/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15156344]

Are you for or against free market capitalism?

[Anonymous No.15156353]

>>15156344
It doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.15156355]

>>15156344
don't care just get rid of the fuckin ads I will not let them exert this untold power

[Anonymous No.15156357]

I like owning things so imma have to be for.

[Anonymous No.15156360]

>>15156344
I fixed it for you capitalism is first.
>Is free market capitalism for or against you?

[Anonymous No.15156361]

>(((Freedom)))
Eww
>(((Markets)))
Eww
>(((Capitalism)))
Ewww

Who the fuck would support this shit?

[Anonymous No.15156368]

>>15156344
I'm against central planning. All you do is socialize mistakes.

Leave it for individuals to freely interact with each other and make contracts.

Central planning is a great way to get millions killed by stupid policies and dictates.

[Anonymous No.15156398]

There is nothing wrong with Capitalism. "Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others." We are living in a spiritual crisis.

[Anonymous No.15156399]

Why do people even like freedom? It does nothing but lead to destruction, both of ourselves and of the planet. Freedom is what led to pollution, drug use, big companies, and capitalism. People can’t be trusted with freedom. This is what religion understood, but now that religion is waning we need something new. This is where Marxist-Leninism comes in. We need a state to guide us and correct our mistakes, otherwise we’ll perish by our own caprice. Marxism is the only cure to freedom.

[Anonymous No.15156418]

>>15156344
Against capitalism, against further commodification of human life, against creating worker-consumer atoms, against utilitarianism, against destruction of public aesthetics and human soul through advertisement, but most importantly against USA

[Anonymous No.15156425]

>>15156344
I love it.

Coca-cola is great too. Only women and redditors avoid it.

[Anonymous No.15156429]

>>15156398
Spirituality and capitalism are not compatible. Attempts to bring about spirituality in capitalism results in McHinduism where Silicon Valley bros do yoga and say namaste.

[Anonymous No.15156435]

>>15156361
People who aren't losers, loser.

Not that you would know any of them, or that they would bother to socialize with you...

[Anonymous No.15156444]

>>15156429
Yet capitalism has brought spirituality to millions of people. If I can read James Joyce and Goethe, this is all thanks to capitalism.

Google the price of a typical book before the Industrial Revolution and see it for yourself. The craftsmen of the old printing industry were very romantic, for sure, but they produced very few and expensive books that the common people - like me and you (unless you belong to the English nobility or something similar) - would never have access to. This was even worse at the times of the copyists, who were even better craftsmen, but whose books were even rarer.

[Anonymous No.15156447]

>>15156344
Private administration of the industry is inappropriate, seing as it is a matter of state concern.
The laissez-faire approach that corresponds to it is poison to the health of the state.
I have no reason to support it.

[Anonymous No.15156448]

>>15156418
Where are you from anon? and what is your ideal society, a spiritual (fascist) one?

[Anonymous No.15156456]

>>15156444
You mean technology has brought cheap books to billions of people.

[Anonymous No.15156459]

>>15156444
> Joyce
> Goethe
> spirituality
The universe doesn't have enough yikes to contain my WTF.

[Anonymous No.15156461]

>>15156447
>poison to the health of the state
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.15156463]

>>15156444
It is somewhat unseemly to equate capitalism with modernisation and industrialisation when modernisation was just as central a part of communist systems of the 20th century as it was of liberal systems of the 20th century.
Concievably moreso, seeing as the liberal systems took reign over already industrialised states.

[Anonymous No.15156464]

>>15156418
Based

[Anonymous No.15156469]

>>15156461
Naturally.

[Anonymous No.15156478]

>>15156469
Why tho

[Anonymous No.15156481]

>>15156444
Communism brought literacy to several countries

[Anonymous No.15156488]

>>15156481
Capitalistic countries have like 99.9% literacy, so...

[Anonymous No.15156505]

>>15156488
Castro brought the Cuban illiteracy rate from 25% to 4% in two years
It took capitalism nearly over 100 years to do the same in most countries

[Anonymous No.15156513]

People always mention coca-cola and McDonald's as symbols of capitalism.

