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Writing is a suicidal act.

>> No.15087627

>>15087577
wrong

>"A book is a suicide postponed"
-Emil Cioran

>> No.15089215

>>15087627
Actually, not wrong.

>"Writing is a suicidal act."
-OP

>> No.15089229

writing is actually a type of travel.

>> No.15089253

>duhhh life is dying, duhhh.
I was a bit goth in my teens, so I know this dumb outlook on life, and it’s just for making yourself depressed. Get over yourself, OP.

>> No.15089260

writing is an act of creation

>> No.15089315

shut the fuck up nerds

>> No.15089381

>>15087577
Writers have some of the most inflated senses of self worth or at least overly poetic self images out of any profession. The idea that writing is this gargantuan sacrifice made by the author because they just had to tell thier story is an extension of that

>> No.15089490

Thats just the creepiest shit you could send me.

>> No.15089556

>>15087627
in which book he says that?

>> No.15089577

>>15089253
What if I was already depressed before I thought this way because I have an incurable progressive illness that takes years to kill but stops me from doing the things I love

>> No.15089608

>>15089577
That would depress me too. Sorry to hear.
Depression upon depression is pointless. Try to live the best way you can while you still can.

>> No.15089659

>>15089381
As a writer I can confirm this. Most of what drives me is the desire to be thought of as this great cultural icon. I think most people don’t realise how dull the writing process is. In many aspects it’s similar to menial labour.

>> No.15089686

>>15087577
>X is a Y

>> No.15089700

>>15089686
>OP is a fag.

>> No.15089781

>>15089253
Be quiet, roastie.

>> No.15089815

>>15089608
>Depression upon depression is pointless

What the fuck are you going on about? Depression is a self-sustaining thing. An increase in magnitude and feeling is inherent in the illness. Stop with this "you do it to yourself" crap, you idiot. It's completely apparent to anyone with half a brain that you're merely angry at yourself here, that your delusion is so strong that you've shed any of these "teenage" notions of sincerity, and now you've just become an unfeeling husk that gets its kicks from posting under a trip on 4chan of all places.. and the twisted thing is that you've become so detached, that you think it's "progress" while telling others who are feeling something to "get over it."

You truly sicken me.

>> No.15089840
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>>15089815
>A sociopath thinks I’m unfeeling
Trolling imbecile.

>> No.15089880

>>15089840
You're the one telling people expressing a genuine feeling to get over themselves. Can you think at all? Do you always fall back on defensive little gaslighting jabs? I bet you're an abusive person irl.

>> No.15089956

>>15089880
Troll. Expressing excessive amounts of grief to the point of hysterics (is often something men accuse women of doing) is self defeating and wasteful, no matter how long your lifespan is, and I suggest to an ugly grey pallet named “anonymous” anonymous n a sometimes gruff manner, because you are always abusive to me. So my prickliness hides a rather soft heart that DOESN’T want you to suffer. Do not wallow in your grief for long, it’s initial catharsis wears thin and can kill. I know the feelings well having lived a life.

You fuck off and have nice day now.

>> No.15089973

>>15089880
Troll. Expressing excessive amounts of grief to the point of hysterics (is often something men accuse women of doing) is self defeating and wasteful, no matter how long your lifespan is, and I suggest to an ugly grey pallet named “anonymous” in a sometimes gruff manner, because you are always abusive to me. So my prickliness hides a rather soft heart that DOESN’T want you to suffer. Do not wallow in your grief for long, it’s initial catharsis wears thin and can kill. I know the feelings well having lived a life.

You fuck off and have nice day now.

>> No.15090008

>>15089973
Are you literally mentally ill? Jesus.
>women writes a response to someone that is both condescending and self-aggrandizing
>women gets called out for it
>women unfurls word salad
>I feel so much wahhhh woe is me
>you're the ones who are bad, not me!
>never me!

Yikes! You know you're not doing any favors for your gender, right?

>> No.15090025

>>15089973
Blaming others and the world at large for being a shitty person who says shitty things is a classic sign of clinical narcissism.

>> No.15090046

>>15089253
>I was the same as a teen duhhh, so it means now i'm a grown up duhhh
That's not how it works boy. Nobody gives a shit about your suicidal thoughs as a teen, that's not the subject.

>> No.15090108

>>15087577
I suppose all acts of giving (even merely wanting to give) are, in a sense. Perhaps though one's all the better for it, I don't know..
Wanting to be of use is perhaps a major drive that's rarely spoken about in a (soft) scientific way but certainly capitalized upon out here in the West where myriads upon myriads trade their hours for junk food, cheap car and a shack
>contestants in a suicidal race....

