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Is it possible to beat depression with philosophy?

>> No.15137815

>>15137803
Contemplation, meditation, prayer can defeat depression yes. Reading depressed philosophers won’t help. If you have to read philosophy read the life-affirming ones but I believe you would get a lot more out of reading good fiction or spiritual texts

>> No.15137818

No, but it can be a potent distraction.

>> No.15137852

>>15137815
This. Pranic breathing and shadow work will help you. Let go of what is making you depressed.

>> No.15137858

>>15137803
Not if you are chronically depressed

>> No.15137866

Notes from underground and book of disquiet helped fix mine

>> No.15137871

If you have actual depression, nothing is going to help you. If you have "depression" then sure, some random philosophy or other bullshit will probably deal with it.

>> No.15137875

No.

>> No.15137955

>>15137871
Woah so deep bro tell me about your suffering

>> No.15137964

Not if you read philosophy that supports your already established worldview, which you almost certainly will.

>> No.15137977

>>15137803
Can philosophy solve depression alone? No, of course not. But yes sure it can play a role. Although I would read it alongside anti-psychiatry works for the best effects.

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>>15137803
No, because it's genetic and you punish your body incessantly

>> No.15138013

>>15137803
maybe - 2 options based on the premise that existence is infinite - suffer forever or don't + Nietzsche's eternal recurrence, determinism, amor fati and logical reasoning

>> No.15138015

>>15137803
nope

>> No.15138042

if you actually have the will to act on it and dont just think about it yes

>> No.15138057

>>15137803
Philosophy can equip you to remake yourself, but I don't know if it's the shortest path out of depression. I've made a lot of progress with depression and while philosophy has done a lot for me I'd give more credit to psychedelics. But to be fair I began studying philosophy because it was intellectually stimulating, not in a search for meaning or anything like that.

>> No.15138076

>>15137803
Just Epicureanism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBWDIzHldPg

>> No.15138086

>>15137866
How so?

>> No.15138090

>>15137871
Untrue. Real depression is curable.

>> No.15138106

>>15137803
philosophy, art, etc are not things for ill or impaired persons, but for the ones healthier than the average. all the intellectual activity exceeding that useful for the conservation of the species is the result of a priviledge and a super-abundance of energies.

>> No.15138112

>>15138106
>philosophy, art, etc are not things for ill or impaired persons
lol

>> No.15138121

>>15138106
>all the intellectual activity exceeding that useful for the conservation of the species is the result of a priviledge and a super-abundance of energies.
Economic privilege is not the same as mental health.

>> No.15138124

>>15137803
No, but you can use it to corner the olive trade and make a killing
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_of_Miletus#Activities

>> No.15138145

>>15138121
in order to truely think you need you brain to work better than the average.
in order to think freely you need an absolute economic independence, both for your aims and your time, which is a privilge of a few.

>> No.15138169

>>15138145
art world is full of mentally fucked people. you can abuse your mental illness to use it as a creative fuel for making artworks.

>> No.15138194

No

>> No.15138197

>>15138169
this just in these grotesque times, where "intellectuals" call art what once was called unter-garbage.

>> No.15138208

>>15138106
I hope this is bait but you never know these days

>> No.15138211

>>15137803
No. The only cure is exercise and blood flow.

>> No.15138220

If you are really depressed you dont even want to read

>> No.15138230

>>15137803
True change needs to come from within.... Someone who has what we call depression is someone who has surrendered entirely to the void and fully embraced nihilism. Modern science and psychology blindly perceives depression to be an external influence caused by an imbalance of chemicals, and this is why they get nowhere trying to fix it. Someone who has embraced nihilism and embraced the fact they have done so becomes a life long depressive and condemns themselves to a lifetime of unfulfillment, it is a terrible trap.

The will to create meaning in a meaningless world must come from within, to recognize the futility of nihilism. Nietzsche wanted us to create our own meaning in the absence of God. Even someone like Schopenhauer was not a true nihilist i.e. he found meaning through his life's work. It's not even about finding something to make life worth living, because pursuing the bourgeois ideal of "happiness" is also a trap. You need to gain perspective about yourself and the world you live in. Philosophy is all about different perspectives. Listening to classical music really helped me (and still helps me) because it is such a pure art that was created in a time when the world still made sense.

>> No.15138271

>>15138197
Stop talking out of your ass you past fetishising whore.

