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[Anonymous No.14963671]

Is there any moral objectivism other than religion? I'm to autistic for relativism

[Anonymous No.14963701]

Why yes, Aristotle's ethics.

[Anonymous No.14963721]

>>14963671
It is objectively true that you are a subject and you're playing the same complex game as we all are with a little bit of autismo sprinkled on top. Why Try to abstract away morality as if it is some kind of category set apart from reality itself? you don't like getting your head crushed in unless you want to die. It's simple. Pain sucks. Don't make pain. There you go, morality.

[Anonymous No.14963740]

>>14963671
Morality is simply doing that which benefits you. Suppose that you could see and experience all possible lives that you could live, and discover which life is most preferable to you. The sum of experiences in that life is most preferable, and is therefore the most moral. This is the life that you should live, because you wouldn’t want to do otherwise. If this isn’t morality, then what is? And why should you be moral? Why should you settle for a lesser life?

As for being good to others, this is usually moral, since creating good relationships with others tends to good consequences for yourself. You shouldn’t even risk harming others, because the fear of punishment itself will be enough to worsen your experience of life. For those who say that we are good to others purely out of selflessness: why, then, are you good to them? And why not be good to other species just as equally? And why not sacrifice yourself for a pebble, if you are truly selfless? So we see that total selflessness is illogical. All actions are ultimately motivated by the self.

It follows that atheists can have a sense of morality, since they have an idea of what’s good for them. Everyone knows not to kill because this leads to bad consequences for yourself. However, an atheist isn’t far from believing that he can get away with murder or theft, because these actions aren’t inherently immoral, since it’s possible that they produce good results. So though atheists have a sense of morality, it is not a permanent, universal, morality, known to humans, as in theism. But both the theist and atheist depend on faith for their morality, since no one truly knows what is best for him in the end. In either case morality is subjective in that the best action depends on the subject (and the environment), but it is also objective in that the best action exists and is not decided by the subject’s rational opinion. If I think it’s good for me to murder, it doesn’t make it good.

[Anonymous No.14963789]

>>14963671
Virtue and Deontological ethics are the only ones to take seriously.

[Anonymous No.14963798]

>>14963671
Virtue Ethics

[Anonymous No.14963819]

>>14963701
>”all ethics must eventually lead to that which is highest in us, namely contemplation of God.” -last page of EE
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14963826]

>>14963671
Read a book sometime moron

[Anonymous No.14963832]

To be blunt, no.

[Anonymous No.14963856]

>>14963671
Political Ideologies
Platonic Truth
Dogma

[Anonymous No.14963861]

>>14963826
I read harry potter and nietzsche every year so fucking kill your self

[Anonymous No.14963870]

The only type of morality is the morality of force

[Anonymous No.14963874]

>>14963870
Grug No Think Grug SMASH

[Anonymous No.14963889]

>>14963671
I don’t think so but there are plentt of contemporary philosophers who do. I suppose religious morality is meant to be objective in the sense that morality exists ‘out there’ concretely, maybe in God. But you can also think that morality is objective even if it only exists for humans and even if it is mind-dependent, because mind-dependent doesn’t necessarily (or so many think) imply relativism. Anyway if you’re actually interested in this question go and read some introductory books on ethics, and especially read some meta-ethics because it deals with the sort of question you’re asking

[Anonymous No.14963919]

>>14963889
reading all those books is a waste of time when it’s answered in one 4channel post>>14963740

[Anonymous No.14963929]

>>14963874
And Grug fuck a woman and have kids, unlike you

[Anonymous No.14964082]

>>14963740
Ah atheist mental gymnastics.

[Anonymous No.14964238]

>>14963740
based except for the athiesm, your idea is essentially a bastardised variant of Spinoza's 'increase in one's power of action'

[Anonymous No.14964283]

>>14963671
You can take the simple hippie pill and like a child understand that God is infinite love and wisdom and this is where morality is born of. so imitate love and wisdom and there you go - morality. then you must make sure you are a good boy or you will go astray. Most importantly do not take datura. You are not ready.

[Anonymous No.14964962]

>>14964082
>>14964238
not an argument

[Anonymous No.14964994]

>>14963671
Religion isn't objective either. So no.