Shankara

[Anonymous No.14997789]

Was Shankara the wisest sage/philosopher of all time?
Pill me more on his method and wisdom as well as advaita vedanta.

[Anonymous No.14997808]

>>14997789
The fourth stage. The first is that of the oceanic feeling that Brahman exists everywhere - oneness. The one alone exists, the many are just its forms. They are not really divided, they only appear divided; deep down they are one.

The second stage is that of vichar - thought, contemplation and meditation - where mind has to be disciplined to become one-pointed, because it can disappear only when it has become one-pointed, when the flux has stopped; that is, when you can remain with one thought as long as you wish. You have become the master then, and unless you are the master of the mind, the mind cannot disappear, it cannot cease to be; you cannot order it out of existence.

If you cannot order thoughts to stop, how can you order the whole mind to go out of existence? So in the second stage one has to drop thoughts by and by, and retain only one thought. When you have become capable of dropping thoughts, one day you can drop the mind itself, the whole thought process. When the thought process is dropped you cannot exist as an ego. You exist as consciousness but not as mind; you are there but not as an I. We say "I am." When mind drops, the I drops; you remain a pure amness. Existence is there, rather, more abundant, more rich, more beautiful, but without the ego. There is no one who can say I, only amness exists.

In the third stage, vairagya, nonattachment, you have to become alert - first of the objects of desire, the body, the world - and continuously practice and discipline yourself to become a witness. You are not the doer. Your karmas may be the doers, God may be the doer, fate, or anything, but you are not the doer. You have to remain a witness, just a seer, an onlooker. And then this has also to be dropped. The idea that "I am the witness" is also a sort of doing. Then non-attachment becomes complete, perfect. The third stage, this Upanishad says, is the highest of the three. Now we will discuss the fourth.

The fourth is the state of advaita, nonduality. This word advaita has to be understood before we enter the sutra. This word is very meaningful. Advaita means literally nonduality, not two. They could have said one, but the Upanishads never use the word one; they say nonduality, not two. And this is very significant, because if you say one the two is implied, it becomes a positive statement. If you say there is only one you are asserting something positive.

How can the one exist without the other? One cannot exist without the other. You cannot conceive of the figure one without other figures - two, three, four, five. Many mathematicians have worked it out, particularly Leibniz in the West. He has tried to drop the nine digits, figures. Instead of nine he uses only two: one and two. In his calculations, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and nine are dropped, because he said it is just superstition to continue using ten figures. Why continue using ten figures?

[Anonymous No.14997813]

>>14997808
https://www.osho.com/osho-online-library/osho-talks/innermost-advaita-leibniz-35fb786f-f33?p=968c49ca2fd213fab01531dc47c6fb0d

[An̵ơ̢n͏̸ym̢͢o͢u͞s̡ No.14997847]

The only remaining advaitins left in India are the lingering remnants of theosophy-influenced neovedanta. They are almost entirely upper class westernized expats who are barely Indian themselves. There's a reason why most advaita adherents don't live in India and aren't Indian. It's not Hindu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_and_Theosophy

>Goodrick-Clarke wrote that "educated Indians" were particularly impressed by the Theosophists' defense of their ancient religion and philosophy in the context of the growing self-consciousness of the people, directed against the "values and beliefs of the European colonial powers." Ranbir Singh, the "Maharajah of Kashmir" and a "Vedanta scholar", sponsored Blavatsky and Olcott's travels in India. Sirdar Thakar Singh Sandhanwalia, "founder of the Singh Sabha," became a master ally of the Theosophists.[55][note 16] Prof. Stuckrad noted the wave of solidarity which covered the Theosophists in India had powerful "political implications." He wrote, citing in Cranston's book, that, according to Prof. Radhakrishnan, the philosopher and President of India, the Theosophists "rendered great service" by defending the Hindu "values and ideas"; the "influence of the Theosophical Movement on general Indian society is incalculable."[57]

>Bevir wrote that in India Theosophy "became an integral part of a wider movement of neo-Hinduism", which gave Indian nationalists a "legitimating ideology, a new-found confidence, and experience of organisation." He stated Blavatsky, like Dayananda Sarasvati, Swami Vivekananda, and Sri Aurobindo, "eulogised the Hindu tradition", however simultaneously calling forth to deliverance from the vestiges of the past. The Theosophical advocacy of Hinduism contributed to an "idealisation of a golden age in Indian history." The Theosophists viewed traditional Indian society as the bearer of an "ideal religion and ethic."[26]

>In Prof. Olav Hammer's opinion, Blavatsky, trying to ascribe the origin of the "perennial wisdom" to the Indians, united "two of the dominant Orientalist discourses" of hers era.

