>>15248818
>breaking free on your own, independence and self reliance are less emotional than a roastie getting no way fagged
W*men were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.15252425]

I highly recommend you guys check out children's poetry collections. I recently stumbled across an exhibition of the stuff, and it's really, really good. Children have a level of authenticity that we lose as adults.

[Anonymous No.15252437]

>>15252034
>Art is subjective.
Literal retard. If it was then why do you speak in terms as if it’s objective?

[Anonymous No.15252451]

>>15250048
wow

[Anonymous No.15252462]

>>15252019
>>15252028
>Ezra Pound
>During World War II, he was paid by the Italian government to make hundreds of radio broadcasts criticizing the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Jews, as a result of which he was arrested in 1945 by American forces in Italy on charges of treason. He spent months in detention in a U.S. military camp in Pisa, including three weeks in a 6-by-6-foot (1.8 by 1.8 m) outdoor steel cage, which he said triggered a mental breakdown: "when the raft broke and the waters went over me". The following year he was deemed unfit to stand trial, and incarcerated in St. Elizabeths psychiatric hospital in Washington, D.C., for over 12 years.

[Anonymous No.15252498]

Imagine thinking the emotions on the left are any better than those on the right.
>>15251960
>serotonin good
>adrenaline bad
Not even those wojak edits can convey my disdain for this type of thinking.

[Anonymous No.15252854]

>>15252374
You are unfree, that's why it's appealing to you. The sentimentality you abhor in the other poem is a more mature position. Have sex

[Anonymous No.15252894]

>>15250048
powerful.

[Anonymous No.15252902]

>>15251896
I don't get it
A 9 year old filtered me

[Anonymous No.15252921]

>>15250343
BASED

[Anonymous No.15252938]

>>15249133
Couldn't it just have been a happy accident? It seems weird that a 6yo would come up with this when my 7yo twin brothers are still role-playing baby kitten and puppy dog cwuddles and fwights.

[Anonymous No.15252942]

Kaur is just Bukowski for the Tumblr/Twitter crowd, spitting out undecorated aphorisms under the pretense that it's poetry. Take any "woke" tweet or Tumblr post and enjamb it seemingly at random and you have yourself a Rupi Kaur poem.

[Anonymous No.15252965]

>>15252245
This is worse.

[Anonymous No.15252982]

>>15251960
You have a low intelligence but you believe yourself to have a high intelligence.

[Anonymous No.15253002]

>>15252315
The Tiger is a genuine masterpiece of verse and it is unironically not a meme.

[Anonymous No.15253024]

>>15252316
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15253125]

>>15252019
this is awful poetry

[Anonymous No.15253140]

>>15248818
>It's not about the complexity of the content.
This is true in terms of "real art".
>It's about what emotions it evokes.
This isn't, the fake catharsis is what makes it pleb, the complexity is redundant. Sometimes art is simple.

[Anonymous No.15253148]

>>15252982
It's the opposite actually. Are you a 6yo?

[Anonymous No.15253173]

>>15251886
Am I retarded if I think this is really good?

[Anonymous No.15253189]

>it's by the feminist I hate
>it's sentimental and unfit for real men like myself
>the kid is genius
>Hurrr memes
>EDGE
You are worse than the teen girls. Kys plebs.
>>15250343
Pleb with an English degree. I can smell your kind from here

[Anonymous No.15253203]

>>15253173
The leaf part in lines 6-8 ruins it. Otherwise it's excellent and the line with Mom very moving

[Anonymous No.15253204]

[Anonymous No.15253231]

>>15253203
Her nonchalant reaction of "OK" and continued focus on the leaves is necessary for lines 4, 5 and 9 to be as great as they are though.

[Anonymous No.15253338]

>>15250259
I shed tears reading this for what its worth. Based and blisspilled friend.

[Anonymous No.15253362]

>>15253148
You have a low intelligence but believe yourself to have a high intelligence.

[Anonymous No.15253367]

>>15250343
Holy based

[Anonymous No.15253378]

>>15253362
It's the opposite actually. Are you a 6yo?

