/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15164364]

Books that examine the disconnect between Marxist theorists and the proletariat?

[Anonymous No.15164735]

>>15164364
Meh i know what you mean but it´s weird.

We just dont have any real data just decade old naratives.
The idea that you have to impersonate some inbred racist to get poor people into socialist politics is equally retarted
as leftist purity politics itself.

We just dont know which groups exists today.
There are no real unified groups i could point to besides economic special lobby interest groups so there´s that.

[Anonymous No.15164801]

>>15164735
>real data
daily reminder that commies and socialists are the original fusion of scientism and politics

[Anonymous No.15164808]

>>15164364
the proletariat are dumb

[Anonymous No.15164811]

>>15164801
their "science" is flat out wrong. i guess you're onto something

[Anonymous No.15164830]

>>15164364
"Der Jargon der Weltoffenheit" by Frank Böckelmann

[Anonymous No.15164846]

[Anonymous No.15164864]

the road to wigan pier by george orwell

[Anonymous No.15164919]

>>15164364
Simone Weil

[Anonymous No.15164954]

>>15164364
None. Marx was right about everything. It is the proletariat that is disconnected from the proletariat.

[Anonymous No.15165028]

it's a real mystery

[Anonymous No.15165040]

>>15164364
the Communist Manifesto is a primary source which attempts to bridge that gap. given how many of its demands, such as central banks and income taxes, are now articulated as a matter of faith by the proles, i'd say it did a pretty good job

[Anonymous No.15165054]

>>15165028
>poor racist people cant be solidaric with other poor people cause they racist
>this proves racism right

you are some special kind of stupid are ya??

[Anonymous No.15165103]

>>15165054
when did racism become an original sin? when exactly was this year zero?

[Anonymous No.15165135]

[Anonymous No.15165142]

>government spending for designed for the specific of maintaining capitalism is now socialism
Why is our political discourse so fucking incoherent?

[Anonymous No.15165150]

>>15165103
Yeah, that is certainly something that needs to be rethought! I am pretty sure it began as a soviet propaganda technique.

[Anonymous No.15165151]

>>15165135
bait

[Anonymous No.15165155]

>>15165135
How is that fellow the working class?

[Anonymous No.15165164]

>>15165155
is this a serious question

[Anonymous No.15165190]

>>15164735
>We just dont know which groups exists today.
We do though.

[Anonymous No.15165197]

>>15165164
If you can't answer it maybe you should be doing less posting and more thinking or researching.

[Anonymous No.15165226]

>>15165197
it appears that he sells his labor to mr noseberg in exchange for shekels. there is no reason to assume that he is a landlord. if this good ol' boy is not working class, there is no such thing

[Anonymous No.15165236]

>>15165190
dios mio, el abomination...

[Anonymous No.15165247]

>>15165054
>>15164735
liberalism has fused with corporate power and into a totalitarian hegemonic monoculture. The permissive ethic is a denial of virtue ethics which can only lead to a culture of narcissism. Any resistance to the current state of things against the power of mass media and the therapeutic managerial state will by necessity seem 'reactionary' by liberal standards. Liberalism denies any sense of continuity(as vico would have it, the burial of the dead and the blessing of sexual relations through marriage that allows for the writing of history). Its vision of freedom, mostly restricted to sexual freedom, can only lead to an atomised consumer culture.

The marxist left has been totally unable to cope with globalisation and technological change. even Marx was a technophile and liberal individualist who underestimated the extent to which contemporary resistance to capitalism was driven by 'petty bourgeoisie' artisan resistance to mass society.the failed campaigns of Corbyn and Sanders were led by old men, sabotaged every step of the way by vested interests, a desperate saving throw by a left unsure of its identity.compare the social democrats of the early 20th century who thought it was enough for them to get 51% of the vote and establish socialism by decree. But at least the mass parties of european social democracy had mass mechanisms of integration and socialisation. The left is ultimately a machine that mobilises masses for banal electoral and consumer purposes, they want docile therapeutic, institutionalised subjects, not self reliant independent thinkers

[Anonymous No.15165250]

>>15164846
>>15164846
is there an english edition?

