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Is the Trojan War the most important conflict of all time? Even into the 13th and 14th century scholars were trying to tie their lineage back to either the Trojans or Romans. In the Prose Edda (c.1220) it is written:
>One of the kings was named Munon or Mennon. He was married to Troan, the daughter of Priam, the chief king. They had a son who was named Tror, the one we call Thor. He was brought up in Thracia by a duke named Loricus and when he was ten years old he received his father's weapons.

>> No.15087101

>>15087090
No. Ww1 was.

>> No.15087124

>>15087101
WW1 wasn't even the most important conflict of its century

>> No.15087141

>>15087124
retard

>> No.15087142

>>15087090
Idk about most important. Definitely highly prestigious and mythic. But any major battle going far back enough in history will be incalculably important.

In addition to being the Hellenic founding myth though, the legendary and mythic nature of it gives itself to Invocation, sewing as no one can disprove a lineage from Troy like romans with Aeneus.

>> No.15087216 [DELETED] 

>>15087142
>But any major battle going far back enough in history will be incalculably important.
This. It's just important because some written texts survive, I bet there were plenty of comparable wars throughout the bronze age but no one cared to write it down.

>> No.15087235

>>15087124
WW1 was clearly the most important war since the French Revolution.

>> No.15087258

>>15087101
>>15087090
No
Napoleonic conquest was the most important event ever

>> No.15087270

The Covid 19 outbreak has had more of an impact on global society than the Trojan war.

>> No.15087290

>>15087124
What is your reasoning here?

>> No.15087296

The Battle of Teutoburg Forest

>> No.15087298

>>15087124
are you fucking retarded? asking for a friend.

>> No.15087357

>>15087090
Most important conflict in European history, maybe. But it's pretty much completely irrelevant in the rest of the world.

>> No.15087420

>>15087290
WW1 didn't usher in the atomic era. Splitting the atom was more important than any political, social or economic ramifications WW1 could ever have.

>> No.15087438
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15087438

It was a series of raids glorified. Not a single war

>> No.15087560

>>15087438
MUST ATTACK EUROPEAN CULTURE

MUST SUBVERT TRADITIONAL VALUES

MUST SNIPE AT ANYTHING WHICH IS A THREAT TO MY (((PROMETHEAN))) VALUES

>> No.15087581

>>15087560
What are you talking about? This upholds all that. The Iliad is a story. You think they were real characters?

>> No.15087582

>>15087438
raids are war. don't confuse war with campaign.

>> No.15087600

>>15087582
Smash and grabs aren’t the same as siege warfare. Aggressions all the same of course.

>> No.15087606

>>15087124
Ignore the responses, anon. WW2 was more important than WW1.

>> No.15087615

>>15087296
If you want to go down that road, then the Punic Wars would fit the bill.

>> No.15087648

>>15087581
You're a real character.

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>>15087090
Romans would never exist if troy never fell because Romans were just refugees from troy so if troy wasn't destroyed Rome would never exist so yep your kinda right imo

>> No.15087969

>>15087581
fictional or not, you can't deny the longstanding effect it had on the identity of all of Europe, the Levant and northern Africa.

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>>15087969
Oh yes. I know the effects.

>> No.15088100

>>15087124
>>15087141
>>15087235
>>15087298
>>15087606
Midwits, all of you. Both wars had such defining effects on the development of the modern world that an attempt at understanding which omits either is necessarily deficient. It’s like asking whether heat or fuel is more important when starting a fire.

>> No.15088212

>>15087420
I feel there's merit to having a debate over which war was more relevant, WW1 cracked the old order wide open and made a mess out of the geopolitical status, which in turn gave rise to the movements that gave us WW2

>> No.15088244

The Cold War brought us to the moon.

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>>15088244
The First Gulf War taught us lessons in leadership and logistics

>> No.15088269

>>15087090
Hey buddy I think you got the wrong door. /his/ is two blocks down.

>> No.15088306

>>15087600
Siege warfare is nowhere near equivalent to the entire concept of war.

>> No.15088314

>>15088100
Based, partisans btfo.

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>>15087270
>when you realize that every great conqueror was larping as Achilles

>> No.15089443

>>15088306
Gang warfare and viking raids aren’t actual wars.

>> No.15089475

>>15087090
17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved on [c]the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath [d]of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

>> No.15089486

>>15089443
What the fuck do you know about war you stupid dyke

>> No.15089527

>>15089486
If I were to sock your nose flat and send your head to the pavement, that would not be war.
Read a little history.

>> No.15089575

>>15089527
You're literally incapable of inflicting physical harm upon me and you're literally incapable of defending your nebulous definition of war predicated on idiotic modern conceptions of campaign or standing armies

>> No.15090004

>>15089575
Come over and I certainly could.
As for the topic of this argument, you’ve yet to even start. Stupid troll topic. 1/10 I guess.

>> No.15090138

>>15088100
This completely ignores the fact that WW1 directly caused WW2.