But Penguin Classics is as capitalistic as coca-cola is. It's also a private company that has to make money to survive.

You look at capitalism and see coca-cola. I look at it and see coca-cola, but also Penguin, AbeBooks, Faber Castell, private museums, private universities. Even ''subversive'' rock and roll bands who criticize capitalism are capitalist enterprises.

>>15156456
Capitalism maximizes the number of books that are produced.

Commie societies did have industrialization, but everything was more expensive.

And culture is not only books. It also involves travel, experiencing good food, watching movies, having money to buy a musical instrument, and so on. All of this is made worse in commie societies because the economy doesn't work as well, due to a very large number of problems, from information problems to incentives problems and so on.

>>15156463
>Concievably moreso, seeing as the liberal systems took reign over already industrialised states.

Not really. Industrialization was born in a climate of liberalism, mostly in England after the 18th century, then America.

Commie nations industrialized themselves because the industry was already very accessible when they appeared. Fascist nations and others went through the same processes of industrialization. After great capitalists made the inventions in their capitalist nations, it was easy to transport them to other, less efficient economies. Thus, my country, Brazil, also got industrialized very fast in the past century, even though it was not communistic, but rather fascistic, with democratic intervals, during its periods of higher industrialization.

But at any rate the people stay poorer and therefore less able to afford cultural experiences.

[Anonymous No.15156514]

>>15156488
The Congo?

[Anonymous No.15156529]

Why don't /lit/ Communists defect to Cuba?

[Anonymous No.15156534]

>>15156344
I'm against markets.

[Anonymous No.15156535]

>>15156513
There is absolutely no reason for physical media to exist in the 21st century beyond people having commodity fetishes for physical books and vinyl records.

[Anonymous No.15156536]

>>15156481
No: the 20th century brought literacy to several countries.

Nations that were mostly fascistic or other systems of government also experienced very great rises in literacy rates.

Correlation is not causality.

>>15156505
Data from commie countries needs to be looked at very skeptically.

Here in Brazil Lula made a big deal of how many people he sent to universities... And yet, around 30% of our universities students are functionally illiterate, meaning that they can read, but they cannot interpret a text. You give them a page of Plato and they cannot make heads or tails of it, even though they have their uni diplomas adorning their walls.

But if you look at the numbers of college-educated people it will seem as though there was a great advancement, when in reality there was none.

[Anonymous No.15156541]

>>15156448
Eastern Europe. Fascism is gay, so is utopianism, it´s better to just have an ideological direction and plan how to move in that direction. My personal direction is towards socialism and some of the paths I would follow are
>drastic reduction of advertisement
>software independence, e.g. gov run companies producing open source software, teaching kids linux instead of American OS, developing OS and MS office alternative for govermental computers and promoting piracy with stuff like scihub
>We´ll have 75 years from victory soon, it would be nice to capitalize on that
>Fight over rents in regards to corona. Productive people (even productive bourgeiose) should receive support over rentiers and speculants

[Anonymous No.15156545]

>>15156529
Too warm

[Anonymous No.15156556]

>>15156399

You realize the State suffers from the pitfalls of freedom as well because they are not religious, right? The point of religious submission is that you are submitting to something ABOVE you, and if you’re a abrahamic, then it is God Himself whose guidance and virtues are perfect and therefore optimal for societal coordination. The issue is humans thinking they can control themselves and that issue does not dissipate with Marxism, it only advances it. This is a grave misunderstanding on the qualities of leadership between religious faith and political sovereigns.

[Anonymous No.15156559]

>>15156534
This.

[Anonymous No.15156561]

>>15156535
Yeah, capitalist enterprises like Amazon have now rendered books - as well as the cutting down of trees in order to make them - unnecessary. They did this merely for profit, but ended up helping people.

