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Anonymous Fri Apr 17 18:55:41 2020 No.15126212 [Reply] [Original]

Have you read it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 18:58:24 2020 No.15126232 Read what?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:00:15 2020 No.15126247 >>15126212 No, I don’t like Stephen King, sorry

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:03:41 2020 No.15126281 >>15126212 >reading Finnegans Wake cringe >eating Finnegans Wake based

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:04:27 2020 No.15126289 >>15126212 Waste of time. If you must consume modernism, read Pound's Cantos instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:12:49 2020 No.15126353 Now. Why would I waste my time with primitive bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:30:15 2020 No.15126468 >>15126212 I have. What would you know of it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:41:43 2020 No.15126557 >>15126468 What did you think?

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:52:37 2020 No.15126627

>>15126557
It is like standing upon the shore and looking out to midstream, feeling the salt-spray and the sea-wind. Every droplet upon you is its own multiplied and idiosyncratic impression, such that they each open up to you worlds unknown: atoms dividing into infinite soundscapes and multiplicities. It is like hearing the totality of human experience in a conversation in another room -- muffled, indistinct, polyglottic, unintelligible, but you can hear distinctly the tone of their voices (men and women, children and birds), decipher the emotions in the air and in their bodies, understand the longings and desires of them.

It is like a canvas: impressionistic, vague, as if someone had taken as his or her subject the history of language and had tried to make some portrait of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 19:54:45 2020 No.15126643 >>15126627 That bad, eh?

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:15:06 2020 No.15126779

>>15126212
Yes. It was very fun. I have fond memories of spending my mornings at the university library reading Finnegans Wake. I had checked out William York Tyndall's Reader's Guide to Finnegans Wake. I would get to the library around 8:30 or 9am. Grab a reading carrel on a quiet study floor. Prime myself by reading the relevant chapter in Tyndall. Absorb the chapter in Finnegans Wake. Then reflect on what I read by reading the relevant chapter in Tyndall again. Then I'd eat lunch and head to my class at 2pm.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:27:31 2020 No.15126839 >>15126212 I can’t read

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:37:58 2020 No.15126885 >>15126779 this is the literary lifestyle /lit/ wishes they had. i commend you

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 20:39:12 2020 No.15126891 >>15126627 gay

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 21:09:59 2020 No.15127069 >>15126627 Damn. This makes me want to read it.

Anonymous Fri Apr 17 21:48:40 2020 No.15127312

>>15126627
This is why I come to this board! I'll certainly read it one day, but I have a lot more to do before. I have the feeling that some books are going to be life-changing and that I should read them at a specific point in life for them to achieve their potential.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 21:50:44 2020 No.15127325 >>15126779 You read it wrong becuase you read a primer first.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 21:52:56 2020 No.15127336 >>15126212 Yes, and it's the definitive text of humanity.

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Anonymous Fri Apr 17 22:09:40 2020 No.15127432

>>15126212
Finished book one. Have the complete novels in one volume and even though I read Dubliners>Ulysses>Portrait>FW they feel like a single work. This line in Portrait stood out to me
>To discover the mode of life or of art whereby your spirit could express itself in unfettered freedom.
Ulysses felt like an initial foray into that discovery and as I'm reading Finnegan's Wake I'm constantly thinking goddammit he really did it. It's astonishing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 17 22:52:59 2020 No.15127705 >>15126289 FW isn’t modernism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 02:47:06 2020 No.15128854 >>15127705 a nonsensical post.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:45:48 2020 No.15129082 >>15126212 You aren't getting his bones for your satanic ritual. Stop making these threads.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:52:47 2020 No.15129108 >>15126212 No, it is worth it or is it a meme?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:53:06 2020 No.15129112 >>15126212 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVy2Y6lwEg

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:56:04 2020 No.15129117

>>15126212
It's a wonderful book, beautifully written. The prose is vivid and finely chiseled, without a single superfluous word. The imagery is unique and majestic, of a biblical flavor. The author shows off his wide lexicon and always uses precise terms instead of vague, generic ones. Sometimes he even invents his own. The vegetation is described with the precision of a botanist, and the desert and the mountains with that of a geologist. The descriptions of the landscape are evocative and suggestive without ever being purple. Sometimes they get very close to being poetry. The battles are told in a very crude, matter-of-fact way that fits very well with the atmosphere.

