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[Anonymous No.15231038]

>Read genealogy of morals
>Find his views pretty based, but dont think too much about it
>Next day the concept of debtor/creditor starts to pop up on my mind
>The Day after I start seeing this nigga is right
>mfw morality is just a tool
>mfw its the only means of survival for faggots
>mfw all my life views are fucked beyond redemption

Fuck you Nietzsche you ruined my life

[Anonymous No.15231121]

>>15231038
Its over. Your mind will never be the same

[Anonymous No.15231203]

>>15231038
>Fuck you Nietzsche you ruined my life

Everything is all downhill from now OP

[Anonymous No.15231215]

Yes. You'll never be the same after Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.15231235]

>>15231038
Nietzsche always writes from the viewpoint of someone who has overcome this and managed to make it a strenght, but I'm sure he must have struggled with it. I wish he had written more on the process of overcoming it.

[Anonymous No.15231243]

>>15231038
Now you know that morality is just a tool, why not use it to your advantage like everyone else is doing?

[Anonymous No.15231255]

>>15231038
Yah, that happens when you just start off with nietzche and nothing else.

Primary cause for horrible self diluded faggotry.

[Anonymous No.15231258]

>>15231038
morality is a spook

[Anonymous No.15231267]

>>15231243
Just give me time my guy, Im still trying to process this lmao. I dont think Nietzsche would later use morality for his purposes so I think there is still a conclusion I must reach that doesnt make me an ultrapragmatic amoral asshole

[Anonymous No.15231272]

>>15231255
>Primary cause for horrible self diluded faggotry.

Refute him then

[Anonymous No.15231282]

>>15231038
t. 60-IQ pleb

[Anonymous No.15231297]

>>15231282
Try presenting an argument. If you're capable of that

[Anonymous No.15231358]

>>15231255
>>15231282

Cope harder, you know hes right in the end

[Anonymous No.15231417]

>>15231243
#metoo (but not with Biden)

[Anonymous No.15231466]

>>15231038
The ever enduring spamming of Nietzsche on lit is pretty damning evidence that this board is bresking 2 rules.

1. Pseuds
2. You have to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.15231469]

>>15231272
doesn't need to when his take indicates he's never actually read nietzsche

[Anonymous No.15231498]

Why is Reddit spamming /lit/ with Nietzsche threads?

[Anonymous No.15231520]

Reminder that Chesterton refuted Nietzsche and the only defense Neetch fans have is to babble that he's been misunderstood.

[Anonymous No.15232229]

>>15231520
>Chesterton
Any books in specific. I'd like to read along side neetsche.

[Anonymous No.15232259]

[Anonymous No.15232441]

>>15231520
>>15232259
plz give book

[Anonymous No.15233245]

>>15231520
>>15232259
>Chesterton

[Anonymous No.15233275]

>>15231038
Now read The Unique and Its Property by Max Stirner, Persuasion and Rhetoric by Carlo Michelstaedter and The Philosophy of Redemption by Philipp Mainländer. It's a hell of a ride.

[Anonymous No.15233316]

nietzsche is an interesting philosopher because he took dualist ontology to it's absolute limit, while still never becoming a proper monist. morals are necessary because you are god, and every time you hurt someone else you hurt yourself. any other viewpoint is misidentification of the self

[Anonymous No.15233962]

>>15231466
>The ever enduring spamming of Nietzsche on lit is pretty damning evidence that this board is bresking 2 rules.
There is most certainly not an ever enduring spamming of Nietzsche, if only there were - this board would be much better for it.
There are, however, a tremendous amount of pseuds who trash Nietzsche without having read him.

[Anonymous No.15234012]

>>15231038
Just wait till you understand Eternal Return desu.

[Anonymous No.15234034]

>>15234012
Eternal Return is a stupid overrated idea

[Anonymous No.15234039]

>>15231038
Morality is just signaling. People care more about showing that they care more than they actually care.

