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Is there Islamic literature and is it really Islamic? Any good Muslim fiction written in the last 200-300 years?

>> No.15227785

Islam forbids performing music and portraying living beings. What about fiction?

>> No.15227800

>>15227777
you mean literature about Islam or literature produced by muslims? if it's the latter then you haven't even tried and just came here to start a bait thread.

>> No.15227810

>>15227800
>literature produced by muslims
This.

>> No.15227846

>>15227810
every muslim country produced literature, depends on what you're looking for, most of it doesn't get translated unless the author wins a prize and gets famous.

>> No.15227853

>>15227800
>just came here to start a bait thread
I will literally give you a taste of my shoe.

>> No.15227871

>>15227846
I mean good (from a literary point of view) authors who write fiction that is Islamic in spirit and does not violate Shariah law.

>> No.15228076

>>15227785
>Islam forbids performing music and portraying living beings

fucking wahabbis

>> No.15228106

>>15227777
There is literature but its mostly religious stuff about muhammad, his followers, islamic history, islamic law etc. There isn't really much fiction.

>> No.15228118

I've been to a lot of book shops in the arab world and its all religious stuff and some translations of western things, but not much. Muslims don't read much. If you are in to reading they think you are exceptional and blessed.

>> No.15228214

>>15228076
>wahabbis
This is real Islam.

>> No.15228354

>>15228214
No, the founder has been declared as a Kafir by the real scholars of his time.

>> No.15228400

>>15228354
>real scholars
Who are these people?

Even so, Salafi Islam is closest to the original version. The rest of Islam (Sufism and Shiism) is full of innovations.

>> No.15228436

>>15228400
>Salafi Islam is closest to the original version
You are someone who loves black and white, right and wrong answers. But there's often multiple answers who are all legitmitate, different schools, etc.

>> No.15228462

>>15228436
the Shafii, Hanbali and Maliki schools mostly agree with the wahhabis in terms of shariah things like music being haram, depictions of living beings being haram etc.

>> No.15228535

>>15228462
It's the Hanafi madhab who are hardcore against music. I know people think Hanafis are some t*rkfags, but in reality they are really strict madhab. Also there's ikhtilaf in almost any thing, except Tawhid of course.
Did you know that there's even ikhtilaf if gold is really haram for men?

>> No.15228565

I read Season of Migration to the North and recommend it

>> No.15228610

>>15228535
I visited a group of shafii sufis in yemen once and their shaykhs wouldn't even use the daff (drum) or any other instruments because they consider it haram. They would attend the gatherings of others who do use the daff though.

>> No.15228692

>>15228118
>>15228610
Are you the same anon? What do you do?

>> No.15228870

>>15228692
Yes I'm the same

I don't do anything

>> No.15228875

Not a single contemporary Islamic writer or poet is mentioned. Why?

>> No.15228881

Who is the Dostoveysky of Islam?

>> No.15228895

>>15228881
Novels are a European invention. Muslims don't write these kind of books

>> No.15228907

>>15228895
Is there no muslim author who explores the spirituality of Islam in fiction? Now I'm disappointed :(

>> No.15228912

>>15228895
The Chinese, Africans, Japanese, Indians and other non-European peoples write novels. What is wrong with the Muslim world?

>> No.15228940

>>15228907
Orhan Pamuk? But I don't know if he is a Muslim.

>> No.15228964

>>15228912
The only thing Muslims need to read is the Quran and the Hadiths. That's it.

>> No.15228986

>>15228912
There is Muslim poetry aplenty though.

>> No.15228991

>>15228907
Omar Khayyam, Rumi, Said Nursi, Fethullah Gulen, Elijah Muhammad, Idries Shah, Harun Yahya, Ahmed Deedat

>> No.15229000

>>15228870
I mean, career-wise. Or is it your hobby to travel around Muslim countries?

>> No.15229005

>>15228986
Are there any modern poets?

>> No.15229050

>>15229000
I went there to study in a madrassa and stayed there for 2 years as I had converted to Islam when I was 17. After coming back to my country I left Islam because I was convinced it wasn't the truth.

Now I'm an uber driver and studying a post grad degree in an unrelated area to get a better job.

>> No.15229060

>>15228912
Muslims aren't very intellectually curious. They will often say the Quran has everything we need.

>> No.15229084

>>15228991
Elijah Muhammad wasn't Muslim

>> No.15229087

>>15229050
Do you belong to some religion now? What are your views?

>> No.15229091

>>15228912
Muslim written novels exist there just is very few of them and mostly westerners will be the ones to read them.

>> No.15229111

>>15229087
I don't belong to any religion. I wouldn't join another abrahamic religion. I'm interested in ancient Greek and indian philosophies.