[Anonymous No.15165260]

>>15165054
I mean why do corporations place such an emphasis on 'diversity and inclusion' training couldn't it be they are trying deliberately to demoralise their subjects, likewise colleges are demoralisation factories they don't even pretend to teach anymore.

[Anonymous No.15165270]

>>15165226
>it appears that he sells his labor to mr noseberg in exchange for shekels.
Does it?

[Anonymous No.15165333]

>>15165155
Bad teeth. But not British.

[Anonymous No.15165496]

>>15165333
>there are no working class people who are British

[Anonymous No.15165896]

>>15165103
Right around the time that people in the US had actual slaves which they tortured to produce labor value

[Anonymous No.15165916]

Das Kapital

[Anonymous No.15166079]

>>15165916
"Capital" by Marx IS the biggest thing holding back the working class and the reason why capitalism continues marching onward. Marx ruined socialism.

[Anonymous No.15166217]

>>15165496
Britain’s working class is all brown.

[Anonymous No.15166226]

>>15166217
and Americas isn't?

>56%

[Anonymous No.15166234]

>>15166226
You've had a black president, we're still not that close to having a black king or queen or even prime minister. Closer but not that close.

[Anonymous No.15166271]

>>15165247
I'm just replying to let you know I didn't read your essay

[Anonymous No.15166277]

>>15166234
I hear they’re going to have Oprah Winfrey play Queen Elizabeth in an upcoming BBC drama series. Eddie Murphy plays Henry VIII in his Klump suit.

[Anonymous No.15166287]

>>15164364
It's a recent split, you'd have to read about the history of the southern strategy and then propaganda of the cold war

[Anonymous No.15166297]

>>15166277
I would watch the shit out of that

[Anonymous No.15166300]

>>15166226
Obviously not.

[Anonymous No.15166301]

>>15166277
That disgusts me... after what Eddie Murphy did to our national treasure Scary Spice...

[Anonymous No.15166312]

>>15164364
Althusser and Gramsci and good starting points. They're both Marxists, but they examine just the disconnect you're asking about.

[Anonymous No.15166316]

>>15166297
No kidding. What are the BBC fucking doing?

>>15166226
The lumpenprole in >>15165135 is pretty albino.

[Anonymous No.15166340]

>>15165270
he's clearly a manual laborer at some kind of oil site you retard

[Anonymous No.15166346]

>>15166079
I tend to agree. Whether he was right or wrong, the popularization of scientific socialism was a strategic blunder that the movement hasn't recovered from.

[Anonymous No.15166351]

>>15166340
So is the pick up the communist t-shirt man's?

[Anonymous No.15166357]

>>15165333
kek nice

[Anonymous No.15166364]

>>15166351
the "pick up?"

[Anonymous No.15166377]

look at the concept of vanguardism. it's talked about extensively in marxist writings

[Anonymous No.15166386]

>>15165028
>risks
dystopic

[Anonymous No.15166412]

>>15166364
Oh dear, someone's a little out of touch with the working man ;^)

[Anonymous No.15166428]

>>15166412
I'm a different guy than you're replying to, I'm just trying to follow your conversation

[Anonymous No.15166469]

>>15166351
do you think owning a pickup means you arent a prole? What the fuck are you even saying

[Anonymous No.15166546]

>>15165054
>>this proves racism right
what is 'right'? what is racism to you? different groups of people exist and when you shove them together they not only remain different but become polarised and hateful, which conveniently is good for controlling all. no person who lives in a homogenous community hates the other. the most hospital, open-minded and curious person in the world is one who lives in a homogenous nation and ignores the media (hate-peddlers).

that's not even what's happening here though. simply put only whites the world over care about social justice and unionisation and are critical about politics. everyone else prefers and has literal dictatorships or one party states and considers anyone not born into connections/wealth or able to get them to be rightfully inferior and deserving of their place. there is no understanding of what unions are or the political history, let alone agreement with them (which they would not). in my (western) country all immigrants, if they vote at all, vote for the most neoliberal of neoliberals that say they can benefit their group and likely can given that most of the native whites are poorer. only whites attach themselves to ideologies or states, everyone else will colonise wherever they go and keep a strong family, doesn't matter what word games you use. so neoliberalism is fine if not ideal for these, they're not naive and don't get mind-virused, they're selfish and readily successful in such a system.