[Anonymous No.15253388]

>>15251235
Okay thanks

[Anonymous No.15253406]

>>15248792
>Yes
>YES
Is by far the best part

[Anonymous No.15253411]

>>15250343
Nice

[Anonymous No.15253461]

>>15248792
FUCK the tiger poem always gets me it's just perfect

[Anonymous No.15253470]

>>15250343
Beautiful. This post is Academia in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.15253472]

>>15251886
What book is this from? I'm seriously considering getting this. It might be interesting.

[Anonymous No.15253502]

>>15249769
Same. It made me understand poetry.

[Anonymous No.15253527]

>>15251886
Wtf is with all these kids writing such good poetry? It shouldn't be the case.

[Anonymous No.15253544]

>>15251960
spoken a true bugman. i passionately hate your breed.

[Anonymous No.15253545]

>>15251896

[Anonymous No.15253552]

>>15248792
It's a poem about the times we're living in.

[Anonymous No.15253564]

>>15253544
Triggerred?

[Anonymous No.15253644]

Greatest poetry I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.15253651]

>>15251896
Damn this is incredible.

[Anonymous No.15253660]

>>15248792
Absolutely based and redpilled poem.

[Anonymous No.15253665]

>>15253644
woah
truly made
me think

[Anonymous No.15253677]

>>15253644
Haters can't critique this because they don't know how an orgasm feels lmao

[Anonymous No.15253686]

Desi body flat
smelly ew and extra smelly
sometimes we call them poo
Poo people

RUPI brap and Desi butt big yummy mommy
Big and brown teacher butt yes please mommy desi

[Anonymous No.15253691]

>>15253644
>COOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.15253697]

>>15251886
>>15251896
These are some really clever little fuckers.

[Anonymous No.15253718]

>>15253644
>>15253677
w*men orgasm is a jewish meme. it's not real.

[Anonymous No.15253775]

>>15253203
>Mom, do you see me?
>Yes, but I don't want to.
>I wonder why?
>Oh well, kids don't know everything.
Hmm, it's okay but I like the leaf version better.

[Anonymous No.15253836]

>>15248792
>who is a better poet: a millionaire shilled by the (((publishing industry))) constantly, or a random 6 year old?
the absolute STATE
>>15251751
>doesn't communicate anything
roofie kawhore:
>waaaah my bf dumped me for being a cunt
random 6 year old:
>On freedom: it is my firm belief that all men are capable of shedding the shakels, metaphysical and physical, which bind them, and it is not only the right but the duty of any caged beast to regain his freedom in alignment with the shared values of mankind as a free and sentient creature burdened with both hope for a better future and knowledge of his own potential

You could write entire essays on The Tiger. You could write a religion around it. Hell, The Tiger is nothing but a distilled version of Sredni Vashtar, despite my knowing this kid has certainly never read it. Roofie Kawhore? the equivalent of a sad text message you probably shouldn't have sent for TMI to a friend who doesnt give a fuck.

IT IS NOT ONLY THE RIGHT, BUT THE DUTY, OF ANY SOVEREIGN MAN TO FREE HIMSELF OF HIS SHAKELS.

[Anonymous No.15253847]

>>15250343
at last i truly see

[Anonymous No.15253872]

>>15253775
I would maybe remove the "OK". The more I read it the more I'm blown away. The leaf part is her dissociating from being neglected and unseen.

[Anonymous No.15253883]

>>15253836
Only slaves value freedom

[Anonymous No.15253890]

>>15253189
>it's by the feminist I hate
Its by an awful poet, thats what matters.
>it's sentimental and unfit for real men like myself
Its sentimental in the most superficial way, it doesnt evoke any real emotion.
>the kid is genius
Yeah
>Hurrr memes
Memes on 4chan? Unbelievable.
>EDGE
What are you trying to say? Whats edgy about liking a childs poem more than the one of some hack?

[Anonymous No.15253905]

>>15250343
Kino. Anon i want you to critique my retard-tier photography project, so i can sell it midwits.

[Anonymous No.15253924]

>>15253644
>boring structure
>comparisons and metaphors everybody uses
>has nearly nothing to say

[Anonymous No.15253938]

Is Nael an Evolian superfascist?

