Hellenism and Greek Religion

[Anonymous No.15229854]

For me it's Artemis.

[Anonymous No.15229876]

>>15229854
For me, it's Cybele and Attis

[Anonymous No.15229885]

>>15229854
For me Hephaestus

[Anonymous No.15229887]

>>15229854
Athena is best waifu

[Anonymous No.15229899]

>>15229885
Second

[Anonymous No.15229945]

>>15229876
holy fuck algoposting.

[Anonymous No.15229962]

>>15229887
Athena is the best

[Anonymous No.15229977]

>>15229962
Based Athena turning Medusa’s hair into bunch of dicks kek

[Anonymous No.15229985]

Prometheus did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.15230028]

>>15229887
Correct. Why settle for less?

[Anonymous No.15230052]

>>15229977
>and if anyone should see your true face, including you yourself, shall turn to stone at your wretchedness

Based

[Anonymous No.15230054]

>>15229854
>>15229885
>>15229985
>if an artist made those kinds of sculptures today it would be considered outdated if not fascist
To what level have we sunk?

[Anonymous No.15230066]

>>15230054
No, not at all.

[Anonymous No.15230078]

>>15229887
Only right answer

[Anonymous No.15230144]

>>15230054
>if an artist made those kind of sculptures today it would be considered outdated if not fascist
No.

[Anonymous No.15230168]

>>15230054
Get yer head out the gutter mate. Dont like libtard, but dont like strawmen either.

[Anonymous No.15230180]

>>15229854
For me it's The One

[Anonymous No.15230190]

Demigods are best gods. For me it is gonna have to be Heracles.

[Anonymous No.15230196]

>>15229854
discord.gg/tome

[Anonymous No.15230357]

>>15230066
>>15230144
>>15230168
How so? This is exactly what Nazi artists did and they’ve been relentlessly attacked for it.

[Anonymous No.15230363]

>>15230190

>Muh strong hero can do all the things

Literally capeshit-tier

[Anonymous No.15230385]

>>15230190

Based

[Anonymous No.15230404]

>>15230363
>strong hero can do all the things
Yes. Hero worship is highest form of worship.

[Anonymous No.15230483]

>>15229885
>>15230054
lmao i think mine is a modern sculpture.

[Anonymous No.15230575]

>>15230357

No they were relentlessly attacked for literally being Nazis.

[Anonymous No.15230587]

>>15229854
>Turns you into a stag and your own dogs devour you

Worth it

[Anonymous No.15230605]

>>15229887
I really like the relationship between Odysseus and Athena.

[Anonymous No.15230669]

>>15229887
correct

[Anonymous No.15230676]

>Artemis is a perpetual virgin who mainly cavorts with other virgins
>Artemis is the goddess who kills women (Il.21.483)

What did Homer mean by this?

[Anonymous No.15230707]

>ywn be able to sculpt like this
Is there even a point in trying it?

[Anonymous No.15230711]

>>15230357
>>15230575

[Anonymous No.15230715]

>>15230404
BASED. I might just read Mishima. But the seppuku is opposite of Heroic tbqh

[Anonymous No.15230764]

Antinous

[Anonymous No.15230837]

>>15230190
He's generally protrayed as dimwitted and quick tempered, not exatcly a perfect hero, none of the famous heroes are except maybe Aeneas in the Virgil's portrayal.

[Anonymous No.15230843]

>>15230837
Meant for this retard
>>15230363

[Anonymous No.15230850]

>>15230385
Imagine burying your face there and rimming his sweaty dirty asshole

[Anonymous No.15230862]

>>15230715
Eh depends on the reasons, but Mishimia specifically was a pussy and did it for cowardly reasons.

[Anonymous No.15231187]

>>15230180
>the brain on Plato, or philosophized religion in general
grotesque

[Anonymous No.15231209]

>>15230676
>also the goddess of childhood, and of birth
what did the Ephesians down to Ovid mean?

[Anonymous No.15231242]

>>15229854
>sorry ladies, but I'd like to award this golden apple to Artemis who does not appear to be among you, and--
*smote*
-she couldn't even protect Hippolytus-
Athena, without fail or question

[Anonymous No.15231257]

>>15230357
Yeah, I'm sure it was the sculptures that people had such a problem with

[Anonymous No.15231299]

>ywn be a hero guided by athena

[Anonymous No.15231312]

>>15229854
>>15229887
Obviously Hestia would be the best wife, if you could get her to agree.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15231352]

>>15230180
So Nyx.

