/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15106391]

What books have helped you realize your identity (ethnicity, religion, culture, etc.)?

[Anonymous No.15106399]

All of the Halo books from back when the game was good

[Anonymous No.15106413]

>>15106391
>culture, religion, ethnicity
That's cope for NPCs who can't form their own identity except by conforming to their immediate surroundings

[Anonymous No.15106423]

>>15106391
>realize your identity
There's no Being, just Becoming

[Anonymous No.15106501]

>>15106391
Being No One by Metzinger helped me realize identity is nonsense

[Anonymous No.15106510]

>>15106501
pffff dude... cmon

[Anonymous No.15106525]

identity is a meme and a spook

[Anonymous No.15106607]

>>15106413
>>15106423
>>15106501
>>15106525
shalom

[Anonymous No.15106618]

>>15106391
>ethnicity, religion, culture
spook, spook, spook

[Anonymous No.15106621]

>>15106423
you're a retard

[Anonymous No.15106624]

>>15106391
critique of pure reason

[Anonymous No.15106686]

>>15106413
>>15106525
>>15106618
Cuckolds are not allowed to come to /lit/

[Anonymous No.15106702]

Into the Wild

[Anonymous No.15106725]

my diary desu

[Anonymous No.15106856]

Growth of the Soil helped me realize my identity as a human being.
A Time of Gifts really makes you appreciate the depth and richness of European culture. It's one thing to know gothic architecture is ancient and fancy, and another to read about it in Fermor's words.

[Anonymous No.15106898]

>>15106391
flow. there's a section about consciousness and i had a panic attack while reading it because it was attacking my sense of self (not kidding). it felt the same as when you get too high, and i'm even getting tense now talking about it.

[Anonymous No.15106961]

>>15106391
>Muslim letters
Into the trash it goes. The book that made me realize my identity was Moby Dick and the constitution.
>>15106399
Checked and I agree. The gears of war pendulum wars book made me cry.

[Anonymous No.15106970]

>>15106686
go be a slave to your illusions somewhere else you miserable fucking fool

[Anonymous No.15106979]

Labels label me not. "identity" isn't a static thing. People do things differently from day to day

[Anonymous No.15106987]

>>15106391
>Identity

[Anonymous No.15107006]

>>>15106413
>>>15106423
>>>15106501
>>>15106525
Proof that a higher literacy rate only invites in retards.

[Anonymous No.15107027]

>>15106961
>Muslim letters
bro...

https://www.instagram.com/halikyspr

[Anonymous No.15107030]

I don't have any of that.

[Anonymous No.15107047]

>>15106970
Stop it please, cuckold.

[Anonymous No.15107082]

>>15106607
>americans

[Anonymous No.15107106]

>>15107047
don't forget to share your wife with the fellow men of your "ethnicity"

[Anonymous No.15107163]

Unironically this one.

[Anonymous No.15107227]

>>15107106
No. My woman is just for me. Stop projecting your own values onto others, cuckold.

[Anonymous No.15107264]

Having a cultural framework is good and all, but at some point without substance which in the past was found in religion it just becomes a big larp for neets who see themselves as cosmic aryans like that jive guy or the golden one

[Anonymous No.15107327]

>>15107227
nah im good i have no "fellow men", no pussy to submit too
>Stop projecting your own values onto others
i mean you are the one who is saying me cuckold. so does this means that you're also projecting your own values onto others?
so speculation was right then.

[Anonymous No.15107730]

>>15107047
mega retarded cuck ultimate projecting
Is everyone from your shared identity allowed to fuck your wife little cucko?

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[Anonymous No.15107817]

>>15106391
No such thing as an identity, its only separation from ones true nature.
Its merely imposed backround lore + social indoctrination its all unreal and transient; ancestors,country,ethnicity etc all parts of the role ask yourself who is playing the role , you die you lose the role and start a completely new other role. its all bullshit in the end only awareness remains.
Hylic niggers will seethe at this truth for the veil has been lifted.

[Anonymous No.15107824]

>>15106391
my diary desulesu

[Anonymous No.15107825]

[Anonymous No.15108072]

As somebody with a lot of Norwegian ancestry, a kid's book I read as a child was my introduction into Norse legends and sagas and all. The Saga of Erik the Viking is a great read from ages 8 to 80. Afterwards, I got into Anglo-Saxon poetry and the Sagas, but this was the original.