[Anonymous No.15253961]

>>15253890
The child literally imagined a tiger breaking free from the cage and that's it. It's like me taking a shit and you examining it and praising my product for its allusions to man's soul on capitalism or something

[Anonymous No.15254243]

>>15248792

[Anonymous No.15254282]

>>15248830
awww, he figured it out.

[Anonymous No.15254438]

>>15248818
The only emotion i get from Rupi Kaur is diarrhea. Nael, on the other hand, gives me a primordial sense of terror, as if there were an actual tiger stalking me.

[Anonymous No.15254491]

>>15254438
>lion.webm

[Anonymous No.15254578]

>>15253189
>>15253961
you have zero artistic faculty

[Anonymous No.15254628]

>>15254578
It's ok anon you are accepted by your internet friends.

[Anonymous No.15254646]

>>15248792
Pretty based for a 6 year old

[Anonymous No.15254695]

>>15252316
This style feels less pretentious in Chinese than it does in English for whatever reason. Maybe the language is more suited for it.

I don't like how the last character doesn't rhyme though. Also it should probably be 它们 and I'd drop the last 是; it doesn't flow well and it's extraneous imo. I like the assonance with 但 and 他 though, so the omission of 是 there is nice.

[Anonymous No.15254743]

>>15250343
epic post.

[Anonymous No.15254800]

>>15254243
Based

[Anonymous No.15254830]

>>15248792
This nigga Nael is channelling both Blake AND Bataille vibes. Good shit. Got me pumped

[Anonymous No.15254831]

>>15251235

The weakness of rupi's poem is suggested by the ambiguity of the last line -- the departing lover could still be *in* the room. But the ambiguity appears inadvertent -- a product of sloppy writing rather than authorial intent.

[Anonymous No.15254885]

>>15252246
That's a great title and a beautiful cover.

Who will write the book?

[Anonymous No.15254894]

someone from my facebook feed posted this. he was over 20 years old.

[Anonymous No.15254913]

>>15254894
>I want to fuck but I decided to hide it under the abstraction of love and illiteracy

[Anonymous No.15254926]

>>15250259
Well said.

[Anonymous No.15254952]

Poetry is dead

[Anonymous No.15255031]

>>15254438

Slurp
SLURP

[Anonymous No.15255074]

>>15254952
If you let it be.

[Anonymous No.15255098]

>>15254438

[Anonymous No.15255141]

>>15250343
Holy mother of based.
/thread

[Anonymous No.15255153]

I don't feel anything when reading rupi's poems, desu. They just kind of read like artificially stilted writing that states matter of facts. I'm not into prosody of any shape or form, though. Yet I do get a little bit of exhilaration from reading the kid's poem. I receive strong visual and a clear mental image of not only space, but of the acceleration and velocity of things in that space. That's pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.15255154]

>>15255098
I miss schlop posting

[Anonymous No.15255162]

>>15249773
It is a pathetic whine sob story while the 6 year old wrote something more exciting and even can be taken as liberating - the tiger is out, no longer caged. By contrast it has some sense of rhythm, for lack of a better term.
Rupi on the other hand is that fat whiny woman that cries like a baby each time she doesn't get her ice-cream, that will write her whines that she gets on her period and then splits it into multiple pieces. It affirms a pathetic state of being and the sense of victim-hood, childish dependence and innocence. Not a surprise. That is the polar opposite to that of man which reeks of elitism.

[Anonymous No.15255329]

>>15255098
schlop schlop schlop

[Anonymous No.15255359]

>>15255329
>Schlop schlop schlop PRÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖH.webm

[Anonymous No.15255376]

>>15255154
The best was when someone merged the pic of the pufferfish spittign water with the dog drinking it. It really peaked with that synthesis; it couldn't go any further

[Anonymous No.15255687]

>>15248792
Ride the Tiger

[Anonymous No.15256080]

>>15253502
Now that I think of it, The Tiger is perhaps the best poem to start with.

[Anonymous No.15256163]

>>15251886
She doesn't have a healthy relationship with her mother.