This is the genius of capitalism: it takes human nature as it is, egoistic, and lets individuals organize themselves according to their own interests, allowing for trial and error (very important), luck, self-correction and other mechanisms that create a very fluid, self-modifying, antifragile system; meanwhile, commie societies try to mold human nature into its own platonic ideal of it through grand-scale fragile plans, and end up in tyranny and disaster after the planners discover that Platonism is an illusion.

[Anonymous No.15156573]

>>15156561
>amazon invented scanning books into digitally readable files
This is what they're teaching kids in "school" in 2020.

[Anonymous No.15156583]

Distributism is the best system, change my mind.
>Every business is cooperatively owned
>Each town has their own small businesses for everything, no more Walmart, McDonalds, etc.
>The few businesses that can't be run this way (like medical ones) are state owned
>Strong sense of community and spirituality

>>15156529
Commie countries don't let potential subversive outsiders in.

[Anonymous No.15156590]

>>15156529
They blame everything on the embargo, but it really tells a lot about how mediocre your system is when you had for decades the support of the world's second biggest economy and largest country, and yet you failed to rise above the level of Caribbean shithole.

[Anonymous No.15156592]

>>15156344
Can someone explain why retards everywhere circle jerk over free market capitalism when drugs etc are clearly not left for the free market in any niggerless country?
Humans cannot be trusted with absolutely everything, and there is need for government intervention.

[Anonymous No.15156605]

>>15156573
They commercialized it. My ebook reader is an Amazon Kindle. So is my sister's, my cousin's, my girlfriend's...

[Anonymous No.15156616]

>>15156605
Okay so you have a family of soiboi wojaks. Where's the argument?

[Anonymous No.15156618]

>>15156590
I think the embargo is dumb, but I thought the whole point of Communism was to abolish money, markets, trade, and so on.

[Anonymous No.15156624]

>>15156583
Sounds based and reasonable. Starting with restaurants, where the system would work best.
>How would you remove McDonalds from the game?
>How would you promote co-op mode of ownership?
>How would you prevent re-consolidation?

[Anonymous No.15156630]

>>15156592
People who defend the free market are often in favor of drug liberation, as well as liberation of things such as prostitution, whorehouses, gambling, pornography, even consensual organ sales.

That does not equate necessarily with being an anarcho-capitalist. You can believe all that and still accept that the state is necessary at some level - usually at political, judiciary and military levels. Some libertarians also defend such things as an UBI, either for humanitary reasons or to diminish the chances of causing the social unrest which is common to all large political systems.

[Anonymous No.15156645]

A toast, to Capital.

[Anonymous No.15156691]

>>15156561
The Gutenberg project predates Amazon.
The basis for digital music (pulse code modulation) was created by the British government during WWII, it wasn't private free market enterprise.

>>15156605
Technology is an obvious point where the free market capitalist ideology makes an objectively worse system for everyone. Open source software and hardware exist, but they lack the capital to advertise themselves like Windows and Amazon do. So people get duped into buying an objectively worse product. Amazon Kindles only take proprietary formats and spy on you; meanwhile, there are more open e-readers that let you use any format you want and do not require any spying. There are many distributions of Linux that are open source, stable, and have no spyware... but Windows dominates the market through endless advertisement and brand recognition alone. Also note Oracle, a company that makes billions off of buying out projects, privatizing them, pushing out malicious updates that force enterprises into dependency on Oracle alone because now all their stuff is irreversibly tangled into their infrastructure, and then demanding money to keep things rolling.
And you cannot really argue that the better open source alternatives are riding off of the labor of capitalist enterprises because most work in the computing world WAS open and free until Bill Gates showed up and realized how much money he could make by forcing people into walled gardens where only he could sell them the tools they need.

[Anonymous No.15156764]

>>15156691
Gutenberg is only for free stuff. Amazon found a way commercializing new books and making it attractive for publishers and consumers alike. I have poor vision and hate reading on a computer screen, but the Kindle screen is very easy for me.

Lots of things were created by governments. However, they would probably have been created by the free market anyway, or at least things similar to them would. This would have taken more time, maybe, but the science was there, as well as the processes of trial and error which conduct to the success of solutions that people want.

