ITT: actual real life Nietzschean ubermensch, in the correct usage of the term

[Anonymous No.15185910]

>Mishima
>Wittgenstein
>Stockhausen
>Goethe

Anyone else?
>Napoleon
>Lord Byron
>

[Anonymous No.15186405]

>>15185910
iirc Neitzsche cobsidered Julius Caesar and Alexander to be close to the overman ideal. Probably any one who is a warlord that goes beyond morality to forge a colossal new reality ormeaning for themselves.

If that is your criteria, look no further than Cecil Rhodes.

Also, lord byron is a preening hedonistic fop and is too self obsessed to be a fucking overman.

[Anonymous No.15186444]

Cesare Borgia

[Anonymous No.15186486]

Genghis Khan

[Anonymous No.15186833]

Alexander

[Anonymous No.15186838]

>>15185910
mishima was a larping fag. nietzsche would have hated him

[Anonymous No.15186841]

>actual real life Nietzschean ubermensch
>in the correct usage of the term
Bro, do you even Zarathustra?

[Anonymous No.15186852]

Ole hickory fits the bill

[Anonymous No.15186882]

>>15185910
Jesus Christ, too.

[Anonymous No.15186910]

>>15186852
is there anyone else who told the banks to fuck off in the past couple hundred years?

[Anonymous No.15186922]

>>15186838
Nietzsche was a larping fag

[Anonymous No.15186928]

>>15186852
Jackson was textbook untermensch.

[Anonymous No.15186930]

>>15185910
Wittgenstein? Definitely not.

[Anonymous No.15186931]

>>15186922
He was a warrior of the mind

[Anonymous No.15186933]

Nietzsche saw jesus as a proto ubermensch

[Anonymous No.15186936]

>>15186882
>king slave moralist is the Ubermensch

[Anonymous No.15186949]

>>15186936
Nietzsche himself considered Christ übermensch. I swear you faggots don't even read.

[Anonymous No.15186960]

Jim Morrison

[Anonymous No.15186966]

>>15186910
In the mainstream? Ron Paul tried
>>15186928
Indeed

[Anonymous No.15186970]

>>15186936
t. Never actually read nietzsche's thoughts on christianity and just uses him as an excuse to be edgy

[Anonymous No.15187001]

>>15186936
dum-dum

[Anonymous No.15187003]

Nobody is the Overman, but some of them are higher men.

[Anonymous No.15187004]

>>15186405
>iirc
You don't, and to be honest I don't think you're calling on recollection at all.

[Anonymous No.15187049]

Me

[Anonymous No.15187059]

>>15186933
>>15186949
Not quite

[Anonymous No.15187096]

>>15185910
Lenin

[Anonymous No.15187098]

>>15186936
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15187108]

>>15187004
Good job I didnt ask for your input.

[Anonymous No.15187110]

>>15186936
time to return your copy of little miss sunshine faggot

[Anonymous No.15187120]

>>15185910
Mishima is damned by his will-to-death. Wittgenstein is pretty debatable, ultimately he was just a very autistic and anal moralfag. Not sure why Stockhausen is here, it doesn't even make for very good bait. Goethe is legit (though not ubermensch but a medium stage between man and ubermensch).

Napoleon is also legit for the same reason as Goethe. Nietzsche also praised Cesare Borgia and for the sale reasons would have loved the Cardinal De Retz if he had known his existence. Not sure if either qualifies as proto-ubermensch though.

Also
>no mention of Renzo Novatore

[Anonymous No.15187171]

>>15185910
Aguirre

[Anonymous No.15187176]

>>15187108
What a plebe.

[Anonymous No.15187181]

>>15187120
>Cardinal de Retz

Why's that?

[Anonymous No.15187200]

>>15187176
>plebe
Try hard

[Anonymous No.15187249]

>>15186910
Hmm I wonder. I have a feeling it's that unpopular guy.. what his name? You know that Austrian feller?

[Anonymous No.15187253]

Ernst Junger. He was a flawed man but he lived fulfilling life. Lots more to him then Storm of Steel

[Anonymous No.15187275]

>>15187253
name one flaw.

[Anonymous No.15187291]

do you need to be a warrior to be an ubermensh?

[Anonymous No.15187313]

>>15187253
than*

[Anonymous No.15187339]

Serrano was working on it...

[Anonymous No.15187354]

>>15187291
Sigurd said:

[Anonymous No.15187388]

>>15187354
interesting.

[Anonymous No.15187401]

>>15186936
dilate

[Anonymous No.15188309]

>>15186444
Relied on his dad for everything, would've been forgotten as another wannabe roman if Machiavelli didn't hype him up.

