RIP

[Anonymous No.15094493]

Thomas Pynchon
1937-2020
You will be missed.

[Anonymous No.15094496]

>>15094493
yes i have a copy of vineland
no i will not read it

[Anonymous No.15094580]

>it's true
Fuck you Corona!!!!

[Anonymous No.15094597]

>>15094493
lol

[Anonymous No.15094608]

>>15094496
Its not THAT bad, it really explored Pynchons ideas of the seductive and corruptive power of Them. Im a pretty big sucker for the death of the 60s though so any story about burnout hippies who refuse to move on is right up my alley

[Anonymous No.15094613]

this nigga perSISTS

[Anonymous No.15094621]

NOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.15094645]

>>15094608
>Im a pretty big sucker for the death of the 60s
What are you, 80?

[Anonymous No.15094680]

>>15094645
Apparently. I think its a good metaphor for realizing their youthful dreams have failed and its time to become more realistic. A fact ive been coming to terms with for a few years now. The movie Withnail & I is another example I really enjoy

[Anonymous No.15095183]

>>15094608
Who is Them?

[Anonymous No.15095186]

The day Pynchon dies is the day i leave this board.

[Anonymous No.15095197]

>>15095186
Bye

[Anonymous No.15095203]

Post proof or it didn't happen

[Anonymous No.15095206]

>>15095203
I had a dream that he died.

[Anonymous No.15095216]

>>15095206
Please submit broofs that it was a prophetic dream.

[Anonymous No.15095225]

Holy shit

[Anonymous No.15095233]

>>15095203

[Anonymous No.15095264]

>SOURCE??? YIKES, YOU NEED A PROOF FOR THAT!!! WE HAVE TO UNPACK THIS. DOESNT MATTER THAT I HAVE NO BASIS FOR MY EPISTEMOLOGY AND MY WHOLE LIFE FUNDAMENTALLY IS ILLOGICAL. I REQUIRE PROOF FOR ALL THE THINGS I DONT WANT TO BELIEVE!

[Anonymous No.15095270]

>Look mom I referenced ten obscure things in each sentence and only TWO of the references serve my overarching themes lol haha and now the reader will have to define each reference to fully understand each meaningless sentence, and by that point he'll have spent a really really long amount of time reading and then re-reading the same sentence over and over and over because I HATE good prose and I HATE beauty and I just wanna sing songs about dumb stuff like BOOTY haha it wasn't even a good rhyme haha haha free modifiers haha noun phrases haha SEX
Pynchon is the two and a half men tier pablum of literate apes.

[Anonymous No.15095276]

>>15095270
Pynchonfags completely and utterly BTFO

[Anonymous No.15095291]

>>15095270
>w-wait, you mean I have to actually try to understand the book? The author won't just tell me what he's talking about? How can I possibly be expected to do such a task?

[Anonymous No.15095301]

>>15095291
You're a cuck if you willingly allow yourself to be mindraped by Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.15095313]

>>15095301
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVEL COMPLEX PROSE THAT REQUIRES THE LITTLEST BIT OF EFFORT FROM THE READER TO UNDERSTAND, MY MIND CAN'T TAKE IT! SAVE ME HEMINGWAY, NIGGGGGGGGGEEERRRRRRRMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[Anonymous No.15095321]

>>15095270

This. Thanks for giving words to what I have been feeling about Pynchon for so long.

[Anonymous No.15095327]

>>15094613
There are at least 2 people posting RIP Pynchon threads.

[Anonymous No.15095347]

>>15095291
Maybe Pynchon should write something worth understanding.

[Anonymous No.15095356]

>>15095183
Those in control, left purposefully ambiguous for reasons you can learn by reading his books

[Anonymous No.15095359]

>>15095313

It’s not worth the effort. There is neither the poetic beauty of Shakespeare, Dickinson or Melville nor the simplicty and great story telling of Tolstoy or Checkhov. It’s the kind of thing someone who really, really wants to be a poet but who lacks talent would come up with. Joyce and Faulkner had the same desire and lack of talent (wanted to be poets but didn’t had the gift), yet they managed to somehow achieve better results. Pynchon is some sort of Marvel heroes for people with culture. There is no humanity in his works, and even his humor is forced, lacking any sign of wit or a real understanding of humans.

[Anonymous No.15095379]

>>15095359
>no humanity
This really baffles me, I think Doestoyevski is the only other author Ive read to hit on the beauty and tragidy of the human condition as well as Pynchon. For me at least, there are multiple moments I can think of in each book of his that have left me completely breathless

[Anonymous No.15095390]

>>15095356
I am reading now but not Vineland

[Anonymous No.15095391]

>>15095270
What's the point of being in the literature board if you're illiterate?

