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Where did his philosophy go so wrong?

>> No.14897557

Buddhism eats the bread crumbs off the table of Hinduism

>> No.14897572

>>14897551
>Buddhism
>philosophy

looks like you fell for the mahayana meme

>> No.14897584

>>14897557

Buddhism is minimalist Hinduism, they're both the same essentially

>> No.14897586

>>14897557
and still buddhism is okay but hinduism is hungry

>> No.14897883

>>14897551
He tried to point the way to the Supreme Self of the Upanishads using apophatic negation but was too autistic about enforcing his apophatism when speaking to the point of causing almost all Buddhists and later Buddhism schools to make the mistake of thinking that he taught a non-existent doctrine of 'no-self'

>> No.14897905

>>14897557
Buddhism doesn't ask for more.

>> No.14897938

>>14897557
>>14897584
>>14897586
An early form of Hinduism was the religion of the Buddha and his original followers, Buddhism was supposed to be a new practice, but it later spread to people who followed other traditions.

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>>14897551
>Where did his philosophy go so wrong?
No distinction between ascetics and laypeople. Trying to get the entire population to adopt the same ascetic vows as the monks(only fewer of them) is what made the entire religion absolutely cringe.

Now you have monks telling laymen that they have to be celibate to advance spiritually. Now you have the creation of Buddhist classes of people that are even lower than untouchables in India such as the Burakumin in Japan just because people need to fucking eat buuuuuut making the food is absolutely haram because muh first precept.

Even Jainism is less retarded when it comes to this.

Maybe we would be mocking Pythagoreanism now too if he had turned it into an actual mass converting religion as opposed to a philosophical school.

>> No.14898161

>>14897551
by becoming a religion even tho original buddhism cannot be followed by a society else it will collapse

>> No.14898222

>>14897551
Anatman (anatta) and nirishvaravada.

>> No.14898272

>>14897586
Wow, based

>> No.14898279

>>14898161
That's one of its strongest qualities

>> No.14898941

>>14897557
False. Reincarnation is about the only similarity.

>> No.14898953

>>14897948
That's only because Zen and theravada in particular are retarded.

>> No.14898968

>>14897551
Oh no OP, it seems you've made an error. You see, your post is all wrong. You're supposed to tell us where you think Buddhism went wrong, and then we're supposed to answer. As a result, your thread is irredeemable garbage, but if you try again in a few days, then it might actually be good, assuming you manage to ask an intelligent question that time.
Love and peace,
OP eats a million dicks

>> No.14898978

>>14898968
He has no point. He's an angry Guenonian impotently flailing about.

>> No.14899013

>>14898161
Society should collapse.

>> No.14899023

>>14897883
Anatta always seemed like an acknowledgement that Atman = Brahman to me. The distinction appears to be semantics, but I'll admit I could be wrong.

>> No.14899186

>>14898953
I don't see Zen applying to what I just said though. Theravada? Definitely. But Zen seems to have gone beyond these things in many ways probably because of Taoist and Confucian influence. Even the Zen monks marry and have children.

>> No.14899242

>>14897551
The demonization of desire and the celebration of passivity. It's even more of an anti-life and world-hating religion than Christianity.

>> No.14899307

>>14897551
At the time of it's original cultivation, it was great, people heard what they needed to and for every, well, lecture given by the Buddha everyone learned something different based on their lives. I think that, like one anon said, there could have been better distinction of laypeople/monks.

Also the fact it spread so much meant that different cultures and previous religions mixed in which helped it stray further from the path to objectivity. In reality, I think the idea of reincarnation shouldn't have been emphasized (which the Buddha himself is written to have said") and it should have been more focused on meditation.

>> No.14899710

>>14899242
Desire only leads to suffering.

>> No.14899832

>>14899710
desire is a productive force

>> No.14899842

>>14899832
Failure to satiate desire causes suffering.

>> No.14899851

>>14899842
Imbibing desire also causes suffering because pleasure is temporary and the desire returns eventually.