[Anonymous No.15256165]

Anyone got the poem of the little girl with "oh well, little girls dont understand everything" or something like that?
It's on Nael's level imho

[Anonymous No.15256177]

>>15251960
Kek

[Anonymous No.15256199]

>>15250343
This is incredible

[Anonymous No.15256202]

>>15248792
Bruh

[Anonymous No.15256336]

>>15252316
holy fucking cringe I hate I can read it

[Anonymous No.15256447]

>>15248792
Nael = soul
Rupi = soulless

[Anonymous No.15256472]

>>15248792
>yes
>YES
soul

>i
soulless

[Anonymous No.15256504]

>>15251886
can someone break this down for me? my interpretation is that her mother is absent somehow, "kids don't know everything" sounds like something her said at one point.

[Anonymous No.15256512]

>>15252854
both poems are literally about freedom and imprisonment though. One is reveling in imprisonment, and the other is celebrating freedom. Nael age 6 is infinitely more mature than Poopi Kaur age 30 and childless

[Anonymous No.15256538]

>>15253644
Honestly this is one of her less terrible poems. It would be a decent line for example in a longer story. Presenting it as a complete work of art, however, is just pretentious. Also the drawing is fucking godawful.

[Anonymous No.15256549]

>>15250343
>No, it isn't.

>In order to emphasize the intended emotions, Kaur has resorted to the extra-poetic insertion of a drawing upon the page, thus inadvertently revealing that her verse is unable to stand on its own, shall we say, "feet".

>Meanwhile, Nigel has had the intuition of simply using majuscules in order to achieve the same effect, thus showing that the verbal has a similar capacity to the visual, just as long as you are able to explore its (the verbal's) contrasts of size, disposition on the page, and so on. Clearly, we see a young poet who's wisely following the tradition of Mallarmé and the Brazilian concretists - while at the same time applying their formal discoveries to a mixture of the visual world of William Blake with the philosophical developments of the existentialist tradition.

>Yet many will ask me: how is it so? Well, my dear, if you read the poem very closely, you can see that the majuscules not only achieve the aforementioned affect, as they also depict the evolution of phenomenalist discovery, as the tiger suddenly sees the world around him enlarge in the space of a single second, bringing him freedom. Here, it's useful to point out the contrast between the rational - the minuscules - which represent the tiger in the act - the techne even - of breaking up his cage; and the irrational - the majuscules - which represent the tiger in the "realization" (in both the English and the Romance sense of the word) of freedom.

>However, freedom from constraint entails an obligation towards action (remember that, thanatos excepted, inaction itself is action). And this is why, at the final line, we come back to the minuscules.

>So what does this mean? Why is rationality back in the game? What has happened to the irrational realization of freedom? Pay attention to the words:

>"The tiger is out".

>Here we see the ambiguity of poetry reaching to one single truth: either the tiger is out in the sense that he is physically free; or else he's out in the sense that he is over, in the sense that he has transformed himself into another individual altogether due to his new state of being. And yet, in both cases (the poem does not let us determine which one is which, and there might be - there probably is - a heavy relationship between one and the other), what do we have left? The indecision of the free.

>What will the tiger do now? Well, you see, it is a Buridan-like situation, bringing us to a stop which cannot be transposed by irrationality, but merely stated and lamented by reason. And the genius of the poet is in the fact that this sorry situation is represented graphically (another hommage to Mallarmé and the concretists) by the simple lack of a final point.

>Yes, my friends: in life, as in all other enterprises, there is no "where" to the final point! We go on in our dream of reason incessantly, signifying nothing, and it's only when the cages have finally broken that we meet the Eye of God (oh, Mallarmé!): an empty page

[Anonymous No.15256551]

>>15254243
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.15256587]

>>15251886

[Anonymous No.15256609]

>>15256504
her mother clearly beats her and verbally abuses her, its just framed through seasonal, natural imagery

[Anonymous No.15256612]

>>15256512
Roopi has correctly understood that there's no freedom outside the other. Nael, being a kid, imagines eternal bliss as being able to eat candy and watch cartoons all day.
Roopi has realized the adult reality of incompleteness and lack of the other. Nael is still a quasi autistic schizo (it's all right, all kids are). Identifying with Nael is disconcerting

[Anonymous No.15256617]

>>15253677
I've cum a whole bunch but I don't think it's ever felt like ice cubes sliding down my back. In fact, I can say for certain that I've never jumped in discomfort, desperately flipping my arms around under my shirt trying to dislodge an orgasm before. I usually just wipe it up with a sock.