[Anonymous No.15166560]

>>15166546
>hospital
hospitable*

[Anonymous No.15166759]

>>15165250
Nope, there is a french and a turkish one afaik, i guess there probably a polish and russian too because he was polish and write most of his works in russian.

[Anonymous No.15166773]

>>15166312
Althusser is the most disconnected, theory-cucked Marxist of the 20th century. You really think he knows what it's like to do a single day of manual labour?

[Anonymous No.15166783]

>>15166546
>only whites attach themselves to ideologies or state

Someone typed this without a hint of irony.

[Anonymous No.15166794]

Manufacturing Consent.

[Anonymous No.15166869]

>>15164364
The Culture of Critique

[Anonymous No.15166906]

>>15166546
>in my fantasy land imagination

[Anonymous No.15166923]

>>15164364
Honestly a shit tonne of third positionist literature will mention it. Haven't read a whole book about it, but definitely seen a chapter here or there

[Anonymous No.15166941]

People who are stuck in a cycle of abuse usually can't think rationally, Marxism is a high vibration ideology, most of the proletariat are stuck in a low vibration state in the same way victims of rape are.

[Anonymous No.15166966]

>>15165054
>Proves racism right
Racism isn't an ideology to be proved. It's an inbuilt natural function of literally anything because the propagation of people with similar genes to you is genetically desirable. No wonder you fucks never get anything done. If you want to try and remove it, whatever, but you've got to work from a starting point that, you know, actually exists?

[Anonymous No.15167011]

>>15166941
Marxists, this is why you should have told those new age hippies to fuck off as soon as they started regurgitating barely coherent versions of your talking points

[Anonymous No.15167031]

>>15167011
you sound like you have some really low vibrations bro

[Anonymous No.15167051]

>>15167031
You sound like you have some really high vibrations up your ass you smelly hippy cunt

[Anonymous No.15167060]

>>15166966
Racism is a social construct.

[Anonymous No.15167067]

>>15166941
pure ideology

[Anonymous No.15167080]

>>15167051
yeesh I can even smell the low vibrations off of you, smells like you pooped yourself with your low vibration holoprosencephaly looking ass

[Anonymous No.15167273]

>>15167060
>x is social construct
What is that even supposed to mean? How does this explain that racism is a moral failing? Did you just finish your first year of college and that's where you learned that phrase?

[Anonymous No.15167399]

>>15167273
You're saying racism is natural or instinctual when it's simply not. Therefore it's a social construct. You seem pretty spooked. Perhaps instead of reading Ben Shapiro you could read some Stirner?

[Anonymous No.15167426]

>>15167399
>My landscaper is nice to me therefore he wouldn’t gas me.

[Anonymous No.15167439]

>>15167060
society is a racial construct.

[Anonymous No.15167448]

>>15167060
Ingroup vs outgroup dynamics is hardwired into our brain. how that relates to race is complex, but to dismiss it as just a social construct is reductive.

[Anonymous No.15167481]

>>15167060
No, it's not.

[Anonymous No.15167533]

>>15167273
Stupid people think that something being a social construct (i.e., something that only has meaning in the context of human society and doesn't exist outside of it) means it's arbitrary. Money is a social construct (the concept would be meaningless to a hermit in the woods), but it obeys objective laws (supply/demand, etc.). Gender is a to some extent a social construct (there is some variation in gender roles across societies), but overwhelmingly determined by biological sex and not arbitrary. Racism is the social manifestation of basic biological human instinct. Etc.

[Anonymous No.15167542]

>>15165150
How do you account for racially motivated arrests using these statistics?
The argument you're trying to make is based upon the idea that you're equally likely to be arrested for a crime regardless of which race you are, which would obviously not be true after only 1-2 years iteration witht those statistics.
There's also an unstated assumption that all, or at least a majorly significant amount of crimes are correctly reported and filed.

