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Why does Mishima make betas seethe so much?

>> No.15035491 [DELETED] 

>>15035476
mishima gets very little hate

>> No.15035564

The funny part is that the Japanese says no.

>> No.15035581

>>15035476
Betas are the one's into Mishima. But the Beta/Alpha dichotomy is ridiculous and only mentioned by those with an inferiority complex such as 'betas' like yourself.

>> No.15035749

>>15035564
No it doesn’t lol

>> No.15036039

>>15035564
Retard

>> No.15036172

>>15035564
Retard who learned one or two basic Japanese words off of Anime

>> No.15037373

>>15035564
Hai means yes.

>> No.15037692

>>15035581
Bad luck bro, that was some fine b8 but the first post was just too dumb. better luck next time

>> No.15037870

>>15035476
Virgin Mishima was cucked by the chad soldiers and killed himself out of embarassment lmao

>> No.15037887
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>>15035476
Who's better: Murakami or Mishima?

>> No.15037899

>>15037887
.

>> No.15037907

>>15037887
the absolute state of this board

>> No.15037912

>>15037887
both are queers

>> No.15037922

>>15037887
yes

>> No.15037933

>>15037887
Mishima was the only good jap writer (at least out of the ones that have been translated)

>> No.15038015
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>>15035564

>> No.15038301

>>15037887
lord, take me now...

>> No.15038696

>>15038015
>>15037373
>>15036172
>>15036039
>>15035749
seethe and cope harder

>> No.15038768

>>15035476
Because most betas are homophobic Christcucks who get outraged at the very idea of buttfucking.

>> No.15038812

>>15037933
>Mishima was the only good jap writer (at least out of the ones that have been translated)
I don't really agree. The modernist and second-wave of modernist writers are all very good (Soseki, Akutagawa, Kawabata, Tanizaki, Izumi Kyoka, Daizai, Oe) and they all have good translations (I like Seidensticker's translations of Kawabata's Meijin and Thousand Cranes in particular).
Going backwards, there's great translations of pre-modern literature as well. It's not hard to find decent translations of noh plays, of haiku poets such as Issa and Basho, the manyoshu, the kokinshu, the Genji, the Heike; and going on the great religious/philosophical writings of Kukai, Ennin, Dogen, Hakuin, Honen, Shinran, Nichiren, and the writers of the Kyoto school.

>> No.15038829

there aren't any guys like mishima walking around these days

>> No.15038859

>>15038829
There is another. His name is Varg.

>> No.15038870

Mishima is what happens to homosexuals when the world has order. That, or great priests/theologians

>> No.15038888

>>15037887
Which Murakami are you referring, the based horror chad, or the pop magical realist virgin?

>> No.15038909

>>15038888
threadly reminder that Ryo is just representative of pop fiction that flourish in the late pre-bubble economy.

>> No.15038973

If you look up the actual events of the Mishima Incident it's more a pathetic comedy of errors than the "he killed himself after failing to start a uprising" narrative you get in western sources.

So first of all the military base was in downtown Tokyo and was full of staff officers and logistics clerks. Most of them probably hadn't fired a rifle since they finished basic training or had been promoted. Not exactly a fine crop of samurai warriors, so to speak.


Anyways, It's the middle of the week, a Thursday IIRC, Mishima gets onto the base by sending a letter to the base commandant that he has a nice sword and would the commandant like to see it? Mishima also had previous interactions with the SDF because he'd joined it for a brief period in 1967 and this was, at the time, seen as being a great recruiting tool for the SDF. So he and his buddies go to meet the general, then while he's admiring the sword one of them comes up behind the general with a tea towel and blindfolds him and they tie him to a chair. The general's aides and some other staff officers notice this is going on and try to rescue him after arming themselves with furniture and riot batons, one of them throws a desk globe at Mishima, Mishima slashes a aide trying to run away from the lunatic with a sword in the back and another staff officer sustains a serious hand injury. After this initial scuffle the officers back off and Mishima demand they assemble the soldiers on the base so that he can give a speech, they do so while waiting for the police to get there.

The soldiers assembling outside are and drawn by a rumor that people have been killed, according to Japanese sources, shouting various things like "is it the red army?" (At the time this would likely be the Japan Revolutionary Communist League and not the later Japanese Red Army/United Red Army) or "Is it Mishima?", eventually Mishima comes out onto a balcony, hangs some banners off it, and starts trying to give his speech about how they need to overthrow the emperor, except he can't because the soldiers keep talking, stuff like "It's Mishima," "Speak up" and "Go away", a sergeant goes up to the balcony and starts yelling at him to "scream properly." Eventually a news helicopter shows up and adds to the noise. Mishima finally asks "who is with me?" and is met with calls of "you're crazy" and so on, he goes back inside. One has to imagine that they were probably pissed off because this happened right before the weekend and figured their leave would get canceled because of the investigation.

The suicides happen as we all know, except do you know why they botched it and had to finish things off with a knife? The sword was a fake, the fucking thing was a mall ninja katana that bent when they hit him in the neck with it. To add to this the general, still tied up in his chair while this is all going on, had been a major in WW2 and witnessed his CO kill himself at the end of it.

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>>15038829
>absolutely dedicated to a cause to the point of self destruction
>check

>believes in action over abstract pondering that goes nowhere
>check

>eccentric genuis
>check

>> No.15039369

>>15038973
The general resigned after that and took the blame for some reason.

Mishima was still based. His heart was in the right place.

>> No.15039516

>>15038859
Varg would qualify if he wasn’t so petty

>> No.15039529

>>15037933
>Hasn't read Soseki

>> No.15039539

>>15037887
Dazai

>> No.15039542

>>15035476
It's literally the other way around. Mishima is exclusively liked by beta manlets on internet forums and whenever anyone calls out how absolutely pathetic of a man he was they get extremely upset.