[Anonymous No.15256620]

>>15256612
>to eat candy
tigers don't eat candy

>Identifying with Nael is disconcerting
using the word disconcerting is gay

[Anonymous No.15256655]

>>15256609
>it hits me back
now i see it. damn that shit sucks

[Anonymous No.15256658]

>>15248792
The rupi kaur poem is pretentious and cringe. It does not evoke me any emotion. Meanwhile, the chad Nael gave me a sensation of freedom and relief with The Tiger. A majestic beast trapped in a cage and fighting for his own freedom. The satisfaction that I feel when the tiger is free is comparable when a slave breaks his own chain and rebel against his master. Truly a fight for freedom and liberty. The beast is not longer controlled by the man, but himself. Released from the cage and being able to be in control of himself is truly inspiring.

[Anonymous No.15256696]

>>15256609
>>15256655
It's incredibly affecting. The resignation at the end hits very hard. Poor kid.

[Anonymous No.15256750]

>>15252019

[Anonymous No.15256788]

>>15256609
...shit

[Anonymous No.15256840]

>>15251886
>Leaves
>Leaves are falling from the sky.
>I pick one up.
>I look at it.
>Mom, do you see me?
>Yes, but I don't want to.
>OK. I blow on the leaf
>And it hits me back.
>I wonder why?
>Oh well, kids don't know everything.

[Anonymous No.15257123]

>>15252425
Do you have any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.15257253]

>>15251886
>>15256609
>the leaf hitting her back represents her mother
I didn't expect to feel so hard in this thread.

[Anonymous No.15257324]

>>15257253
Also her mother doesn't even want to see her and cancels the kid's chance of realizing what is going on with her authority argument (you are a kid you don't understand).

[Anonymous No.15257489]

>>15248830
Sheiit bro, how did I never think of this?

[Anonymous No.15257551]

>>15250343
No man can refute this.

[Anonymous No.15257566]

>>15251886

[Anonymous No.15257861]

>>15257551
And yet, it doesn't say everything that could be said -- about the rhythm of the words, and the verb tenses, for example. That said, it's an excellent commentary indeed.

[Anonymous No.15257871]

>>15248792
I unironically say The Tiger is better than that EE cummings wannabe on the left

[Anonymous No.15258009]

>>15250343
Yes
YES

[Anonymous No.15258051]

>>15258009
I'm surprised no one picked up on the obvious sexual connotations of this orgasmic cry

[Anonymous No.15258652]

>>15251886
I can't believe people are just now realizing this poem represents children abuse.

It could also represent child rape as well.

[Anonymous No.15258673]

>>15251886

[Anonymous No.15258704]

>>15258652
Was that the intention of the author though? Do 7 year olds have the ability and cognition to be able to craft metaphors like that?

[Anonymous No.15258718]

>>15258704
Oh, absolutely. Without a doubt.

It was probably a scream for help. Ironically, instead of calling the cops on his parents, the school probably congratulated him. You'd be surprised how many childhood prodigies are really just young, nubile boys getting their butts fucked every night and are just screaming for help amidst society, without actually explicitly saying anything because their father has threatened they'll beat his mother if he says anything.

Most likely that's what's going on with this poem... still a very sweet poem though.

[Anonymous No.15258768]

>>15248792
Can anyone explain this meme? Who is this kid and why is his poem famous?

[Anonymous No.15258776]

>>15251886
I have never actually felt such visceral sadness from a poem

[Anonymous No.15258779]

>>15258768
He famously has more talent than Rupi Kaur.

[Anonymous No.15258876]

>>15258768
Nael scholar here. Nael is the best poet of his generation.