To be fair, though, reading other cultures' ancient legends have probably been just as important -- got to know what you aren't in order to know what you are. So old Japanese and Korean stuff, the Hebrew Bible, Greek classics...

But that's a somewhat mystical answer (can distant ancestors really be an "identity"?), so I'll give a second one to complement it. Closer to home, I'm from the Rust Belt and so Kurt Vonnegut's books (he's a Hoosier) feel very homey. Hocus Pocus in particular. For a deep feeling of connection, maybe one should try reading books from one's geographic region...?

[Anonymous No.15108122]

>>15108072
Basing your identity on the local hive mind of the region kek ,such are the masses

[Anonymous No.15108204]

>>15106391
naruto tagalog dub

[Anonymous No.15108216]

>>15108072
>vikangz
literal subhuman barbarians

[Anonymous No.15108217]

books that help realize your identity (self) also help break any connections you have with ethnicity or culture

[Anonymous No.15108225]

>>15107006
>>15107047
Provide a proper response, kid.

[Anonymous No.15108232]

I've always had the sneaking suspicion than 90% of the human race is just a massive circlejerk.

Like go to any group of people with the same banal interests, or who listen to the same bands, who who speak the same dialect, or who look slightly similar to each other. Do they have productive dialogues about these apparent commonalities? Never, it's all the same lame non-conversations, only everyone is slobbering over each other's dicks because they perceive some common ground.

It's even worse when you go around people for whom "identity" is a big part of their life. Spent some time in college, and every shade of brown, even the mutt kids who just had brown eyes and a third world parents, would all clump together to complain about how one time somebody crossed the street in front of them and how they're so cool and hardworking for "surviving" in the "white supremacy" system. Bunch of obnoxious nigs, all dumb as shit, but they ran in groups sucking each other off so they never had to deal with the discomfort of realizing they aren't special.

Not that white people are any different. Like I'm riding on the train and some fucking junky with a shaved head and swastika tats sits next to me and starts bitching about his life like I owe him money for being his "aryan brother" or whatever gay shit.

And everywhere I go whenever people get into a group of three or more, it just seems to turn into a hug-box circlejerk where everyone needs to acknowledge how special and unique everyone else is in order to be accepted. I used to use it for my advantage, taking whatever ethnic ambiguity I could use to get free shit and favours from the mouth-breathing cunts who cared. It was interesting to see how groups of kikes traveling from Israel would step over homeless gentiles in the street then buy me a meal when I told them I was a "jewthiest".

Do people even have friends? Interests? Passions? More and more most people just strike me as automatons trying to carve out some imaginary niche for security, telling themselves "I am this and this and this" so that they never have to see themselves for what they really are. It all falls apart under the smallest bit of scrutiny or pressure too, so they lash out violently at even the suggestion that they aren't really the protagonist in their imagined mental movie.

That shit keeps me up at night, man.

[Anonymous No.15108238]

>>15106391
I've read books that dissolved my identity and merged it with the sea of Being.

[Anonymous No.15108255]

I've always had the sneaking suspicion than 90% of the human race is just a massive circlejerk.

Like go to any group of people with the same banal interests, or who listen to the same bands, who who speak the same dialect, or who look slightly similar to each other. Do they have productive dialogues about these apparent commonalities? Never, it's all the same lame non-conversations, only everyone is slobbering over each other's dicks because they perceive some common ground.

It's even worse when you go around people for whom "identity" is a big part of their life. Spent some time in college, and every shade of brown, even the mutt kids who just had brown eyes and a third world parents, would all clump together to complain about how one time somebody crossed the street in front of them and how they're so cool and hardworking for "surviving" in the "white supremacy" system. Bunch of obnoxious nigs, all dumb as shit, but they ran in groups sucking each other off and beating their chest for handouts so they never had to deal with the discomfort of realizing they aren't special. Fucking jigaboos

Not that white people are any different. Like I'm riding on the train and some fucking junky with a shaved head and swastika tats sits next to me and starts bitching about his life like I owe him money for being his "aryan brother" or whatever gay shit. People like that should be rounded up and stuck in camps, if you know what I mean. Absolutely worthless, but they think their skin colour entitles them to something.

