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[Jackson Everett !!yLtUr7JfY4M No.14948137]

Read the Gita
Follow the Dharma

[Anonymous No.14948146]

Read the Gospel
Follow Christ

[Anonymous No.14948157]

>>14948137
All the Pandavas except Yuddhistira ended up in hell.

[Jackson Everett !!yLtUr7JfY4M No.14948200]

>>14948146
Christ is the master of those who wish to only die on their knees, weak, having accomplished little.

[Anonymous No.14948359]

>hollow ritualism
>feminized priestly class
no thanks I seek true liberation from samsara

[Anonymous No.14948558]

>>14948146
Fuck off with your Judaism

[Anonymous No.14948565]

>>14948137
Read The God Delusion
Follow Richard Dawkins

[Jackson Everett !!yLtUr7JfY4M No.14948623]

>>14948359
I follow no rituals and recognize no priests but the avatars of Vishnu.

[Anonymous No.14948797]

>>14948623
>I follow no rituals and recognize no priests but the avatars of Vishnu.
then you're doing it wrong

[Jackson Everett !!yLtUr7JfY4M No.14948854]

>>14948797
Tell me about some rituals Krishna spoke unto Arjuna

[Anonymous No.14948866]

>>14948797
Its not about rituals brainlet its about karma yoga bringing god awareness into everyday tasks renouncing ones fruit of labor mentally.

[Anonymous No.14948874]

>>14948854
>tell me what this pagan god said to this other pagan god
Neither existed, so it's irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.14948896]

>>14948874
Both definitely existed and we're princes but were probably later deified like Jesus.

[Anonymous No.14949058]

>>14948200
>he thinks Indians have accomplished shit.
>he thinks Euros didn’t accomplish shit.

[Anonymous No.14949104]

>>14949058
>he thinks Indians have accomplished shit.

Well, to be fair...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBFbQsCeO_w

[Jackson Everett !!yLtUr7JfY4M No.14949117]

>>14948866
As in, not a ritual, ingesting and living for God in every moment.
>>14949058
Europeans are the Brahmin.

[Anonymous No.14949200]

>>14949058
Not as much as Europeans but Indians have accomplished some shit. The number system we use today came somewhat from Indians. The Indus Valley Civilization was the most sophisticated Civilization in the world during it's time. The idea of zero came from India.

[Anonymous No.14949441]

>>14948854
>Tell me about some rituals Krishna spoke unto Arjuna
what is this some weird kind of protestant hinduism?
through out everything about the religion except for what J̶e̶s̶u̶s̶ Arjuna said?

[Anonymous No.14949456]

>>14949058
What Euros accomplished was clearly despite of Christianity, not because of it.

[Anonymous No.14949511]

>>14948359
That is cute but how about you guys actually follow the God that through his prophet(pbuh) actually let the world know that one does not have to abandon society for salvation. Listen to he who not only was a seer and a philosopher but also a warrior, a statesman and family man.

Before Muhammad(pbuh) there was only the ascetics; the world-deniers and the self-abusers, and the worshipers of wood and stone. Islam provides the true middle path.

[Anonymous No.14949537]

>>14949511
>just join this heresy of christianity bro we promise we have the truth

[Anonymous No.14949562]

>>14949537
>christianity
Yeah... I think i'm gonna be cringing at that.

[Anonymous No.14949667]

>>14949511
>one does not have to abandon society for salvation
this exact shit is also in the Gita. Krshna said to do your material duty is still on the path to God

>Before Muhammad(pbuh) there was only the ascetics; the world-deniers and the self-abusers
What I said before. No. Even your preislamic arab pagans arent even like that. God.

>worshipers of wood and stone.
This is like usual pleb muslims' type of thinking. You arent like that. Or dont be one. You can say "But the Kaabah is only the house of God and we dont worship the building" so the pagans can say similar shit with their material objects.

