/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15181768]

how can one man be so based?
is he the anti-guenon(pbuh)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8f76kuGAY

[Anonymous No.15181782]

>>15181768
UG is the man. He is a force

[Anonymous No.15181797]

"Anything that is born out of this division in your consciousness is destructive, is violence. It is so because it is trying to protect not this living organism, not life, but the continuity of thought. And through that it can maintain the status quo of your culture, or whatever you want to call it, the society. The problems are neurological. If you give a chance to the body it will handle all those problems. But if you try to solve them on a psychological level or on an ethical level, you are not going to succeed"

[Anonymous No.15181800]

>>15181768
>self help guru of hardcore nihilistic modernism
yeah i say cringe

[Anonymous No.15181807]

>>15181800
>self help guru
Kill yourself immediately for that ridiculous slander. He wanted all gurus dead.
>nihilism
No, he would make nilihists shit themselves

[Anonymous No.15181822]

>>15181800
>self help guru!
>I'm so smart!
Watch the first minute and a half of the YouTube video linked retard

[Anonymous No.15181827]

>>15181768
Klagesian cringe

[Anonymous No.15181832]

>>15181807
>>15181822
ah, looks like u are not detached enough anons. u failed ur own master :)

>look mom since i lack a father figure so i'll take this pajeet as my self help guru

COPE fatherless manchilds

[Anonymous No.15181842]

>>15181832
>ah, looks like u are not detached enough anons. u failed ur own master :)
Detached? Nothing to be detached from, and where has he ever said that? He called India a shithole and would say all religions, gurus ruined mankind by preventing humanity from blossoming into something unique
>COPE fatherless manchilds
Is that you anon?

[Anonymous No.15181853]

>>15181842
i dont give a shit about what he says. why do you keep parroting what he said? because you are treating him as a self help guru. face it coward. you are the one who keeps posting and possibly made this thread. you made a thread to shill another man how much of a cuck can you be

[Anonymous No.15181867]

>>15181853
As a self help guru? I'm not OP, but this is an ambiguous statement, does that mean every philosopher posted on /lit/ is a self help guru? I'd say so because they want you to be transformed or convert you to a view point, U.G doesn't, U.G leads you nowhere, and there isn't a label to define him. Cope

[Anonymous No.15181870]

"U.G. points out that the roots of the present ecological crisis lie in the Judeo-Christian belief that the human species is superior to other species because it alone was created for a grand purpose, and that, therefore, it had the privilege of dominating and using the rest of nature. Hinduism and Buddhism also share a variant of this belief, the idea that birth as a human being is the most precious and highest form of birth. It is believed that in order to attain enlightenment or moksha even the gods have to be reborn as human beings. U.G. completely rejects this belief in the special status and superiority of the human species. He observes that the human species is not created for any grander purpose than the mosquito or the garden slug is. Our erroneous belief in our own superiority has been used to justify our extermination of other species, and has led to the environmental problem. What is in question is not just the kind of technology and the economic system we have, but the structure of belief and values which drive the technology and the economic system."

[Anonymous No.15181882]

>>15181867
>U.G doesn't
false. for how many decades is he preaching his ideas? he does want to spread a message even if that message refutes himself since he preaches the lack of meaning.

he is just a rhetorician materialist constantly self-refuting

[Anonymous No.15181896]

>>15181882
>false. for how many decades is he preaching his ideas?
He has none
>he does want to spread a message even if that message refutes himself since he preaches the lack of meaning.
Why does he trigger you so much? Pretty sure you're the same anon who gets triggered and spergs out about him without even knowing a single thing about him or his life. He never wanted to spread shit, he refused to write books, he refused copyright to the books written by friends of him. Again, you know nothing about this man.

[Anonymous No.15181904]

>>15181896
If he has no message, then what is he talking about?

[Anonymous No.15181919]

>>15181896
>he has none
lol he isnt the first materialist promoting nihilistic worldviews
>Again, you know nothing about this man.
i know he is a self help guru

while jordan peterson says: clearn your room
UG says: nature just want to recycle u
JP saying he is not a guru does not prove his point. both cater to a bunch of kids without a father figure to guide them in life

why doesn't UG simply go poo in the street and do nothing instead of giving interviews what a hypocrite

[Anonymous No.15181931]

>>15181904
Language is a bitch, very limiting and we run into a crossroads in language discussing U.G. If I said he has no message, and also said what he's trying to say is get lost and stay lost they would be ostensibly similar, but not really. See, then you'd call him "zen", or a Buddhist etc but he was wholly against that. With U.G it's facing your own death more or less if I had to describe his philosophy. Find out for yourself if you can handle it. It's not palatable

[Anonymous No.15181937]

>>15181931
MUHHH DEEP MYSTERIOUS SELF HELP GURUU OOooooOOOOooOoOoo

[Anonymous No.15181939]

>>15181919
>lol he isnt the first materialist promoting nihilistic worldviews
He's not doing that, you are trying to understand what he's saying, he's saying nothing. He would say "the only God you should worship is the money God" is that nihilism to you?
>while jordan peterson says: clearn your room UG says: nature just want to recycle u JP saying he is not a guru does not prove his point. both cater to a bunch of kids without a father figure to guide them in life
What a fool you are. I agree with the JP part though.

