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Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:31:29 2020 No.14921055 [Reply] [Original]

Hey /lit/ I'd like to begin reading on Christian philosophy, theology and history, where are some good beginning points?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:32:14 2020 No.14921057 >>14921055 For what purpose?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:33:17 2020 No.14921062 >>14921055 The bible

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:36:17 2020 No.14921082 >>14921055 The Bible The the early Church fathers Then jump ahead to the catechism Then back to the post-nicene fathers Then forward again to Aquinas

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:41:10 2020 No.14921105 File: 2.65 MB, 642x800, 1583680823859.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14921055 Mathew, Greek philosophy, Augustine, Thomas a Kempis, Aquinas, Pascal, T.S. Elliot, Wagner essays, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:42:10 2020 No.14921109 >>14921055 Plato 10 dialogues are enough

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:43:51 2020 No.14921119 >>14921055 Plato -> St. Augustine or Aristotle -> St. Aquinas or The Bible

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:45:40 2020 No.14921125 >>14921055 everybody poops

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:45:52 2020 No.14921126 Mere Christianity by CS Lewis is imho the best starting place. The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence is personal fave: short, easy to read and very very good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:48:10 2020 No.14921135 Platonism - Church Fathers - Bible you can supplement with the egyptians and greek mystery cults repeat fuck aristotle and thomism

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:50:07 2020 No.14921146 >>14921135 No, you should still read Aristotle & Thomism - so you understand why they were wrong even more deeply.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:52:25 2020 No.14921153 File: 112 KB, 1024x677, pope-francis-washes-the-foot-of-a-man-during-the-foot-washing-ritual-at-the-castelnuovo-di-porto-refugees-center.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14921055 The Book of Sanctus Cuckoldus

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 22:54:09 2020 No.14921159

>>14921057
To obtain a better understanding of the religion as a whole I suppose, I believe the general concept that the majority of the population hold in the West about Christianity is that Christ toured about for a bit on his donkey, healed people then later died on the cross. I want to learn a deeper level of the whole dogma and convictions people had to write such things about God and Jesus.

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:01:51 2020 No.14921189
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>>14921055
From Wittgestein culture and value

>>What inclines even me to believe in Christ's resurrection? I play as it were with the thought.--If he did not rise from the dead, then he decomposed in the grave like every human being. He is dead & decomposed. In that case he is a teacher, like any other & can no longer help; & we are once more orphaned & alone. And have to make do with wisdom & speculation. It is as though we are in a hell, where we can only†a dream & are shut out from heaven, roofed in as it were. But if I am to be REALLY redeemed,--I need certainty--not wisdom, dreams, speculation--and this certainty is faith. And faith is faith in what my heart, my soul, needs, not my speculative intellect. For my soul, with its passions, as it were with its flesh & blood, must be redeemed, not my abstract mind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:02:57 2020 No.14921193 >>14921159 Godspeed, Anon. Educating myself about Christianity has been a remarkable, remarkable journey for me.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:09:40 2020 No.14921217 >>14921193 Thank you for the encouragement Anon, godspeed to you too.

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Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:17:49 2020 No.14921235

>>14921055
The Bible

St Augustine - Confessions, City of God, Cassiciacum Dialogues

St Basil - Hexaemeron, On the Holy Spirit, On the Human Condition

St John of Damascus - Fount of Wisdom

St Thomas Aquinas - Summa Theologica

Duns Scotus - Philosophical Writings

John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion

Martin Luther - On the Jews and their Lies, 95 Theses

Seraphim Rose - Nihilism, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future

Hardly exhaustive but these will get you a pretty good picture of different strands of Christian thought and philosophy. If you really want to go hardcore you can get the set in pic related which contains ALL the writings of the Early Fathers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:18:51 2020 No.14921238 File: 34 KB, 640x176, IMG_0592-744012.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14921235 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:21:56 2020 No.14921244 >>14921238 What is it called? Can I find it on the internet(pirate)?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:24:48 2020 No.14921252 File: 126 KB, 640x902, 1507670223709.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14921105 Imagine spending your whole life in a town like this

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:25:43 2020 No.14921258 >>14921244 You can read it here: https://ccel.org/fathers

Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:42:04 2020 No.14921313

>the fathers
>the fathers
>the fathers
The fathers are about useless. They hardly agree on anything.
The only ones of any significant value are Augustine and Chrysostom.
Read Chrysostom's homilies on whatever interests you.
Read Confessions and City of God.
Read On the Incarnation by Athanasius if it pleases you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 20 23:58:46 2020 No.14921378 >>14921055 Tolstoy - The Gospel in Brief

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 00:11:14 2020 No.14921408
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>>14921055
>Christian history

Church History in Plain Language - Bruce Shelley
The Story of Christianity - Justo González
Turning Points: Decisive Moments in the History of Christianity - Mark Noll

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 00:14:04 2020 No.14921422 How does Paul Tillich fare as a Christian philosopher?

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 01:39:39 2020 No.14921645
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>>14921055
>theology

The Story of Christian Theology: Twenty Centuries of Tradition Reform - Roger Olson
Foundations of the Christian Faith: A Comprehensive & Readable Theology - James Montgomery Boice

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 04:15:10 2020 No.14922046
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>>14921055
>Christian philosophy
>where are some good beginning points
John Frame's A History of Western Philosophy and Theology

I’ve yet to completed this book, but so far based on what I’ve read I’m glad to say this book is a book that any beginners in philosophy can use. Frame takes the readers through the various philosophies and philosophers of the different ages. He explores what they teach and more importantly, examines what the bible has to say about their philosophies. The first chapter by frame is excellent and ought to be a required reading for any christian taking philosophy. He examines and defines the terms he will use within the book, and introduces the distinctive presuppositional apologetics perspective to the readers. He explains to the readers that different between the christian and non-christian understanding of philosophies.

Having done that, Frame then guides the readers along starting with the Greek philosophy. What i found extremely helpful was how Frame covers some philosophers that are not often covered in other textbooks. This includes the early church fathers and the recent christian philosophers. Being a christian philosophy book, Frame certainly focuses on the Christian philosophers. But Frame also interacts with the big guns of philosophy, such as Descartes, Kant, Nietzsche and Wittgenstein.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:35:59 2020 No.14922559 >>14921055 the apocryphon of John

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 08:35:40 2020 No.14922721 File: 3.80 MB, 224x224, 1581146974697.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14921313 >The fathers are about useless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 09:05:56 2020 No.14922801 File: 56 KB, 509x339, 1579061242025.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14922046 >profane Descartes, profane Kant, profane Nietzsche and profane Wittgenstein. >big guns of philosophy OH NO NO NO NO NO

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:15:35 2020 No.14923002

>>14921055
Mere Christianity is pretty good good
Screwtape Letters is good as fiction
Church Fathers, Aquinas, etc

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>>14921235
All good

Philokalia is pretty cool, too.

Otherwise, you can look at many apologists for an overview: William Lane Craig, Paul Copan, John C. Lennox, CS Lewis, Keith Ward, Alvin Plantinga.

An under-appreciated guy, but not bad, is Chad Meister. Love his name too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:16:08 2020 No.14923007 >>14921055 just read the orthodox approved stuff, please don't fall for the catholic or protestant memes. but Augustine is aight for a white boy

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 10:16:39 2020 No.14923009 >>14923002 I have no idea why I used Reddit spacing

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