>> No.14901015

>>14899307
>At the time of it's original cultivation, it was great
>trust me guys, I was there

>> No.14901087

>>14897551
>The son of the richest king lives in a palace up until 30 years of age, at which time he decides to almost starve himself to death after seeing an old man and a sick man and some other mundane shit everyone experiences daily.

>He sits under a tree and concludes everyone can overcome suffering by not desiring things, even though every single step of his way to this realization was him being driven by his desire to escape the unavoidable degeneration and death.

Why don't you find the son of some millionaire in 2020 who went on a spiritual soul finding trip after his 30th birthday on a mansion. I'm sure his views on life must be equally valid.

>> No.14901090

Karma = magic = not real. It's the same thing with the Bible (or "Babble," as I like to call it).

>> No.14901094

>>14899242
Nietzsche in the house

>> No.14901099

>>14899242
It "demonizes" desire without meaning, if what you desire has a meaning you will eventually meet it along the way.

>implying your actions meet your words, which meet your thoughts, wich meets your desire

>> No.14901107

>>14899832

It might be useful to distinguish between a desire to beat your meat to cuckold porn and a desire to truly know yourself and fulfill your life's purpose.

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>>14897883
>He tried to point the way to the Supreme Self of the Upanishads
cringe...

>> No.14901123

>>14897551
Desire is not something you can control. Buddhism expects biological meat machines to have super human properties.
Meditation, awareness can ease suffering, but can't make you become impervious to it.
If someone pokes with you with a sharp stick it will hurt you, and you will try to avoid it. You can spend years of your life numbing yourself to this, telling yourself mental games about how you're just desiring for an unreasonable "pain free" life, how you should just accept things, but if the stick is sharp enough, and the poking is strong enough, your body will move away from it.

You are a biological machine. Whether you believe in dualism or monism, it's irrelevant. There are limits to your physical body. Escaping desire is a stupid notion.

>> No.14901149

>>14899242
why do hedonists crave desire so much?

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14901244

>Non-Self
Do you think the reason why NPCs identify so much with Buddhism is that they actually don’t have a self?

>> No.14901254

>>14901149
>not a prude = hedonist
kek

>> No.14901262

>>14901244
absolutely

>> No.14901267

>>14897883
Wrong.
Buddha denied all doctrines relating directly to substantial self, He included annihilationism because it was still circling around a self.

>> No.14901269

>>14901123
It's not about controlling desire, but changing your relationship to it. Imagine your desires are a movie being projected on a screen. Most people think they are the screen, but they're actually in the audience watching the movie unfold. Your desires will always be there. In Advaita Vedanta, one is taught:

> You are not the body, nor is the body yours, nor are you the doer of actions or the reaper of their consequences. You are eternally pure consciousness, the witness, in need of nothing — so live happily.

Which is fascinating because it is in line with claiming the body is a biological machine. It really is! It has a will of its own, the body is the doer of actions amd reaper of their consequences. Yet, who is the one that perceives the signals from the body?

>> No.14901273

>>14899242
Not true. You're confusing desire with craving/attachment, which is something else entirely.

>> No.14901302

>>14901269
Looks like Cartesianism

>> No.14901446

>>14897883
>the Supreme Self of the Upanishads
No such thing. Which is why Advaita only appeared like 1200 years after the Buddha and it is a minority understanding of the Upanishads.

If anything the Buddha gave Indians the doctrine of the Supreme Self and now 2500 years later poos think its theirs.
>be Buddha
>point out that the Hindu doctrine of a personal possessive Atman à la borderline Abrahamic is stupid and cringe
>hindus: n-no you...
>*2500 years later*
>hindus: we made this and the Buddha is stupid to deny the Atman

>> No.14901990

>>14901087
The historical buddha was a warlord general with over 12 years of combat experience he personally slay more innocents than you'll ever hear about

>> No.14902004

>>14901087
So Buddha was literally a rich kid turned hippie. Lmao.