And everywhere I go whenever people get into a group of three or more, it just seems to turn into a hug-box circlejerk where everyone needs to acknowledge how special and unique everyone else is in order to be accepted. I used to use it for my advantage, taking whatever ethnic ambiguity I could use to get free shit and favours from the mouth-breathing cunts who cared. It was interesting to see how groups of kikes traveling from Israel would step over homeless gentiles in the street then buy me a meal when I told them I was a "jewthiest".

Do people even have friends? Interests? Passions? More and more most people just strike me as automatons trying to carve out some imaginary niche for security, telling themselves "I am this and this and this" so that they never have to see themselves for what they really are. It all falls apart under the smallest bit of scrutiny or pressure too, so they lash out violently at even the suggestion that they aren't really the protagonist in their imagined mental movie.

That shit keeps me up at night, man.

[Anonymous No.15108268]

I've come to terms that when my parents die, I'll have lost any real, meaningful ties to my culture/ethnicity.

I don't have many friends of my cultural background and only have a basic grasp of my mother tongue, so any attempts at a notion of cultural identity through books will be just academic and not based on a true, lived reality.

[Anonymous No.15108269]

>>15108232
based

[Anonymous No.15108280]

>>15108232
incredibly based you misanthropic fuck
Celine would be proud

[Anonymous No.15108309]

>>15107327
>so does this means that you're also projecting your own values onto others?
No.

>>15107730
Please stop spamming your stuff, cuckold.

[Anonymous No.15108314]

Kalevala desu

[Anonymous No.15108317]

>>15108122
Where are you from?

[Anonymous No.15108350]

>>15108317
Mexico, now in LA

[Anonymous No.15108360]

>>15108317
Europe but i realize what are parts of a role you play on the stage and the real self is

[Anonymous No.15108437]

>>15108255
you must be fun at parties

[Anonymous No.15108745]

>>15108360
>i realize what are parts of a role you play on the stage and the real self is
whut

[Anonymous No.15108760]

>>15106391
The Bible

[Anonymous No.15108782]

>>15108072
Nice post fren. Sometimes I wonder whether we've lost something that many past generations took for granted, namely that their literature described places (and kinds of places) fundamentally like their own. Even if you aren't inclined to the volkisch and mystic (I am, but still) that must have powerful subtle effects when compounded on itself across generations.

I'm not sure what awakened me to my own people. I slowly became a fascist the more I learned about Europe's history and philosophy. Maybe reading history was the biggest influence. But reading the history of other peoples too like you say.

[Anonymous No.15108842]

>>15106391
Byliny

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IjCOWmtItUE

[Anonymous No.15109258]

>>15106391
Honestly, The Republic was the book that initially made me realize that there are morals and that I can choose to live my life a certain way. It made me realize that there is obligations and I want to live my life in a good manner.

[Anonymous No.15109417]

Decline of the West
Fathers and Sons
The Death of Ivan Ilyich

[Anonymous No.15109626]

>>15106391
Trainspotting
Lanark
Poor Things

[Anonymous No.15109671]

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in early HS probably. Furthered interest in philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15109811]

>>15106423
You have to be to be-come.
Retard

[Anonymous No.15109843]

*reels from the Hobbit Pipe-Weed man's post*
That's going to keep me up at night too.

So, book that helped me realize my identity, or at least got me thinking about the concept of identity, and what it actually means, what it could be and should be...

The Man Without a Country by Edward Everett Hale, one of the greatest-- possibly THE greatest-- literary work about American Identity.

[Anonymous No.15109916]

>>15108350
How many people have you beheaded Pablo?

[Anonymous No.15110615]

>>15106391

[Anonymous No.15110623]

>>15108072
>>15108255
Have sex

[Anonymous No.15110640]

>>15106423
>There's no Being, just Becoming
OH NO NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.15110673]

>>15106391
pic related

[Anonymous No.15110687]

>>15106391
pic related

[Anonymous No.15110712]

>>15106423
Process and reality ftw

[Anonymous No.15110730]

Pic related: Patah Eliyahou, French-Hebrew edition.

[Anonymous No.15110732]

>>15108255
Humans are apes. That's all you need to know. All is monkey business, even literature.