[Anonymous No.15188336]

>>15186405
>If that is your criteria, look no further than Cecil Rhodes
I'm reading it now and he seems like a stupid midwit with an incredible drive. Nietzsche's ideal was a subjectively beneficial psychological state of disengagement from doubt and drive towards pleasure. The ubermensch is uber only in relation to himself

[Anonymous No.15188350]

Musashi

[Anonymous No.15188365]

The real ubermensch, not Nietzsche's bullshit

[Anonymous No.15188370]

>>15185910
agree with witty for sure

as far as im concerned wittgensteins takes are an extension of nietzsches but attacking language as opposed to morality (especially phil. investigations. TLP, though beautiful, is a confused and platonist (decadent) take on language. there is no "other world" of pictures - all there is is the use of words)

similarly mcluhan, but media/tech as opposed to morality

all of them emphasized environment(inner drives/language/media) as decisive in a persons conduct

[Anonymous No.15188439]

>>15186405
>>15185910
Hitler, but unintentionally. He brought about a transvaluation of all values, except as a reaction to his own.

[Anonymous No.15188541]

>>15185910
Arnold Schwarzenegger

[Anonymous No.15188631]

>>15186960
Based. Truly ahead of our time, influenced many, and lived life on his terms. Wasn't alive for long but did a lot of living in those few years.

[Anonymous No.15188655]

>>15185910
You don't actually know the correct use of the term if you think anyone can be ubermensch, let alone any of those fags. Read Nietzche instead of fucking wikiepedia summaries.

[Anonymous No.15188738]

The one anon who posted
>me
and me as well

[Anonymous No.15188758]

>>15186936
Nietzsche said Christ was an ubermensch but also that he was the last Christian. Basically, Paul and his followers ruined Christ’s teaching and made a gay religion out of it. Christ good, Christianity bad.

[Anonymous No.15188769]

>>15188758
How did the early church martyrs ruin Christianity?

[Anonymous No.15188779]

>>15188541
He literally apologized after calling another politician a girly man. I like him too but a little too whipped.

[Anonymous No.15188782]

>>15185910
Dumb dumb pseudbrain here, explain your interpretation of what an ubermensch is in as few words as possible (without losing meaning)

[Anonymous No.15188789]

>>15188541
>actors
lol

[Anonymous No.15188982]

>>15185910
>Stockhausen
lmao, what is your reasoning here anon

[Anonymous No.15189371]

>>15188336
>disengagement from doubt and drive towards pleasure
I dont know how you got this anon. You mean you are reading Thus Spake? Because if so Zarathustra was portrayed as above please or self delusion. He had fully confronted truth and the wirld wven though he lived outside it.

As for the part you greentexted... Anon, I..... Cecil Rhodes was no midwit. He single handedly revolutionized British rule in Southern Africa and turned it into a powerhouse of imperial wealth and creation. He also set up the circumstance for the secession and creation of a new nation there. That is a chad act of creation and dominance. Anon, once again, I must express... Anon, I....

[Anonymous No.15189395]

>>15188439
No because most of the new values are in reaction to the horrors of the war and against him, he is a vortex of morality and values and did not forge a new world himself. He is a failed homunculus meant to create sommething new and he created his own worst nightmare and our current mode of being.

>>15188365
Unironically and unequivocally this.

[Anonymous No.15189562]

>>15188370
>as far as im concerned wittgensteins takes are an extension of nietzsches but attacking language as opposed to morality
That is fascinating. I haven't gotten to Wittgenstein but I guess I kind of unconsciously assumed the two must be opposed, due to the analytic/continental distinction, but it would make sense to me if Wittgenstein didn't have a view of philosophy similar to that of modern analytics. A lot of modern analytics really don't like Nietzsche and his ilk.

[Anonymous No.15189589]

>>15189562
read Terry Eagleton's "Materialism", he discusses similarities and differences between Nietzsche, Wittgenstein and Marx

[Anonymous No.15189647]

>>15189371
He who gazes and fully confronts the real can't function...no one can function outside his delusions. It's this delusional love that drives us and gives us pleasure.

[Anonymous No.15189674]

>>15189647
Anon, this is the nihilism that neetzzshee warned against. Confront the abyss ready and prepared, conquer it and come out the other side with a reevaluation of your values.

[Anonymous No.15190620]

>>15185910
>He doesn't know that Goethe is his only accurate mention, or why it is that Whitman also qualifies.

[hungryman !!5BI0oSV9uvS No.15190649]

>>15188758
Source?

[Anonymous No.15190654]

>>15185910
>Stockhausen
u wot?

[Anonymous No.15190674]

>>15186405
>Probably any one who is a warlord that goes beyond morality to forge a colossal new reality ormeaning for themselves
in that case genghis khan was the only true ubermensch

[Anonymous No.15190675]

>>15185910
Mishima was not an Übermensch. He chose the path of active nihilism, not of self-overcoming. Possibly he transcended in the moment of his suicide, but it's unlikely.

Wittgenstein was not even close.

I don't know Stockhausen.

Goethe counts.

[Anonymous No.15190702]

>>15188439
No. All he did was strengthen certain parties which were already dominant.

