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Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:29:25 2020 No.15067565 [Reply] [Original]

Is a Christian allowed to kill someone in self defense?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:32:19 2020 No.15067581 Yes, and self defense can also mean preemptive attack against unsuspecting heretics

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:33:23 2020 No.15067585
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>>15067565
What kind of a question is that? Why wouldn’t they be allowed to kill in self defence? I’m not a Christian but I don’t see how this is some kind of moral dilemma for them, I don’t understand where you got this idea from.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:34:02 2020 No.15067591 >>15067565 >>15067581 No. The injunction is clear You shall not kill. Turn the other cheek This life is nothing

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:37:55 2020 No.15067606 >>15067581 >>15067585 My dad is a Christian and he says no, even if someone is trying to kill you, a Christian will lay down his life rather than kill in self defense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:41:43 2020 No.15067625 File: 49 KB, 650x425, arctic fox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15067591 Does this mean it is wrong for a Christian to be a soldier or a police officer or some other profession that may require you to kill?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:45:12 2020 No.15067650 >>15067591 >>15067606 Lmao, ChristKEKs indeed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:46:59 2020 No.15067659 >>15067591 >>15067606 >protties and their literal interpretations with no regard of tradition No thanks

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:48:04 2020 No.15067665 >>15067591 If life is nothing you should be allowed to kill people

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:49:21 2020 No.15067670

>>15067565
Yes. Much has already been written on the theological acceptance, and even encouragement, of self defense within the Christian tradition, as well as the ability for Christians to take up arms in service of their nation (see Augustine, Luther if protestant, etc). What applies to the average citizen Christian, however, is not necessarily what applies to priests and monastic orders. There is certainly a level of faith and spiritual practice in which total humility, even to the point of death, is an imperative.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:49:40 2020 No.15067673 WWJD? When people tried to kill Jesus, did he kill them in self defense?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:50:04 2020 No.15067675 File: 595 KB, 366x218, yep...im thinking.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15067581

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:51:58 2020 No.15067681 >>15067659 What tradition are you referring to?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:52:11 2020 No.15067684 >>15067606 tell your Dad to read the Church Fathers, Augustine for one, or one of Luther's essays on the topic if he's an American protestant

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:53:34 2020 No.15067693 >>15067659 Well how do you interpret things like "turn the other cheek" and son?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:53:36 2020 No.15067694 >>15067673 "Not one stone will be left" God sent the Romans to kill the Jews

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:54:35 2020 No.15067702 >>15067693 *so on

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:55:55 2020 No.15067708 >>15067684 >tell your Dad to read the Church Fathers, Augustine for one, or one of Luther's essays on the topic I think my dad would say that it's not the Bible so it doesn't matter what they thought. He is a strict conservative Baptist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:56:09 2020 No.15067710 >>15067625 john the baptist didn't tell soldiers to stop being soldiers in luke 3:14

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:56:46 2020 No.15067713 >>15067565 you're not allowed to but you can be forgiven anyway

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:59:22 2020 No.15067726 >>15067565 Could I become a jannie? How does someone become a jannie? Stop posting non-/lit/ threads you faggots.

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:04:58 2020 No.15067748

>>15067708
>strict conservative Baptist

Sigh. You'll never convince him of anything, then. At least have him read 1 Samuel 17:41-54, in which David says that it is the Lord who saves, not the spear or sword, but then proceeds to BTFO Goliath with a rock, cut his head off with a sword, and parade it in front of the enemy army. God protects, and he uses our hands and tools in them to do it on occasion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:07:37 2020 No.15067765 >>15067565 Yes. There is a difference between killing and murdering, Moses talked about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:17:55 2020 No.15067822 >>15067591 >>15067693 I recently heard that Christ was being somewhat sarcastic when he said this. Back in the day Romans would only slap with one particular hand, so turning your cheek the other way meant they couldn't slap you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:24:09 2020 No.15067846 >>15067591 >>15067673 >>15067713 So is it wrong for a Christian to support the death penalty?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:25:44 2020 No.15067854 >>15067565 >Is a Christian allowed No

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:27:16 2020 No.15067864 >>15067765 >Christians thinking about anything Moses said or did This is an all love religion, nothing else

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:29:44 2020 No.15067874

>>15067591
It is clear, but your eyes are clearly not. The injunction is to "not murder," in other words to not kill in a way that would cause bloodguilt. Turn the other cheek refers to instances of wounded pride. Obviously it doesn't say that "if someone cuts off your right hand, offer him your left," for that would be intent to kill. The point is that, if someone calls you a bad name or "slaps your cheek" (an offense to one's pride), you ought to transcend above petty reciprocity.