>> No.14902010 [DELETED] 

>>14902004
>rich kid turned hippie
I know quite a few and let me tell you. They are the worse.

>> No.14902016

>>14902004
Buddha was literally a general of the warrior class
Why people on /lit/ don't read? At least the things they're commenting

>> No.14902038

>>14902016
Post proof

>> No.14902105

To desire or not is to miss the idea. Neither has meaning. If you see that and still live then you may be on the way to understanding. Buddhism doesn't gift some moral path to salvation or a way of life. It simply reduces bias in thinking.

>> No.14902158

>>14902105
Cool personal philosophy bro. You should start your own religion. Buddhism on the other hand definitely teaches the cessation of desire.

>> No.14902192

>>14899242
simp

>> No.14902199

>>14902158
That may be a way to understand the idea by those trapped in "desire". Have you spoken to any monks?

>> No.14902203

>>14902158
Well if we're being pedantic it's clinging/attachment to desire moreso than desire itself

>> No.14902280

>>14899023
it may seem obvious in retrospect but just about every important early Buddhist philosopher and the founders of the early Buddhism schools with very few exception all falsely believed that he taught a "no-self" doctrine. The first exception to this is Asanga, and then some of the various Mahayana Sutras also talk about this and then later one there are a few Vajrayana and Chan thinkers who have similar positions.
>>14901267
>Buddha denied all doctrines relating directly to substantial self,
Buddha never actually properly describes and thus never actually denies the teachings of the Upanishads in the Pali Canon. In any case the transcendental Supreme Self of the Upanishads has nothing to do with the self that the Buddha talks about. In every single instance of the Buddha using "self" in the Pali Canon, none of them describe things which are the Supreme Self, which is not a substance; but he only uses them with reference to things like the mind and ears, body etc which Vedanta agrees are not the Supreme Self
>>14901446
>No such thing.
That's incorrect anon, the teaching of the Supreme Self is found in the earliest Upanishads which predate Buddhism by several hundred years such as the Brihadanaranyaka and Chandogya Upanishads.

For example it's mentioned in this Chandogya verse 6.15.2.

"Then when his speech merges into his mind, his mind into prāṇa, his prāṇa into the heat in his body, and the heat into the Supreme Self, he no longer knows them."

Buddha never actually attacked or offered any refutation of any of the Upanishads which had already been circulating around India for several hundred years before him. Buddhists invented a mythos which they find comforting about Buddha defeating the ideas of Hinduism in debate but Buddha never actually addressed the ideas that would soon come to form the very center of Hindu thought. In fact in the one Sutta in the whole Pali Canon in which one argue that something resembling an Upanishadic doctrine is the Brahma-nimantanika Sutta (MN 49) in which Brahma-Baka in a few brief sentences mentions the idea of the Absolute (as an intelligence or entity which is) constant, permanent, birthless and deathless; but here the Buddha funny enough despite his reputation among Buddhists doesn't actually offer any good arguments for why it's wrong but instead just has to rely on his display of magic superpowers instead to turn invisible in order to win the debate through a display of powers.

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN49.html

>> No.14902349

>>14901273
no desire = craving-clinging

>> No.14902378

>>14902280
Thanks for the quality post.

I think what Anon was saying is that the Advaita interpretation of the Upanishads only appeared in the historical scene after the Buddha. We know this because its main proponent Shankara was involved in polemics against Buddhists. Whether the authors of the early Upanishads themselves were sort of non dualists or whether they were thinking of something along the lines of qualified non dualism like Ramanuja’s, or some mystic union with a theistic deity like even some Christian mystics, that we don’t know.

>> No.14902549

>>14901087
>after seeing an old man and a sick man and some other mundane shit everyone experiences daily

The point of the story was that he was prevented from seeing this by the King so that he would get the false impression that life has no suffering or evils. Upon seeing this, he renounced his titles.