If you like Advaita, you're just a Buddhist with Atman tacked on. Just be a Buddhist, it has much richer epistemology and you don't have to associate with western theosophists and live in constant denial about being a fake Hindu living in Florida.

Daily reminder: Shankara fags are Westernized Theosophyfags in disguise. Real Hindus hate them. Shankara threads are pushing crypto-buddhist Theosophy.

[Anonymous No.14997908]

begone cringe-men you are not based you are cringe! CRINGE!!! NON-DUALISM IS HERESY!

[Anonymous No.14998030]

>>14997908
Calm down hylic, i just like advaita vedanta since its similar to my mystical experiences

[A̶̡n͡͡ò͜n̡y̡mo̧uş No.14998042]

>>14998030
Based. Lit has many Advaita brothers. Buddhists have mostly left thanks to Guenonposting thankfully.

[Ano̷̸̢ǹ̡yḿ̨o͘u͏̕s No.14998223]

>>14998110
>>14998042
>>14998030
>>14997808
>>14997789
BASED

[Ano̧nymo̸us No.14998377]

>>14998207
Wrong

[Anonymous No.14998399]

>>14998207
gnosticism is cringe but it's less wrong than pantheism

[Ąnony͘m͡o̡us̷̛ No.14998547]

>>14998399
Advaita is neither monism, pantheism, nor panentheism, it exists in its own unique catagory

[A͝n̢͜o̡̧n̶y̡mo̷us No.14998619]

>>14998591
*forever retroactively refutes you beyond all possible disputation"

nothing personal hylic

[A̴n̴̨onym͏́̕ǫ͡u͘s͜ No.14999365]

Where do I start with based advaita?

[A͘͝ņo҉nym̷ou̴s͏̶́͢ No.14999417]

>>14999365
ignore the hylics

I recommend starting with his series of commentaries on 8 Upanishads which can be read here or purchased on amazon

https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf
https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-vol2.pdf

If you are struggling to understand anything you find on lib-gen the book "The Advaita Tradition in Indian Philosophy" by Sharma, and you can use the index/glossary in it to look up any subject or concept that you are not clear on. Also Guenon's "Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta" can be used as a resource to consult also.

[A̶ǹońymo̴̸ưş̸͘͝ No.14999441]

>>14999365
Don't. Nagarjuna proactively refuted it.

[A̴̢n̶͝o҉́n̶̷y҉mous̸ No.14999495]

Anyone interested in Advaita should check out the Law of One book series:

lawofone.info

It contains the same thesis, regarding the infinitude of consciousness, and of phenomenal illusoriness, but also expands greatly on the nature of our reality beyond what someone like Shankara wrote, and in line with the aforementioned framework. It's quite honestly the most interesting piece of information I've ever encountered. You might not believe in the origins of the document, namely it being material "channeled" by a hive-mind intelligence inhabiting another planet, but remain open-minded and focus on the information itself. The worldview it presents is really comprehensive, and very coherent in my opinion. It's a seminal text within the "New Age" genre of literature, even if I don't personally like such external labels and simply focus on the contents themselves.

[Anon͠y͞m̛o͘̕u͢͠s҉̶͜ No.14999509]

>>14999488
>he doesn't mention Advaita in his works
Yeah because it didn't exist yet.

[A̸̷non͢͟y̸͞m̶o̴u̸s̨ No.14999599]

>>14999560
Correction: Advaita ideas are only clearly found in the Upanishads after you've been exposed to Madhyamika.

[A͘͡n̷͢o̧n͠y̴͠mous͏͏ No.14999761]

>>14999689
The best bits of Buddhism and the best bits of Hinduism would be Mahayana though. Only emptiness can account for all the perceived diversity. The Hindpoos have to retreat back to muh divine pointless play of Brahman.