[Anonymous No.15167576]

>>15167542
what evidence is there that a significant subset of these arrests are racially motivated?

[Anonymous No.15167620]

>>15167576
I don't really need evidence for this one. Even ignoring humanity's tribalistic tendencies, iterating with the crime statistics that show a disproportionate amount of black crime, you can assume that some significant percentage of law enforcement officials will interpret these statistics and use them, consciously or otherwise, to inform their decisions.

[Anonymous No.15167648]

>>15167542
yeah it is just racist statistics, Detroit and Flint are actually safe places

[Anonymous No.15167660]

>>15166941
once you get down to it a psychosexual explanation of politics makes way more sense than materialist or marxist explanations, right wing ideology is for alpha male dominant chads, left wing ideology is for sexually submissive bpd art thots, basedboys, faggots betamales and trannies,

[Anonymous No.15167676]

>>15167620
ockham's razor suggests that niggers are over-represented in crime statistics because niggers commit more crime. if you want to go with "muh racist police" instead, then the burden of proof is on you. so yes, you do need evidence, if you want anyone else to drink that kool-aid.

[Anonymous No.15167679]

>>15164735

[Anonymous No.15167718]

>>15167648
Not an argument. Please try harder.
I made no claims on safety anywhere whatsoever. If you really believe in this, it wouldn't hurt you at all to find a good response to this simple criticism of the limits of the presented statistics.
>>15167676
I'm trying to make the argument function on less assumptions, not more. It wouldn't hurt you to figure out how Occam's Razor actually works before typing it and a million buzzwords as a supposition for an argument.

[Anonymous No.15167761]

>>15167718
is it even possible for there to be a disparity in outcome in this fake and gay communist diverstopia which is not automatically attributed to racism or some other 'ism'? is evidence EVER required?

[Anonymous No.15167856]

>>15167761
I don't know if you noticed, but instead of undercutting the whole set of statistics as BS I simply asked about the limitations of the presented statistics. I was hoping you might be able to provide some further form of insight on this basic critique of the presented evidence.
Given that the intended conclusion of the presented data was that blacks are more dangerous than any other ethnic minority in the US, surely you are begging the question. I have made no moral suppositions or judgements on racism in this thread at all and would prefer it if you could just answer the fucking question.

[Anonymous No.15167890]

>>15167856
>blacks are more dangerous than any other ethnic minority in the US,
Every single group in the US knows this is true including White Progressives and blacks themselves

[Anonymous No.15167919]

>>15167620
I consider myself both a progressive, in the old Woodrow Wilson sense of the term, at once an American patriot, an advocate in foreign matters of muscular internationalism, a believer in advancement for the biological and cognitive outliers in the darker races and a philantropic improvement of backwards nations, but ultimately I consider myself a white supremacist and a race realist, not out of ressentment but, out of simple respect for the Truth. Negroes, like the lumpenized mongrel landraces that once formed the backbone of the american middle and working classes, have been failed by their by their racial betters. I have come to the conclusion like Genovese for example, that marxist critique or 'anti racism' can only get so far as a means of solving either either the negro or the low born white question in America. I call upon a restoration of American life to its former splendor, and to do so one must remember to pay homage to old dixie, the calvinist faith and the paternalistic virtues of the old southern gentry at its finest. Leftists may bring up the saccharine rotten hippie so called ''virtues'' of love and peace, while presenting a living image of sin and absolute depravity at their most unsightly. High IQ leftists of any race are failing their lessers out of indolence.

[Anonymous No.15167964]

>>15167890
>it's true because I know it is
>I can't argue this effectively but trust me, I have polled 100% of the US population and they all say it
Come on, really? You can't even spit me out something simple like year on year x% of the law enforcement officers who read the crime statistics increase their arrests on blacks by some y% that could be assumed to be proportional to (black crime)/(total crime)?
>>15167919
>racism as God
Fascinating. Particularly incredible to invoke IQ when you can't even deal with the limitations of statistics. You would believe anything in an image on the internet if it furthered your existing beliefs.