>> No.15138306

>>15138271
> if you don't like koons you are a past fetishist
strawman. my humble opinion is that bad quality doesn't spare any epoch. this particular epoch has no taste for art. it happens. most probably it's due to the massification, democratization and globalization of society, which is good for human rights, but bad for art. simple as that.

>> No.15138310

>>15137858
But what to do if im chronically depressed?

>> No.15138318

Nah it's difficult to really uncover the source of your discontentment alone. You need another human to listen and bounce off ideas. A book no matter how enlightening is not alive

>> No.15138323

>>15137977
>anti-psychiatry
How would it help me?

>> No.15138347

>>15138306
if you got pleb filtered by contemporary art then it's okay i understand you.

>> No.15138350

>>15138310
>But what to do if im chronically depressed?

Fill your pockets with rocks and walk into a lake.

>> No.15138357

>>15138310
Idk but express your experience through any medium of art that you like.

>> No.15138367

>>15138347
whatever makes you cope at night.

>> No.15138369

>>15138310
then you need to read pessimism so you can accept yourself.
I've got chronic depression and i've come to terms with being me.
now i just do what >>15138357
says.

>> No.15138370

>>15137803
I've been depressed all my life and I am currently working on a philosophy PhD. Still depressed, but I'm really good at being depressed now.

Also if your depression can be "cured" with one or two books you were never really depressed, you just needed perspective to stop your whiny tendencies, which is completely fine, but its not the same thing.

>> No.15138375

>>15138310
microdose LSD

>> No.15138381

>>15137803
I suffered from severe depression for years and tried almost everything. Different medications, counseling, DBT, DBT group, CBT, and TMS. None of that worked.

What actually worked for me? Electroshock therapy. I got in back in January and have felt amazing since then. I highly recommend it if you have treatment resistant depression.

>> No.15138384

>>15137815
>prayer
>spiritual texts
religion is literally philosophy retard

>> No.15138385

>>15138367
>le i was born in the wrong generation

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>>15138106
Kek yea goya and van gogh where good because they were stabile people.

Gtfo idiot. You have no understanding of art.

>> No.15138396

>>15138381
Doesnt it fuck up your brain?

>> No.15138399

>>15138306
Indeed this epoch has no taste in art, but that's just because of the mass production plastic art made by rich people who thing just because they have money they know what art is.

The rich and famous ruined the art world. The art world has lost its soul.

>> No.15138401

>>15138396
Kek it's clearly bait anon

>> No.15138403

>>15137803
no

>> No.15138404

>>15138387
LMAO goya was an aufklärer retard. when he paints witches etc his mocking accent is clear to any 3 digits IQ spectator
van gogh was pure trash, normie. gauguin is one of the gratest painters ever existed.

>> No.15138417

>>15138404
and matisse was even greater than gauguin.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CofOXvvBcOA

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>>15138404
I'm not even a fan of Goya and gogh, doesn't mean i can see the inportnace of there art.
I just wanted to show important unstable artists.

>gauguin
kek the faggot who saturated his art and could only draw brow chicks and beaches.
>greatest painters
>gaugain

>> No.15138430

>>15138396
I have minor memory loss from it, but that's it. With the exception of not remembering where my doctor's office was the first week I got out of the hospital, almost all of the memory loss was from when I was in the hospital. I've had no difficulties performing my job (I work as a tax accountant) and haven't had any problems reading. Aside from memory loss there's no other cognitive impairment.

>>15138401
It's not bait. ECT was enormously helpful to me.

>> No.15138433

>>15138370
Pretty much this, depression is a curse and strikes you at your weakest, it just consumes you
I've managed to fight it without meds for a year now(been on/off for 7 years spend some time in a mental institution), but its hard when you cant truly believe yourself, because part of you feels corrupt and just wants to see you fail and keep you down

>> No.15138447

>>15138430
I put off ECT for years because I was worried it would damage my memory. When I finally decided to do it I was at the point where I didn't care how badly my memory got damaged. I just wanted to feel better. In the end, memory issues were minimal.

>> No.15138449

>>15138404
Lmao gauguin doesn't even know what perspective is.
I bet you like frida calvo aswel

>> No.15138452

>>15138423
> inportnace
> important
you talk like a journalist. fuck you are pure trash and i can't believe i'm wasting ny time with such a brainlet. even warhol and koons are "important", retard.