>> No.14902561

>>14901990
No, he wasn't. He was a prince who renounced the world. You are porbably thinking of muhammad or something.

>> No.14902588

>>14902378
>Whether the authors of the early Upanishads themselves were sort of non dualists or whether they were thinking of something along the lines of qualified non dualism like Ramanuja’s
This is true we cannot know this for sure but I myself am more convinced by the case for Shankara's interpretation being more accurate. Only Shankara wrote lengthy commentaries on the Upanishads where he explains word-for-word their meaning and where he explains how other interpretations are inconsistent with the texts or illogical. Ramanuja only wrote commentaries on the Brahma Sutras and Gita. The orientalists Paul Deussen and Max Muller both wrote that they considered the Upanishads to have a consistent Advaitic teaching to them as have some modern scholars.
>or some mystic union with a theistic deity like even some Christian mystics, that we don’t know.
The only way someone could think this was a possibility would be if they had not read the Upanishads very closely themselves as the Upanishads specifically rule out this possibility. Among other places this is discussed in the very first section of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad where it talks about how Prajapati (i.e. Brahmā) the world-creator despite his exalted existence is still subject to suffering and fear, and that souls can attain a temporary union with him but that there is a higher attainment connected with the Supreme Self which is moksha. When Buddha says in the Pali Canon that the attainment of union with Brahma was not the true attainment of the unborn and deathless he was discussing a concept which had already been taught a few centuries earlier in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.

>> No.14902624

>>14899832
Desire often causes destruction.

>> No.14902648

>>14899242
>wanting masters

>> No.14902662

>>14899832
>desire is a productive force
Of more desires

>> No.14902665

>>14901244
>cannot contribute anything besides the stalest most practiced rote 4chan memes
I think we know who the real NPC is here.

>> No.14902683

>>14902588
>it talks about how Prajapati (i.e. Brahmā) the world-creator despite his exalted existence is still subject to suffering and fear, and that souls can attain a temporary union with him but that there is a higher attainment connected with the Supreme Self which is moksha.
Aha! But then the vaishnavas come in and say that that Supreme Self is Vishnu and achieving Moksha is merely ascending to a higher heaven than the heaven of Brahma. On support of this they will cite the Kata Upanishad were it says that the beyond this is the highest abode of Vishnu.

>> No.14902688

>>14902683
>a higher heaven than the heaven of Brahma
Which has fountains and groves and heavenly music and all the same trappings of any theistic heaven, except this one is the final guys, we promise!

>> No.14902694

>>14901244
I think it's more active than that like a disciple in search of enlightenment wants to become and NPC. Also why mindfulness helps confused NPCs to cope. Then they can go back to being NPCs. Buddhism is kinda retarded like that.

>> No.14902703

>>14902688
>except this one is the final guys, we promise!
Then the devotees of Krishna come and say that there is a heaven even higher than that of Vishnu, the heaven of Krishna! Then Shaivites, Shaktas do the same and what you have is a bizarre pile with each sect stacking their heaven on top of each other. That is Hinduism today.

>> No.14902762

>>14902561
He was the son of a warchief who held the title of commander of his republic belonging to the warrior class, and was trained in warfare since the age of 7
Myth =/= reality

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>>14902280
>Brahma-Baka

>> No.14902786

>>14902688
>fountains and groves and heavenly music
That's all poetic sentimental stuff to get the laypeople vaguely interesting and paying attention.

>> No.14902800

>>14902786
So they lie in their own religious texts and this is supposed to be okay?

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>>14902683
>Aha! But then the vaishnavas come in and say that that Supreme Self is Vishnu and achieving Moksha is merely ascending to a higher heaven than the heaven of Brahma. On support of this they will cite the Kata Upanishad were it says that the beyond this is the highest abode of Vishnu.
That citation doesn't stand up to scrutiny, in the Katha Upanishad in that passage it's not occurring in the context of any discussion of any sort of Vaishnavite-like or other typical devotional heaven but rather where that occurs in chapter one part three we find verses describing a liberation from worldly and conditioned existence. The verse they are citing is verse 1.3.9. of the Katha Upanishad:

'A man who has discrimination for his charioteer and holds the reins of the mind firmly, reaches the end of the road; and that is the supreme position of Vishnu.'