[Anonymous No.15181949]

I like U.G, simple and unpretentious almost like how I used to think when I was a child without spooks. I think the concept of meaning is shoved down our throats in western culture

[Anonymous No.15181951]

>>15181937
Tell me who is worth listening to

[Anonymous No.15181956]

>>15181939
if it's all just farts in the wind and language is an illusion why are you even bothering to respond

[Anonymous No.15181962]

>>15181951
no.

[Anonymous No.15181967]

>>15181956
Why not? That's simply redundant and unnecessary

[Anonymous No.15181980]

>>15181967
how did you and UG reach those conclusions? this kills every materialist

[Anonymous No.15181983]

>>15181949
U.G is the ultimate de-mystifying man. If you take him serious enough, who knows maybe you'll have all your spooks and pretensions shattered and maybe you'll actually see what's in front of you, or end up in the loony bin

[Anonymous No.15181984]

>>15181980
Stop overthinking yourself into spaghetti, you hurt your body

[Anonymous No.15182025]

>>15181870
>He observes

Compelling...

[Anonymous No.15182030]

>>15181931

Limiting indeed for moronic Phenomenologists.

[Anonymous No.15182039]

>>15182030
>phenomenology
U.G solved and finished that for good

[Anonymous No.15182063]

Now, this U. G. Krishnamurti missed Sri Ramana — and something great was happening. Almost like Buddha giving his flower to Mahakashyap, Sri Ramana giving a joke book to a man who is asking about God, or Ma Tzu giving a terrific kick in the pants. U. G. Krishnamurti missed Ramana. Then he missed J. Krishnamurti too. He lived for years with J. Krishnamurti.

Now, J. Krishnamurti is totally different in his expression, very logical, very rational. The beginning of his work is always with the mind; then slowly slowly he leads you beyond the mind, But there U. G. Krishnamurti thought it was all abstraction, philosophy. He stopped going there because “It is all abstraction.

” He left Sri Ramana because there was no philosophy. He left Krishnamurti because there was too much philosophy. In both the cases he missed.

And he lived with Sri Sivananda of Rishikesh for seven years doing yoga postures. There for seven years he thought, “Something is here.” And there was nothing! Sivananda is a very ordinary teacher. You can find dozens of them all around this country teaching people how to stand on their heads, teaching people stupid things. There he remained for seven years, became a disciple.

Now, he missed two pinnacles… and this is what goes on happening. You have a mind, a certain mind. When you go to a master, you look from your mind. If it fits, you are happy; you start clinging. But that is not going to help — because it fits, it will strengthen the same mind that you had brought with you. If by chance you come across a real master, nothing is going to fit. He is going to disrupt all your ideas about how a master should be; he is going to sabotage you.

He is going to take all expectations.

He is to frustrate you, he is to disappoint you in every possible way — because that is the only way real work can start. And if you still can be with him, then… then you are going to be awakened. Sleep is easy, cheap; awakening is arduous. You will have to renounce your dreams, and you will have to re-nounce much comfort, much convenience. You will have to renounce many ideas that you have always thought very valuable.

[Anonymous No.15182074]

theres something particularly pathetic in particular about this battle between ug and oshoposter. neither of you have the nuts to represent their respective philosophies with your own words, so you guys just post quotes and counterquotes all day. at least guenonfag knew his shit

[Anonymous No.15182085]

>>15182063
Osho was nothing man, he was like so many other, he got to a certain point and got "drunk" off it, he was a massive conman. UG pissed off Osho

>http://ug-k.blogspot.com/2007/04/encounter-if-you-are-searching-for.html?m=1

Former follower of Osho, a famous movie director from India, meets UG, leaves Osho, this continued to happen, Osho was very upset and started berating UG.

>The front office of the ashram had warned the sannyasi against seeing U.G. After they met U.G., many of Rajneesh's very close devotees had quit the ashram. I remember in those days, Rajneesh gave four talks against U.G., calling him all sorts of names. 'U.G., you have not said a word in response to the repeated attacks Rajneesh has been making on you of late. Why? I have also noticed that you don't say much against any particular guru,' I asked.

