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Post people who misunderstood Hegel

>> No.15009896

>>15009867
>It can be quite easily be expounded lucidly in one syllable
And yet he took a considerable lot more in that quote to say something that doesn't even give an accurate or well-informed portrayal of it. Russell is a hack

>> No.15009916

>>15009896
Go ahead and explain it in plain language, anon.

>> No.15009928

>>15009916
I never said I was capable of being so reductive, I'm simply pointing out Russell's hypocrisy.

>"I COULD end this whole man's career with ONE SYLLABLE... But instead I'm just going to posture about it being obscure and absurd by being obscure and absurd myself."

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15009931

>w-words too hard! Im gonna do numbers instead!
Was it autism?

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15009935

>>15009867
>Russell
OH NO NO NO NO

>> No.15009940

>>15009935
Idolatry is for weak-minded people. Meme about ideas, anon, not thinkers you have put on pedestals.

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15009947

>>15009940
>he thinks these """"thinkers""""" have genuine """"ideas""""
OH NO NO NO NO

>> No.15009959

>>15009947
so, let me guess. Mr Guenon disparages systems... and then inserts his own after this ruthless criticism? What a genius.

>> No.15009964

>>15009928
>Not even being able to read Russell

You seriously want me to believe that you understand Hegel any better?

>> No.15009967

>>15009928
Wait, you think that one quotation is the entirety of what Russell wrote about Hegel? Are you seriously that retarded?

>> No.15009984

>>15009867
While Russell will always be owed some minimum respect for cucking T.S. Eliot, clearly he isn’t owed very much.

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15009986

Post more STEMlords BTFOing philosophy

>My son is taking a course in philosophy, and last night we were looking at something by Spinoza – and there was the most childish reasoning! There were all these Attributes, and Substances, all this meaningless chewing around, and we started to laugh. Now, how could we do that? Here’s this great Dutch philosopher, and we’re laughing at him. It’s because there was no excuse for it! In that same period there was Newton, there was Harvey studying the circulation of blood, there were people with methods of analysis by which progress was being made! You can take every one of Spinoza’s propositions, and take the contrary propositions, and look at the world – and you can’t tell which is right.

>> No.15009992

>>15009986
Very based and truthpilled.

>> No.15010001

>>15009964
>>15009967
So then direct me to the "words of one syllable" that Russell wrote that renders the entirety of Hegel's thought invalid.

>> No.15010005

>>15009867
Russel is such a fucking perfidious albion, not to mention a shit eating smug cuckold. The more I read of him the more I utterly despise him as a person. He is quite possibly the fucking worst personality in all of philosophy.

>> No.15010071

>>15010005
Oh look, it's a seething pseud. How delightful.

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>>15009867
For once, Bertrand is right.

>> No.15010110

>>15010071
go back to being dead, Bertrand

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15010185

>>15009959
>inserts his own
Guenon's (pbuh) thought is not "his" (pbuh) own, he (pbuh) is merely a messenger. He (pbuh) claims no originality in his (pbuh) uncorrupted transmission of Ancient Perennial Knowledge...

>> No.15010191

>>15010185
Guenon is a mathematically illiterate moron.

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>>15009986
>by which progress was being made!
YAAAS! FRICKIN EPIC!!

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>>15010193
$10 says this anon can't even solve a 10th grade math problem.

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>>15009986
Let's be real science itself really predates philosophy and belongs more to medieval occult theology.

>> No.15010254

>>15010228
Boxes don't float.

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>>15010191

>Guénon was a brainle-
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebraic, Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy
>Guénon was a stupid posing larpe-
He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt
>Guénon was a literal nobody, he was not influenti-
Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who heaped praise on him include Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia.
>Guénon just made a bunch of stupid and unjustified comparisons between religio-
To the contrary over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

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15010284

>>15010267
B A S E D

>> No.15010300

>>15010267
holy..... B A S E D

>> No.15010318

>>15010228
I enjoyed solving this in the /sci/ thread

>> No.15010334

>>15010267
I cannot comment on any other things you mentioned because I'm unfamiliar with them. Unlike Guenon, I do not claim familiary with subjects I only have surface level knowledge of.
>was trained in mathematics
He wrote a whole book about how differential calculus was wrong WAY AFTER Cauchy published completely rigorous foundations of the subject. One of the chapters is titled "Zero is not a number". The fact he cannot comprehend simple well-established mathematical concepts like calculus leads me to believe he was a brainlet.