[Anonymous No.14950668]

>>14948137
Cringe
>>14948146
Based

[Anonymous No.14950821]

There is only one nondual eternal god that reveals himself in many forms yet people are retarded and cling to that particular form instead of going beyond the form.

[Anonymous No.14950991]

>religion

[Anonymous No.14952118]

>>14948157
brainlet

[Anonymous No.14952401]

>>14950821
such is life in the Kali Yuga

[Anonymous No.14952428]

>>14948137
>Read Devi Gita
Fix'd

[Anonymous No.14952453]

>>14949511
>Listen to he who not only was a seer and a philosopher but also a warrior, a statesman and family man.
Gautama Buddha was all of those.
He was a warrior first and foremost.

[Anonymous No.14952473]

>>14952453
>He was a warrior first and foremost.
You keep saying that in every thread on Buddhism but you never give a single source for your statement.

And no, him running away from being a warrior does not make him a warrior. So don't start quoting his life before becoming the Buddha.

[Anonymous No.14952486]

>>14948137
I was walking down the street a few weeks ago, and a little old Indian woman came up to me and tried to give me a copy of the Gita. Like I usually do, I got all weird and told her I already had a copy, which was a lie. She told me to promise her that I'd read it, which I said I would. She looked sincerely happy that I said that, and now I feel bad about not taking a copy. I'm a Christian, but I think I'll have to find a copy and read it anyway so I can keep my promise to this woman.

[Anonymous No.14952521]

>>14952473
He was a Kshatriya.
>Better to die in battle than to live in defeat.
t. Buddha
There are countless references for the necessity of having a warrior spirit in the Pali Canon, and the vast majority of his followers were other Kshatriyas.
Want an historical source?
Here's your historical source bro
https://www.historynet.com/buddha-enlightened-warrior.htm
Want a literally source? Every buddhist text, if you actually read them.
Want an essay dedicated to this topic specifically?
Read the Doctrine of Awakenin by Julius Evola, in which he explains how buddhism was a return to the primordial tradition and a revolt against the decadent brahmins

[Anonymous No.14952545]

>>14948137
>reading pajeetshit
lol, pass

[Anonymous No.14952673]

>>14948157

[Anonymous No.14952847]

>>14952521
The Buddha also said that anyone that dies in battle goes straight to hell and the first precept is pretty much the most important for Buddhists. Also if I remember correctly about your quote it is about spiritual "battle" for enlightenment where you either get enlightened or die trying.

I'll check out the link though.

[Anonymous No.14953006]

>>14952521
Well the article you posted does say that he was raised a warrior but that he ultimately completely rejected the legitimacy of the kshatriya caste and preached pacifism and a rejection of war. So dunno if that is a return to the primordial tradition.

Don't get me wrong I would have loved if he actually did not preach world-denying moralism but seems like he did. So even if pretty much everything else he taught was right(i sorta think so) I don't really want to follow a religion that tells me i'll be going to hell if I go fishing with my grandpa.

[Anonymous No.14953097]

>>14948137
https://asitis.com/11

my goal is to see the universal form for myself

[Anonymous No.14953664]

>>14948200
>Christ is the master of those who wish to only die on their knees, weak, having accomplished little
And dindus have a slave based cast system lol
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.14953670]

>>14948359
Why do indians insists on pushing their made up bullshit terms so much?
As if their marvel tier theology isn't convoluted nonsense enough.

[Anonymous No.14953671]

being born into hinduism >>>

[Anonymous No.14953685]

>>14950821
God IS Pepe!

[Anonymous No.14953690]

>>14948137
>barftava shita
Name me one hindu who is not a total degenerate faggot.

[Anonymous No.14954279]

>>14952847
Not canon, also not true
The Buddha advised other warriors to fulfill their military duties before joining him.

>>14953006
The majority of moralist buddhist interpretations were written several centuries if not millenniums after Gautama's death.
Again, read the doctrine of awakening, it's eye opening

[Anonymous No.14954287]

>>14950821
T.René Guénon

[Anonymous No.14954660]

>>14948137
Read 'MahaPrajnaParamita-Sastra' by Nagarjuna
Follow Buddha's Dharma

[Anonymous No.14955052]

>>14950821
>nondualism

Please, don't pretend this Buddhism is real Hinduism.