Furthermore, the worst inventions of all have also usually come from governments, such as the atomic bomb. Even the technology you mention comes from WWII. Most ''good'' technology that the government makes is just a good side effect of its war technology designed to kill.

>So people get duped into buying an objectively worse product.

How do you know they get duped? How do you know they don't prefer the other version? I have been for years listening to Stallman preach about free software, and yet no system has proven itself more convenient to me than Windows. And I am using Linux right now, mind you. But I prefer Windows.

Anyway, if you dislike it, a free society allows you to express your opinions, like Stallman does, then people decide what they wanna buy. And most people prefer Windows or Apple.

[Anonymous No.15156770]

>>15156561
Because people having extra electronic device isn´t damaging to enviroment at all right? Public libraries can tackle the problem while acting as meeting place for community and maintaining the traditional carbon-based form.

[Anonymous No.15156787]

>>15156344
I dislike its abuse intensely, but absolutely detest the few submitted alternatives.

[Anonymous No.15156807]

>>15156770
One Kindle can contain thousands of books. It reduces the damage caused by private libraries.

Overall, human beings have been using less and less materials in the last decades, due to the revolutions in technology.

[Anonymous No.15156810]

>>15156624
It depends. Some distributists are more revolutionary and want the state to bring about this society by crushing and distributing monopolies, some are more libertarian and think it can be achieved starting at the local level. So you would start by making communal businesses built around your principles, they would work out, people would be inspired and start their own to those standards, so the idea spreads. As people see that society is better in towns under this system then they will naturally move towards it, slowly starving out giant companies that people no longer want to anything to do with.
Of course, this requires an irrational amount of optimism. As most anti-capitalists will point out, attempting to reform the system by starting small will never work. The big boys will work together to crush you if you start threatening them. And while the quality of products would raise substantially because they are almost all locally made, prices would have to be higher, and trying to convince the masses to go for the higher quality and more ethical but costlier option under a capitalist system never works because most people can't afford to do so. That's how Walmart and McDonalds get everywhere... they undercut the locals (because they can take the cost), drive them out of business, then raise their prices back to normal. But some of the more libertarian distributists still think it can work this way; they're big on strong land value taxes, homesteading exemptions, universal healthcare, etc. to make things more fair and to wash out parasitic companies that just hoard things.

[Anonymous No.15156812]

>>15156764
>Furthermore, the worst inventions of all have also usually come from governments, such as the atomic bomb. Even the technology you mention comes from WWII. Most ''good'' technology that the government makes is just a good side effect of its war technology designed to kill.
Meh, the correct distinciton here should be big and small. Public funded universities and research centers do the break through research, while private companies turn that research into products.

[Anonymous No.15156821]

>>15156807
>Overall, human beings have been using less and less materials in the last decades
Interesting theory, but I doubt anyone noticed that.

[Anonymous No.15156832]

>>15156807
False if you eat food from supermarkets

[Anonymous No.15156833]

doesn't matter. it's an all pervading condition with no real sustainable alternative with the current circumstances of humanity.

[Anonymous No.15156852]

>>15156344
I hate it but I also think it's inevitable. My IQ is ultimately too high for me to see the alternatives of the Marxian, socialist, or anarchist variety as being anything more than secular religions which rely on pure faith if one is to believe they could ever succeed.

[Anonymous No.15156853]

>>15156398
Our current spiritual crisis is a direct result of unbridled capitalism, while yes many have benefited from it, we have no reached an impasse where what we are used to can no longer be conditional on how the world i.e global economy can now work. It is time to reasses Capital

[Anonymous No.15156873]

>>15156764
>free society allows you to express your opinions
Opinons don´t emerge out of vacuum. State gives them immense help by educating children for their products for free.