[Anonymous No.15167973]

>>15167856
you're the one who claims you don't need evidence. how about you answer the fucking question, for those who do

[Anonymous No.15167992]

>>15167964
No because you don't actually care, you just dont want to admit the extremely obvious fact that they commit more crime. You will at least act as though you believe this though when you choose where to live and send your kids to school and so on.

[Anonymous No.15168000]

>>15167679
truly /ourguy/

[Anonymous No.15168001]

>>15167973
I gave an argument by induction, it should hold up as long as the US has at least 1 year with a national crime statistic record and another year for the results to make an effect on society.

[Anonymous No.15168028]

>>15167992
Continuing to assert your hypothesis as a fact does not make it a fact, no matter how much you try.
And nice try, but neither of us have kids.

[Anonymous No.15168040]

>>15168028
Your theory is that whites murder just as much as blacks but this is somehow hidden from everybody through racism. This doesnt even deserve to be responded to

[Anonymous No.15168041]

>>15165247
You should really get some passing familiarity with the political terminology you're employing before writing such self indulgent paragraphs.

[Anonymous No.15168101]

>>15168040
My criticism, not a hypothesis or a theory, is that the evidence provided causes a feedback loop which increases the arrests made against blacks regardless of how many crimes are committed. That you aren't willing to make any concession to this argument shows how dogmatic and weak your way of thinking is, as if any concession or admission of weakness in the argument or statistics is a crime in and of itself.

[Anonymous No.15168107]

>>15168001
in order for your "proof" by induction to be valid you would still require a base case where blacks commit more crime in order for your racist police to work it in to their model

[Anonymous No.15168114]

>>15168101
>regardless of how many crimes are committed
Right you're asserting that there are just all these murders by whites floating around that are pushed under the rug.

[Anonymous No.15168163]

>>15168114
Are you asserting that the police never make mistakes or poor decisions in their line of work? Also worth considering which cases are followed up and considered solved.
>>15168107
Base case is the hypothesis itself.

[Anonymous No.15168186]

>>15168163
Do you or do you not believe that blacks commit way more murder than whites? Do you honestly think the murder rate is the same but the white murders are simply not solved? How do you square this with there being way fewer murders in total in white areas? Are whites travelling to black cities to do their murders there and then running back home?

[Anonymous No.15168218]

>>15165155
Because Republicans say so, duh.

[Anonymous No.15168219]

>>15165247
Based from me

[Anonymous No.15168228]

>>15168163
their job largely consists of filling in paperwork to prove they're not being racist because that is the primary metric in weimerica by which their performance is evaluated. solving crimes is WAY down the list

[Anonymous No.15168238]

>>15168186
>Do you or do you not believe that blacks commit way more murder than whites?
I live in a peaceful town with an extremely small minority population, my only way of verifying is to assess presented information.
If the feedback loop has been going for a significant period of time, how can the numbers be trustworthy in the first place?
>>15168228
This would suggest a larger number of misattributed cases based on previous national crime statistics.

[Anonymous No.15168247]

>>15168238
>>15168238
>I live in a peaceful town with an extremely small minority population
Imagine that. Why don't you move to a majority black city and see what the deal is, since you are so wary of statistics.

[Anonymous No.15168255]

>>15165197
>hard hat
>pipe wrench
>dirty over-alls

[Anonymous No.15168271]

>>15168238
is not your "racist police" hypothesis the product of a feedback loop which begins (fallaciously) with "all outcomes should be equal"?

[Anonymous No.15168317]

>>15168271
No, see below.
>>15168247
Correlative statistics are a poor indicator of proof, and simply by reversing the correlation I find a valid counter argument. The logic binding the two should hence be sound and the limitations of the conclusion available to be drawn from the correlation should be accounted for if the conclusion is to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.15168351]

Raymond Aron's The Opium of the Intellectuals

[Anonymous No.15168368]

>>15165247
Good answer

>>15166271
>>15168041
SEETHING

[Anonymous No.15168369]

>>15164364
Quiet flow the Don by mikhail sholokhov my fren. Enjoy/

[Anonymous No.15168371]

>>15168317
>Correlative statistics are a poor indicator of proof, and simply by reversing the correlation I find a valid counter argument.
If you are simply saying it's impossible to measure murder rates well then ok have fun with that. If youre saying that any such measures are wrong and that therefore by reversing them you will reach the right conclusion you are honestly operating below the intelligence of a sea squirt, which will at least not actively be retarded

Anyway this discussion is pointless, I would have a better time getting a Christian to admit God is not real than getting you to admit the extremely obvious fact of back violence.