[Anonymous No.15110737]

>>15106391

[Anonymous No.15110746]

>>15106423
(tranny)

[Anonymous No.15110751]

>>15108255
Have you ever considered that your superficial engagement with all those social circles is the main reason you can't see substance in any of them?

By contrast have you ever experienced a real, deep, private friendship that helped you realize the differencz between friendship and socialization?

If not then certainly the problem must take some of its roots feom you.

[Anonymous No.15110766]

>>15110751
Yes on both counts. Pretty sure the problem is other people.

[Anonymous No.15110775]

>>15106423
dilate

[cunt !OvNqHWMOSk No.15110801]

>>15106391
>dude you just posted cringe
but stop it really, that "identity" is retard cope shit

[Anonymous No.15110956]

The Eddas

[Anonymous No.15111001]

I aint got no ethnicity, culture, religion or mummy-daddy

[Anonymous No.15111068]

Hegel + 300ug + aggressive deconstruction showed me the triviality of all particularities, of all that identity celebrates. All identity is cope. It is one thing to recognise the contingency of your individual self, as crafted by tradition and history, it is another to celebrate that contingency (or equally to angrily renounce it). Tradition is art is beautiful is cope is illusion. Try not to find reasons for your own recognition (by others) in your every happenstance.

[Anonymous No.15111089]

>>15109417
>death of ivan ilyich
how, may i ask? finished it the other day

[Anonymous No.15111329]

>>15110801
you are really cunt, babe

[Anonymous No.15111412]

>>15106391
None, that's a really silly thing to need help to. Searching for yourself in a book is the same as searching for yourself in another person.
No one can help you besides you, it's a lonely road, you should seek for expriences rather than books.

[Anonymous No.15111512]

>>15107779
What the fuck is this about?

[Anonymous No.15111952]

Posts in this thread are an explanation of why the United States and Europe in 100 years will be a territory inhabited by mulattos without a nationality, professing a mixture of Islam, Buddhism and New Age.

[Anonymous No.15111957]

>>15111952
you talk like it's a bad

[Anonymous No.15111980]

>>15111957
Kek

[Anonymous No.15112034]

[Anonymous No.15112481]

>>15107264
That's how I saw myself when I was like 16-18 lmao.

[Anonymous No.15112496]

>>15111412
Meditative reading of Bible for 3000 years contradicts your claim.

[Anonymous No.15112846]

>>15108255
You don't need to predicate your sense of identity on a mystical experience that taps you into your national earth, or feel the presence of God on a pilgrimage like the narrator in Submission. Most people will assert some form of cultural or national identity if you ask them. They haven't arrived at their answer through a personal journey of self-exploration and veneration of the traditions of their ancestors, they've likely grown up in a particular cultural milieu, acquired familiarity with a unique form of social conventions, etc. and then have come to understand themselves as 'English', or 'French', or 'Punjabi' and so on.

Regardless of the perspective you have developed concerning the culture in which you were raised, you remain tied to it through certain patterns of behaviour and certain conscious or unsoncious responses to given social cues, traditions and rituals. I was mostly raised in the U.K. but I have family in a Mediterranean country. I spent a lot of time and learned that with the language came a wholly different series of cultural cues and accepted or encouraged behaviours. Regardless of whether I 'like' or 'endorse' British drinking culture, I instinctively understand how one is meant to behave in a pub, how you talk to people, what social conventions exist and so on. If one of my foreign relatives comes to visit, regardless of whether they 'like' the social conventions of British drinking culture, even if they like it more than I do, they don't have the immutable familiarity with it that comes naturally to an Englishman raised in that cultural milieu. You can't say it comes from something primordial lurking deep in my blood, but it is something that is inextricable from a personal sense of identity.

[Anonymous No.15113965]

>>15112034
Apa, здpaвcтвyй.

[Anonymous No.15113997]

>>15106391
I would say mainly Imperium By a Francis Parker Yockey
Made me culturally aware and understand the value of religion to a nation

[Anonymous No.15114236]

>>15106391

[Anonymous No.15114280]

>>15108255
13? 14?

[Anonymous No.15114645]

>>15111980
Is he /our guy/?