>>15231312
Hestia. Defender of the home. Nice

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15231361]

>>15231299
Why not?

[Anonymous No.15231388]

>>15231242
>golden apple
what's that got to do with anything?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15231609]

>>15230363
>comic books borrow from pillars of European culture
>edgy teen-brain thinks this nullifies all of culture
This is a major problem with today’s pomo world. Get over yourself.

>>15231242
>>15231388
She didn’t want it anyway. She wanted Iphigenia.

[Anonymous No.15231893]

>>15231609
>Iphigenia
rumor is she got her, although no one bothered to apprise Clytemnestra, or even investigate..
'Will of the Gods' preempted tales of 'ratiocination and detection,' I suppose

[Anonymous No.15231974]

>>15231388
Idea of the thread is 'select one'
I give a mythological instance of selecting and note that Artemis wasn't even part of the power/beauty contest
Why?
Because she was neither among the most beautiful nor the most powerful
Relatively speaking, what good is she?
Not much unless of course you're an agèd, sentimental lesbian, in which I suppose she's good for perverse reasons best left undisclosed..

[Anonymous No.15231993]

>>15231974
retard.

[Anonymous No.15232004]

>>15230054
yes you would receive harsh criticism if you couldn't explain the form and material you chose during a review or jury. Though in contemporary sculpture iron figure work is so common that if your statue was female I am fairly certain no one would turn an bat an eye.

[Anonymous No.15232021]

>>15231993
great take, moronos.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15232059]

>>15231974
She lays low, doesn't fall for the golden apple contest. Who cares what some mortal thinks is beautiful?
>>15232021
No, they're right. I don't mind your not caring for Artemis, but it sinks to stupid ridicule

[Anonymous No.15232154]

>>15230676
>>15231209
She can shoot you with an arrow and kill you in childbirth.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15232231]

>>15232154
No, she likes kids.

[Anonymous No.15233101]

>>15232231
You can like kids and kill them too.

[Anonymous No.15233314]

>>15229854
It's hard to even fathom the amount of skill it takes to sculpt something like this

[Anonymous No.15233327]

>>15232231
It's a reference to when Apollo and Artemis killed Niobe's children

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15233433]

>>15233101
Thanks.
The original attributes of Artemis were of midwifery, for all creatures.
Then the patriarchal invaders turned her into a taker of life and mostly forgotten even by the hunters she was supposed to represent. But what about it? Readapt the stories to make sense of it. She’s a tough dyke that loves life. A “virgin” in the eyes of penis worshipping men

>>15233327
Oh yeah. It’s such a forgettable stupid story.

[Anonymous No.15234105]

For me it's Hecate

[Anonymous No.15234116]

>>15233433
It's about the folly of hubris. I can see why it doesn't appeal to you.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15234117]

>>15234105
The third aspect of Artemis, Selene, Hekate

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15234130]

>>15234116
I prefer the hubris lesson between Dionysus and Pentheus

[Anonymous No.15234673]

>>15232059
>doesn't fall for the
right, like her betters do; she just orchestrates gang murders on innocent hunters who happen to wander in on her bathing area- what nobility!

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15234698]

>>15234673
Don’t peep on the girls frolicking, bitch.

[Anonymous No.15234767]

>>15230676
Women deserve to die. Artemis was a hero.

[Anonymous No.15234769]

>>15231609
>Butterfly attacking pomo

What the hell timeline did I slip into?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15234779]

>>15234769
I’ve always advanced the Start with the Greeks meme.
He’s being a culture snob. Very common around here

[Anonymous No.15234784]

>>15234779
Aren't Nietzsche amd Stirner the fathers of pomo?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15234787]

>>15234784
No

[Anonymous No.15234926]

/lit/ troja meeting when?

[Anonymous No.15234942]

>>15234784
Nietzsche has some influence, more like a grandfather. Stirner has nothing to do with it. But Marx and Freud do.

[Anonymous No.15234949]

>>15229887
normie take
Dionysus femboy mode is the only way to go.

[Anonymous No.15234977]

>>15230837

Perseus is the perfect hero.

[Anonymous No.15234994]

>>15229885

>Cucked because he has skinny legs

The Greeks were black pilled and brutal

[Anonymous No.15235120]

>>15234994
True, he's also one of the earlier ones. They became more shitty as the generations passed, the ones from the Trojan War being the biggest assholes.