[Anonymous No.15258917]

The gorilla
he ripped the head
off
OFF
the gorilla is ROARING

[Anonymous No.15258920]

>>15258768
Because it's the best poem of the century, that's why

[Anonymous No.15258929]

>>15251886
I really hope this girl wasn’t being abused

[Anonymous No.15258963]

>>15258718
*her

[Anonymous No.15259011]

>Yes
>YES

[Anonymous No.15259016]

>Into my little bag I put the watch
>that I bought in Aleppo
>I'll keep track of time
>until I return to you
>Aleppo

[Anonymous No.15259075]

>>15248792
Is Nael the William Blake of our times?

[Anonymous No.15259108]

>>15250343
by jove

[Anonymous No.15259119]

>>15248792
Anons, I think I found I picture of Nael

[Anonymous No.15259129]

Anons, I think I found a picture of Nael

[Anonymous No.15259273]

The Tiger is a great poem. But I wonder to what extent its greatness comes from Nael, age 6's actual superior talent. Kids don't know what they're doing, have not read very many poems, and thus have no clue what makes one "good" or "bad". If a six year old writes a good poem, its got to be an "accident". The things we might praise his poem for, such as it's evocative yet terse language, didn't ever pass through Nael's mind. He just wrote a poem.

But now I wonder if this is exactly why Nael is such a good poet, and us adults are all so bad. I like how OP contrasts it with Rupi Kaur. Side by side they tell us something important about poetry

[Anonymous No.15259335]

>ITT retards overanalyzing poems by children

[Anonymous No.15259372]

>>15259016
Love this one

[Anonymous No.15259379]

>>15259273
we put too much thought into our writings as adults; we read too much inbetween the lines.

Children just act on their emotions, they take things at face value. Sometimes thats a good thing.

[Anonymous No.15259382]

>>15259273
Children are based, I want to be one.

[Anonymous No.15259393]

>>15259379
>>15259382
>>15259273
Children cognitively craft metaphors, something adults do less over time.

We have no proof Herman Melville was not a nine-year old boy from Massachusetts.

[Anonymous No.15259401]

Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[Anonymous No.15259405]

I liked both. These poems are obviously cherry picked though.

[Anonymous No.15259446]

>>15251820
Mothers were the power voting base for the NSDAP, yes.

[Anonymous No.15260344]

I always thought that:
"Yes
YES
The Tiger is free"

Would have been much better.

[Anonymous No.15260369]

>>15260344
No
NO
Free evokes the ideas of passive triumph. “I was a slave now I’m free”. The tiger is out sounds more foreboding. The narrator is happy but it doesn’t suggest something happy like freedom, out suggests danger, revenge.

[Anonymous No.15260389]

>>15260369
Perhaps. But 'free' has negative connotations as well. You are 'free' to suffer, 'free' to diminish, etc. Freedom is not always positive.

[Anonymous No.15260392]

>Nael, whose last name is being withheld upon request, is taking his newfound notoriety in stride. The D.C.-based third grader said he wrote about tigers at the time because they made him happy. “Super happy” is the feeling he describes knowing that his poem has reached so many readers around the world.
What a Chad

[Anonymous No.15260398]

>>15253552
if those goofy ass crackers march with torches again, i'mm gonna get a firehose that shoots petrol

[Anonymous No.15260403]

>>15260398
>yeah imma burn whitey up
>*fire slides into the hose, exploding in your hands*
>shieeeeet

[Anonymous No.15260405]

>>15250343

[Anonymous No.15260410]

>>15260389
But not in the context of escaping a cage. It’s not open about hedonism or human tragedy.
Out is better for the tiger.

[Anonymous No.15260412]

>>15260410
A poem* not open

[Anonymous No.15260419]

>>15254438
I'm not afraid of the tiger. I'm excited for him! He is now free!

[Anonymous No.15260444]

>>15250343
put me in the screencap

[Anonymous No.15260445]

>>15251895
depends on your point of view. I agree though.

[Anonymous No.15260449]

>>15251886
Damn, Children are natural poets as Homer.

[Anonymous No.15260459]

>>15250651
maybe for artistic prose, but writing in a way that conveys ideas well and is easy to follow is a completely different thing.

[Anonymous No.15260466]

>>15248792
Modern poetry is fucking trash

[Anonymous No.15260533]

>>15253961
he chose the perfect words and rhythm to describe that idea. Also you should ask yourself why that image appealed to him in the first place, just because the child doesn't know the word "metaphor" it doesn't mean he doesn't understand the concept.