>His reply was unusual: Gurus play a social role. So do prostitutes. Unfortunately, in society, what the gurus are offering is not only socially acceptable but also considered the be-all and end-all of our existence. The others are not. You choose what suits you best...

[Anonymous No.15182313]

>>15181768
Isn't Susan Sontag a woman?

[Anonymous No.15182376]

>>15182313
Kek, not the greatest photo

[Anonymous No.15182391]

>>15181807

Yea but how did he feel about niggers?
Or degeneration of races and downfalls of IQ ? Preposterous notion that nothing need change. Perhaps he could say that when living in the forest, but he dont.

[Anonymous No.15182399]

>>15181870

>Our erroneous belief in our own superiority has been used to justify our extermination of other species,

>our extermination of other species

Seems pretty superior to me

[Anonymous No.15182472]

>>15182391
Don't take what he said too literal there is nuance. https://youtube.com/watch?v=3B43XCyTfrg
>>15182399
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dh8STH518XY

[Anonymous No.15182473]

Retroactively refuted

[Anonymous No.15182482]

>>15182473
Yes. U.G retroactively refuted everyone

[Anonymous No.15182494]

Thread full of info on U.G
>>/lit/thread/S15038991

[Anonymous No.15182540]

Wait. What does UG mean when he says that some kind of thoughts only reinforces the model of society? I know he is not up to anything modeled so to speak, but imagine if all people behaved in the exact manner he says in his books (yeah he says nothing and people would live like that without saying anything). What can you tell me about it OP? I think he has a point, specially about the current way and mentality of basically homogenized societies, but he seems to miss a lot with this detour.

[Anonymous No.15182604]

>>15182540
>Wait. What does UG mean when he says that some kind of thoughts only reinforces the model of society?
All of thought does, what you call "you" is thought, when U.G says you see nothing, he means you are viewing the world through thought, you are not actually seeing what is front of you, you are in psychosis unbeknownst to you refer to >>15181797 and https://youtube.com/watch?v=dh8STH518XY.. Also, refer to his statements on his natural state, his views on thinking, thought which you can do via google, or YouTube which has a plethora or videos of him. He had a woman who was fascinated with U.G, she would somewhat act as a caretaker of him and she would (mostly without his consent) record him
>inb4 Advanta fag comes and says noooo bro you are awareness!
You are aware of awareness which is the trap of the world, you are still separate from the life around you. As U.G would say "when you are finished with Advanta you are finished with everything"

[Anonymous No.15182662]

>>15182604
Ok but answer me. What would happen if we stopped seeing the world through thought?
Aware of awareness is not the awareness of which you are aware.

[Anonymous No.15182669]

>>15182540
>but imagine if all people behaved in the exact manner he says in his books
That is impossible, for what U.G let's say stumbled upon is extremely rare. First off, he was fully himself, he was a blossomed flower, totally unadulterated by culture/society/the choking like function of thought. He was 1 in a many 100s of millions >>15181983

[Anonymous No.15182681]

>>15182662
Thoughtless state is impossible, U.G categorically denied this, if that happened you'd be a wild animal, he did say it was possible to "de clutch" yourself from the strangle hold of thought or the self "I" which he goes in depth on you find these on YouTube. Lot of info in this thread and >>15182494

[Anonymous No.15182691]

>>15181768
Thought this was a pic of Susan Sontag when I was scrolling past lmao

[Anonymous No.15182755]

>>15182691
It's the photo doesn't look like him much

[Anonymous No.15182858]

>>15182681
Yeah that is called selfless compassion, this is the closest you can get to pure awareness.

[Anonymous No.15182958]

Isn’t thought the foundation upon which he blathers?

[Anonymous No.15183794]

>>15181768
>uGAY

[Anonymous No.15185423]

>>15183794
ugay

[Anonymous No.15185433]

>>15183794
>>15185423
based

[Anonymous No.15185557]

>>15182958
Hes just saying don't be autistic

[Anonymous No.15185571]

UG is the one philosopher I found through /lit/ who I'm actually really happy with.

I do find a lot of value in zen meditation, but UG has an important message about not getting caught up in all the bullshit, to live life directly, as it is.

[Anonymous No.15185576]

>>15185433
Urgay faggot

[Anonymous No.15185590]

>>15185571
U.G is the man truly

[Anonymous No.15185902]

>>15181956
Appeal to hypocrisy. lame and tired attempt

[Anonymous No.15186511]

>>15185902
Based

[Anonymous No.15187170]

>>15185571
U.G tells how it is

[Anonymous No.15187307]

>>15181768
We are always talking about thought and thinking. What is thought? Have you ever looked at thought, let along controlling thought; let alone manipulating thought; let alone using that thought for achieving something material or otherwise? You cannot look at your thought, because you cannot separate yourself from thought and look at it. There is no thought apart from the knowledge you have about those thoughts -- the definitions you have. So if somebody asks you the question, "what is thought?" any answer you have is the answer that is put in there -- the answers that others have already given.