>> No.15229172

>>15229050
What did you consider wrong in Islam?

>> No.15229213

>>15229172
The contents of the Quran can't be from God. Whoever wrote it mistook legends like the Alexander romance and sleepers of Ephesus and other rabbinical folk tales as if they were from scripture. This shows whoever wrote it didn't know anything about the Bible or other religions and just put whatever he heard in there and assumed it was from the Bible. It makes sense, an illiterate merchant wouldn't be able to discern the different sources because he can't read.

>> No.15229637

>>15228895
>Novels are a European invention
Excuse me, telling stories is universal, and refining the art in literature should be an obvious way to go for any culture.

It doesn't qualify because it's a collection of folk tales, but Arabian Nights is entertaining in the way folk tales are: shit about customs, what's good/evil, how people get rewarded/punished for what they do and such.

I can understand all publications being religious, as it used to be in medieval Europe. But even then science was shining through in religiously "themed" texts. Islam is a backwards and animalistic ideology and not one of the islamic countries work.

>> No.15229804

>>15228610
Interesting I am born in a shafii family so it's also my madhab. I'd like to meet you you filthy murtad, jokes aside. I think it would be interesting talk to you. You are right most Muslims especially Arabs are not into literature and are dumb af unfortunately. But I can't believe that there are almost 2b Muslims. I think in reality most who call themself Muslims haven't understand the religion.

>> No.15229820

>>15229111
Based.

>> No.15229850

Don Quixote

>> No.15229959

>>15227777
My mom grew up on a religious Muslim household and they were event extremists. But she wasn’t allowed to read any fiction, listen to music, draw people, or even play games like chess. We look at liberal Muslims listening to music in the West and think this is how religious Muslims live. But it is not

>> No.15229968

>>15229959
*weren't even extremists

>> No.15229990

>>15228912
There are Muslim scholars and it’s nonfiction. But it’s limited to debating kafirs and writing huge essays how the Quran is logical and scientific and implying that the person (atheists, Jew, Christian) they are debating with is going to hell.

>> No.15229992

>>15229850
Kek

>> No.15230023

>>15229990
I forgot one group: the other muslims who are not from their sect

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>>15227777
Guenon (PBUH) is both the first, the last, and the only Islamic scholar you will ever need anon.

>> No.15230181

>>15229637
>Excuse me, telling stories is universal, and refining the art in literature should be an obvious way to go for any culture

Yes but they just don't write many novels or come up with new stories. Soap operas and that kind of thing exist on their tv channels but for the most part Muslim cultures are functionally illiterate. They can read, but they just don't for the most part. You will notice one aspect of arab and pakistani cultures for example, at first you will note how everyone is always talking about politics, the news etc. But after a while you notice they're always repeating the same thing, nothing new. It's because they don't consume any new ideas or read anything.

>> No.15230500

>>15228400
The only thing remotely close to the original version of islam is Quranism.

>> No.15230673

>>15227777
Ok nobody here seems to be giving aby serious answer I'll start i guess.
Hayy Ibn Yazqan a philosophical novel written in the middle ages basically a precursor to Robinson Caruso
Hamzanama- an epic (dastan) recently translated into English
If you're looking for moderns works/novels i suggest Azazel by Yusuf Zeidan and Death and the Dervish
I also suggest Muhammad Asad' The Unromantic Orient

>> No.15232071

>>15230673
Thanks

>> No.15232493

>>15230181
I have noticed, talking to immigrants that come to the library to practice the language, that they are unable to debate and can only repeat what they see on their favourite TV channel. I was arguing some point, and then a stocky muslim loudmouth turned towards me and said (very friendly) yes, this is your view of the problem. It's a feminine view because you are a woman. I and the other group leader exchanged glances in a "wtf is this guy on" way.

What you have described is not only muslims, but individuals (sic) from just any culture grown on a combination of ignorance, material poverty, intellectual starvation, extremely weak institutions, which make family the center of the institutional and intellectual world, and generalized corruption all over; as a result you have muslims, but also, indians, gypsies, ex-USSR countries, all of asia except (approximately) Japan, Singapore and South Korea. Everyone in these anti-cultures an extremely friendly automaton, and that's the end of their rope.

>> No.15232561

>>15230181
This is only a recent phenomena that Daniel Pipes explains
http://www.danielpipes.org/273/the-western-mind-of-radical-islam
creativity and intellectual thought was heavily encouraged in traditional islamic societies like book related
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theologus_Autodidactus

>> No.15232962

>>15228076
Its not Wahabbism that is Islamic Orthodoxy, music is strictly limited to practical matters (ie military ones) its a simmilar case with art.