>> No.15010336

Mathematician here. I honestly have no idea what russell did other than prove the concept of a set of all sets doesn't work (which is trivial and not worthy of very high praise). His work on predicate calculus was rudimentary.
Other than that he tried to autistically reduce math to logic, he was a logicist in terms of philosophy of math however he of course failed and was utterly dominated by the superior Platonist Godel and the god loving intuitionist Brouwer. Logicism in math is literally wrong, in the truest absolute sense. Math objectively does not come from logic, rather logic comes from math. Math comes from the Platonic. This is not opinion the logicist school does not exist anymore because it doesn't work when compared to platonism and intuitionism.
I've never met anyone who wasn't a midwit non-mathematician who likes Russell. For those of us who actually study math, he's just a loser who failed and wrote a giant book of utter meaningless nonsense. He's not important in mathematics whatsoever.

>> No.15010346

>>15009947
I like the part about the error. Guenon is based.

>> No.15010354

>>15010336
>Mathematician here
What's your area of mathematical research?

>> No.15010390

>>15010336
Who would you recommend as math adjacent philosophers?

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15010405

>>15010334
>He wrote a whole book about how differential calculus was wrong
And he (pbuh) would be correct.
>completely rigorous foundations of the subject
LMFAO!!! Guenon (pbuh) retroactively debunked and refuted even the very notion that a profane set-theoretic formalist foundation can be anything but illusory.
>"Zero is not a number".
Correct.
>well-established
See pic related.

>> No.15010408

>>15009896
>>15009928
You're being technical, what you should REALLY be pointing out is his lack of rhetorical skill in making such a mistake. Where in it becomes something obviously more than technicality.

>> No.15010412

>>15010390
>math adjacent philosophers
Any pre-scholastic theologians.

>> No.15010413

>>15010336
>i have no idea what he did
>this is why he sucks
Hows calculus 2 going?

>> No.15010421

>>15010413
>>i have no idea what he did
He's literally irrelevant in my circles so that speaks a lot about his worth. Mathfag here as well.

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15010437

>>15010336
>god loving intuitionist Brouwer.
I thought intuitionism was inherently atheistic? How can you not accept excluded middle and accept God who witnesses the truth value of every proposition?

>>15010405
>>"Zero is not a number".
>Correct.
Based.

>> No.15010438

>>15010354
Diff. Geo.
>>15010413
He literally didn't do anything and I don't any mathematician who gives a shit about him. His work in philosophy doesn't even work godel and brouwer completely refuted him

>> No.15010482

>>15009986
as long as the problem of induction remains unsolved i reject every single scientific "discovery"

>> No.15010487

>>15010437
Brouwer intuitionism was basically saying "ONLY GOD KNOWS" and that we humans have to submit in our ignorance to the lord.
Brouwer believed that humans were embedded by God with the "notion of twoity" which is where mathematical intuition comes from. From there, our God given intuition allows us to construct mathematics, but it's still a mental construction that only exists due to the gift of the "notion of twoity" that God has given to us. Modern constructivists are largely computer scientists for obvious reasons but they differ in terms of the motivation for their philosophy from Brouwer and the original intuitionists.

>> No.15010491

>>15010482
Based and Humepilled

>> No.15010514

>>15010421
He's literally irrelevant in my circles so that speaks a lot about his worth
It really doesn't. I assume your area of math feels the impact of hegel every day?
>>15010438
>He literally didn't do anything
>t. guy who literally doesn't know what he did.
>I don't any mathematician who gives a shit about him
How many mathematicians know much about the history of phil of math? 99% of research mathematicians have zero serious interest in phil of math. The fact that you bring this up just shows how butthurt you are and how little you know.

>> No.15010521

>>15010405
>set-theoretic formalist foundation
>Cauchy

Ignoramous

>> No.15010526

>>15010514
>impact of hegel
Completely irrelevant to math and anything surrounding it.
Also he was refuted by Guenon (pbuh) so he is doubly irrelevant.