[Anonymous No.15235230]

>>15234698
um.. that's a poor defense and you know it. Artemis has no major exploits that may be classified as decent- no Heracles, no Anchises, no Odysseus.. closest she comes to this is Hippolytus whom she cannot protect. I can understand your fangirl take but that's not how I chose to view the question.

[Anonymous No.15235279]

For me, it's Orpheus.

[Anonymous No.15235283]

>>15234994
Not to mention his wife literally operates an onlyfans account.

[Anonymous No.15235378]

>>15229854
For me it's Pallas Athena

[Anonymous No.15235382]

For me it's Zeus. Why have anyone other than the King?

[Anonymous No.15235388]

>>15235382
Zeus is a shit king and you are a faggot retard.

[Anonymous No.15235392]

>>15235388
It doesn't matter if he's a shit king or not, he's still king and you aren't even a peasant.

[Anonymous No.15235393]

>>15229854
For me it’s The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

[Anonymous No.15235398]

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

[Anonymous No.15235548]

Pan

Pastures. Music. Lust.

You need more?

[Anonymous No.15235645]

>>15235283
kek, he deserves better

[Anonymous No.15235735]

>>15235548
based and correct

[Anonymous No.15235761]

Redpill me on the Eleusinian Mysteries.

[Anonymous No.15235768]

>>15235761
You had to be there, man.

[Anonymous No.15236044]

>>15229885
literally cucked infront of all the gods who then admitted that they would also cuck him

[Anonymous No.15236062]

>>15235393
based

[Anonymous No.15236256]

>>15235392
you really are a retard

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15236398]

>>15235230
It’s not a defense, it’s a warning.
Zeus wants everyone to think she’s a harmless neutered virgin but here someone is spying on her fucking her nymphs?
>buh muh Hercules (Herakles)
That’s such a shitty comic book. Elevating Hera’s consort to rapist Hulk hero

I’ve already pointed out two of her exploits one pre and one post Olympian.

>>15235761
No. The way is blocked off forever. Only the walls of Tartarus is left for your shade. Find your church fathers there and torment them for doing this to humanity.

>>15236044
Aphrodite and he were never married. Fanfic porn.

[Anonymous No.15236642]

>>15235761
Mycenaean era cult soteriological cult practices that survived the Greek Dark Ages. The simplest point of them seems to be an agricultural fertility cult rooted in ensuring the return of life in the spring. This isn't a transactional ritual wherein things are given to, say, Demeter, in return for your cattle having kids or whatever, but is a necessary process to actually having a spring.

At some point there was what appears to be a soteriological aspect wherein one engaged in mental preparation and spiritual purification in order to be able to avoid reincarnation back into the world and instead join the Gods in some form of paradisical afterlife. Partaking in the cult appeared to only better your chances at accomplishing this by a small amount and could actually be done many times during your life (presumably this would increase the benefits as they stacked?), so the ceremony was opened for everyone. Thousands of people, many of whom were frequent attendees would go to Eleusis to partake in the public ceremonies. Ecstatic visions were common. Some link these visions to a special beverage that was drank, but we know the ingredients and all of them would require lethal levels of consumption to induce hallucination. You'd also spend literally an entire day waiting in a line after having drank this stuff (a ritual blessing came next), so the idea that they could have thousands of people high on this stuff and not have it descend into chaos (it was quite an orderly affair, apparently, which Christians mocked it for being) is nonsensical. Ecstatic visions were and still are a common part of Greek religion, so I don't see why this isn't just something that Greeks do.

Finally, and here's where the Mysteries start, there was an initiatory cult that was very choosy about its members. We have no real idea what they did or why, because of MUH SECRECY (and later MUH JESUS). Presumably, they were trying to ensure your place in the paradiscal afterlife through a ceremony reminiscent of the scene of Demeter with the queen of Eleusis's child (tl;dr she roasts him alive so he can be resurrected as a God, as you must die to become a God; a maid interrupts, and the child is only made into a Demigod as the process is not finished). It did not involve literally roasting someone alive, however.

I've got some books on this if you'd like.

[Anonymous No.15236748]

>>15236642
>I've got some books on this if you'd like

Already read Ritual Texts for the Afterlife: Orpheus and the Bacchic Gold Tablets after some anon recommended it to me some time ago (maybe it was you, I'd presume there's not a lot of mysteries experts here). Either way, good read. Any more suggested readings?