[A̢ǹo̕͝ny҉m͠o̴u̶s͢͏ No.14999781]

>>14999761
>Only emptiness can account for all the perceived diversity.
emptiness cannot be the cause of anything
>inb4 rrreeeeee sunyata isn't nothingness!!!!
it still can't cause anything including samsara

[À͢͝ńo̶n̛y҉mo͢ù͞s No.14999903]

>>14999657
>How do i remove stuck trauma energy from body/subconscious and completely dissolve power of ego
This is something that may require you study under a teacher who can help you. If you google "Vedanta center", "Advaita center" "meditation center" "Hindu temple" etc you can sometimes find a good center within traveling distance if you live in the west. In the USA most of the major cites have 1 or multiple of these sorts of places nearby. Or you can choose to read through more Vedantic texts until something clicks but the teacher is probably your best bet.

Another thing may be integrating some sort of spiritual practice into your day that helps you maintain your bliss, such as taking certain parts of the day to meditate, perform Yoga, recite mantras, etc but this stuff is also best learnt personally from a teacher IMO.

[A̸̴̕ǹo̧n҉y͝mo̸us̶̴ No.15001024]

>>14997789
>Was Shankara the wisest sage/philosopher of all time?
yes

[An͟on͢y͢m̸̴o̡͘u̵͠s͠ No.15001097]

>>15001088

SILENCE HYLIC

[Anonymous No.15001314]

>>14997847
Yeah ok retard. Guenon (pbuh) wrote an entire book against theosophy. So fuck off

[Ano̢n͢y͠m̴̀o̸͠u͘s̷͘ No.15001485]

>>14997789
>Was Shankara the wisest sage/philosopher of all time?
No, not really. He didn't provide a clear and coherent view of life or man's purpose. Instead he used poetry and mental contortions to try to radically shift man's natural and sober consciousness.
You can try his experiments but in the long run I doubt they will be of much help.

All you need is Christ, desu. You were made in his image and for him.

[Aņ͘on̵̡ym̀͞o҉́us̨͜ No.15001495]

>>15001488

Telling people they are secretly "God" but with a serious case of brain-damage and amnesia is not only dishonest but blasphemous.

[Anơ҉̷nym͟o̧͠ú͡͡s̴ No.15001505]

>>15001501
The only thing being refuted is yourself since you can't even make a case.

[Anonymous No.15001689]

>>15001485
>All you need is Christ, desu.
Very based.

[Anonymous No.15002419]

>>14997789
>Pill me more on his method and wisdom as well as advaita vedanta.
kinda based...

[Anonymous No.15002575]

Should I start with Guénon or Śaṅkarācārya? I'm confused

>>15001689
cringe

[Anonymous No.15002580]

> Was Shankara the wisest sage/philosopher of all time?
no that was young wittgenstein or gautama buddha or maybe me because I am basically both or either of those

[Anonymous No.15002592]

>>15002580
cringe, begone hylic

[Anonymous No.15002659]

>>15001402
Start with his Upanishad commentaries

https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf
https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-vol2.pdf

>>15002575
Reading Guenon's first book 'Intro to Hindu Doctrines' and also 'Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta' teaches you most of the terminology you need to understand Shankara, although you can also try looking it up as you go. Sharma's 'Advaita Tradition in Indian Philosophy' (on libgen) is another good resource.

[Anonymous No.15002725]

>>15002659
Based, thank you for this!

[Anonymous No.15002845]

>>14997789
>Was Shankara the wisest sage/philosopher of all time?
Tell me what he thought about Jesus Christ and I'll answer.

[Anonymous No.15002851]

>>15002659
based

>>15002845
cringe

[Anonymous No.15002879]

>>15002851
>cringe
I didn't even answer, yet you already know...
You have the truth already. Just acknowledge it.

[Anonymous No.15002929]

>>15002845
He lived in the early 8th century in India and most likely had never heard of him, there is some evidence that Christians were already living in Kerala were he was from by this time but they would not have stood out among the multitude of countless other sects both Indian and foreign.