>> No.15090129

>>15090025
Good to see that I show no signs of this. How are you? Hope not as injured as the anon above.

>>15090046
How that works is that I relate my perspective and yes, I grew out of it. I learned of the uselessness of this frame of mind. Do you defend it?
It is a useless and false shroud. That is the topic. Don’t make this about me.

>> No.15090177

>>15090129
Can you stop being delusional? You add no value to any discussion you're in. You're the worst tripfag on this whole site.

>> No.15090193

>>15089659
You should leave your work unattributed and only publish it in the form of printed manuscripts left lying around in public places when nobody's looking. That's the best way I find of purging as much selfish motive as possible from my writing.

>> No.15090203

>>15090129
>Good to see that I show no signs of this
>a tripfag on an anonymous message board who posts pictures of itself for all to judge and rate
>not a narcissist

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.15090210

>>15090177
>Writing is a suicidal act.
No.
Agreeing with me
>>15087627
>>15089229
>>15089260
>>15089381
Bite me.

>> No.15090219

>>15090129
>Don’t make this about me.
>Its first comment in this thread was literally about itself
>First comment literally started with "I."

>> No.15090224

>>15090210
I can sense you seething through the deterioration of your posts. Take your meds.

>> No.15090225

>>15090203
Stop derailing my thread just because there's a trip you dislike here reeeeee

>> No.15090236

>>15090225
Your thread sucks anyway. The only interesting thing about it is putting a dumb tripfag in its place. It should go back to /soc/ or something.

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Trolls trolls trolls

>> No.15090269

>>15090245
It's like its sitting on the floor, rocking back and forth, yelling "trolls" to distract itself from its utter contradiction of being.
Admittance into a psychiatric ward is probably gonna be soon.

>> No.15090282 [DELETED] 

>>15087577
Very deep stuff. Wow
>>15090203
The trip is a tranny

>> No.15090292

>>15090282
That makes sense. Probably one of those pedo rights trannies who freak out on twitter all the time. Nasty creatures.

>> No.15090323

>>15090108
Thoughtful post in a thoughtless thread

>> No.15090349
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>>15090108
>>15090323
>giving is suicide

>> No.15090751

>>15090349
Anything can be read in absolutely any way. If someone posits an idea one can roll with it, or not. I chose to roll; what's the big deal? Was 'in a sense' or 'perhaps' missed?

>> No.15091723

>le deep quote and deep picture maymay
so profound

>> No.15091760

>>15089556
Also interested. Tried googling it, but nothing gives me the reference.

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15092967

Let's take this a step further.

>One of the most startling paradoxes inherent in writing is its close association with death. This association is suggested in Plato's charge that writing is inhuman, thing-like, and that it destroys memory. It is also abundantly evident in countless references to writing (and/ or print) traceable in printed dictionaries of quotations, from 2 Corinthi-ans 3:6, 'The letter kills but the spirit gives life' and Horace's reference to his three books of Odes as a 'monument' (Odes iii. 30. 1), presaging his own death, on to and beyond Henry Vaughan's assurance to Sir Tho-mas Bodley that in the Bodleian Library at Oxford 'every book is thy epitaph'. In Pippa Passes, Robert Browning calls attention to the still widespread practice of pressing living flowers to death between the pages of printed books, 'faded yellow blossoms/ twixt page and page'. The dead flower, once alive, is the psychic equivalent of the verbal text. The paradox lies in the fact that the deadness of the text, its removal from the li'ing human lifeworld, its rigid visual fixity, assures its endurance and its potential for being resurrected into limitless living contexts by a potentially infinite number of living readers (Ong 1977, pp. 230-71)

>> No.15092997

>>15089381
>Writers
I think you want to be specific their chief chuck, I’m sure John Greene isn’t held this high

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15093412

Posted this yesterday but in a context where the Milton tag did not figure; ironic in this context I guess given that it's taken From the Life of, etc.
I've thought of this before but in slightly different terms, about how it may behoove a poet who intends 'to live' to write from the perspective of being dead already; in fact it makes 'perfect' sense because the overwhelming majority of one's readership will be active after one's own demise, and thereby this 'angle' (if rendered effectively, and it can be, there are tricks) will lend one's voice a perverse authenticity to one's living readers because they'll know youre dead when reading you even if this fact remains submerged. I could go into more detail about how and why it's done but I'll let the matter rest here because I find it an interesting topic and may write about it some day. --But consider Charles Dickens in Mutual Friend and xmas Carol, and Emily Dickinson in her poetry from 1860 on- both were aware of this method or way of composition.

>> No.15093419

>>15092967
Post above this one intended for you, m8