>"This life is nothing."
From a Christian perspective, what you do here has eternal ripples, but no, life here matters far less than eternal life (Heaven), and far more than eternal death (Hell).

>>15067606
Your dad probably wouldn't hold up to his own propositions, and he'd be right in doing so.

>>15067625
If the state is acting in an ungodly manner and waging ungodly wars, then I'd say you're not vindicated in killing the state's opponent. If the opponent is a foreign invader or ungodly, then you are permitted to attack him.

>>15067673
He was to be sacrificed; this was his aim. He knew his time was coming, that's why he prayed at the garden of Gethsemane

>>15067822
I recently heard that when Christ whipped the merchants, he was doing this as a joke; the merchants were all cool with it, and they drank some wine together afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:29:48 2020 No.15067875 >>15067846 yes, you have no right to take the life of another. especially when you are not explicitly threatened

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:30:23 2020 No.15067880 >>15067565 No, anything else is mental gymnastics

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:30:28 2020 No.15067881 >>15067565 Not a real one, no.

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:36:15 2020 No.15067915

>>15067880
>>15067881
If it is wrong to kill even in self defense, then logically a Christian has to be an anarchist. A state derives its power through physical force. The government has power because they can use violence against you have they have to. So if you support the government you support violence. Therefore, it follows that a Christian must be an anarchist.

But didn't Jesus also say something like "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's" meaning pay your taxes, which means support the government? So which is it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:37:37 2020 No.15067923 >>15067565 Hey, anybody on /lit/, I have a qustion you might want to attempt to answer. Is ressentiment heritable?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:38:17 2020 No.15067930 >>15067565 I think if you define being christian as livi g in the image of jesus then no. Jesus makes it pretty clear if someone wants to kill him he will let them

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:40:48 2020 No.15067941

>>15067875
It is in moments like these when you realize that the popular religions are merely glorified and deified political systems. This would be, for instance, to prevent infighting in the civilization upheld by residual ressentiment from mudering and war.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:41:52 2020 No.15067949 >>15067822 known ironist Jesus Christ crucified 'as a joke'

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:51:59 2020 No.15068002

>>15067949
>>15067874
>[P]icture the scenario with yourself as the oppressor. You are a wealthy, powerful person whose slave has displeased you in some way. You reprimand your slave with a backhanded slap. The response you expect is the response you have always received from your slaves – the response you yourself would give if someone higher than you treated you the same way. You expect your slave to cower, submit, and slink away. Instead, your slave defiantly turns their other cheek and challenges you to hit them again. What can you do?

>You would like to give your slave another backhanded slap to show them their place, but to do that you would have to use your left hand which would admit that your action is unclean. You could hit them on their left cheek, instead, but it would be embarrassing to hit your slave the way you should hit your equal. You’re confused. You don’t know what to do. Flustered, you could order the slave be flogged, but the slave has already made their point. They have shown you that they are a human person with dignity and worth. You don’t own them, you cannot control them, and they do not submit to your rule.

https://www.cpj.ca/defiance-not-compliance-turning-other-cheek

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:52:31 2020 No.15068007 [DELETED]

>>15067565
All followers of Abrahamic filth are not technically sentient beings, so they are allowed only to be killed. For them to kill is wrong. They should just be slaughtered themselves.
All Christians, Muslims, and Jews deserve to be disemboweled, tortured, or used in invasive scientific experiments.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 22:01:19 2020 No.15068065 >>15067923 You mispelt resentment

>>	Namefags are dumb Fri Apr 10 22:02:13 2020 No.15068075 >>15068002 Interesting, I didn't know that nor was I taught it by my professor. You learn something every day

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 23:26:54 2020 No.15068531 >>15067581 ok this is epic

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:10:12 2020 No.15068673 Yes See just war theory

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:11:30 2020 No.15068678 >>15067565 Noah's homie was attacked and he threw down on that bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:42:20 2020 No.15068793 >>15067681 Neotulmadicloopholeism

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:48:38 2020 No.15068821 >>15067591 And Saul has slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands. . .

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