[Anonymous No.15114767]

>>15114236
Where to start with him and Maiorescu

[Anonymous No.15114994]

>>15114767
https://www.academia.edu/20264316/Titu_Maiorescu_Critice

http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/sarapedeal.php

[Anonymous No.15115058]

>>15108122

But it's important to have some commonality with the people around you. Otherwise, you'll turn bitter and alienated. That's a shit life.

[Anonymous No.15115216]

>>15108782
That's cool bro. I think it's absolutely wonderful to build an identity out of history and place. Geography is definitely fundamental in forming culture/a people. Like how all the ancients in northern Europe (and also for some reason Japan) are into worshiping trees, but for the Mediterranean people it's always a sun or a rain/thunder god.

I originally got into Nordic identity because my parents raised me neo-pagan. It's a good thing to believe in. Funny that you are a fascist, though -- I am a communist. We probably don't agree on much else.

[Anonymous No.15115310]

>>15115216
I like to think of the manifest aspects, like those often reduced by anthropologists to "well they were around trees a lot so they anthropomorphized and divinized trees," being just the (currently) visible and "en-worlded" extensions of things that have esoteric dimensions as well. And I like to think that the visible is not simply an emanation or imperfect manifestation of the esoteric, but it has a function too. There's a reason we have been thrown into the world to interact with particular, contingent trees just as much as there is a reason why there are different root-races (in some sense) at an esoteric level.

I say fascist but I probably have more in common with you than you think. I would say Nazbol if it wasn't a meme. I usually say national socialist with lower case n and s. Capitalism is cancer, the future is organic socialism, I just don't think hardcore materialist Marxism of the ca. 1900 variety is going to accomplish that. I tend to think that the best Marxists, like Sombart and Gramsci, become non-internationalist, non-reductive socialists at the end of the day, and that even the better anti-fascist Marxists like the Frankfurt School were themselves chafing at not being able to return to "right Hegelianism."

Any Marxism whose ultimate "why bother?" question is answered with vague reference to virtues like freedom, but while denying any metaphysical anchorage for those virtues and instead gesturing to humanist/bourgeois sentimentalism, is Marxism that ultimately can't justify itself. I'm a Marxist because I fucking hate capitalism because I love freedom and the free self-creation of individuals (people, peoples, and through these, humanity as a whole).

[Anonymous No.15115372]

>>15108255

Sounds like you hang out with superficial rich people. When people (of all races) are rich, identity is a nametag they wear. They brag about it, but it doesn't mean anything. It might as well be designer clothing. Often their friendships mean nothing as well. They have never been tested, never had to realize what really matters in a moment of crisis. They have never needed deep empathy.

The only identities that really matter are those forged through shared suffering. Pain is where brotherhood is born -- when people help each other through rough shit, real identity takes root. When a family comes together after a child's death, or a community in the face of a natural disaster, or a church when somebody's house burns down, or a platoon under enemy fire. These are the strongest identities. The rest is a pretty shallow, I agree.

[Anonymous No.15115774]

>>15115372
>you see, the problem is that you are not around people that identify with the attribute I identify with. Those people are of course shallow, but there is this one thing that I and a select for other people have in our experiences which makes our lives and identities much more meaningful and deep. Yes, my poor brother, this is it. We are this and they are that so let’s sit together in the shade for a while and jerk at each other’s dickies about how authentic we are.
Like clockwork. You probably don’t even comprehend how much you’re proving the OP’s point.

[Anonymous No.15115787]

>>15115774
I am willing to reject rich/poor facticity as long as I also reserve my right to liquidate the moneyed classes

[Anonymous No.15115875]

>>15115787
Being poor and spending much of my life around poor people all i can say is that it slowly eats away at your soul and crushes decent people through constant abuse and anxiety. Many of the kindest and engaging people I’ve met have been the well of children of doctors and lawyers, because they could afford a kind of aristocratic affability. You can only starve, get spit on, sleep on the streets, etc. so many times before you loose some of your goodness. I’ve seen the most decent man I know turned into a heroin fueled cell of a man and a petty crook out of desperation and poverty. Working dead end jobs, having deadbeat relatives, and drifting in and out of prison isn’t authentic,
It’s a miserable way to live.

Stop fetishizing something you’ve probably never experienced because you grew up lower middle class. Stupid cunt.