The chapter has 17 verses and is about liberation and what is needed to attain it, in verses 7 and 8 it describes discrimination, spiritual insight etc leading to one becoming freed from rebirth, and in verse 15 from the chapter describing the attaining of this highest achievement which the same chapter calls the supreme abode of Vishnu it says the following which doesn't resemble heaven:

Katha 1.3.15: 'Having realised Atman, which is soundless, intangible, formless, undecaying and likewise tasteless, eternal and odourless; having realised That which is without beginning and end, beyond the Great and unchanging−one is freed from the jaws of death.'

>> No.14902817

>>14902800
They depict their gods as blue people with elephant heads anyway. Its not much different. All religions have poetics and aesthetics, which I don't see as diminishing but rather aiding its spiritual significance.

>> No.14902827

>>14902801
>chapter one part three
part one chapter three I meant

>> No.14902852

>>14901244

>> No.14903047

>>14901269
>Which is fascinating because it is in line with claiming the body is a biological machine.
Sounds like a great religion for bugmen.

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>christianity: exists
>retards still pray to statues and try to kill their Self and become "God" while wallowing in their excrement
Why do people do this?

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>>14897551
>Where did his philosophy go so wrong?
He forgot Christ.

>>14903047
>>14903083
Based.

>> No.14903111

>>14897557
Based

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>>14899851
>>14899842
ending suffering is suffering. not suffering anymore is suffer too. lying to youself to that extreme dont convert it in a true.

>>14901269
>You are eternally pure consciousness, the witness, in need of nothing — so live happily.
thinking or feeling you are pure conscience can still be looking at the screen and thinking you are the screen. there is no escape one time you start with that metaphore.

>>14902105
>Buddhism doesn't gift some moral path to salvation or a way of life. It simply reduces bias in thinking.
reducing bias in thinking is still a proposition of how to think. somehow, its a way of life.

>> No.14903269

>>14903213
based

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>>14897557
>>14897572
>>14897584
>>14897586
>>14897883
>>14897938
>>14897948
>>14898222
>>14898968
>>14899023
>>14902280
>>14902588
>>14902801

>t. distinction is evil
Why though?

>> No.14903907

>>14903811
Two rhymes with Jew

>> No.14903929

>>14903811
poo nationalist propaganda
assimilate and destroy

>> No.14903944

>>14897551
Why do i feel like this is finally over but also not at all. Im confused, relieved and doubtful but not anxious anymore. Was this even real, wtf

>> No.14903987

>>14903944
Have you opened your Dhamma Eye? The rest of your worldview has to organize around it now, and it takes time.

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14904115

There isn't much wrong with Buddhism.
The biggest problem is the hippie type who think Buddhism is some atheist philosophy

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>>14903213
>ending suffering is suffering. not suffering anymore is suffer too. lying to youself to that extreme dont convert it in a true.

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>>14899023
>'Anatta always seemed like an acknowledgement that Atman = Brahman to me. The distinction appears to be semantics, but I'll admit I could be wrong.'
>Anatta literally transliterates to not-self
ok guenonfag

>> No.14904491

>>14904484
guenonfag looks like THAT?
based based based based!!!

>> No.14904583

>>14903811
cause (neo)-hinduism is protestant-tier cringe obsessed with suffering and emotionalism. it's just the truth. you need to learn to see it. they're all bugs.