[Anonymous No.14955134]

For the Hindus, people have the knowledge that they have a true nature, but people are misguided on what they take as their true nature. This is why the Hindus say that people are already enlightened, they just do not know about it... The true nature of people is not the 5 senses or their objects, it is the mind, the cosmos, or later their deification of this, ie their Brahma or their Buddha, and when people realize this they are enlightened. The way to realize this is by relying on material objects which purify their minds, like sounds, logic, mantras, little beads, amulets.

Then people ask the usual question ''why the cosmos produce things which do not know that they are the cosmos?'' ie ''why are people not born directly enlightened? instead of being born unenlightened which produces lots of suffering?''
So far the Hindus have no answer to this ''question of evil''. The Hindus keep replying ''people do not know their true nature'' and that's their answer...

in Buddhism, people do not have a true nature, people are not the cosmos, people are not Brahma, people are not Buddha, people are not their mind, people are not born already enlightened. In Buddhism there is only craving for pretty things and pretty ideas [ie the idea of having ''a true nature''] and lack of craving for pretty things and pretty ideas. People get enlightened when they stop craving for those. The way to get enlightened is to purify the mind, however not with objects like the Hindus do, but with the mind itself, ie all the time checking [with the mind] the behavior of the mind and then viewing the mind as it really is, which is anicca, dukkha , anatta, which triggers dispassion, which triggers liberation which triggers knowledge that dukkha is ended.

[Anonymous No.14955215]

>>14955052

[Anonymous No.14955357]

>>14955052
This is just gibberish nonsense.
>no my teacher is better
>no my teacher is better
>maybe they're the same
Just fucking agree on a coherent epistemology already.

[Anonymous No.14955518]

>>14955357
agree with no poo in the loo? never

[Anonymous No.14955578]

>>14954279
>The majority of moralist buddhist interpretations were written several centuries if not millenniums after Gautama's death.
Then which scriptures is correct then? Do you have a system of determining it?

[Anonymous No.14955765]

>>14955578
>Then which scriptures is correct then?
the Christian ones

[Anonymous No.14955816]

>>14955765
Based.

[Anonymous No.14955842]

>>14955765
cringe

[Anonymous No.14955905]

>>14948137
shitskin hindu cope

[Anonymous No.14955926]

>>14955842
>pope
>christian
cringe
>>14955816
>>14955765
based
>>14955905
based

[Anonymous No.14955951]

>>14955578
The pagan ones

[Anonymous No.14955962]

>>14953097
Chapter 11 is radical, the art I see of it never does it justice

[Anonymous No.14956143]

>>14955052
You're retarded.
Ramanuja is the essence of vedic thought, stop striking down Shankara and claiming you've beaten non-dualism.
Non-dualistic schools of hinduism are dead in India.

[Anonymous No.14956164]

>>14956143
*dualistic schools of though
fuck

[Anonymous No.14956177]

>>14956143
Ramanuja's theology was very different to Shankara's. The individual self is part of the body of the Lord, but is not identical to the Lord. Additionally the Lord is a personal God with attributes and is higher than attributeless Brahman. In western terms it's more panentheist than monist.

[Anonymous No.14956206]

>>14956177
dualism implies complete and utter seperation.
Ultimately all things return to brahman and lose their attributes.

[Anonymous No.14956571]

>>14956143
He hasn't actually struck down Shankara but just whines about how he believes some of Shankara's ideas come from Buddhism, but in fact the Upanishads which Shankara gets those ideas from predate Buddhism by hundreds of years, Buddhism was mostly ripped from the Upanishads. There wasn't anything really new about Buddhism when it first appeared but all of it's teachings are just repeating what's in the early Upanishads including they say about monasticism, moral precepts, overcoming desire, attaining liberation from rebirth, disidentifying with the psycho-physical complex and so on

[Anonymous No.14956589]

>>14956571
Buddha would probably be appaled to know his teachings have tried to shake their upanishad roots.