[Anonymous No.15002958]

>>15002929
i wonder if Shankara converted to Christianity on his deathbed

[Anonymous No.15002977]

>>15002958
he better have

[Anonymous No.15003006]

>>15002958
Shankara died in the Himalayas at age 32, some 20-odd years after achieving enlightenment around the age of 11 when he wrote his Brahma Sutra commentary. Converting to Christianity would have been entirely pointless as he had already attained complete non-difference from the Supreme God underlying everything. To someone in such an exalted state existing forever in heaven as something other than God would constitute a bondage, an eternal prison.

[Anonymous No.15003044]

>>15003006
>Supreme God underlying everything
God sustains everything, but He transcends all there is. Creation isn't as perfect as He is and shankara wasn't God. he was His creature and will remain forever as such.

[Anonymous No.15003076]

>>15003006
>Shankara died in the Himalayas at age 32, some 20-odd years after achieving enlightenment around the age of 11
Christ can show himself and his truth even to people who explicitly and knowingly reject him after hearing about him. Saint Paul denied Christ and participated in martyring Christians before suddenly realizing the truth.

[Anonymous No.15003114]

>>15001689 #
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>>15003076 #
>The author of this slender but profound book, a Cistercian monk, discovered as a young man the work of his fellow countryman René Guénon, whose writings introduced him to genuine metaphysical doctrine and to possibilities of spiritual realization. This discovery marked him indelibly, and he resolved to follow a monastic path in order to be free for the ‘one thing needful.’ The word advaita, which designates Vedantic non-dualism, is Sanskrit for ‘non-dual’ or ‘not two’; but the doctrine itself is by no means exclusively Hindu, being present in Buddhism, Islam, Taoism, and Judaism. In Christianity it has always been more implicit, though explicit with writers such as Dionysius the Areopagite, Eriugena, Eckhart, and even Dante. The great merit of this work by ‘a Monk of the West”is that it shows that non-dualism is neither pantheism nor monism, and that there is no incompatibility between orthodox Christian doctrine and the strictest understanding of non-dualism in the Advaita Vedanta. The implication is that non-dualism can again find expression within a Christian ambience. With a subtle care for detail, the author clarifies the relationship between the hypostatic union embodied in the person of Christ and the Supreme Identity of Atma and Brahma, two distinct notions seemingly opposed in certain respects but curiously compatible in unexpected ways. The radical disparity that seemingly exists between the phrase ‘I am Brahma’ and the sacred formula of the Eucharistic consecration ‘This is my Body’ melts away, allowing these separate worlds to shed new meaning on each other.

[Anonymous No.15003118]

>>14999488
ok dickshitter

[Anonymous No.15003142]

>>15003114
it could be him, it could be eckhart, it could be any christian defending non dualism. in the end it will be just another heretic. how do you reconcile non-dualism with the promise the we will have our bodies resurrected? you can't. non dualism is false

[Anonymous No.15003163]

>>15003114
Disgusting Christian subversion. All must unite against the Christian menace that aims to turn everything good and wholesome into cringe Bible thumping and Yeshoua submission.

[Anonymous No.15003180]

>>15003163
t. underage fedora
go fix your father complex first before dwelling on religion

[Anonymous No.15003186]

Test

[Anonymous No.15003188]

>>15003142
>how do you reconcile non-dualism with the promise the we will have our bodies resurrected?

Yeah, it isn't like Jivanmukta, the idea of entering in complete awareness of your oneness with god while alive and in a body isn't one of the central points of the advaita doctrine.
There is no contradiction here unless you think non-dual means a some whispy "soul" floating up in to a bigger god-cloud or something equally retarded lol.

[Anonymous No.15003216]

>>15003180
Christians hate when you point out that their very nature is to subvert and destroy. Having only one purpose and that is to turn the world into nothing but just a gray goo of mediocrity.

All that value honor, truth and beauty should voice their opposition to Christianity.

[Anonymous No.15003220]

>>15001495
Lmao this is actually what advaita Hindus believe

[Anonymous No.15003227]

>>15003188
body-soul is individuality. if you are gonna keep your individuality for the eternity how can you be one with the one? the true self is being a person in history with both body and soul. a soul without body is incomplete, and the soul--body define a person

>>15003216
go away and come back after you have overcome this idealization of the will, after you've realized contemplation is higher than action. you are just a nietzschean fool seeking refuge in orientalism.

[Anonymous No.15003242]

>>15003216
You will answer for your sins one day, and pulling yourself by your metaphysical bootstraps and seeing with your third eye won't save you.
Closing your eyes while you cross a street won't stop cars from hitting you.