[Anonymous No.15236811]

>>15236748
Too many works on the Classics treat Greco-Roman mythology and religion as a sort of puzzle independent of the actual people who practiced it and believed in it. They're trying to make sense of a fictional universe, rather than a religious system that was actually practiced and believed in by human beings and had more significance than just masses of trivia. In that regard, a fantastic work would be The House of Hades (which is up on libgen), that goes over what the actual "point" of Orphism and Eleusianism was from a human, religious, perspective. There's plenty of works on the trivia aspect of these traditions, but frankly they're all the same, anyone can translate Orphic Tablets for example.

[Anonymous No.15236820]

>>15236811
Thank you for this anon. Very much appreciated.

[Anonymous No.15236928]

>>15236811
>The House of Hades
Can I get an author? There is some Percy Jackson novel with the same name that turns up in all the searches.

[Anonymous No.15236950]

>>15236928
Lars Albinus. It should be noted that this book goes over the Homeric, Orphic, and Eleusian ideas of life and death, taking a bit of time to get through the Homeric conceptions. This is necessary of course as Homer radically redefined Greek life and religion, but I feel I should mention it none the less.

[Anonymous No.15238099]

>>15230180
>symbol is a boob

[Anonymous No.15238110]

>>15235279
based and Uzdavinys pilled

[Anonymous No.15239248]

>>15229854
Okay guys, help me out please.
What's the authoritative source on greek mythology? Is there a single book of it?

I would be especially interested in parallel ancient greek and english text

love you, thanks

[Anonymous No.15239268]

>>15239248
Edith Hamilton's Mythology is the go to primer on Greek and Roman myths but in my opinion she treats the subject in a vaguely dismissive manner. it's obvious that she thinks much of it is just silly. That being said, it is informative and is one of the standards for good reason. "The Greek Myths" by Robert Graves is another good one.

[Anonymous No.15240450]

Not one person has said Aphrodite; I receive prophetic dreams from her whenever I write something new or read.

[Anonymous No.15240473]

>>15240450
What makes men fight other than for love? Honour? only because they love it. Justice? Love's child as with eros, that mania for philosophy and art. Everything of the gods is plagiarised from the very form of Aphrodite - she is Kronos reborn from the blood of his loins. The last cosmic echo of the true king of Heaven.

[Anonymous No.15240587]

>>15239248
Try "The Greeks, the Gods and Mortals" and "Did the Greeks really Believe Their Myths?"

[Anonymous No.15240691]

>>15239268
I just read it, decent if brief. I didn't find her too dismissive of the Greeks, but the Romans and the Aeneid in particular she definitely was, basically saying it was just a jumbled rip off of Homer lol. The last bit with the Norse seemed pretty /pol/ too, how we're Norse by Race but Greek by culture (obviously she was not addressing coloreds and such).

[Anonymous No.15240792]

>>15240450

>tfw no Aphrodite of the tomb gf

[Anonymous No.15240807]

>>15240792
what book is that?

[Anonymous No.15240832]

>>15231187
what’s the opposite of philosophized religion?

[Anonymous No.15240833]

>>15240807

It's from this bad boy--an underrated book if there ever was one, if only because the author makes so many interesting connections.

[Anonymous No.15240858]

>>15240832
Poeticized religion

[Anonymous No.15240874]

>>15231312
You just have to be a cute boy and she will love you forever. At least that's what Japan taught me.

[Anonymous No.15240898]

>>15240858
what is the other component to religion besides the poetry

[Anonymous No.15240995]

>>15240874
I'm not sure I'd trust Japan to know about ancient Mediterranean goddesses. That outfit is wildly immodest, where's her veil and the ribbon doesn't even make sense.

[Anonymous No.15240999]

>>15240898
The Truth

[Anonymous No.15241031]

>>15240995
Japan doesn't know shit. Never watched the anime, but in the manga she has exactly nothing to do with her namesake. The easiest fucking goddess to kawaii waifu uguu, and fucking nnothing no hearth barely a home a godsdamned miniskirt and that fukcing ribbon

[Anonymous No.15241048]

shit why is greek literature so good lmao.

[Anonymous No.15241059]

>>15241031
That's a dress anon. That being said you are right that very little of the character has to do with her namesake other than she is a virgin.