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2015/05/what-is-signaling.html

[Anonymous No.15234042]

>>15231038
Welcome to the light anon
Now read Max Stirner

[Anonymous No.15234047]

>>15231038
>Nietzsche you ruined my life
I think your up set for now, you will in time come to understand they ways of power

[Anonymous No.15234066]

>>15231038
"What then the conjunction of philosophical and historical argument reveals is that either one must follow through the aspirations and the collapse of the different versions of the Enlightenment project until there remains only the Nietzschean diagnosis and the Nietzschean problematic or one must hold that the Enlightenment project was not only mistaken, but should never have been commenced in the first place. There is no third alternative and more particularly there is no alternative provided by those thinkers at the heart of the contemporary conventional curriculum in moral philosophy, Hume, Kant and Mill. It is no wonder that the teaching of ethics is so often destructive and skeptical in its effects upon the minds of those taught."

Nietzsche wrote during a specific time when the shared context that gave moral statements meaning had fallen away, leaving only an empty husk in its wake. This situation continues today, which is why you feel that you understand the world around you better than before. If you accept that there are no alternative arrangements, then Nietzsche is correct. But if there is an alternative arrangement, if there is another way of organizing moral life such that all men in a given country have a shared basis upon which to distinguish right and wrong without the undue interference of their individual wills, then Nietzsche is wrong.

[Anonymous No.15234084]

>>15234039
so they can manipulate others for their own self interest (or will to power), and most of them arent even aware of that and never will, funny thing

[Anonymous No.15234150]

>>15231267
you like this book "Challenging Philosophy and the Philosophers: Explaining Nietzsche to Philosophical Academia"

The author has a very compelling take on nietzsches ideas

https://www.amazon.com/Challenging-Philosophy-Philosophers-Explaining-Philosophical-ebook/dp/B07XHP43KT

[Anonymous No.15234201]

>mfw morality is just a tool
>mfw its the only means of survival for faggots

>implying that you arent a faggot yourself

[Anonymous No.15234206]

>>15231038
It should be illegal to sell Nietzsche's books to the uneducated. Shit is far worse than heroine, causes waaay more damage to your brain.

[Anonymous No.15234214]

>>15231520
Based

>>15232229
>>15232441
>>15233245
Heretics and Orthodoxy

[Anonymous No.15234317]

Why could he not take his own redpill? Why did he live a sad life after realizing his freedom? Turns out you can't create a mental image/system/idol that you can imbue with powers and worship, exactly as you can't fap with something you draw. We need to be enslaved to others

[Anonymous No.15234344]

>>15233275
I’m in too deep anon. Redemption is only a heartbeat away.

[Anonymous No.15234355]

>>15234317
The syphilis got to him

[Anonymous No.15234394]

>>15231038
so now you know we are all tied up in a game of the $real$ where each subject is it's own ego. now you see the game you can play it better, if you;re not a little bitch OP
aim your arrow furthest but always stay grounded.

[Anonymous No.15234426]

>>15234047
this one

OP, the danger is in getting lost in the power and being a fool. Or too lost in the discipline and being a zealot. Or in just being a regular lazy last man.

[Anonymous No.15234444]

>>15234317
>exactly as you can't fap with something you draw.
speak for yourself homo

[Anonymous No.15234535]

Where to start with neetchee?

Worried I'm too much of a brainlet

[Anonymous No.15234587]

>>15234535
Watch some YouTube videos with brief explanations of his aphorisms and his philosophy. One I found enjoyable before delving into his books was the Academy of Ideas on YT. From the I’d start with Beyond Good and Evil

[Anonymous No.15234615]

>>15231038
Imagine being so stupid that Nietzsche “ruined your life.” You have to be depressed + retarded to come to that conclusion

[Anonymous No.15234665]

>>15231038
>realize that you and everyone you know has the mindset of a slave
>realize that despite understanding this, you are literally incapable of making the shift out of this mindset
>mfw

[Anonymous No.15234690]

>>15234665
you are capable if you find your self, lol. Nietzsche would think youre a joke

[Anonymous No.15234712]

>>15234690
I know what you mean. But keeping it is more complicated than finding it.