[Anonymous No.15156875]

>>15156764
Bill didn't sell Windows to the people who actually used computers. He sold them to technically illiterate people who ran local governments/businesses who then moved all their infrastructure onto his platform. Programmers were forced to work with this locked down infrastructure, so everything 'just works' on Windows (in theory) because of manufactured consent. This gives Windows the illusion of being convenient, but that's not really true because Microsoft's centralized power lets them force whatever dumb ideas they have at the moment onto you. So you can't escape spyware, forced updates, etc.

[Anonymous No.15156876]

>>15156463
The communists were simply replicating through artificial means what capitalism had already achieved organically.

[Anonymous No.15156886]

>>15156875
This is also why artists almost universally use Apple + Adobe: because Apple and Adobe heavily marketed themselves to schools as "essential artisan products", and then these schools reared everyone on Apple and Adobe. Apple and Adobe are walled gardens, so you're stuck with them if you want to keep the workflow that you were raised on.

[Anonymous No.15156905]

>>15156832
>>15156821
Matt Ridley wrote an article about that:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10644589/matt-ridley-we-are-saving-planet/

[Anonymous No.15156929]

>>15156905
>The sun article
At least he admits that he´s more or less wrong by saying that the polluting was exported to China and other third world countries.

[Anonymous No.15156945]

hard against

[Anonymous No.15156946]

>>15156873
We should abolish state-funded education, then (provided we institute UBI so that people can still buy books or pay for cheap teachers). Would be good.

>>15156886
>>15156875
People choose to buy that. That's their choice. Is there propaganda? There obviously is, but it still doesn't change the fact that people are free to choose.

Commies always tend to deny the agency of consumers making choices that go against their preferred commie options. Thus, you personally think Linux is better than Windows and say that people are been ''duped'' into buying Windows. But, in reality, all choices will be influenced by many including propaganda. If propaganda creates pressures, so does everything, from social norms to political philosophies to our biology.

[Anonymous No.15156963]

>>15156344
I prefer Dr Pepper but Coca cola is good too
>The name "Dr. Pepper" was first used commercially in 1885. It was introduced nationally in the United States at the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition as a new kind of soda pop, made with 23 flavors. Its introduction in 1885 preceded the introduction of Coca-Cola by one year.
>It was formulated by Brooklyn-born pharmacist Charles Alderton in Morrison's Old Corner Drug Store in Waco, Texas.
>Early advertisements for this soft drink made medical claims, stating that it "aids digestion and restores vim, vigor, and vitality."
>As with Coca-Cola, the formula for Dr Pepper is a trade secret, and allegedly the recipe is kept as two halves in safe deposit boxes in two separate Dallas banks.

[Anonymous No.15156968]

>>15156946
>Would be good.
Good for who? The only thing this will accomplish is concentrate cultural capital even further.

[Anonymous No.15156974]

>>15156929
I don't know if he's wrong, maybe he is. I haven't read the book he cited. (Ridley is a respected guy, by the way, The Sun just printed the article he wrote.)

[Anonymous No.15156981]

>>15156398
>*works 10 hours 5 days a week with low wage in cube apartment that can barely afford
>*wakes up at 6am to fight traffic and returns home at 6pm with barely any energy but to take a shower, eat and go to sleep
>*Lives paycheck to paycheck while always worrying about paying taxes, feeding the family and hoping that no one in his family gets some health problem
>"Yes this has nothing to do with the economy or material problems, its a spiritual crisis!"

>>15156368
>"The ""free"" market will regulate itself and provide best outcomes"
>Great Depression happens*
>2008 crash happens*
Yeah too bad that almost any economist today will tell you that markets dont regulate themselves, that you need the state to always step in and take actions in the market in order to prevent boom n bust cycles. And actually nationalize certain services that are too essential to be left at their mercy.

[Anonymous No.15156985]

>>15156963
I had some Dr. Pepper while visiting the UK and it tasted like lozenges, haven't drank it since.

[Anonymous No.15156990]

The amount of unilateral views on what capitalism is or isn't in this thread is outstanding!
The OP posed for opinions on 'free-market' capitalism as if there havent been hybridizations of capitalism across the western and oriental world with different models and varying successes across different measures

You can criticize 'free-market' capitalism and still be for freedom
to even equate the two reveals a limited understanding of what the essence of freedom even entails.