[Anonymous No.15003257]

>>15003188
>complete awareness of your oneness with god while alive and in a body
This wouldn't even contradict Christianity if you dropped the nonsense (among other garbage like reincarnation) that absolutely all distinctions are merely an appearance.

[Anonymous No.15003262]

>>15003227
what do you even consider to be individuality lol? You should really read what the people you are arguing against believe in.

[Anonymous No.15003276]

>>15003242
>You will answer for your sins one day
>y-you'll get yours in the end
Typical christcuck slave morality

[Anonymous No.15003282]

>>15003262
capacity one has of recognizing himself as "I". our self exists as a whole with body and soul. we are not perfect beings, only God is

[Anonymous No.15003302]

>>15003282
now you might say the true "I" is God, but our individualities are the personal "I" that unfolded in time and space.

[Anonymous No.15003424]

>>15003276
>Noooo I better gain some bugman karma points to not become an untouchable in my next life!!!!

[Anonymous No.15003481]

>>15003114

>no incompatibility between orthodox Christian doctrine and the strictest understanding of non-dualism in the Advaita Vedanta
>Christianity: the Son is truly distinct from the Holy Spirit
>Advaita: all distinction is illusory
>no incompatibility
???

[Anonymous No.15003484]

>>15003276
Justice exists , God is good but also righteous. It's just advice. You can't run away from God forever.
Give nirvana exercises a try, eventually you will see its futile. Hopefully you will be honest enough...

[Anonymous No.15003494]

>>15003227
>after you've realized contemplation is higher than action
holy.... based....

[Anonymous No.15003500]

>>15003481
Illusory implies distinction between the real and unreal. Illusion is impossible if advaita is true. How can God get brain damaged and be deceived, ever?
The whole work of advaita is a joke with no punchline.

[Anonymous No.15003505]

Christcucks talk of sacrifice yet refuse to make the ultimate sacrifice death of self identity
Read Jung on alchemy
Advaita isint a widespread religion but a philosophy of the mystics who recognize truth in their experience

[Anonymous No.15003516]

>>15003505
>Jung
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.15003517]

>>15003505
>Im SpIrItUaL nOt rElIgIoUs
cope harder orientalist larper
>jung
lol even cringe osho btfo cringe jung. you are clueless

[Anonymous No.15003524]

>>15003500
This kills advaita.

[Anonymous No.15003531]

all this non dualistic stuff on lit is the new ave of new age stuff. you are cyber hippies seeking refuge in orientalism. not different from people in the 60s and the beatles following indian gurus

[Anonymous No.15003553]

>>15003531
And your point is?
We're all seeking meaning and purpose.

[Anonymous No.15003593]

>>15003531
>>15003517
>Only allowed to follow philosophy you're born into
Is such the state of brainlet ego cockroaches?
meditate more

[Anonymous No.15003594]

>>15003553
He's just saying that non-dualism isn't the true end-destination of this search. I honestly believe most non-dualists here will reach the truth in their life at a later point.

[Anonymous No.15003595]

>>15003553
my point is exactly seraphim rose's point in his book "orthodoxy and the religion of the future". stop going for vain philosophies of men for the logos incarnated, died for us and resurrected. all the rest is vain mental gymnastics THAT LEAD AWAY FROM SALVATION. they are prelest

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth." Luke 11:23

[Anonymous No.15003601]

>>15003593
>born into
Most people on this website are born into atheistic materialistic garbage.

[Anonymous No.15003632]

>>15003595
>“It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the Truth above all else.”

[Anonymous No.15003635]

>>15003516
YES

[Anonymous No.15003665]

>>15003632
yet he grew away of guenon, did not take him as a prophet and renounced guenonian thought. honestly just read his books. the one i mentioned is precisely a critique against the growing new age movement --- which is ironic since you replied to my post that is summary of his work. it was from him that i learned even the beatles went after vivekenanda.

seraphim is wrong about some stuff though

[Anonymous No.15003677]

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I INVENTED NON DUALISM, IT WAS ME I DID IT, S-STOP CALLING ME A CRYPTO-BUDDHIST

[Anonymous No.15003688]

>>15003665
>seraphim is wrong about some stuff though
Like what?