[Anonymous No.15260553]

>>15253938
He's a super-Evolian, he is to Evola what Evola is to fascism

[Anonymous No.15260663]

>>15260533
Because that's what on every little boy's mind, to be free to play his vidya and watch cartoons. It's a primitive and autistic notion of freedom. It reminds me of the ending of "The Graduate" where the protagonists free themselves but realize that's not what they wanted in the first place.
Compare "Tiger" with "Leaves" . The little girl is a much more dramatic character because she has realized we are condemned to be related to others.

[Anonymous No.15260681]

>>15260663
Leaves is about child abuse. It's a great poem.
What about the Tiger? You cannot understand it if you're not a true brahmin or a Kshatriya

[Anonymous No.15261343]

>>15259273
i'm not saying it's the case here, but some 6 years old children are smart and wise (in a way) as fuck.

[Anonymous No.15261440]

>>15249760
this.

[Anonymous No.15261465]

>>15253189
shut the fuck up jesus christ

[Anonymous No.15261547]

>>15250343
My God...

[Anonymous No.15261667]

>>15250343

[Anonymous No.15261677]

>>15255376
>It really peaked with that synthesis; it couldn't go any further
Wait... no, wait... hang on... no... wait...

That would make a puffer fish spitting water that a dog then schlops the fully manifest spirit of the age.

[Anonymous No.15261844]

>>15255376
here you go anon

[Q No.15262124]

>>15260663
She is condemned to be related to others because she chose to do so. The tiger is about a sudden rush of a liberation(“yes YES”) it’s the sensation of knowing that you have successfully enacted the steps to imposing your will to power. Nael is a ubermensch the female poets are npcs

[Anonymous No.15262167]

>>15259016
>>15257123
Oh wow, this is a translation of a poem I found at an exhibition of children's poetry like a year ago. It's written by children that fled from war-torn countries, primarily Syria. I'm
>>15252425
by the way. The exhibition had their poems painted over the walls, there's also a book with the collected poems. Unfortunately I can't seem to find a copy online, but I found a paper on it, so here's some more translations. The Aleppo one is definitely my favorite though.

War eats apples. Vases, flowers, paper.
Eats girls and boys too.
Now war stomps his foot. He's angry.
-Zainab Hamdoun, 10 years old

Peace dove, why do you hide?
We need you.
Endure for my sake.
Me and you against the war.
-Tala Abrezj, 13 years old

A refugee is like the tree in our garden.
I pulled it from the ground
to plant it in our neighbors garden.
But it died.
-???

[Anonymous No.15262253]

>>15250343

[Anonymous No.15262323]

>>15262167
The last one is my favorite

[Anonymous No.15262331]

>>15258718
what the fuck is wrong with you

[Anonymous No.15262376]

>>15252425
I speculate that it's because kids are closer to a primal sensation of life and its mystery than the adult. Theirs is a world where imagination, dream and reality are shaded and indistinct. They have freshly emerged into the perception of a molten cosmology of unformed concepts and cloudy categories. Their minds float on top of an abyss of unknowing and they make sense of the world only through direct, unreflected intuitions that seem to pop, untethered, out from nowhere.

[Anonymous No.15262773]

>>15262253
Imagine believing you're an adult and making this shit.

[Anonymous No.15262874]

>>15261844
𒀭𒋾𒊩𒆳 teotl 𒍪 𒀊 道-sein κυνικός

I guess philosophy is complete and the human species can happily go extinct now.

[Anonymous No.15262963]

>>15250343
Ten thousand words to describe a 10 word poem, yet humanities majors still think they'll get a job when they graduate.

You should've put at the bottom

1/10

[Anonymous No.15263159]

>>15248792

Where is Nael now?

[Anonymous No.15263235]

>>15256612
>no freedom outside the other
spoken like a good slave

[Anonymous No.15264119]

>>15248792
I’m not letting this thread die

[Anonymous No.15264183]

>>15252938
Differences in parenting. Kids need to be intellectually stimulated. While what your brothers are doing is cute and fun, there are better cute and fun activities that would elevate their mind

[Anonymous No.15264191]

>>15263159
I want Nael to meet Stefany

[Anonymous No.15264781]

>>15252001
You're using stronger line breaks than she is. Also you need a rough sketch of a twat or a watermelon.