[Anonymous No.15234729]

>>15234206
Present an argument against nietzsche then faggot

[Anonymous No.15234740]

>>15231038
does anyone else remember that part where Zarathustra beats that guy with a stick?

[Anonymous No.15234747]

>>15232259
what did he mean by this
can someone explain

[Anonymous No.15234753]

>>15231038
Which translation is best? Also is it flawed reasoning that I typically avoid translations done by females?

[Anonymous No.15234768]

>>15234753
Kaufmann (more liberal/humanist interpretation) or Hollingdale (more literal)
No it's not flawed, the only two viable translators in English are the above.

[Anonymous No.15234770]

>>15234747
I think it means that the only powerful part of Nietzsche's personality was his neuroticism.

[Anonymous No.15234817]

>>15231466
yeah fuck that shit!
What e-reader are you guys recommending?

[Anonymous No.15234846]

>>15231038
Imagine a life without knowing Nietzsche. What a mess

[Anonymous No.15234924]

>>15234770
Right. I do fee like the aristocratic ideal is appealing, but I feel compelled to live up to it, and while I may become a big muscled aristocrat, I'd still be doing so in a sort-of reactionary way, therefore I am still in the slave mindset?

I've never red Nietzche btw but is this what his critics are saying? Because I kinda feel like this way when I overdo it with the lifting and the earning of money. Feels like just trying to prove something (cuck mindset)

[Anonymous No.15235036]

>>15232259
"Aristocracy of weak nerves"

Chesterton clearly didnt read Nietzsche lmaoooo

[Anonymous No.15235042]

>>15234770
>>15234924

Chesterton didnt read Nietzsche or he wouldnt say some retarded shit like this.

Nietzche literally supports a person who can shrug off envy and problems with ease instead of being caught up in their emotions. Therefore having a lot more "nerves" than the retarded statement made by Chesterton

[Anonymous No.15235082]

>>15234770
>>15234924
Nietzsche was quite adamant that EVERYONE has something noble in them (his philosophy not being for everyone is a different idea inb4 someone with surface knowledge pipes up), Chesterton doesn't get it basically.

[Anonymous No.15235106]

>>15235082
this

[Anonymous No.15235282]

>>15234768
I liked Kaufmann

[Anonymous No.15235300]

>>15231520
>>15232259
>>15234214
Imagine the smell.

[Anonymous No.15235325]

>>15231038
Reminder that Freddy was so triggered by Wagner's Parzifal that he started sperging out about wanting to live like an African savage. There is no civilization without morality. Nietzsche is literaly nigger tier.

[Anonymous No.15235342]

Try this guy. He talks about Nietzsche too in his psychology classes.

[Anonymous No.15235355]

>>15235325

[Anonymous No.15235366]

>Nothing matters, just do what makes you happy.

[Anonymous No.15235371]

>>15235366
I like how everyone in this thread who criticize OP present absolutely 0 arguments.

[Anonymous No.15235408]

Steven Pinker debunked Neetch.

[Anonymous No.15235506]

>>15232259
lmao it's evident that he never read Nietzsche, he was the 20th century equivalent of a wikipedia reader, just your average /lit/poster except he had a penchant and undeniable talent for aphorisms

[Anonymous No.15235857]

>"Mine enemies have grown strong and have distorted the face of my teaching," he says, "so that my dearest friends must be ashamed of the gifts I gave them."

[Anonymous No.15235911]

>>15231267
To say that morality is an elaborate magic trick does not mean you are "amoral". After all, by pulling your own morality out of thin air you have produced something that you can live by, "real" or not. To live according to the terms of your own fabricated ethics, and then to convince others to follow in your footsteps, is simply the means by which morality comes into being.