>> No.15138459

>>15138449
> I bet you like frida calvo aswel
of course i don't.
> perspective
not a necessary thing for art. art is not engineering, you amerimutt philistine.

>> No.15138462

I think I'm depressed because I have sleep apnea.

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>>15138452
>>15138459
Kek pleb who has no art history knowledge
Amerimutts truly are plague on this world.

how about you go watch your animus and jackoff to your pollocks lmao

>> No.15138490

>>15138459
>perspective
>not a necessary thing for art.
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
good one anon, I needed that.

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>>15137803
SCHELLING'S WELTALTER
Kills every type of depression.

>> No.15138512

Depends on if your depression is internal or external in nature. If you have really shit life circumstances then reading isn't going to cure it, only fixing the external circumstances will do that. I mean i guess you can just change your mindset and cope, but most people don't have the will to do that.

>> No.15138515

>>15138357
Sadly its not a creative depression

>> No.15138520

>>15138462
Probably, anything fucking up your sleep long-term will fuck with you really bad. Sleep deprivation is no joke.

>> No.15138529

>>15138106
Yea bro
>Pessoa
>Kafka
>Bernhard
>Beckett
>Cioran
>Musil
>Dazai
>Schopenhauer
and many more, were all mentally stable beings who wrote about flowers and sang youthful songs.

>> No.15138546

>>15138529
>>Schopenhauer
antinatalism isnt mental illness

>> No.15138547

>>15138520
My sleeping is fine, I just can't breathe. First it was my posture, but I corrected that, mostly. Now, I think it's asthma from all the garbage, unwashed bedding, and unwashed clothing. I don't want to do anything. I don't want to move my garbage, nor do I want to take a shower. The only reason I took a shower a couple of days ago was because I got the neighborhood horse to lick diced apple pieces off of my nipples. I'm feeling a little bit better, but I still do nothing all day. Just waiting for my money to run out, then I'll need to do something to eat.

>> No.15138564

>>15137803
Biological depression, no.

Metaphysical ignorance, yes.

>> No.15138573

>>15138490
greek and roman frescoes didn't have perspective therefore they are not art. this literally is your argument.
>>15138529
they were all mentally stable indeed, except for cioran who was an existentialist pseud. also, being mentally stable doesn't mean writing about flowers and singing youthful songs, which is just obtuseness. obtuseness is borderline intellectual imparment, so you are basically helping me proving my point, but you don't realize it because you are dumb as fuck yourself (as proved by your equation between health and superficiality)

>> No.15138581

>>15138573
Yes, Kafka and company are very stable.

>> No.15138599

>>15138581
kafka was extremely stable indeed. read the zurau aphorisms. being mentally stable and having a working fantasy are not incompatible, brainlet.
the only author from that list i don't know is dazai.

>> No.15138608

>Self Expression
>Confidence
>Being loved, loving others
>Safety
>Physiological needs

If your depressed your probably not fulfilling the above needs. Start with just cooking a good meal, not gonna get out of this hole with an empty stomach.

>> No.15138621

>>15138608
Actually, fasting would probably help you more than eating.

>> No.15138646

>>15138621
Depression goes both ways. Sometimes people overeat, sometimes they don't eat enough.

>> No.15138652

>>15138608
What are psychological needs anon?

>> No.15138706

>>15138608
I have neither of those

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>>15137803
With advaita vedanta yes rest is all cope

>> No.15138854

>>15138573
>greek and roman frescoes didn't have perspective therefore they are not art.

yea because they didn't invent it yet lmao.
past dark ages artist have no excuse for not learning perfective. only lazy artist and outsiders can't do perspective.

>> No.15138885

>>15138599
Dazai is regarded as one of the great writers of japan.
he killed himself after writing no longer human

geuss not all great writers are stable

>> No.15138899

>>15138512
>just be urself dude

>> No.15138941

>>15137803

No not really but it can stave it off a bit
And it also doesn't happen immediately it's like a slow acting pill it really just speeds up that phase of coming down from depression
I think a lot of people think that introspective thinking is bad when you have a spell of depression but it can help if you do it right

>> No.15138952

Absolutely not. Depression is a brain chemistry and neural pathway issue.

It's a physical problem. Can philosophy fix a broken arm? No.

Try meditation, medication, cognitive behavioral therapy. Do it every day, even when you don't want to. That's it. That's the solution.

