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[Anonymous No.15240043]

Did they actually fuck kids?

[Anonymous No.15240047]

No, just blow jobs

[eris !!L/ZXSJdFH9p No.15240053]

>>15240043
no they consensually loved them.

[Anonymous No.15240070]

>>15240043
No, young men.

[Anonymous No.15240076]

Yes, as did Goethe (at least he discussed his attraction to young boys). It seems that the artistic genius makes a man appreciate life in a different way, giving the genius and the common man an entirely different worldview. I believe this is also why Pound was so hateful yet so brilliant, simply because his mind wasn't adapted for the usual routine and rushed to extremes.

[Anonymous No.15240081]

holy shit socrates looked like fucking shrek

[Anonymous No.15240084]

The age of consent was 3, they were in the right

[Anonymous No.15240131]

There’s actually a recorded incident of Plato and Socrates spit-roasting a toddler.

[Anonymous No.15240135]

>>15240131
>socrates
poor kid

[Anonymous No.15240170]

>>15240081
He is likened to a satyr in one dialogue.

[Anonymous No.15240266]

>>15240043
if i was a kid i would like to be with aristotle
he cute /bros/

[Anonymous No.15240321]

They were all against Sodomy and considered non-procreational sex an abomination to the natural order. They were not the dirty Greek masses of their era. In fact, they were hated by them badly enough that they put Socrates to death.

[Anonymous No.15240413]

>>15240043
there is a scene with alcibides and socrates in which alcibides tries to seduce him. He stays the night and nothing sexual happens despite his desire. he described it as sleeping in the same bed as his father

[Anonymous No.15240436]

>>15240043
No, they just watched Glaucon do it.

[Anonymous No.15240444]

>>15240321
wasn't there a dialogue about socrates trying to seduce a preteen

[Anonymous No.15240447]

>>15240413
>alcibides
why was he so gay?

[Anonymous No.15240454]

>>15240447
he was a bisexual ashton kutcher

[Anonymous No.15240458]

>>15240444
no. it's reversed. the pre-teen is seducing him.

[Anonymous No.15240504]

>>15240444
near every dialogue makes reference to the pursuit of lovely young boys

[Anonymous No.15240561]

>>15240444
Symposium dpes have pro-pederast speeches though they don't come from Socrates. The Laws which doesn't have Socrates' character at all is much more clear in its denouncing of pederastry.

[Anonymous No.15240578]

>>15240447
Alcibiades was so manly all men looked feminine to him

[Anonymous No.15240592]

>>15240447
A little

[Anonymous No.15240603]

>>15240131
What the fuck no there wasn't

[Anonymous No.15240605]

>>15240603
retard

[Anonymous No.15240620]

>>15240592
damn no wonder greeks were so gay

[Anonymous No.15240642]

>>15240620
Alcibiades was like one of the most attractive men to ever live. He was attractive even among attractive people. He was so attractive he could convince men and women alike to give him money without doing anything. He also got into weird shenanigans. The real most interesting man in the world.

[Anonymous No.15240647]

>>15240592
>A fucking ABDL

[Anonymous No.15240656]

>>15240642
He convicted some of the Athenian elites to do what amounts to a coup d'état so they could pardon him from a dead sentence on the promise that, if they did so, maybe he would fuck then.
That's how hot the dude was.

[Anonymous No.15240666]

>>15240647
He also has a goat fetish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS5fXst1oP8

[Anonymous No.15240700]

>>15240666
>Satan trips
>Post about goats

[Anonymous No.15240707]

>>15240700
It is known

[Anonymous No.15240763]

>>15240642
And yet, he was a total fucking retard that got Athens defeated by Sparta, purely on his retarded naval decisions.

[Anonymous No.15240788]

>>15240763
Why do you think they put him as a commander? Hint: it’s wasn’t because of his mind....

[Anonymous No.15241889]

>>15240647
kek

[Anonymous No.15241911]

>>15240561
Diotima's speech advocates male female copulation as beautiful. And Symposium ends with Socrates, gentlemanly, telling Alcibiades to go and be a Homo somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.15242059]

>>15240131
the little guy never had a chance

[Anonymous No.15242097]

Nah it's a classic example of the problem of language. It evolves so people take the evolved meaning to be the same as what it once was.

No they didn't fuck kids nor were the Cynics cynics.

[Anonymous No.15242108]

>>15242097
Where the Sardinians sardonic?

[Anonymous No.15242223]

>>15240081
he ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, but at least he teaches school in the bed

[Anonymous No.15242301]

>>15240458
No, Alibiades 1 is Socrates trying to seduce Alcibiades. But Alcibiades is better remembered for his depiction in the Symposium, where Socrates is over it but Alcibiades is in love.
And in the Meno Socrates remarks that he has a weakness for handsome boys.

[Anonymous No.15242560]

>>15242108
in this case, yes

[Anonymous No.15242571]

>>15242560
Based

[Anonymous No.15242575]

>>15242301
Socrates has some pretty inconsistent characterization.

[Anonymous No.15242886]

>>15242575
So was Plato the pedo?

[Anonymous No.15243313]

>>15240043
When they refrenced pederastry they didn't mean kids by our own standarts. For the Athenians childhood lastet until you were 18 and from 18-20 was a training period they called "ephebeia" or teenagehood where they trained in the army to be men. Consensual relationships between men happened mostly between older teachers in their 30s-40s and younger boys somewhere between 16-25, and it was something that occured only on the middle and upper classes of big cities. But i think either in Phaedrus or Symposium there is mention that certain corrupted men were trying to seduce VERY young boys and that fathers should look out for them.

[Anonymous No.15243322]

>>15242301
>Alibiades 1 is Socrates trying to seduce Alcibiades

[Anonymous No.15243350]

Did they actually? Fuck kids.

[Anonymous No.15244738]

>>15240131
Yeah true I saw it