[Anonymous No.15241130]

>>15241059
IT"S NOT EVEN A DRESS IT'S A SLIP. A slightly-too-long camisole. A mangled t-shirt with an aggressively impractical ribbon. Her "dress" is meant to be tattered in the torso, but the bottom hem is intact? Why does she have matching gloves but no shoes?
You'll be happy to know your picture has me absolutely seething mad. How the fuck is that supposed to work?

[Anonymous No.15241277]

>>15241130

[Anonymous No.15241310]

>>15241277

Japanese technology proves itself the perfect marriage of function and form yet again.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15241441]

>>15240473
Nice, but she wasn’t born of the balls of Kronos. He comes back to pretend-rule every Saturnalia after all. No, she was another older goddess. A “Titan” unvanquished.

[Anonymous No.15241603]

>>15241277
Now show me a picture of her standing with her arms at her sides. You can't, because that stupid fucking ribbon (and fuck you for that filename) will be around her ankles. Nothing is holding it up besides the angle of her elbows. I've been into the goddess Hestia ever since I read about her in some children's book of mythology. Finally get to see her in a modern interpretation and it's this fucking awful irreverent piece of nip trash. I'll write a story about Amaterasu wearing jorts and a tank top being physically and emotionally dominated by a kangaroo, see how those assholes like it

[Anonymous No.15241992]

>>15241603
cringe coomer

[Anonymous No.15242010]

>>15229854
Artemis is pretty good.

I like Pan, or Orpheus.

[Anonymous No.15242139]

>>15241031
Yes she'd be a very good waifu, except that's canonically impossible. After rejecting two gods (like incel gonna compete) she swore to remain a virgin. Thus the veil. It's like stripping Odin of his eye patch, he's not the same god anymore, just another dumb bro on a horse with too many legs.

>>15240473
>>15241441
What are you idiots on about? Aphrodite was born from casting the genitals of Uranus into the sea. This is basic knowledge of you'd started with the Greeks.

>>15241603
Aegis up, anon. It's not that big a deal, just write your own fanfic.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15242152]

>>15242139
An! I forgot
She wasn’t born of the severed balls of Uranus

[Anonymous No.15242177]

>>15230054
Actually good b8
Here’s your (You); not even mad :)

[Anonymous No.15242507]

>>15229854
I just want young greek boipucci

[Anonymous No.15242831]

>>15230605
What are you implying?

[Anonymous No.15242862]

>>15239248
>Is there a single book of it?
No.

>What's the authoritative source on greek mythology?
Pierre Grimal's "Dictionary of Greek and Roman Mythology". Robert Graves "The Greek Myths"will be a second one.

[Anonymous No.15242876]

Does anyone have any good resources on the Roman cult of Sol Invictus? It seems interesting to me how it was sort of used by Aurelian and later Julian as almost a competitor to Christianity.

[Anonymous No.15243625]

>>15239268
I just hated how she never wasted an opporunity to shit talk Ovid. At one point she calls him pathetic even.

[Anonymous No.15243955]

>>15242139
Yeah retard, the blood of the loins. The blood seeping from the genitals that were castrated by the usurper Zeus. The sea foam and blood mixed to become the Cyprian dame. Fuck me have you never heard of kenning, figurative speach, you half-brained ingrate so eager to correct others and prostrate yourself before false idols. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.15243965]

>>15243955
Fuck I did it again, Ouranos and kronos, not kronos and zeus.

Urantia heavens highest

[Anonymous No.15244000]

>>15243955
>>15243965
Birthed of loins Saturnus’; blood and foam-born,
Bubbled up Ourania cosmic – Oh Queen!
‘Rayed in colours brilliant, Rainbow’s caught blaze,
Poetry falls short!

I tried sapphic stanza

[Anonymous No.15244314]

>>15242139
>What are you idiots on about? Aphrodite was born from casting the genitals of Uranus into the sea. This is basic knowledge of you'd started with the Greeks.
That's the most popular story, pagan religions aren't so neurotic about origin stories. Sometimes Athena was born from head of Zeus, sometimes she was result of one of infidelities of Zeus. Sometimes Ares was born from Heras affairs, some stories he was born from a rose. Different cities had different stories.

[Anonymous No.15244792]

>>15243625
>At one point she calls him pathetic even.

Disgusting

[Anonymous No.15244803]

>>15239268
Hamilton belongs in the garbage.

[Anonymous No.15244809]

I want to fuck Artemis so fuckng bad how do I summon her what should I sacrifice

[Anonymous No.15244852]

What did Plato mean by this?