>> No.15138987

>>15138899
Not what i said at all.

>> No.15139215

>>15138952
What about existential depression?

>> No.15139244

It didn’t help me to cure my depression but it did help me to understand and accept it which made it not so unbearable and it also helped me determine an orientation that I could use to navigate my way forward and onward. To be honest, the Bhagavad Gita changed me more than anything.

>> No.15139246

>>15137803
Meditate, force yourself to live in the present and have a calmer mind, a non emotional mind.

>> No.15139396

Your mental state largely informs the philosophy you follow. None of us are truly rational. The result is that if you have persistent or major depression (not necessarily mania), you will be drawn to the logical black hole of nihilism and it won't help you. If you're just sad because you're a loser or a failure, yes, philosophy can give you the mental boost required to propel you back to normalcy if not success, and help you put things in perspective. Avoid postmodernism if you value utility over truth.

>> No.15139426

>>15137803
You sound like you could really benefit from reading Hubbard's work.
Start with Dianetics and take it from there.
Goof luck anon!

>> No.15139448

In order to beat anything you need a weapon, your fists count too.

Imagine your depression taking physical form, like a demon or something, then imagine the weapon you would use to slay that demon. Now imagine yourself using that weapon to kill the demon a hundred times over.

If that weapon happens to be a gladius, between 7 and 9 inches in size, made with bronze but with a dark wooden handle then you need to read philosophy to beat your depression, the sharper the sword the more recent you need your philosophy to be, if it's razor sharp you need to come up with your own philosophy man.

>> No.15139452

>>15137803
Yes.

>> No.15139470

>>15137803
Depends if it is because of an external factor.
If it is you might want to fix that instead.
If it is not then yes. But its hard as at least half of these philosophers were incredibly depressed anyway.

>> No.15139474

>>15139470
So philosophy was just a cope for them?

>> No.15139725

>>15138652
the need to fap

>> No.15139739

The happiest people I've ever met were into the Greeks and Romans.

>> No.15139997

>>15139739
Funny. I’m hopelessly depressed and extremely interested in the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians. I think I’m interested in part because I’m depressed. There’s something about them and ancient civilizations in particular which the modern world is utterly deficient in.

>> No.15140047

>>15139997
>Egyptians
what's some good egyptian lit?

>> No.15140420

Yeah.
But you need to really get completely into it. To change your values, to practice, to think deeply about the virtues?

>>15138952
Isn't the "chemical view of depression" less accepted nowadays?
>cognitive behavioral therapy.
It is literally a watered down version of Stoic philosophy

>> No.15140538

>>15138090

Eh, gonna have to disagree with you there. It's manageable, sure, but always there. Similar to how a recovered addict will still have addictive tendencies even after "getting clean"

>> No.15140702

>>15140538
So there are people who're prone to depression tendencies and "curing" involves getting them to somewhat manageable levels?

>> No.15140739

>>15137815
wrong
the more you read the "depressed" philosophers the better, depression is the result of not fulfilling the expectations of a normal NPC boring life
the sad philosophers put you away from this cycle

>> No.15140761

>>15140538
Don't know, I've been in a psych ward over it and managed to beat it. Paradoxically, it will always be there if you think it shouldn't be there, and it goes away once you fully accept it. A demon is just an angel you didn't let in.

>> No.15140802

>>15140702
not the anon you're replying to but that's my experience, yes. experiencing it, recognising it and dealing with it your preferred way is about all you can do

>> No.15140808

>>15140739
Pretty bluepilled bro. That is one path of many.

>> No.15140865

Nope.
Go to a fucking physician, and get antidepressive medication (fluoxetine, sertraline, escitalopram).

>> No.15140867

>>15137803
try reading aristotle, very slowly to absorb his way of looking out to the nature, to life. when you really understand his calm, observing and curious attitude, it will be like a flash of imagery in your intuition, an intuition that you can not forget at least for a while, which will in turn transform you from an inner-looking being stuck in his obsessively repeating turmoil, hopefully into a more outside oriented being, and you can observe and maybe find a hint of curiosity to keep you going, to explore what life truly is. hope this helps.

>> No.15140899

>>15138381
is not illegal?