[Anonymous No.15095395]

>>15095359
>Joyce and Faulkner had the same desire and lack of talent
Nigger are you really trying to say fucking Joyce and Faulkner, the kings of the modernist movement, lacked talent
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.15095405]

>>15095390
Oh, well the"Them" he refers to is essentialy the same in all his books, at least from what I can tell

[Anonymous No.15095412]

>>15095379
This. Read Pokler chapter in GR and try not to be rattled

[Anonymous No.15095427]

>>15095405
*the* Them?

[Anonymous No.15095428]

>>15095412
A major one that really sticks out to me is the pedophile expat section in the Stencils Impressions chapter of V. I cant think of anything that so carefully expresses regret about becoming the person you are as that

[Anonymous No.15095431]

>>15095395
How the hell could Joyce have lacked talent you stupid dumb nigger, try reading Finnegaks Wake douche and then say that.

[Anonymous No.15095434]

>>15095427
Pynchon frequently refers to a nebulous "They" or "Them" throughout his books

[Anonymous No.15095435]

>>15095428
Actually can't remember that myself man, it was like 4 years ago when I read it. I remember Mondaugen Story as one of the best things I've read tho. Imma have a look at that chapter now, the one u reference

[Anonymous No.15095442]

>>15095435
I just Recently reread V. and was shocked by how good it was and how little Id understood it on my first read

[Anonymous No.15095446]

MODS STICKY

[Anonymous No.15095452]

>>15095442
I read V and Lot49 around the same time 4 years ago. Finished GR a few days ago. Thinking Mason and Dixon next, but not for a bit as GR was exhausting in its own way

[Anonymous No.15095483]

>>15095183
You hide, they seek.

[Anonymous No.15095497]

>>15095483
>>15095183

[Anonymous No.15095498]

>>15095270
Sperg-tastic post

[Anonymous No.15095509]

Can't believe its already been half a year since Bloom died

[Anonymous No.15095525]

>>15095497
t.
It's not my fault my pattern recognition is in ok shape. The gall as a jew to call others schizophenic

[Anonymous No.15095540]

>>15095525
You can find patterns in anything if you look hard enough. Its expecially easy when you consider someone with like 10% Semitic ancestry to be Jewish instead of whatever the 90% is

[Anonymous No.15095562]

>>15095540
I know but it's been confirmed too many times by too many different people for too many centuries for it to be bias anymore

[Anonymous No.15095576]

>>15095525
It's unlikely that every jew is part of sone grand scheme to over throw the world order, many aren't even that powerful. There are plenty of leopold blooms in the world anon

[Anonymous No.15095588]

>>15094493
>>15094580
f you guys

[Anonymous No.15095610]

>>15095576
Lemme axe you summin'
What is the Torah? the Oral Torah? What is it for?

[Anonymous No.15095629]

>>15095562
Its caused by xenophobia and needing to scapegoat what people think of as foreign. Its not that big of a mystery

[Anonymous No.15095631]

>>15095629
It isn't

[Anonymous No.15095687]

>>15095183
>He doesn't know about the (((irish)))

[Anonymous No.15095688]

>>15095576
>>15095576
>every jew
>grand scheme
>over throw the world order
Kind of a straw man of what people suggest about the JQ, anon. Their argument is closer to this:
1 many jews possess an intense sense of tribalism for fellow jews and a resentment/indifference for non-jews.
2 These feeling drives many jews to willfully abuse, exploit, or harm non jews. In some cases, such behavior is deliberate; in more cases, it is a consequence of tribalistic actions (and unintentional), but many times if they realize that it hurts non jews, they remain indifferent.
3 since their actions (tho sometimes unintentional) harm nonjews, the groups should not live together.

[Anonymous No.15095745]

>>15095629
>Isaiah 60
>>15095687
I know only a little bit

[Anonymous No.15095845]

>>15094608

I preferred Vineland to both V and The Crying-Lot of 49. I don't think any book has explored the transition from the rough-hewn idealism of 60s collectivism to the vapid cynicism of 80s individualism with such profundity. There's the classic HST "Lol, the American dream is dead" take, but there was something a lot more psychological about the way Pynchon flitted between the anarchic twilight of the hippy counterculture to the banality of life in the 80s, the way he captured the evanescent hope of the pre-Nixon era, and its melting away into a sludge of statism, austerity, and consumer capitalism.

Brock was a perfectly constructed character. He represented the repressive nature of American society that the counterculture had partly formed in response to, but himself ends up being "just another budget cut" in the 80s when his character disappears in real-time as the neo-liberal state brandishes its katana and his job - a comfy public sector job that was an outgrowth of the New Deal - is chucked into the same history book the hippies were doomed to languish in.

I'm not doing the book enough justice. It was quite a hefty tome - if not in size, then in scope - and it's hard to disentangle the myriad sensations is invoked in me. It made me mourn the loss of a time I never experienced, and lament the path we chose to go down.