[Anonymous No.15003689]

>>15003688
critique of catholicism and catholic saints (such as saint francis)

[Anonymous No.15003719]

>>15003689
What's wrong with that?
Catholicism is crypto-paganism.
t. Catholic

[Anonymous No.15004026]

>>15003500
>How can God get brain damaged and be deceived, ever?
He doesn't, this is the perennial mistake that people constantly have when talking about Advaita. God is completely unaffected in the slightest by maya

[Anonymous No.15004494]

>>15003688
his critiques of eastern religions are boomer-tier nonsense, I have even seen people say in defense of Rose that these parts were inserted into his works after he died by other monks

[Anonymous No.15005036]

>>15003595
>stop going for vain philosophies of men for the logos incarnated, died for us and resurrected. all the rest is vain mental gymnastics THAT LEAD AWAY FROM SALVATION. they are prelest

"This self was indeed Brahman in the beginning. It knew itself only as "I am Brahman." Therefore it became all. And whoever among the gods had this enlightenment, also became That Brahman. It is the same with the seers (rishis), the same with men. The seer Vamadeva, having realized this self as That, came to know: "I was Manu and the sun." And to this day, whoever in a like manner knows the self as "I am Brahman," becomes all this universe. Even the gods cannot prevent his becoming this, for he has become their Self. Now, if a man worships another deity, thinking: "He is one and I am another," he does not know. He is like an animal to the gods. As many animals serve a man, so does each man serve the gods. Even if one animal is taken away, it causes anguish to the owner; how much more so when many are taken away! Therefore it is not pleasing to the gods that men should know this."

- Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

[Anonymous No.15005224]

>>15005036
>"This self was indeed Brahman in the beginning. It knew itself only as "I am Brahman." Therefore it became all. And whoever among the gods had this enlightenment, also became That Brahman. It is the same with the seers (rishis), the same with men. The seer Vamadeva, having realized this self as That, came to know: "I was Manu and the sun." And to this day, whoever in a like manner knows the self as "I am Brahman," becomes all this universe. Even the gods cannot prevent his becoming this, for he has become their Self. Now, if a man worships another deity, thinking: "He is one and I am another," he does not know. He is like an animal to the gods. As many animals serve a man, so does each man serve the gods. Even if one animal is taken away, it causes anguish to the owner; how much more so when many are taken away! Therefore it is not pleasing to the gods that men should know this."

Pure cringe.

[Anonymous No.15005248]

>>15005224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu8ffw5LtzQ

[Anonymous No.15005261]

>>15005036
Absolutely fucking based as someone who has a bit of conscious connection to brahman(working on stronger connection) i feel this truth

[Anonymous No.15005273]

>>15005261
>conscious connection to brahman
how can you have a """connection"" to an abstract idea?

[Anonymous No.15005426]

>>15005273
If you want the answer you can find it in chapter 15 of Rene Guenon's (pbuh) book 'The Multiple States of the Being', it's the chapter titled 'The Realization of the Being through Knowledge'

[Anonymous No.15005462]

>>15005273
By reducing the grip of false self ego,you start feeling a connection to eternal self (feeling of underlying oneness behind appearances)
Thats why i enjoy advaita even tho im not hindu nor westerner ,because it confirms my journey

[Anonymous No.15005773]

>>15005036
So based...

>>15005224
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.15005948]

>>15005036
>Therefore it is not pleasing to the gods that men should know this.

1
Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; his love endures forever.
2
Let Israel say: "His love endures forever."
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Let the house of Aaron say: "His love endures forever."
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Let those who fear the LORD say: "His love endures forever."
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In my anguish I cried to the LORD, and he answered by setting me free.
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The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?
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The LORD is with me; he is my helper. I will look in triumph on my enemies.
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It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.
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It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in princes.
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All the nations surrounded me, but in the name of the LORD I cut them off.
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They surrounded me on every side, but in the name of the LORD I cut them off.
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They swarmed around me like bees, but they died out as quickly as burning thorns; in the name of the LORD I cut them off.
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I was pushed back and about to fall, but the LORD helped me.
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The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.
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Shouts of joy and victory resound in the tents of the righteous: "The LORD's right hand has done mighty things!
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The LORD's right hand is lifted high; the LORD's right hand has done mighty things!"
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I will not die but live, and will proclaim what the LORD has done.
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The LORD has chastened me severely, but he has not given me over to death.
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Open for me the gates of righteousness; I will enter and give thanks to the LORD.
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This is the gate of the LORD through which the righteous may enter.
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I will give you thanks, for you answered me; you have become my salvation.
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The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone;
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the LORD has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes.
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This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
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O LORD, save us; O LORD, grant us success.
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Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD. From the house of the LORD we bless you. [1]
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The LORD is God, and he has made his light shine upon us. With boughs in hand, join in the festal procession up [2] to the horns of the altar.
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You are my God, and I will give you thanks; you are my God, and I will exalt you.
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Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; his love endures forever.