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>>15137803
No. You need poetry and art for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0doGM_6izYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6F37L7vtyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opu2tXoVNKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3Fx41Jpl4

>> No.15141055

>>15141023
your taste screams underage tumblr+/mu/ poster

>> No.15141064

>>15141055
And your comment screams faggot, and a need for approval.

>> No.15141112

>>15137803
Yes, I did it. If anyone is interested or wants to ask questions I can go into it more. Philosophy/reading was not the only thing but it was a major part of what helped. I never took SSRIs either, despite being prescribed them twice.

>> No.15141167

>>15140865
meds didnt help for me

>> No.15141250

>>15141112
how did you defeat it?

>> No.15141285

>>15140865
I did this last year and it helped but then I stopped the medication (escitalopram) and now I am as depressed as before. I say it's a hoax. Also I think since then I permanently have a weaker erection.

>> No.15141334

>>15141285
I would say be VERY careful with meds. You know about David Foster Wallaces suicide?

He got on SSRIs for his anxiety, then 10 or some years later they stopped working and he swung from his ceiling.

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>>15141064
calm down big guy

>> No.15141446

>>15141365
Youre right, Giga Chad. I must be helpful instead.

>> No.15141448

>>15137803
did an american post this question?

>> No.15141460

>>15141055
Cast your ego aside, and just let the music capture you instead. Lose yourself in the words of Bukowski, your mean internet friends will not find out.

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>>15141460
>friends
i have no friends anon, i don't need any. i have company in my dreams, i just want to dream, i want to waste rest of my days and nothing else.

>> No.15141538

>>15141510
Aaaw, lord knows ive felt like that at times.


want to add me on discord? or my email?

>> No.15141543

>>15141250
I read classic edgy /lit/, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Cioran, Kafka, Beckett, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Sartre, Goethe, etc., + classics like the platonic dialogues, Aristotle, Augustine, Sterne, Burton.

“Depressing” books seemed to have the opposite effect on me compared to what it did to regular people. I remember I gave a friend Nausea by Sartre and had a big smile on my face telling him how much I liked the book and he had to read it. He came back a week later and basically said “what the fuck is your problem?” Lol. But when I read it, I felt less alone. I did not feel as if no one understood me and I was somehow better and more aware than the “automatons” that surrounded me. Make no mistake, I am much smarter than your average joe, at least two standard deviations above the mean IQ, but I stopped feeling the sense of smug/tortured self-satisfaction over it. I leveled myself with the rest of humanity. It humbled me so to speak. I think that was the most important thing.

I still read a lot, 1-4 hours a day depending on how busy I am, and I think it helps keep depression low, though the seed is always there and if I neglect myself it will sprout up again. This reading gave me an inch of help, and it got the ball rolling. I acknowledged that how I treated my body would affect my mind. I put the chicken before the egg, instead of doing what is good and needful only when I felt up to it, I just kind of pretended I was a robot and did the shit and got it done. It began to work, my mind began to align with my actions, even though at first I would perform the actions and feel like a fraud.

I must stress that you cannot think your way out of depression unless you are thinking yourself into actions. My path started with thinking, and then turned into action.

>> No.15141576

>>15141543
>“Depressing” books seemed to have the opposite effect on me
Its cause of your tribulations.

When you read something deeply hurt, strange or depressing, you feel that there is someone out there that felt like you, so there is hope that someone out there relates. And it eases your shame and isolation.

Im the same way.

>> No.15141592

No amount of thinking will beat depression as it stems from too much thinking and too little activity. You’ve got to get out and move. Run hike bike, anything but being idle and thinking.

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>>15141538
i have nothing anon but i will mourn this proposal of friendship while dreaming in the late hours
of early morning

>> No.15141749

>>15138375
Did you actually try it or are you memeing?

>> No.15141993

>>15138310
read zapffe and mainlander then off yourself via shotgun to the mouth to avoid surviving as a vegetable

>> No.15142002

>>15141647
Your ego is giant, almost all ancompassing. Swallow your pride.

Discord: Flottbas
#6493
Email: MrEsbias2@gmail.com

>> No.15142144

>>15141576
>you feel that there is someone out there that felt like you, so there is hope that someone out there relates
I wish that would happen for me.

>> No.15142176

>>15138086
Not him, but The Book of Disquiet is very humbling if you are rather introverted by nature, yet feel you need to "make it" in some way via social validation. It's a book which really forces you to slow down, consider your ambitions, and ask why you are trying to achieve anything at all. If you emerge afterwards with some kind of ambition intact, I think you're still likely to be calmer and less desperate to achieve it.