[Anonymous No.15156995]

>>15156946
Just put the books into public domain after scanning them. The US needs something like the gaokao (but not as demanding) - just decide what's going to be on the test, and scan and publish a list of recommended reading. Obviously people will cry that this is racist or classist or something because no one should be able to read outside of a priestly-sanctioned Institution without an Educator around to ensure that students are molded into Informed Contributors to Our Democracy.

[Anonymous No.15156997]

pre-second industrial revolution: hard for
post: against

[Anonymous No.15157005]

>>15156985
Yes I like that it tastes like that. It has too much sugar so I rarely drink it.

[Anonymous No.15157025]

>>15156344
For. It produces an economy so convoluted and with enough wealth that it supports a leech like me. The only people hurt by capitalism are the normies who voluntarily wageslave instead of living a sustainable frugal lifestyle. Economic system becomes irrelevant to you if you elect poverty

[Anonymous No.15157026]

>>15156990
You are asking too much from this board or site in general.
Most people are in such a deep neurotic state that the moment they hear someone shit talking about capitalism or wanting some goverment intervention they already think they are going for some feminist "socialist" commune where everyone is forced to be bisexual and be part of some mega sex harem for destribution of sex.

[Anonymous No.15157057]

>>15157026
>they already think they are going for some feminist "socialist" commune where everyone is forced to be bisexual and be part of some mega sex harem for destribution of sex.

Yes. That's what they are going for.

[Anonymous No.15157077]

>>15156974
It´s more about his "journalistic rather than scientific" approach. Such a complex topic would require a metric gigashitton of data and properly explained methodology.

[Anonymous No.15157078]

>>15156344
yes but corporations are not part of the free market

[Anonymous No.15157085]

>>15156398
whoa i guess the 114 volumes of marx's collected works are a waste of time

[Anonymous No.15157090]

>>15156534
based

[Anonymous No.15157097]

For those who believe that billionaries are a necessary and good thing for society, explain why

[Anonymous No.15157113]

>>15156990
Most people in our society have been mentally and spiritually colonized by megacorps and think-tanks

[Anonymous No.15157118]

>>15156946
>We should abolish state-funded education, then (provided we institute UBI so that people can still buy books or pay for cheap teachers).
No thanks. I´ll take the conservative position and just say it´s been working well over the past centuries.

[Anonymous No.15157246]

>>15157118
>he thinks mass public education works

[Anonymous No.15157262]

>>15157097
They create jobs, millions of people would be poor and unemployed without them

:^)

[Anonymous No.15157284]

>>15157246
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15157286]

>>15156344
I am against it, but not in the cringy commie way (communism is just as nonsensical as capitalism). Societies have invented these concepts to deal with very large amounts of people living in close proximity in an artificial and unsustainable environment. We who are born into this society are constantly told that this (along with democracy) is good for various reasons like consumerism and things we perceive as "convenient" and thus somehow indispensable in life. I'm simply not convinced that we need all this to live happy and fulfilled lives. We've lived without all this in tribal societies for hundreds of thousands of years, why did we give up that way of living? That was true freedom! You could go anywhere you wanted to when you fucked up or just wanted change, where as in todays society you're stuck. Anywhere you move to it's the same thing. It all went wrong when we decided that we own this earth and somehow don't have to follow the natural laws of life, when we changed the earth to a human serving world, all for the sake of so called progress.

[Anonymous No.15157290]

Yes, society should be a meat grinder that crushes everyone but the best. If we got rid of the welfare state I believe we'd see a higher caliber of people emerge after the weak one's were culled

[Anonymous No.15157368]

>>15157290
why the fuck should society be a meat grinder. A better world is possible

[Anonymous No.15157416]

>>15157286
I couldn't agree more, anon. But what is the solution? Kaczynski's approach is too cynical and unlikely to succeed, not to mention Linkola's ecofascism.