- Prophet-King David

[Anonymous No.15006260]

>>15003531
>not different from people in the 60s and the beatles following indian gurus
sweet! I love the beatles

[Anonymous No.15006335]

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself

[Anonymous No.15006508]

>>15005948
based

[Anonymous No.15006583]

>>15005948
>It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.
Holy based...

[Anonymous No.15006651]

>>15005036
>""gods""
>""Manu""
>""sun""
>""Brahman""
>""deity""
>""it became all""
>""it causes anguish to the owner""
Refuted in Deuteronomy.

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

>>15005948
>>15006508
>>15006583
Based.

[Anonymous No.15006814]

But how can one detach from physical realities? Literally how? How I am supposed to survive or care about anything? Food, clothing? Have I to live in a monastery or as a homeless/backpacker nomad? Am I missing something? Also, why are you posting here or browsing internet in general if you are well aware of the fact that everything is illusory? Why are you not meditating instead of wasting your time, LARPing in a pseudo-Japanese imageboard? Are you not supposed to live off the grid to attain serinity and so on? These thoughts keep me away from look deep into this kind of shit or take any of you guys seriously.

[Anonymous No.15007063]

>>15006814
If you travel to India you can choose to abandon all your possessions and be initiated into the Dashnami Sampradaya order that traces its founding to Shankara, they accept anyone without caste/nationality requirements. If you do this they will initiate you into Advaita and help you reach enlightenment and then you live out the rest of your life as an enlightened monk obtaining food through alms. It's a one way road though.

[Anonymous No.15007101]

>>15006814
The wise man, unlike the worldly man, does not see inner stillness, distraction, or fault in himself, even when living like a worldly man. 18.18

Nothing is done by him who is free from being and non-being, who is contented, desireless, and wise, even if in the world’s eyes he does act. 18.19

The wise man who just goes on doing what presents itself for him to do, encounters no difficulty in either activity or inactivity. 18.20

He who is desireless, self-reliant, independent, and free of bonds functions like a dead leaf blown about by the wind of causality. 18.21

There is neither joy nor sorrow for one who has transcended samsara. With a peaceful mind he lives as if without a body. 18.22

He whose joy is in himself, and who is peaceful and pure within has no desire for renunciation or sense of loss in anything. 18.23

For the man with a naturally empty mind, doing just as he pleases, there is no such thing as pride or false humility, as there is for the natural man. 18.24

“This action was done by the body but not by me.” The pure-natured person thinking like this is not acting even when acting. 18.25

He who acts without being able to say why, but is not thereby a fool, he is one liberated while still alive, happy and blessed. He is happy even in samsara. 18.26

He who has had enough of endless considerations and has attained peace, does not think, know, hear, or see. 18.27

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

[Anonymous No.15007107]

I don't get it. All this shit is literally right there in Schopenhauer if you read him as a mystic (which I would argue is how you should read him anyway)

[Anonymous No.15007140]

>>15006814
As zen monks ate when hungry and slept when tired, i shitpost when amused
It is easy to be serene in activity but true enlightenment is serene mind and witnessing awareness in active daily life, shitposting is my karma yoga practice

[Anonymous No.15007175]

>>15007107
He got it from eastern texts, such as the Bhagavad Gita. Schoppy also has a weird fixation on suffering that the easterners don't have.