[Anonymous No.15168420]

>>15168371
Statistics presented: race vs recorded crimes committed by members of race in each category.
Correlation: blacks have more recorded crimes than other races
Given conclusion (x causes y): blacks commit more crimes than whites
Alternative conclusion (y causes x): blacks are recorded for more crimes than whites

A better conclusion can be drawn by accounting for both correlations. Your complete, resounding failure to produce any argument or evidence for the latter that backs up your original conclusion weakens your overall argument.

[Anonymous No.15168445]

>>15168420
True. I also think that 80 year old women commit as much crime as 20 year old men, it's just that the latter are recorded for more crimes.

If you cant provide any evidence showing this is not true, that really weakens your argument.

[Anonymous No.15168457]

>>15168218
b-b-but there aren't enough labor laws... the free market is impoverishing us all... it couldn't be that Europe and Asia actually have significantly more free markets than the US and it's the US (and also the UK really) that's the real Communist shithole, could it? Impossible.

[Anonymous No.15168463]

>>1516827
>>15167964

leftists , like other secularists, rely on implicit and unconscious political theologies, they are too theologically illiterate to even realise they are thinking theologically. they may say iq is inaccurate and then turn around and say leftists are smarter because they have higher IQ. Present day American leftists are obviously degenerated iteration of many historical trends. Endless corporate sponsored civic pop culture reenactments of the civil rights movement the gay movement the woman's movement, the judicial agitprop of the TV showtrial and Saturday Night Live. the elitist liberalism of Mencken and Lippman has been degraded to the absolute boomer prolefeed of washington post factchecks, the daily show, etc. American politics is an extension of its celebrity culture. The right might as well be sadistic clowns and, autonomic simulacra serving hedge fund interests, but at least they are entertaining, donald trump is a nakedly sadean and phallic character, leftists on the other hand are cloying hypocrites devoid of real sadistic eroticism, this is like chosing between the full faustian intensity of the death drive and a sterile obese cat lady with a vibrator

[Anonymous No.15168473]

>>15168317
as i understand it, your claim is that any disparity from Equal Outcomes leads automatically to a feedback loop in which the discovery of these disparities by the institution of the police is bound, for reasons you speculate are due to racism, to magnify them. it just so happens that the collection of data on crime and race began with blacks being arrested at a higher rate than any other racial group, and police factoring this into their model has exacerbated these data points ever since. for this reason, you believe that data displaying crime statistics by race does not demonstrate anything at all other than evidence for the continued existence of this feedback loop and its impact on collected data. is this a fair summary?

[Anonymous No.15168494]

>>15168218
What's the source of this?

[Anonymous No.15168543]

>>15168473
leftists believe in equal outcomes because they substituted the family and the God for the institution, justifying its divine right circularly because the institution is to leftists the only means through which 'equal outcomes' might be brought about. Hence leftists are not fond of the black church or the black family, just like they are actively hostile to the white church and the white family, the atomised individual can only attain self realisation through consumer products or and a make work 'career' in the credential managerial hierarchy of do gooders.

[Anonymous No.15168605]

>>15168351
thank you

[Anonymous No.15168683]

>>15164364
https://marxists.catbull.com/archive/marx/works/1879/09/18.htm#3

[hungryman !!5BI0oSV9uvS No.15168700]

>>15164364
One would be Marx himself. He actually says the vanguards of the revolution are the petit bourgeoisie who are declining and in fear of becoming the proletariat themselves.

[Anonymous No.15168733]

>>15168700
No he doesn't.

