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What books can I read if I want a better understanding of classical music and jazz to where the point where I can talk more than a few sentences about what sounds good to my ear?

>> No.14923015

>>14923005
Adorno

>> No.14923017

>>14923005

bump for interest, particularly in jazz

>> No.14923018

Read reviews of modern classical music.

>> No.14923021

>>14923005
i have no idea: but my pseud opinion is to know elements of music theory and history,

>> No.14923028

Talking intelligently about music has nothing to do with understanding music. If you read contemporary book on music you'll see the authors are just very good at articulating and embellishing simple ideas with ornate writing. They listen to a piece and then describe it with analogies and metaphors and try to capture its essence in written form, but there's no real analysis.

>> No.14923040

>>14923028
>but there's no real analysis.
What is real analysis?

>> No.14923052

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musicology

>> No.14923054

>>14923040
Breaking apart.

>> No.14923059

>>14923054
what

>> No.14923073

>>14923059
Real analysis is the breaking apart the thing you have under your hand.

>> No.14923150

>>14923005
learn music theory

>> No.14923831

In general, classical and baroque music are concerned with motific development and form (sonata, theme and variations, fugue, etc.). Romantic and impressionitic composers care less about form and instead focus on the emotions and images that music can create. I don't play any jazz, sadly, but it seems to be a collision of flolkish music and art music, it's the most 'rigid' in terms of structure, jazz standards are typically just a series of chords that are repeated for a number of bars, but because of the focus on improvisation that rigidity becomes a canvas for the performer to improvise over.
Of course these are all just generalizations and you can find exceptions and intersections to every rule. Music theory is a massive topic, and I'm not sure why a layperson would be to worried about exactly what they're hearing. A basic knowledge of music theory will make you appreciate music less then someone with no knowledge. Amd don't be one of those fags who try to solve music.

>> No.14923850

>>14923005
Learn to play an instrument. Learn music theory. You can't understand everything by reading.

>> No.14923861

>>14923850
This

>> No.14923992

There's an audiobook on this from great courses that'll give you all the tools you need to talk about music for hours though I'm not sure how good it actually is besides that

>> No.14924596

>>14923850
/thread
You learn about music with your hands and ears, not your eyes or brain.

>> No.14924777

>>14923005
>>14923017
Sorry, but if you want to know about music beyond what pseuds have to say, you have to learn an instrument, and the theory that comes with it.
It's like asking
>what can I read if I want to understand maths
The only legitimate answer is to learn maths, not read some intellectual masturbation about it.
Unless you actually become a musician, it will be pretty much impossible for you to have a genuine understanding of the complexities of what is going on in a piece and why.
Schopenhauer played the flute, so his writings on music actually have legitimacy, because he was a musician.
Any musician listening to a non-musician babble on about something they have no idea about is extremely fucking annoying and cringe-worthy.
It's the equivalent of reading redditors jabber on about about shit they're clueless about.
t. have played piano and classical guitar since I was ~7 and ~9 respectively

>> No.14924789

>>14923005
Actual recommendation: What to Listen For in Music by Aaron Copland.

>> No.14924795

You'll sound like a knob talking about music theory and relating it to what 'sounds good'

>> No.14925753

Any music theory charts?

>> No.14925823
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14925823

>jazz
How can this still happen?

>> No.14925878

I think the only way to understand music is to play it. Even if you're on a serious budget you can pick up a cheap kalimba or ukulele. Just play something.

>> No.14925921

>jazz
what's the appeal of the nigger swing

>> No.14925969

>>14924596
what if it's a painting?

>> No.14925983

>>14924777
If I said Beethoven was masculine would you die?

>> No.14926220

>>14923005
Are there any books on the metaphysics of classical music? Something like Spengler.

>> No.14926236

>>14926220
Schopenhauer

>> No.14926241

>>14926236
Is that in The World as Will and Representation? I've only read his dissertation so far.

>> No.14926265

>>14926241
It is. He talks at length about music in his aesthetics and the major 19th and 20th century composers loved his account of it.

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14926649

>>14925969
>what if music is a painting

>> No.14926654

Any music theory textbook.