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>>14902280
>Buddha never actually attacked or offered any refutation of any of the Upanishads which had already been circulating around India for several hundred years before him. Buddhists invented a mythos which they find comforting about Buddha defeating the ideas of Hinduism in debate but Buddha never actually addressed the ideas that would soon come to form the very center of Hindu thought. In fact in the one Sutta in the whole Pali Canon in which one argue that something resembling an Upanishadic doctrine is the Brahma-nimantanika Sutta (MN 49) in which Brahma-Baka in a few brief sentences mentions the idea of the Absolute (as an intelligence or entity which is) constant, permanent, birthless and deathless; but here the Buddha funny enough despite his reputation among Buddhists doesn't actually offer any good arguments for why it's wrong but instead just has to rely on his display of magic superpowers instead to turn invisible in order to win the debate through a display of powers.
That verse wasn't actually made to offer 'argumentation' (Buddha himself actually advised against being an autistic 'debate-bro' douchebag like Shankara), it was more allegorical which is funny coming from someone who's versed in the Upanishads, a text which makes the PC look like a science text book in comparison. Also quite funny you mention the mythos of Buddha defeating Hindus in debate when Hindus themselves absolutely love to gloat in their own texts that they LOGICALLY DESTROYED Buddhists in debate. In fact Advaitins to this day still maintain the idea that Shankara traveled throughout all of India and 'humiliated' all non-Advaitins to the point that they 'accepted Advaita' (despite being a minority position among Hindus even back then), they are proud of this unsubstantiated belief.

>> No.14904622

>>14897557
based. the push for buddhism needs to come to an end in the West. the Buddha's purpose was literally to track atheists, which is also why buddhism is so big right now in the West. start with a Gita, you will be thankful that you did. https://www.asitis.com/

>> No.14904633

>>14904622
>iskcon
cringe....

>> No.14904634

>>14899710
keep repeating that drivel you ideological mutt.

>> No.14904662

>>14904633
it's a good translation retard.

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Why do Hindus have an inferiority complex whenever Buddhism is brought up? Was it because the latter dominated the scene during India's formative years?

>> No.14904697

>>14904484
the end of suffering is a hope and a faith as believing jesus is the son of god. buddhism is a religion for a reason.

>> No.14904701

>>14904662
its cringe bro

>> No.14904715

>>14897572
???
Didn't Buddhism begin as pure philosophy, and was later made more mystical and religious in Mahayana?
I feel like you have it backwards but I'm also unsure of how you came to such a conclusion

>> No.14904721

>>14904335
the end of suffering is a hope and a faith as believing jesus is the son of god. buddhism is a religion for a reason.
>i fucked up, this was for (you)

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>>14904614
>'debate-bro' douchebag like Shankara
>LOGICALLY DESTROYED Buddhists in debate
>Shankara traveled throughout all of India and 'humiliated' all non-Advaitins to the point that they 'accepted Advaita'
Holy based...

>> No.14904729

>>14904715
No, it started with the Buddha. Also the entire idea of reincarnation has religious ideas like lower Hells in it.

>> No.14904747

>>14904715
>???
>actually posting like this.

How could it start out as a pure philosophy if Buddha talks about helping Gods escape samsara?

>> No.14904751

>>14904728
how is Advaita different from Hinduism

>> No.14904764

>>14904751
It wasn't different since Shankara ﷺ BTFOd and DUNKED ON all the heretical branches of Hinduism.

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>>14904747
>Buddha talks about helping Gods escape samsara
Lmao. I knew Eastern religions were larpy and fan-fiction tier, but I didn't know it was this bad. Sounds like a light novel plot.

>> No.14904777

>>14904764
so Advaita is the only orthodox hindusim which the rest are heresy?

>> No.14904791

>>14904777
pretty cringe isn't it?

>> No.14904804

>>14903811
They're too stupid/fallen to understand Trinitarian theology in any depth.

>> No.14904808

>>14904770
Buddhism is probably the tamest when it comes to fan-fic. Hinduism and Shenism (chinese folk) is far more LARPy.