[Anonymous No.15190709]

>>15190702
Ok that sounds like I'm talking about Jews, I meant ideologically/culturally. There's nothing unique or renewed there, his failure is a victory of the status quo's undefeatable march.

[Anonymous No.15190715]

>>15190674
Even The Khan failed to make something lasting though. Within a few decades it was falling apart. He was like Alexander with 10x the reach, 10x the stamina, and 10x the statecraft ability. But it still was too easy to mismanage and soon collapsed. Doesnt change the man himself but it perhaps could have been much more lasting.

[Anonymous No.15190941]

>>15187108
Stop pretending to read books

[Anonymous No.15191163]

>>15189562
i assumed the same, but reading witty he feels far more continential than analytic. ive read russel and wittgensteins work, especially PI, is much less mathematical and autistic than russels. iirc Witty said of nietzsche that he believed him to he right in what he wrote but he was uncomfortable with his attacks on christianity.

As far as their work being similar: in the same way that nietzsche dissolves philosophic problems by looking at the drives of a person (you dont believe x philosophy because its "true", you believe it because you are y psychologically) wittgenstein dissolves philosophical problems by looking at language (x is not a philosophical problem, its a result of y muddying up the waters of language). Both refuse to engage a given philosophical issue on its own terms but rather try to undertand why the issue exists at all and in so doing manage to look at the problem directly. Its incredibly interesting stuff.

[Anonymous No.15191169]

>>15188309
>Relied on his dad for everything
afaik that doesn't contradict being an ubermensh. I don't think Nietzsche was some anti-family radical individual

[Anonymous No.15191227]

If you think anyone in history has been an ubermensch, you’ve missed the point of the ubermensch entirely.

[Anonymous No.15191232]

>>15191227
I have the creeping suspicion this is a dimwit take.

[Anonymous No.15191240]

>>15186910
Adolf Hitler and JFK.

[Anonymous No.15191242]

>>15189371
>Implying the Union of South Africa wasn't a flagrant Boer plot to bloodlessly get Brits like Cecil Rhodes out of South Africa.

[Anonymous No.15191270]

>>15191232
It's not, in TSZ Zarathustra (Nietzsche) straight up says the Ubermensch exists in the future and not in the present in the very first chapter.

>I TEACH YOU THE SUPERMAN. Man is something that is to be surpassed. What have ye done to surpass man?
>All beings hitherto have created something beyond themselves: and ye want to be the ebb of that great tide, and would rather go back to the beast than surpass man?
>What is the ape to man? A laughing-stock, a thing of shame. And just the same shall man be to the Superman: a laughing-stock, a thing of shame.
>Ye have made your way from the worm to man, and much within you is still worm. Once were ye apes, and even yet man is more of an ape than any of the apes.
>Even the wisest among you is only a disharmony and hybrid of plant and phantom. But do I bid you become phantoms or plants?
>Lo, I teach you the Superman!
>The Superman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: The Superman SHALL BE the meaning of the earth!

The idea that Ubermenschen are actual historical or present day people that exist among us is not something anyone who has actually read Nietzsche believes. This is a misunderstanding cultivated from receiving Nietzsche entirely through 2nd or even 3rd hand accounts on the internet.

[Anonymous No.15191304]

>>15191242
What difference would it make if it was? So much less would have been acjieved without Rhodes there. Is he matched for any one man's efforts to revolutionise a portion if the empire? The Raj was more important but no one man made it the crown jewel in the Empire. Rhodes made the southern part of the continent what it eventually became.

[Anonymous No.15191984]

>>15189371
How would you become a Cecil Rhodes today? First you make fuck you money via the defense industry and then fund colonial expeditions out in the oceans/Africa?

[Anonymous No.15192438]

>>15190715
muh stable government. You /his/ nerds piss me off. Stability of government is the most boring consideration you could use to evaluate the greatness of a Great Man of history. It's like jacking off over putting together a really tedious jigsaw puzzle. Who gives a fuck. Every state failed eventually. You might as well just rate people based on how long they lived.

[Anonymous No.15192458]

>>15187339
>using a boring chad

[Anonymous No.15192850]

>>15192438
I actually agree but I said it because Nietzsche would likely have marked him down for being too wild. If you are reevaluating all values, you need something that will last millenia. Afterall the ubermensche is supposed to replace christ.

>>15191984
Basically this. Eric prince cpuld do ot maybe.

[Anonymous No.15193028]

Unironically, Lenin.

[Anonymous No.15194590]

>son of Bildungsbürgers, educated in the fine arts
>ran away and joined the fucking Legion Etranger, peak will to power
>the most decorated common German soldier of WWI
>his edgy diary became a bestseller
>both a reactionary and an anarchist, fucking minds on each side
>told the Nazis to fuck off since they appealed to the common man too much
>one of the leading herpetologists in the world
>coined the term psychonaut, was one of the early influences on the psychedelic movement
>died at the ripe age of 103, pissing libcucks off from beyond the grave
That´s not even a contest, OP. My boi Ernie would make NEET-Chan proud.