>> No.15142194

>>15141592
This is the issue I have with depression, and the idea of transcending it via physical activity. Sure, it works. But it feels like I am just hyping myself up and providing myself with artificial, irrelevant distractions in the form of goals (being able to run so many miles, adhering to a strict diet, etc). When you have become acquainted with that dark nothingness at the base of your being, everything which does not involve wallowing in that place seems shallow and artificial.

>> No.15142250

>>15140420
>It is literally a watered down version of Stoic philosophy
how so?

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>>15142194
>When you have become acquainted with that dark nothingness at the base of your being, everything which does not involve wallowing in that place seems shallow and artificial.

I almost want to laugh because i was exactly like you. No one cares about you, no one cares about your dark nothingness. You cannot choose for your life not to have meaning, for making that decision is meaningful in itself.

Choose wisely.

>> No.15142303

>>15142272
>bro just choose the meaning xD

>> No.15142307

>>15141510
you should read the book of disquiet

>> No.15142330

>>15142303
You think i was never 18 in my life? You think you are smarter than me, or your parents, or your teachers.

>> No.15142333

>>15141543
>>15141576
based posts
normalizing your negativity by having it exposed through literature and philosophy is the best way to accept it and truly come to terms with it

>> No.15142361

>>15142330
Honestly, i'm not smarter than anyone but if your cure works for you, it doesnt mean that it'd work for me despite the same illness.

>> No.15142397

>>15142361
Have you gave it a shot?

>> No.15142401

>>15141749
Not him but I did for a month in conjunction with an hour of mindfulness meditation a day and rigorous aerobic and anaerobic exercise and it brought me relief from suicidal depression for nearly two years
I also think channeling my autism into reading helped cause it made my professors think I was smart and that stroked my ego

>> No.15142408

>>15142397
Yes but it didnt work. In the end it was terrible mistake which cost me couple of wasted years.

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15142409

read author's life history and if you can relate, read their works
all works are testimonies, and you should read from people who once felt like you and wanted to share the pain

>> No.15142425

>>15142408
have you tried this then >>15141543

>> No.15142426

>>15142408
Hmm, ok. If you gave it a sincere shot and it didn't work. Then ill leave you to your suffering. Maybe something else will help.

>> No.15142530

>>15142002
How can a single person be so desperate?

>> No.15142568

>>15142425
Yes, i pretty much read depressing lit in order to reach the root of depression. Sadly, it only made me more depressed and not liberated in any way.

>> No.15142867

>>15140739
Yeah pretty much this
If this stage of neoliberalism doesn’t depress you, you should probably kill yourself

>> No.15142969

>>15138381
I've had it done too. 9 "shocks" for me, and it does work.
>>15138396
You'll lose some of your memory over the time period you were doing treatment. Most places do it either two times a week or three times. I had 9 treatments in total, done twice a week. It was over the holidays and I apparently baked a cheesecake, but have zero recollection of that. But it didn't impact long-term memory or anything before or after the treatment period. They also did a test before and after measuring cognitive ability, and I showed no decline. My understanding is that the research says this is basically always the case.

>>15138401
Not bait, its real. It isn't called electroshock therapy anymore though. It's now electroconvulsive therapy. Needed to be rebranded. Its done under general anesthetic now.

>> No.15143016

>>15140047
The Egyptian Book of the Dead. There’s tons of books on Egypt to be honest. I unironically like Robert Schoch too.

>> No.15143031

>>15141543
>But when I read it, I felt less alone.
Same. Pessimist books make me feel this way.

>> No.15143352

>>15142969
How did it change your mindset?

>> No.15143523

>>15143352
A bit cliche, but it feels like a dark cloud has been lifted. I started feeling more confident in myself. I had value for once.

I also started to experience joy. Hospital staff noticed that I become much more involved with group activities and took initiative to organize games with other patients.

It isn't completely like flipping a switch though, it still takes work - you'll probably need to be on some kind of medication for maintenance. Plus, you may have to change certain aspects of your lifestyle that contribute to your depression. (This is where CBT stuff is decent.) The ECT gives a big push to make this stuff possible.

>> No.15143563

>>15143523
Was the ECT used as a last resort?