>> No.15010697

>>15010526
Based post, brother!

>> No.15010701

>>15010514
He isn't relevant in the history of phil. of math either, other than maybe being the poster child for the failed philosophy of logicism.

>> No.15010758

>>15010701
>russell
>not relevant to the history of phil of math
LOL

>> No.15010862

>>15010336
And here we have another undergrad who cannot understand the difference between symbolic and philosophical logic

>differential geometry
lmao

>> No.15011150

>>15010284
>>15010300
>>15010405
Why are Guenon fags so forced and cringe

I get that you subscribe and are influenced by a certain philosopher's ideas, but why can't you just convey his pure substance without your pbuhs and other attempts at ironic "humour".

Sure he'd be genuinely ashamed to look on at his philosophy and contributions had been reduced to by such drivel and stupidity.

>> No.15011189

>>15011150
Don't even bother trying to reason with them, they will just scream cringe hylic at you. It isn't much more than flavour-of-the-month idolatry pushed by maybe one or two schizos, the rest are just gullible idiots jumping in on a hot new meme (pbuh).

>> No.15011212

>>15011189
Indeed, my previous attempts at discussion with them devolved into ad hominems and being denounced as an "anglo hylic"

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>>15011150
>>15011189

Cringe! Repent. Hylic...
The brothers know the word of our Great Teacher ﷺ and follow it well...

>> No.15011248

>>15010185
>>15009947
can mudslimes stop forcing this pseud already

>> No.15011266

>>15010482
No you don’t.

>> No.15011311

>>15009986
Okay, let's take:
>E1: PROP. 3. Things which have nothing in common cannot be one the cause of the other.
So the contrary proposition would be
>¬E1: PROP. 3. Things which have nothing in common can be one the cause of the other.
Where is an example of two things with nothing in common causing each other, Mr. Feynman? What a pseud.

>> No.15011313

>>15009986
>le progress man
There's something to admire in Feynman's attitude, but he failed to escape the single biggest lie of his time.

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>>15009986
Imagine if Guenon (pbuh) was around when Feynman started the anti-philosophy - pop sci movement. He would've been utterly refuted.

>> No.15011360

>>15011349
why do you guys say pbuh all the time

>> No.15011365

>>15009916
I AM

>> No.15011375

>>15011212
>>15011222
like clockwork. I keep thinking the images of guenon have been edited like the smallbrain photos of Land, but then I remember that is actually the top of his head *wheeze*

>> No.15011404

>>15009867
Hegel misunderstood hegel

>> No.15011406

>>15011360
Peace Be Upon Him, brother...

>> No.15011715

>>15011406
Oh okay. I'm still gonna imagine that it's the sound of you spitting

>> No.15011791

>>15009986
https://youtu.be/X8aWBcPVPMo

Feynman was based.

>> No.15011801

>>15010862
there is no difference between symbolic and philosophical logic.

>> No.15011806

>>15010758
I guess you can say his relevance is being the loser of the philosophical schools of the time.

>> No.15011896

>>15011806
A productive, honest failure is still infinitely more worth than nonsensical quackery (hegel).

>> No.15011926

>>15011896
Don't be mad that you haven't been initiated into the ancient mysteries of Ancient Egypt and Greece KEK

>> No.15011938

>>15009986
Based. Philosocucks eternally seething about FeynChad

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>>15011349
So based... The hylic would surely suffer greatly... Thankfully, Guénon (pbuh) can use a retroactive refutation to refute him even in his Higher State of Being...

>> No.15011950

>>15011943
Baaaaased...

>> No.15011995

>>15009928
>>15010001
Hyperbole is a thing faggot

>> No.15012319

>>15009928
>>15009896
Its hyperbole you tards

>> No.15012332

>>15010482
Haha what problem nigger just obtain empricial evidence

>> No.15012364

>>15011995
>>15012319
lmao took you 7 hours to look and you still couldn't find it. If analytic philosophy is so inscrutable, you think he'd be able to contradict hegel without relying on insubstantial rhetorical tricks

>> No.15012478

>>15010482
You put up bold words, but your actions reduce to sucking its teat.

>> No.15012708

>>15010228
corner to the left of b?

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