[Anonymous No.15157424]

>>15157416

[Anonymous No.15157430]

>>15157290
Lots of people left to misery would be able to achieve greatness if given the means.

[Anonymous No.15157464]

>>15157424
What do you think about Öcalan and the PKK?

[Anonymous No.15157465]

>>15157416
>But what is the solution?
Anything else is wishful bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15157472]

>>15157430
but what is "greatness" when it comes to capital? Amassing the most and hiding away from the worst believing you to be spared.

[Anonymous No.15157487]

>>15157465
Posadism then?

[Anonymous No.15157488]

>>15157464
Mixed feelings. The cult of personality around Ocalan is worrying. They want to create a green and sustainable non-corporate society, but they defend foreign oil fields, though you can argue they are sort of existentially forced into that position. But I think they are on the right track either way and their successes will hopefully inspire more movements throughout the world.

[Anonymous No.15157498]

>>15156344

everyone ITT is a complete brainlet and your opinions are embarrassing

people on here don't even read wtf

[Anonymous No.15157504]

>>15157416
Ted ofcourse raises some very good points. But in terms of humanity as a whole I have no idea how we could practically undo all of this. For the time being you can take measures to make yourself less dependant on society. It's ofcourse much easier said than done. But try to avoid living the typical "bugman" life. Don't be a city dwelling consumer who works for a tech company and got indoctrinated by some university. Don't abandon your roots and heritage, be proud of your family and stay close to them more than anyone else. Don't become a person who's defining traits are their sexuality or what movie franchise they are a fan of. Prefer small communities and a simple trade that won't make you dependant on "the system". Go with independance whenever you can in life.

>>15157465
Maybe blowing it all up would give us another chance. But I worry that our dumb asses would try to "rebuild" it all again instead of finally getting the message, that maybe it was all a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.15157508]

>>15156399
You are aware that this is one of the primary ideas behind fascism?

[Anonymous No.15157511]

>>15157085
They Are.

[Anonymous No.15157539]

>>15156444
>they produced very few and expensive books that the common people - like me and you (unless you belong to the English nobility or something similar)
This is literally a big lie. The novel's popularity was sustained by the servant class in England.

[Anonymous No.15157545]

I’m not sure that modern Capitalism can even be free market. The problem with saying I’m free market is it implies that I’m in favor of free markets in all cases and I’m not. Economies are inherently dynamic and the problem with stamping an ideology on it is that you apply static boundaries to something that necessarily can’t be static. To say I’m “pro free market” is a bit like saying “I’m pro wool coat”. It makes no sense because sometimes you want a wool coat, sometimes you want a cotton coat, sometimes you want no coat at all. Healthy civilizations view economy as a necessary tool to survive and thrive. The problem is that modern “free market capitalism” elevates the tool itself to state ideology and subordinates everything to it under all circumstances when in reality the state should give it generally little thought.

[Anonymous No.15157550]

>>15157498
What should we be reading?

[Anonymous No.15157631]

>>15156344
you need to be a complete cuck to defend capitalism in 2020

[Anonymous No.15157649]

>>15156344
I'm for it since it encourages a dynamic network of complex relationships among individuals much like a rainforest, that configuration seems conducive to a thriving ecology. More regulated and controlled models are about as dynamic and efficient as a steam engine.

[Anonymous No.15157654]

>>15157504
Sounds like Distributism to me.

[Anonymous No.15157656]

>>15156344
Capitalism with regulations that make massive corporations rare and nearly impossible. I'm a fan of localism - so the idea that Walmart would need an office / new company for each US state. You'd still have big corporations, but their profits would be distributed more equitably and the damages they put on society would be mitigated by making them tangible.

[Anonymous No.15157667]

>>15157654
meme, go back to youtube

[Anonymous No.15157682]

>>15157511
omegacringe

[Anonymous No.15157693]

>>15157667
>meme
How so?

[Anonymous No.15157713]

>>15156344
I am against off topic threads.