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Galatians 4 depends on major ignorance by Paul. In Jewish and Islamic concubinage, the son of a concubine is considered family. It's in Roman law rather that he's a slave. Even more serious of a lapse is that Abraham, alayhe salam, did NOT take Hagar as a concubine, he married her (Genesis 16:3)

>> No.14941152

>>14941146
Makes sense given that it was written by Marcion.

>> No.14941219
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>>14941146
>In Jewish and Islamic concubinage, the son of a concubine is considered family.

Paul was a Christian, Abdul.

And you won't stop our faith by criticising Paul, Jesus is key

>> No.14941269

>>14941219
Abraham however was a Muslim

>> No.14941303

>>14941146
>Paul misinterpreted the laws of Islamic concubinage
>Even though Paul died before the start of Islam
What did he mean by this?

>> No.14941317

>>14941303
Paul thought Roman laws were Abrahamic laws and thought Hagar was a concubine when she was a wife

>> No.14941327

>>14941146
So what? Paul makes some honest mistakes in his letters. Reminder that he didn't actually intend them to become part of any 'divine text' but was merely writing to his brothers and sisters in Christ, advising them as a teacher. Most of his work shows a great familiarity with the Judaic traditions and scriptures and, aside from a few mistakes, he was mostly correct in what he said.

>> No.14941341

>>14941317
That's actually a Muslim misinterpretation because all biblical information for the Qur'an comes from what Muhammad was able to gather up by eavesdropping Nestorian monks
Abraham did not marry her

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>>14941146
>Galatians 4
yeah i love those retro video games

>> No.14941413

>>14941341
Genesis 16:3

>> No.14941420

>>14941146
>In Jewish and Islamic concubinage, the son of a concubine is considered family.

He's not arguing about inheritance laws or juridical definitions, you are missing the point entirely. It's correct to call Hagar a servant or "slave" and her offspring as well, as a means of analogy (not to make a legal point) because Gal 4:30 quotes Gen 21:10 which does exactly that.

Paul is demonstrating by analogy that salvation is by faith and grace, like a free gift from God (i.e Sarah's miraculous pregnancy at 90 years old) and no longer 'earned' by the workings of the flesh (like Hagar's pregnancy which was natural and under the symbol of slavery).
He's illustrating the power of the new covenant, a promise that sets one free, and how those who are stuck under burden of the old law (muslims/jews/etc) will harass Christians, who are children of the correct path, like how Ishmael harassed Isaac.

Which is exactly what muslims are doing, ironically. (" At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.")

>> No.14941469

>>14941146
It's impossible for a Muslim to be anti-semitic. Anti-semitism requires power/privilege and Muslims don't have power/privilege. Only white gentiles can be anti-semitic. Also we have to remember that Jews are white presenting meaning that they have some privilege.

>> No.14941533

>>14941469
>Anti-semitism requires power/privilege
That argument only works for racism and sexism, not for anti-semitism and you very well know why.

>> No.14941607

>>14941269
He was not, stop making every prophet a Muslim, that is bullshit.

>> No.14941623

>>14941269
Abraham died long before Islam ever existed. You might as well be claiming he was a Scientologist.

>> No.14941642

>>14941533
>That argument only works for racism and sexism
It doesn't work for them either.

>> No.14941655

>>14941607
>>14941623
all prophet was a muslim though. Keep sucking satan's dick, kaffirs

>> No.14941669

>>14941655
>all prophet was a muslim
if you mean they all submitted to God yes, if you mean they followed 300,000 hadiths, killed apostates and banned music, no not really.

>> No.14941677

>>14941356
Underated

>> No.14941695

>>14941655
biggest retcon in history

>> No.14941702

>>14941623
Abraham is a mythological figure.

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>>14941420
Savage.

>> No.14942258

>>14941607
What was his religion?

>> No.14942272

>>14941420
>like how Ishmael harassed Isaac.
Do Christians read the Bible?

>> No.14942343

>>14941420
beautifully put. Exegesis >>>>>>>>> tafsir

>>14941655
AYO HOL UP

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>>14941420
>and her offspring as well, as a means of analogy

How is that an analogy? Lol. She ceased to be a slave when she married. Ishmael was the firstborn of Abraham, that's why Sarai wanted him gone. Saying "analogy" makes zero sense here unless by analogy you mean falsehood. I know Christians like to use "it's a metaphor" a lot but it just does not work here. At all.

>> No.14942596

>>14942378
>Which things are an allegory

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>>14941469
>Anti-semitism requires power/privilege and Muslims don't have power/privilege.
What fucking planet are you on? There are only a handful of religions that came claim to have had actual imperialist power, and Islam was one of the first and biggest and still does it to this day.

>> No.14943120

>>14942596
An allegory has to be analogous. Something being not the case isn't enough to make it an allegory

>> No.14943211

>>14943120
He says that the Jews are like Hagar's children and Christians are like Sarah's children. This makes it double ultra clear that Paul is speaking figuratively (aside from the part where he says, NIV, "These things are being taken figuratively") because, literally, the Hebrews are descended from Sarah.

>> No.14943248

>Imagine God speaks a flawed language, especially one as ugly as arabic.

>> No.14943253

>>14942832
Pretty sure>>14941469 is bait.

>> No.14943631

>>14943211
Hagar's children aren't slaves

>> No.14944269

>>14943253
You will come across that exact sentiment as not bait an awful lot out in the world.
https://youtu.be/NuwtmlGFdic?t=165

Just to point out there that the Balkans was under Muslim *imperialist* (this is an important distinction as I'm not suggesting being a Muslim in the Balkans is illegtimate) oppression for a very long time, and that Hassan is from a very high level of privilege (this is his school https://www.mtsn.org.uk/admissions/fees/).).

Anyway, so many idiots take this opinion. It's classic last man strategies.