/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15079417]

What the fuck

He's just making a bunch of unverified claims without any citations

He's just... guessing a bunch of shit

What on earth is the appeal of this

[Anonymous No.15079489]

>>15079417
What exactly is objectively incorrect about the book?

[Anonymous No.15079503]

his "works" are more like his diaries desu
don't read him

[Anonymous No.15079515]

Mark is great at stipulating an interesting thesis, he just never cared about proving it up and likes to talk about his favorite bands instead. You like Joy Division, OP?

[Anonymous No.15079521]

>>15079417
this OP is definitely a peabrain STEMfag

[Anonymous No.15079526]

>>15079417
Source: The Stalin haters won't believe any source

[Anonymous No.15079527]

>>15079417
he's one of the best thinkers we have. you're just a pseud. read it again.

[Anonymous No.15079534]

>citations
This ain't your shitty undergrad dissertation OP

[Anonymous No.15079543]

>>15079527
If he's the best you got, then you should consider your life choices.

[Anonymous No.15079558]

Welcome to philosophy. You're not going to find evidence in Kant or Hegel either

[Anonymous No.15079566]

Welcome to Marxism

[Anonymous No.15079576]

Proofs?

[Anonymous No.15079595]

>>15079558
>You're not going to find evidence in Kant or Hegel either
Explain

[Anonymous No.15079601]

What citations can you use when talking about culture?

[Anonymous No.15079610]

>>15079558
Mark Fisher isn't philosophy, brainlet

>>15079595
Philosophy is a science of principles and rational reflection, not empirical (i.e. what people commonly understand evidence). Math is a non-evidence based science too, for example

[Anonymous No.15079638]

>>15079558
Fisher is at best social especulation

[Anonymous No.15079695]

Most of the time he's just stating the obvious anyway. He was completely wrong about music not moving forward though. Lil Peep and 100 gecs proves him wrong

[Anonymous No.15079716]

Books that waste your time with unnecessary sources and citations are shit.
Just go with the flow. If you think its garbage at the end then just discard the ideas or what you would have argued different.

[Anonymous No.15079758]

>>15079695
both of those acts are definitely part of the structured spectacle he's talking about though

[Anonymous No.15079789]

>>15079417
verify them yourself you reatard

[Anonymous No.15079840]

>>15079695
Look anon, this guy here>>15079758 is right. Is all: Lol, I'm so doomed, I'm so lost and to survive I drug myself. Isn't that a repetition of the past? The changes are only superficial, the essence, the FEELING behind it is the same. He has an even better point if we're talking about "white" music. The past is gonna haunt us, ain't no way out...

[Anonymous No.15079888]

>>15079417
Lmao TS Eliot was mogging off academia's ridiculous obsession with citations/endnotes back in the early 20th century with The Waste Land. Why should they be anymore relevant today?

[Anonymous No.15079922]

>>15079417
Does anyone burn their books they can't read?
I just can't stand having some book in my library that I haven't read that I burn it. I have burned only 3 books though including capitalist realism so I tend to finish most books, but there's no way I'm a minority.

[Anonymous No.15079982]

>>15079695
Lil Peep sounds like Linkin Park trap.
100 gecs has some newish vibe to it, maybe a little reminiscent of atari teenage riot.
but in the end i'd say that >>15079840
still has a point. the themes are recurring.

[Anonymous No.15080003]

>>15079840
That's not what he means by hauntology you fucking imbecil

[Anonymous No.15080022]

>>15079417
>muh citations
Top kek. It's just a footnote to Debord anyway.

[Anonymous No.15080032]

>>15079534
OP forgot where he was; imagination land where you can just conjure things up. If you'd had any sort of degree, you would learn to require them. You might as well start reading fiction than books without citations

[Anonymous No.15080064]

>>15079417

Fundamentally, it is about a dude who is depressed because he got old - a work of nostalgia - the critical theorist as a boring old fart. "Protests and culture just ain't what they used to be!" No, Fisher just doesn't enjoy these things as much as he's used to because he's cynical and jaded and old. When you get old you're supposed to find meaning in your family, community and work not "the movement" and movies. Capitalism didn't cause any of this but Fisher's ennui about it was certainly caused by communism. If being a youthful agitator is the highest form of existence, then it becomes painful when one is no longer psychological or gerontologically capable of playing that role.

[Anonymous No.15080089]

>>15079695
>that stuff
>chiptune hip hop music
>moving music forward

Only confirms that a lot of what's new in music nowadays is a desperate appropriation of past forms, while adding very little new to the narrative other than that combination of different genres. I think that synthwave artists are ironically breaking new ground at last though

[Anonymous No.15080096]

>>15080032
>t. never read a philosophy book in his life

[Anonymous No.15080123]

>>15080096
the nature of philosophy books was already implied in the first line. gods this place is filled with brainlets. now I supposed to bicker about nature of philosophic writing the next 20 post? I'd rather kys.