>> No.15039556

>>15039542
He was way more muscular tan you are. He kikled himself but he couldve still kicked your ass in

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>>15039542
>how absolutely pathetic of a man he was

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>>15037887
Ishima

>> No.15039772

Mishima is a POC and his nationalism occurred after his country liberalised which is a mortal sin for people with internationalist intentions as POC nationalism is only meant to occur between the stages of colonialism and liberalisation (recolonisation on ideologically favourable terms).

>> No.15039822

>>15035476
>japanese
>chad
Is there a bigger /lit/ meme?

>> No.15039833

>>15038888
>>15038909
ryu is based. top tier trash.

>> No.15039843

>>15039713
>no argument, just projection of asspain
Figured.

>> No.15039851

>>15039556
>>15039713
Case in point. Stop worshipping some 5'2 LARPing repressed homosexual and maybe one day you'll stop being a beta.

>> No.15039896

>>15039851
mishima was 5'2? god i want this jacked shortstack to lick my armpits already

>> No.15039903

Mishima is really dull and people read him for his personal mystique/cult of personality.

Akutagawa, Osamu Dazai, and a few others (I cannot recall off the top of my head, haven't been into JPN Lit in over a decade) were far superior writers.

>> No.15039908

>>15038973
You are incapable of individual thought and only seek to differentiate yourself from the perceived masses by parrotting controversial opinions which you do not understand. Pathetic, really.

>> No.15039991

>>15038973
Wait, so you’re saying it had to be perfect and cinematic for it to be based?

>> No.15039995

>>15039851
So we should dismiss his ideals just because he was a fucking Manlet and a little crazy? Fuck off normie, go worship Bob Ross or something

>> No.15040197

Mishmash wasn't homosexual. Going to a gay bar a few times as research for writing a fictional novel about a fictional character doesn't make you gay. Some dude you barely knew claiming you were a faggot in a society with no concept of idpol homosexualism in order to pander to western liberals doesn't make someone gay either.

>> No.15040216

>>15040197
>going to a gay bar multiple times doesn't make u gay
>posing in your underwear a distressing amount of times isn't gay
>being notoriously uninterested in women doesn't make u gay
>accounts of homosexual relationships being outted after death doesn't make u gay

lol...

>> No.15040256

>>15035564
genius of a comment. Made all the weebs expose themselves

>> No.15040272

>>15040216
>posing in your underwear a distressing amount of times isn't gay
Lel found the fatty

>> No.15040287

>>15039995
yes

>> No.15040291

>>15040197
I've never seen such a cope.

>> No.15040295

>>15039991
Ding ding ding. The entire crux of the "X is LARP therefore bad" """""""""""""argument"""""""""" is that some given thing doesn't match up perfectly with whatever imagined romantic notions you have about a thing, therefore it HAS to be fake and inauthentic. Do you believe Odin is real, but don't walk around in chainmail wearing handspun flax breeches and a Sutton Hoo helmet with horns? LARPER! I saw what someone who believes Odin is real looks like on TV, and you don't look like it, so you're a LARPer!

It's a more autistic version of people trying to talk like they're in Friends or Seinfield; they believe that the fictionalized display on TV is what authenticity looks like, so when they see something that doesn't match up with it, they think it must be fake. All dialogue is witty and funny and clever and consists entirely of one-liners, zingers, and quips. It's simply inauthentic to communicate otherwise. I know, because I saw it on TV. Only actors can have real lives, after all, so clearly it must be fake.

>> No.15040323

>>15039995
you can be crazy and neurotic but not a manlet. this is the invariable truth

>> No.15040342

>>15040272
>wearing underwear at all when you're /fit/

bro...u don't even kno...

>> No.15040372

>>15038696
>>15035564
The romanji for は is ha and い is i. Put them together to get hai, which is the formal japanese word for yes

>> No.15040725

>>15039908
is grovelling for mishima any different?

>> No.15040731

>>15035564
>>15040256
This.
If anyone knows any of that bugman language when they could've been learning Latin they deserve to have their teeth kicked in.

>> No.15040733

>>15040372
do you really think someone who can read hirigana wouldnt know what that means? Use your head and stop making a fool of yourself, along with the rest of the japanophiles that are plaguing this thread

>> No.15042278

>>15040197
>one gay experience doesn't make you gay
>I should know, ive had many

>> No.15042327

>>15040733
Then did he say it meant no, and my post was clearly adressed to the guy who I assumed didn't know hiragana.

>> No.15042446

>>15040216
why do people always assume icons outed for gay relations after death are gay? Bi erasure is real

>> No.15043046

>>15037933
>kawabata exists
?

>> No.15043062

>>15039903
Mishima has some of the most beautiful romance writing in all literature.

>> No.15043495

>>15040256
>weebs
You mean anyone not living in the past? The whole healthy side of the world loves Japan, and many people have learned to read basic words like hai.

>> No.15043522

>>15039351
>walking around

>> No.15043583

>>15039542
Sun and Steel was a great read

>> No.15043620

>>15039516
Musicians tend to be self centered. I know, I am one...

>> No.15043628

At least Mishima realized his beliefs were from a past time and no longer compatible

>> No.15043886

>>15040295
>ding ding ding
This is very dated reddit vernacular. You arent even arguing inauthenticity and histrionics arent valid criticisms, but instead that its some sort of spectrum which makes everything sincere. Holding fundementally contradicting principles and displaying a lack of understanding of them is no grounds fo gatekeeping.