[Anonymous No.14956612]

>>14956143
ramanuja is at least better than cryptobuddhist shankara

[Anonymous No.14957498]

>>14956206
Yeah, in Shankara's theology. Not in Ramanuja's, the individual jivas are part of the Lord but are not equal to the Lord. They don't dissolve into Brahman.

[Anonymous No.14957756]

>>14956206
Just admit you're a buddhist dude. This is not Vedic.

[Anonymous No.14957948]

>>14957756
>This is not Vedic.
Vedic texts like the pre-Buddhist Brihadaranyaka and Chandogya Upanishads use apophatic negation and speak of an absence of duality and distinctions

>"For when there is duality, as it were, then one sees another, one smells another, one tastes another, one speaks to another, one hears another, one thinks of another, one touches another, one knows another. But when to the knower of Brahman everything has become the Self, then what should he see and through what, what should he smell and through what, what should he taste and through what, what should he speak and through what, what should he hear and through what, what should he think and through what, what should he touch and through what, what should he know and through what? Through what should one know That Owing to which all this is known? "

Brihadaranyaka 4.5.15.

>"In this state a father is no more a father, a mother is no more a mother, the worlds are no more the worlds, the gods are no more the gods, the Vedas are no more the Vedas. In this state a thief is no more a thief, the killer of a noble brahmin is no more a killer, a chandala is no more a chandala, a paulkasa is no more a paulkasa, a monk is no more a monk, an ascetic is no more an ascetic. "This form of his is untouched by good deeds and untouched by evil deeds, for he is then beyond all the woes of his heart.

Brihadaranyaka 4.3.22.

>‘Bhūmā [the infinite] is that in which one sees nothing else, hears nothing else, and knows [i.e., finds] nothing else. But alpa [the finite] is that in which one sees something else, hears something else, and knows something else. That which is infinite is immortal, and that which is finite is mortal.’ Nārada asked, ‘Sir, what does bhūmā rest on?’ Sanatkumāra replied, ‘It rests on its own power—or not even on that power [i.e., it depends on nothing else]’.

Chandogya 7.24.1.

>O Somya, it is like this: By knowing a single lump of gold you know all objects made of gold. All changes are mere words, in name only. But gold is the reality.

Chandogya 6.1.5.

[Anonymous No.14958272]

>>14957948
Please don't read Hinduism through Buddhism like this. This is why neovedanta is universally despised. See >>14955052 my crypto-buddhist friend.

[Anonymous No.14958329]

>>14958272
>acknowledging what the plain meaning of the text is when taken at face value is Buddhism or Neovedanta
how stupid can you be?

[Anonymous No.14958403]

>>14958329
Misinterpreting your late, heavily buddhist influenced tradition as the real tradition of the Vedas makes you a neovedantist, yes. The only people who don't call advaitins cryptobuddhists are other advaitins.. and theosophists. Great sign.

[Anonymous No.14958423]

>>14958403
>Misinterpreting
You haven't shown how I'm misinterpreting anything or responded to the citations I made which show what I am talking about in the pre-Buddhist literature

[Anonymous No.14958713]

>>14948137
jackson everett hmmm.....sounds like a white dudes name. Hey jackson, your not some larper? A tourist? A cultural vagabond are you?

[Anonymous No.14959175]

>>14958713
cringe

[Anonymous No.14959443]

>>14948359
Based

Buddhism is Sanatana Dharma but fixed

[Anonymous No.14959736]

>>14959443
Something is only the eternal truth if it doesn't need to be fixed. The Upanishads are Sanatana Dharma and don't need to be fixed, which is why Buddha never criticized them but instead repeated their metaphysics in his teachings while criticizing ritualism.

[Anonymous No.14959779]

>>14959736
cryptobuddhist cope