You have, through combinations and permutations of ideation and mentation about thoughts, created your own thoughts which you call your own. Just as when you mix different colors, you can create thousands of pastel colors, but basically all of them can be reduced to only seven colors that you find in nature. What you think is yours is the combination and permutation of all those thoughts, just the way you have created hundreds and hundreds of pastel colors. You have created your own ideas. That is what you call thinking. When you want to look at thought, what there is is only whatever you know about thought. Otherwise you can't look at thought. There is no thought other than what there is in what you know about thought. That's all that I am saying. So when that is understood the meaninglessness of the whole business of wanting to look at thought comes to an end. What there is is only what you know, the definitions given by others. And out of those definitions, if you are very intelligent and clever enough, you create your own definitions. That's all.

When you look at an object the knowledge you have about that object comes into your head. There is an illusion that thought is something different from objects, but it is you who creates the object. The object may be there, but the knowledge you have about that object is all that you know. Apart from that knowledge and independent of that knowledge, free from that knowledge, you have no way of knowing anything about it. You have no way of directly experiencing anything. The word "directly" does not mean that there is any other way of experiencing things other than the way you are experiencing things now. The knowledge you have about it is all that is there and that is what you are experiencing. Really, you do not know what it is.

In exactly the same way, when you want to know something about thought, or experience thought, it is the same process that is in operation there. There is no inside or outside. What there is is only the operation, the flow of the knowledge. So you cannot actually separate yourself from thought and look at it.

[Anonymous No.15187315]

>>15187307
So when such a question is thrown at you, what should happen is [the realization] that none of the answers have any meaning, because all that is acquired and taught. So that movement stops. There is no need for you to answer the question. There is no need for you to know anything about it. All that you know comes to a halt. It has no momentum any more. It slows down, and then it dawns upon you that it is meaninglessness to try to answer that question, because it has no answer at all. The answers that others have given are there. So you have nothing to say on that thing called thought, because all you can say is what you have gathered from other sources. You have no answer of your own.

[Anonymous No.15187806]

>>15187315
>>15187307
Based...

[Anonymous No.15187827]

>>15181768
he looks like an old woman, I'm not going to listen to someone who looks like a grandma but has a dick.

[Anonymous No.15187832]

>>15187827
That's an extremely duplicitous photo. Doesn't look like him really

[Anonymous No.15187846]

>>15187832
he still has a low T face and reading this thread has made it obvious he's some low T atheist midwit.

[Anonymous No.15187882]

>>15187846
U.G is the ultimate filter. He called atheism another religion, he was not an atheist faggot

[Anonymous No.15187911]

>>15187882
>He called atheism another religion
holy cringe, this guy says typical atheist-egomaniac shit and you think he's some kind of genius.

[Anonymous No.15187936]

>>15187911
Filtered

[Anonymous No.15187970]

So is this guy some kind of materialist fundamentalist or something? Someone give me a quick rundown before I decide to actually read his work

[Anonymous No.15187984]

>>15187970
He's an ordinary man is the best definition, I wouldn't call him a materialist, monist, nomanalist etc he will destroy "you" info here >>15182494 and scroll through thread here

[Anonymous No.15188063]

>>15182669
>political conscious is all that we are lef twith. But the religious peoples re still trying to talk in terms of the divine ....
>Gorbachev is a traitor to ... communism. Millions of people ahave died fot the cause .... and if he is look to the West for the solutions to his problems there is something wrong."
>"The West is not in a condition to offer anything except McDonald's . . . or Pepsi Cola . . . Pepsi Cola . .. has conquered Russia [and China]"
Kruschev being gobsmacked by Coca Cola, to the point of organizing its black market importation is incredibly apropos of UG.

>>15185590
>thought sphere . . . passe don to us from generation to generation
"You are a chain of becoming reaching into deep antiquity."
-- "thought sphere" = The Will To Power, very much as intended

[Anonymous No.15188757]

>>15188063
>You are a chain of becoming reaching into deep antiquity."
>-- "thought sphere" = The Will To Power, very much as intended
Very nice

[Anonymous No.15188800]

>>15181768
>15 minutes of "I know nothing"

Deep

[Anonymous No.15188835]

>>15188800
OH RATIONAL MAN

[Anonymous No.15189457]

>>15188800
Very deep analysis

[Anonymous No.15190140]

Based

[Anonymous No.15190221]

>>15188835

I suppose he was right in trivializing himself since the totality of his knowledge is practically null.

[Anonymous No.15190378]

>>15190221