Now, this isn't an easy book to read. It doesn't have that je ne sais quoi that makes you forget you're reading a story. It doesn't flow effortlessly. In fact, in some passages you feel like you're mudding through a swamp. Crucial details are thrown into long sentences devoid of punctuation and full of metaphors and complex analogies. It takes legit effort to picture in your mind what the hell is going on, but it's effort that always pays.

The author also refuses to use internal dialogues and even dialogue tags. He purposefully restricts his own writing arsenal in order to hone to perfection the few tools he does choose to use. He only shows us his characters through their actions and bare words, without any sort of commentary. There's no filter, as if we're witnessing what happens through a camera instead of through a person. The result is a style occasionally difficult to absorb, but certainly a perfect fit for the story he was telling.

Finally, Judge Holden is one of the best characters I've ever come across. But did he really have to rape the Kid in that latrine? That felt so gratuitous.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:57:17 2020 No.15129120 >>15129117 >>15126627 these two posts are two big red flags, Dont fall for the meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:57:28 2020 No.15129125 >>15129117 A-anon, I...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 03:58:35 2020 No.15129131 >>15126627 pretentious drivel

cunt !OvNqHWMOSk Sat Apr 18 04:09:11 2020 No.15129172
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>>15129117
>The imagery is unique and majestic, of a biblical flavor. The author shows off his wide lexicon
There are people that get really horny over books like this, and they act like its makes them a better person for being so.
sounds like a good book anyways, ill add it to my list

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:32:45 2020 No.15130325 >>15126212 waiting for my 30s

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 08:37:53 2020 No.15130350 >>15129112 What an introduction

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:05:42 2020 No.15130507 I've yet to read Joyce, should I start with Dubliners?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:14:55 2020 No.15130546 >>15130507 Start with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stewart_Parnell

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:14:56 2020 No.15130547

I've read the first chapter twice. Once while sober, once while high. Reading it high was an experience, really made it flow and allowed all the puns and associations to jump out.
After quarantine is over I'm planning on reading the whole thing, once while high and then rereading each section once sober.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:48:54 2020 No.15130731 >>15130546 >kek My dead King!

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:53:00 2020 No.15130756

>>15126212
To be fully honest with you anon, I don't know how anyone with the intelligence to understand FW can stand reading it. It's a gargled mess of metaphors and word play that express the eternal need to tell a story (Finnegan is a soldier that died), and it's about taking the community's voice (the bird museum is language as our songs), and then putting it into stone, or the city, while we riverrun through it - and then there's nuance around the cyclicality of it blah blah. It's beautiful, but, well... obvious where it's beautiful and irritating where it's not obvious. The wordplay, if you catch it enough, is ematically enervating (there's a little joke every 1-3 sentences on word meanings or in FW'ian, "twotoungesaid," and I got to the point of groaning every time I saw it). I seriously laughed and was in awe multiple times while reading it, but put it down after 70 pages because, well, it's just not profound. What Joyce tries to sidestep is the limitation of what human symbols can be saved, and the cruel joke isn't that we just need more symbols, but that we'll never save ourselves and our narratives are always incomplete, wrong, or, well, not as beautiful. That all being said, I'm glad that Joyce wrote it, but it pains me to say that if you think it's good my guess is you don't process all of his little jokes but want to feel brilliant, and the people that do get them and still enjoy them are just overly domesticated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:53:59 2020 No.15130762 >>15126212 God, no.

Anonymous Sat Apr 18 09:57:14 2020 No.15130782

>>15130756
As a side note, there are roughly 4-5 multilingual puns per page (I know German and French and having working knowledge of Latin and Italian) and it's beyond fucking ridiculous. He'll connect words in a unique way but to bring out a new sensation with the words, but fuck, without a little bit of proper structure and build up, it's just bad poetry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:02:54 2020 No.15130812 >>15126627 You know what? I might try it. Thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 10:09:18 2020 No.15130855 >>15130756 >well, it's just not profound Yeah, welcome to modernism. We live in degenerate times.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 18 12:32:08 2020 No.15131927 >>15126212 Yes. It was torture because I'm a midwit, and it is absolutely inferior to Ulysses, but on the other hand it's pretty funny, and the feeling you get when you figure out a passage is unparalleled. >>15130731 based "My dead King" poster

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