[Anonymous No.15264878]

>>15263235
You will understand when you grow up kid.

[Anonymous No.15264894]

>>15250469
this perfectly articulates the problem with rupi and authors like her.

[Anonymous No.15264909]

>>15250343
unfathomably based

[Anonymous No.15265018]

It really isnt great. Switch the names around and youd be praising the Rupi poem out of contrarianism

[Anonymous No.15265061]

>>15254438
You're not supposed to fear the tiger, anon.
You are the tiger.

[Anonymous No.15265075]

>>15265018
... no

[Anonymous No.15265102]

>all these people getting triggered by a meme

[Anonymous No.15265135]

>>15252245
>>15252246
The art isn't bad, but it still distracts from the poem and worsens the experience.

[Anonymous No.15265175]

>>15256612
Cringe. You are trying way too hard

[Anonymous No.15265218]

This is better than Joyce. And yes im 100% serious

[Anonymous No.15265254]

>>15253203
Leaf version is better. She blows on the leaf trying to influence the world around her, but then gets hit for her troubles. Makes the resigned ending hit harder. Imho

[Anonymous No.15265279]

>>15252019
really makes you think that someone draw an image next to her "poetry" in order to manipulate the viewer thinking the text is "beautiful" and "profound", no different than your average Mcdonald´s Arthouse of the present day

[Anonymous No.15265332]

>>15255098
kek “have a 4chan”

[Anonymous No.15265336]

>>15265279

[Anonymous No.15265346]

>>15265336
what´s your point?

[Anonymous No.15265394]

>>15265018
The board is a circlejerk of edgy 2educated4u name-dropping undergraduates. Case in point >>15250343

[Anonymous No.15265455]

>>15258704
I don’t think the author’s intentions are necessarily relevant. In the tiger, for example, maybe Nael just thought tigers were cool and destroying things is also cool, but to many people ITT it obviously means so much more. True works of genius and inspiration can take on a life of their own. Intuition is a powerful force that doesn’t need to have conscious understanding.

[Anonymous No.15265512]

>>15265455
But then it isn't praiseworthy. If the impact relies more on my allusions then it's more on my part and less on the poem's, no?

[Anonymous No.15265514]

>>15262253
Darts wasted.

[Anonymous No.15265525]

>>15251820
based

[Anonymous No.15265582]

>>15265512
The poem still gave you those allusions and it should be praised for that. It makes no sense to me to deny someone’s accomplishments because they didn’t have the right intentions when starting out.

[Anonymous No.15265811]

Thing

A thing

A thing a

Do do

[Anonymous No.15265882]

>>15265279
Id agree with you normally but
>>15252245
this is fucking next level

[Anonymous No.15265913]

Nobody would know or care about who Rupi Kaur is if she wasn't a brown woman.

[Anonymous No.15265916]

[Anonymous No.15265918]

>>15265913
And John Green?

[Anonymous No.15265943]

>>15265918
people only care about him if they read his shitty books as tweens

[Anonymous No.15265950]

>>15265943
He's not a brown woman though so according to your theory he shouldn't be popular

[Anonymous No.15265976]

>>15265950
I'm not the guy who posted the Rupi Kaur thing, but why do you think that his theory and the popularity of John Green have anything to do with each other?
John Green writes shitty books for kids, and kids like them
Rupi Kaur writes shitty poetry and people 'like' it because she fits a double minority spot and they can be woke by liking her
both write shit, both are known still anyways for different reasons

[Anonymous No.15266007]

>>15265976
Read this comment
>>15265913

[Anonymous No.15266017]

>>15266007
I did

[Anonymous No.15266022]

>>15248792
Damn that Tiger poem actually hits hard. I wish I had that kind of talent. Nael is a name we will have to look out for in the literary scene

[Anonymous No.15266029]

>>15266017
It means your ethnicity doesn't really matter and that white men are still typically the most popular writers

[Anonymous No.15266131]

Easily better than anything anyone from /lit/ has written