[Anonymous No.15168981]

>>15168700
So Marxism is a petit bourgeois movement according to Marx? I thought it was about the proletariat emancipating themselves for themselves.

[Anonymous No.15169274]

>>15166773
Possibly, but his work directly addresses why working class people largely didn't (and haven't) become Marxists.

[Anonymous No.15169302]

>>15166966
>the propagation of people with similar genes to you is genetically desirable
This isn't true though. Genetic variability is the preference because it means the group will likely survive some catastrophe (e.g. a virus). Inasmuch as humanity has a drive divorced from acculturation (a premise I'm not entirely comfortable with), it would be toward greater difference.

[Anonymous No.15169310]

>>15167660
>right wing ideology is for alpha male dominant chads
If this were true, it wouldn't be such a clarion call to incels and other non-chads.

[Anonymous No.15169316]

>>15169302
not all genetic variability is created equally

[Anonymous No.15169317]

>>15167676
Actually, Occam's Razor would specify that they're over represented because they are arrested more. Anything else is at least a layer of explanation too far.

[Anonymous No.15169328]

>>15169310
incels unironically want the government to give them gfs, how is that right wing

[Anonymous No.15169364]

>>15169316
Variability itself bulwarks against any internal or external factors. We're getting hopelessly teleological, but variability within a population will always be better for facing internal and external threats to that population. If racism is natural (in that it's ingrained or our socializing itself constitutes something natural—nurture is nature), then it is built on something other than genetics, unless we have a "I want to be safe" gene, but even then the gene would need an entire history of outgroup violence to work.

[Anonymous No.15169371]

>>15169328
Why are incels overwhelming turning to the right wing then?

[Anonymous No.15169412]

>>15169364
>even then the gene would need an entire history of outgroup violence to work.
>an entire history of outgroup violence
so...human history for the past few millions years

[Anonymous No.15169415]

>>15166773
that's unfair, strangling your wife counts as physical labor

[Anonymous No.15169418]

>>15169371
theyre not, they even complain about white men being privileged like progressives

[Anonymous No.15169609]

>>15169302
No I mean acting in a way that causes your family to succeed is beneficial to you from a genetic standpoint. And after your immediate family, your cousin's. After them, second cousins. All the way up to ethnic group, then race, then humanity, then maybe earth-based life forms after we communicate with aliens. The closer something is to you genetically, the more you benefit from them reproducing

[Anonymous No.15170065]

>>15169609
>The closer something is to you genetically, the more you benefit from them reproducing
Unless something environmental comes along your group has no resistance too and you all die.

[Anonymous No.15170811]

>>15164364
Marxist purists are annoying. As if what Marx wrote shouldn't be built on or modified.

[Anonymous No.15170835]

>>15167919
Holy... Based

[Anonymous No.15171427]

>>15165247
Thats cool and all but you forgot one thing
*cracks knuckles*
That wasnt real leftism
*sips soilent*

[Anonymous No.15172343]

>>15170811
People who write this rarely give any examples of what should be "built" or modified, and if they do it turns out they're retards who don't even understand Marx but are very eager to "enrich" him.

[Anonymous No.15172365]

>>15164364
Prussianism and Socialism by Oswald Spengler

[Anonymous No.15173826]

orwell

[Anonymous No.15173833]

>>15172343
pathetic purist cope...it's like if someone insulted their mom

[Anonymous No.15174067]

>>15169371
They’re not. The majority of Incels are left wing “allies” or male feminists hoping to get laid by being “nice.”

[Anonymous No.15175314]

>>15172343
Probably the whole tradition of what's considered "western marxism"

Material and social conditions have changed since the 19th century.

[Anonymous No.15175432]

>>15175314
Okay Foucault.

[Anonymous No.15175490]

>>15173833
>purist cope
Nice buzzwords.

>>15175314
>Material and social conditions
More buzzwords. You morons can't write a single concrete thing because your brains are just this empty.

[Anonymous No.15175510]

>>15175490
"material and social conditions" are buzzwords? What, for the last two centuries?

[Anonymous No.15176109]

>>15172365
this