[Anonymous No.15080313]

accfag seething in the other thread because you all made fun of his dead hero, outed for samefagging all these threads
>>15080268

[Anonymous No.15080339]

>>15080123
No, you're supposed to admit you're a retard who doesn't fucking read.

[Anonymous No.15080371]

>>15079982
Just like punk sounded like rock and roll but with more attitude

[Anonymous No.15080387]

>>15080089
Thats how all music works. The 20th century of rock music was all just variations of ragtime music

[Anonymous No.15080409]

Where should I start with Fisher? OPs book?

[Anonymous No.15080423]

k-cringe

[Anonymous No.15080432]

>>15080423
Please be respectful. My grandma would always say "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

[Anonymous No.15080439]

>>15080409
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15080473]

it's a polemic?

[Anonymous No.15080487]

>>15079695

But Kurt Cobain committed suicide because he was addicted to heroin, had chronic back and stomach problems, and was in a terrible marriage.

He had all of those before being famous. Not the marriage, but shit personal relationships nonetheless.

There's obviously more to his suicide than just being disappointed he couldn't stick it to the man on TV wtf

His music wasn't lassitudinal. It could be sometimes, but it could also be abrasive, melancholy, enrage, pleasent, and even perversely joyful

This is such bullshit

It's only applicable if you've half-watched a documentary on him and listened to only Smells Like Teen Spirit

[Anonymous No.15080499]

>>15079543
he certainly did

[Anonymous No.15080515]

>>15079922
>there's no way I'm a minority
bit racist

[Anonymous No.15080965]

>>15080022

Painfully true. Fisher follows a basic structure of an insight, 'substantiated' by 5 faux-examples then casually moves on. Just take it as it comes and don't take it too seriously

[Anonymous No.15080980]

>>15079417
welcome to political theory
People have died over this
Still, you can read about it and use it as food for thought and inspiration on directions for meaningful investigation which is probably the highest purpose it can serve.

[Anonymous No.15080997]

>>15080487
cringe now shut the fuck up redditor

[Anonymous No.15081005]

>>15080313
Stay in your containment thread please, we don't want your filth spreading to the rest of the board

[Anonymous No.15081030]

>>15080965
>>15080022
i've read both capitalism realism and society of the spectacle, what else should I read?

[Anonymous No.15081031]

>>15079417
Just verify it through your experience. If something sounds wrong to you, then try to explain why and see whose explanation is better. Do you think you need statistics to verify what you already know just by living?

[Anonymous No.15081081]

>>15081030
anything on this blindpill chart

[Anonymous No.15081094]

>>15081081
based

[Anonymous No.15081126]

>>15080003
May you clarify it to me if I'm wrong, you asshole?

[Anonymous No.15081144]

>>15080997

not hearing you refute anything I say, you fat little baby

[Anonymous No.15081163]

>>15081030

It really depends on what you're into. The Routledge edition of Adorno's Culture Industry essays are pretty fucking solid though.

I bought 'ghosts of my life' the other day because my friend does a PhD on Fisher (amongst other things) but it's really tedious and reads like an even more pretentious Guardian review of Joy Division

[Anonymous No.15081169]

>>15081031
>Do you think you need statistics to verify what you already know just by living?

Do I need falsifiable claims based on evidence which I can "cite" on a daily basis?

In a manner of speaking, yes. I do not put my hand on a hot stove because I can empirically demonstrate to myself, based on evidence, that that hurts.

[Anonymous No.15081183]

>>15081081
>opening my eyes to real cum
im ready

[Anonymous No.15081186]

>>15081144
there is no point in refuting redditors
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.15081189]

>>15081126
fuck you too buddy
hauntology in his context is the nostalgia for futures that never happened, the way everyone was hyping up the 21st century to be never really materialized
the spectacle had us believe the future would be great, but the future is today and we aren't even able to dream about futures anymore
the spectacle sedates us to the point where we're stuck in a perpetual present unable to even think about alternatives to this
even alternatives to capitalism are part of capitalism and sold as commodities, that's capitalist realism

[Anonymous No.15081199]

>>15081186

Goo goo gaa gaa, baby

[Anonymous No.15081230]

>>15081163
>ghosts of my life
yeah for every paragraph he writes explaining his position there's 10 pages blabbing about media shit I don't even care about

also anyone interested in these types of narratives and >>15081081 you should all check out adam curtis if you still haven't
especially century of the self and hypernormalization
idk if he is connected with these thinkers because I've never done any real research on it but what he talks about definitely fits

[Anonymous No.15081243]

>>15079922
>I just can't stand having some book in my library that I haven't read that I burn it.
I think I understand the feeling but my way of dealing with it is preventively, that is actively trying not to buy books I don't like (which is oftentimes pretty easy nowdays with pdf's). Get it, bookburner fag? Just confess already you're a fire worshipper, is easier. Or will I have to drown you?

[Anonymous No.15081249]

>>15081230

He quotes him ad infinitum so yeah, definitely! Also Simon Reynolds and Franco Berardi

[Anonymous No.15081268]

>>15081081

based