[Anonymous No.15007197]

>>15007063
Then, if this is a quasi-precondition to fully appreciate the true value of these scriptures and ultimately grasp Brahman, why is all this people here, chit chatting with each other and falling into the baits of all this tradcaths, orthodogs and guenonfags? At least they should be studying or contemplating or meditating or doing something in order to achieve that desired state of self-realization.
>>15007101
But of all actions, lurking and shitposting in this shitty website is the last thing a "wise man" would do. Seriously, what is the point in discussing with all this plebs if you are supposedly in that state of bliss and enlightenment?

[Anonymous No.15007237]

>>15007197
>Seriously, what is the point in discussing with all this plebs if you are supposedly in that state of bliss and enlightenment?
To spread the illumination my brother

[Anonymous No.15007245]

>>15007197
It's fun. I enjoy 4chan's culture. Just playing the game of worldly enjoyment. Also, 4chan literally was the catalyst of my liberation, as I wouldn't have come across the Ashtavakra Gita otherwise, though to be fair, the pieces were in position for the Ashtavakra Gita to really click and finish the puzzle, finish the striving. It may not have the same effect for you.

> lurking and shitposting in this shitty website is the last thing a "wise man" would do.

Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

I'm neither the doer of my actions, nor reaper of their consequences. My nature compels me to post on 4chan, and I just go along, being blown about by causality.

[Anonymous No.15007250]

>>14997789
damn i thought this was mu and this was a shakira thread for a second

[Anonymous No.15007257]

>>15007107
I find reading Shankara to be much more interesting and enjoyable than reading Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.15007358]

>>15007245
The Ashtavakra Gita really is a precious gem of a text.

[Anonymous No.15007420]

>>15007245
How could you enjoy or have fun now that you are aware of the true, nondual nature of reality? Why would you want to play the "game of worldly enjoyment"? It is pointless, unreal. According to Advaita Vedanta, it is not really real, not objectively real. Do you care for others in a physical way? If you want to reach the supreme goal and all that, brahmacharya is essential, right? Are you all (or aspired to be) enlightened volcels?

[Anonymous No.15007428]

>>15007245
Based
Its is simply karma yoga as found in bhagavad gita as i mentioned earlier >>15007140
performing daily tasks with awareness of brahman

[Anonymous No.15007561]

>>15007250
My fucking sides

[Anonymous No.15007598]

>>14997847
Buddhism has nothing on the level of the Ashtavakra Gita

[Anonymous No.15007634]

>>15007420
I always did enjoy videogames and boardgames, knowing they're not real. Now reality has just become another game to me, and I take it about as seriously as that.

[Anonymous No.15007647]

>>15007428
The beautiful thing is when you see the same notion expressed in other religions. Such as in Brother Lawrence's Practice of the Presence of God.

https://ccel.org/ccel/lawrence/practice/practice..

[Anonymous No.15007773]

>>15007760
dude, relax

[Anonymous No.15007857]

>>15007634
So now you are basically an amoral, "positive" nihilist orientophile in the eyes of the common dualist layman? I don't understand why anyone would want that. You could live a life of self-enquiry and attain actual liberation, as a humble stranger and pilgrim on the earth, but do you still prefer to fucking play the "game of worldly enjoyment" and browse 4chan on a regular basis? It is absurd, it does not make any sense.

[Anonymous No.15007883]

>>15007857
Nansen’s Cat-Killing
Once, when the monks of the Western and Eastern Halls were quarrelling about a cat, Nansen, holding up
the cat, said, “You monks! if any of you can speak a word of Zen I will spare the cat, otherwise I will kill
it!” No one could answer, so Nansen killed it. In the evening, Joshu came back from somewhere, and
Nansen told him what had happened. Joshu thereupon took off his shoe, put it on his head, and walked off.
Nansen said, “If only you had been there, I could have saved the cat!”
There is no actual liberation it is your false self seeking and in that seeking in feeds it self separating you further from truth.Liberation is here and now and cannot be anywhere else

[Anonymous No.15007945]

>>15007857
You can attain liberation through self-enquiry. There are many roads to the top of the mountain.

Rare is the man who knows himself as the non dual lord of the world, and thou shalt not test the lord. Or as Ashtavakra puts it:

The realm of one’s self is not far away, nor can it be achieved by the addition of limitations to its nature. It is unimaginable, effortless, unchanging, and spotless. 18.5

[Anonymous No.15008285]

>>14997789
try Buddhism