>> No.15143717

>>15137803
Absolutely, once you realize how many people have spent contemplating the exact shit you are, you can use their solutions instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.

>> No.15143819

>>15137803
this generation really needs a war to keep their shit at bay.

how many of you so called depressed endured poverty, hunger, cold or sickness in their lifes? Who in here lives in a third world country and get their hands dirty for paying the bills?

What the depressed faggots in this thread feel is not depression, is the weight of their uselessness on their shoulder and they try to run from it with meds or a form of god. You are not living if you are not struggling to live.

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>>15143819
>their problem big
>your problem no matter

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15143972

>>15141749
Not him either but microdosing + an intense dream + Carl Jung seemed to cure my depression. Philosophy kept my mind stimulated throughout and it was the only thing in my life that felt meaningful.

>> No.15144063

>>15143819
are you a boomer? today you just can't have a normal life with a pizza delivery or salesman job

>> No.15144119

>>15142250
>how so?
The whole "your judgements affect your emotions" thing came from Stoicism.
But CBT doesn't go the whole way.

>> No.15144122

run 5 miles and tell me you are 'depressed'

>> No.15144194

>>15143819
Based but bluepilled.

Depression, nihilism and the like are actual problems people have to contend with,

But i generally agree with your sentiments that most "depressed" or "nihilistic" people are faggots.

>> No.15144609

>>15143892
Wojak
>>15144063
Boomer
>>15144194
Based and bluepilled

Guess I'm just asking for something too difficult to comprehend for people that already have been assimilated to the hive mind that is this place. What I like about this place is that, to me, it's the perfect representation of the zeitgeist of this new capitalist and globalised world. Full of empty pleasures, unattainable thoughts, constituted by highly frustrated, resented, lonely, intelligent, lost, confused and enraged individuals that deep inside just want to belong to something. These people, they simply quench their sorrows on the easiest way possible, because "life was too harsh on them" and they want something to blame and rid them of the guilt for not being what they've dreamt they would be. Those who can't do this hate themselves and face suicide and depression.

This all spawns from the same problem we cannot look directly. Some choose to craw back to our caves instead of risking being blinded by the truth and considered insane for those we want to impress.

>> No.15144670

>>15140047
Ptolemy's "Geographia"

>> No.15145767

>>15143563
Sorry for the late reply. Yes. I had multiple hospitalizations that year - all cases treated with antidepressants + mood stabilizers where I had a mild improvement and then relapsed. ECT was all that was really left.

>> No.15146661

>>15144609
>risking being blinded by the truth
Theres no truth.

>> No.15146744

>>15143819
more like we have far exceeded the expected limit of humanity and now we are facing the consequences of unchecked growth and genetic erosion, resulting not in a new breed of 'weak men' but rather an excess of weak men with nothing to do resulting from two wars that raped europe and turned it into a shithole along a worldwide aftermath that created the baby boomers, who created weaklings in each following generation, anime in japan borne from more nuclear waste genetic damage and a globalized world government. Another war is exactly the opposite of what we need, unless of course you are talking about a true spiritual war.

>> No.15146786

>>15138310
Medication is probably your best bet, depression can be physiological.

>> No.15147105

>>15142194
dark nothingness can't be the base of your being, I'm familiar with the feeling but you should apply some rational scrutiny to it instead of nourishing and elevating it

>> No.15147128

>>15138952
everything cognitive is a neural pathway issue, learning and thought is a determination of new pathways

>> No.15147433

>>15146786
I took meds for couple of months but they didnt do shit.

>> No.15147459

>>15137871
This depression lost its meaning depression now is literally existential crisis or just feeling bad

>> No.15147471

>>15137871
What is even actual depression?

>> No.15147878

>>15137803
Prefer action faggot. You cannot solve problems only with your mind.

Your mind is the calcating machine, the planning, what matters is the execution machine.

This where you get your reward that makes depression evaporate. Depression is lack of reward on the execution level.

You cannot live with a calculator, you live with your body, people and God.

>> No.15147897

>>15147878
Gee, thanks God for giving me a depression.

>> No.15147917

>>15144122
I have felt depression after running and even deadlifting.

The real solution to depression is to stop living for emotions. If you pull that off, it becomes one input among many, and then disappears entirely.

>> No.15148556

bump

>> No.15149103

>>15146661
Isnt that a truth for you?

>> No.15150287

>>15149103
no