[Anonymous No.15235922]

>>15231038
There are two strands in modern philosophy: One which runs from Descartes to Nietzche, which is dominant, and is a failure. Neitzche could not overcome the negations, and thought in this strand has basically stopped generating new ideas. The second runs from Descartes to Rossmini, and it represents the purification of the classical metaphysics in light of the questions raised in early modernity. From this tradition, one can actually participate in something like human thought.

[Anonymous No.15235929]

>>15235408
>Stinky Pinky
Absolutely disgusting. This man does not understand Nietzsche whatsoever. And he isn't even criticising his approach to philosophy, just the way his ideas have been wrongly applied by terrible human beings.

[Anonymous No.15235944]

>>15235922
>From this tradition, one can actually participate in something like human thought
Human being no longer exists. Why should its thoughts?

[Anonymous No.15235959]

>>15235944
While it is true that there is something deeply abnormal about the way we live our lives today, it’s a bit much to say human being no longer exists. Besides, the recognition that our existence is abnormal implies the existence of a transcendent, normative human nature from which we have fallen away, no?

[Anonymous No.15236002]

>>15231038
Just how old are you jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.15236010]

>>15236002
Using age doesnt refute him

[Anonymous No.15236036]

>>15236010
Refute what

[Anonymous No.15236037]

>>15231255
based

[Anonymous No.15236050]

>>15236036
What Nietzsche claims on genealogy of morals

[Anonymous No.15236183]

>>15232259
BTFO'd

[Anonymous No.15236187]

>>15236050
There's nothing to refute.
It's already part of popular culture.
It's as bland as it can be at this point.

[Anonymous No.15236196]

>>15236183
>BTFO'd

Chesterton hasnt ever read Nietzsche lmao

[Anonymous No.15236200]

>>15236187
>It's already part of popular culture.
>It's as bland as it can be at this point.

How does that invalidate Nietzsches ideas?

[Anonymous No.15236217]

>>15231038
read this then

[Anonymous No.15236300]

>>15231038
you may think that it might be true , but since we live in post-truth era it sadly doesn't matter what matters is that is effects of applying these kind of philosophy to your life.These effects may be brutal. Unironically abstaining from classical morality, ( greek or christian, they are 80% the same) can cause you a lot of unnessesary suffering which you can easly avoid.Actually practicing virtues in your life makes you stronger. because you are forcing yourself to do things you don't like and abstaining from things you like. its that simple. if you reverse this you get weaker day by day. and if your thinking is about survival for faggots then you should try everything to alleviate suffering in your life and virutes can help you with this.

[Anonymous No.15236326]

>>15236300
Best book on virtues?

[Anonymous No.15236327]

>>15236200
It invalidates your reaction. That's why I asked for your age.

[Anonymous No.15236411]

>>15236327

[Anonymous No.15236418]

>>15236300
Yes but not, you can just create your own moral and life in a perfect world when the people start to treat like trash, but I least you stop suffering and become a super-human

[Anonymous No.15237120]

>>15234047
How good is the completed works of Delphi classics?

[Anonymous No.15237712]

>>15236300
enlightened virtue ethicist

[Anonymous No.15238134]

>>15236411
Basado

[Anonymous No.15238443]

>>15231038
I can't believe you clods actually have to read Nietzsche to realize such basal percipience

[Anonymous No.15238477]

>>15235366
>just do what makes you happy
Except Nietzsche supported a life of constant, positive struggle, and not of idle happiness

[Anonymous No.15238515]

>>15238477
idle happiness only occurs to dunces

[Anonymous No.15239011]

>>15238515
dunces?

[Anonymous No.15239337]

>>15234587
>academy of ideas

[Anonymous No.15239769]

>>15231038

Read Spinoza. Perfekt antidote.
Nietzsche is just sucking cock on Goethe who realized there was objective truth and morality.

[Anonymous No.15239771]

you can't shed morality
retards