>> No.14904842

all you niggers seem very miserable and love mental gymnastics. enjoy the rat race called human life

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>>14904770
>bible nigger calls other religions larpy and fafiction
LMAO

>> No.14904852

>>14897551
https://discord.gg/wqM6KqY
>>14897557
Thank you

>> No.14904878
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>>14904696
Pretty much. Buddhism basically refuted Vedism and molded modern Indian thought for generations to come. What we call Hinduism is basically a shadow of Buddhist practices and theory implanted onto ethnic Vedic rituals.

As they say, success breads jealousy.

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>>14904878
this

I'd also like to add to your argument the fact that hindu philosophers absolutely ripped Buddhist ideas and concepts after the muslim invaders forced Buddhism out of town, in order to appease the fan base who were already sympathetic to Buddhism and its auspicious philosophy.

>> No.14904928

>>14904878
Isn't it kind of anti-Buddhist? to build such large statues of the Buddha for worship when he didn't want to be seen as a deity? If I'm understanding correctly.

Not anti-Buddhist, per se, but not in line.

>> No.14904956

>>14904777
Yes and no, it's the most accurate reading of the scriptures but there are also multiple approaches to the same truth, some of the other schools of Hinduism end up talking about highly similar ideas from just a different perspective, and some of the Hindu scriptures themselves say that there exist multiple valid paths to God

>> No.14905018

Well, it goes against the gnostic perspective that there is an authentic self within one.

>> No.14905064

>>14904928
The statues symbolize the religion and philosophy not just the man himself.

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>>14904764
>It wasn't different since Shankara ﷺ BTFOd and DUNKED ON all the heretical branches of Hinduism.

It truly is a sublime experience reading him, his shining brilliance cuts through ignorance and falsehood like a blazing sword. Here in this picture is a classic BTFOing by him of some clueless Buddhist who argues for there being no self.

>> No.14905637

>>14904115
what do those chink signs say

>> No.14905656

>>14905070
reading Shankara is useless. it's thirdary sources on buddhist philosophy and that's not buddhism.

>> No.14905986

>>14905064
>The statues symbolize the religion and philosophy not just the man himself.
Still isn't that "Vanity of vanities? Like what catolicism does with their saints (a kind of hero worship in the best of the cases, idolatry in the worst. Thus this way contrariating the whole "spirit of the thing". (Not him by the way).

"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

>> No.14906113

>>14902280
OH MY GOD...THIS IS CRINGE!

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>>14902280
You advaita cultists are on the same tier as Hare Krishnafags. Stop spamming your neovedanta shit here.

>> No.14906232

>>14904696
Only autistic brahmins seethe on buddhism. Everyone else is proud of buddha and buddhism. Why would we hate our own golden moments?

>> No.14906441

>>14904804
>Trinitarian theology
plebian

>> No.14906603

>>14897551
When he borrowed intel from the hindu faggots.

>> No.14906698

>>14905986
Doesn't matter, they aren't christcucks

>> No.14906722

>>14897551
What is wrong with the Buddha's philosophy specifically?

>> No.14906736

>>14906722
It kills ya.

>> No.14906739

>>14902280
i love how poos still seethe from the buddhists

>> No.14906760

>>14897551
>Where did his philosophy go so wrong?
The moment he first saw a dead person.

>> No.14906873

>>14904956
>it's the most accurate reading of the scriptures

>> No.14906883

>>14906873
It is! According to a tiny minority of Hindus who are mostly westernized and live abroad, anyway!

Nearly every Hindu in India thinks Advaita is crypto-buddhism, which it is.

>> No.14906887

>>14897551
like most evil in this world, you can trace it back to 1960s california

>> No.14906900

>>14897551
Buddha wasn't white. Delete this racist fucking painting.

>> No.14906962

>>14906900
>scythians weren't white
Now who's the conspiracy theory nutjob?

>> No.14906970

>>14903987
What, time to adjust to people invading my privacy 24/7 through a vpn?

>> No.14906983

>>14906962
prove it

>> No.14907015

>>14906900
Buddha was a literal aryan with blue eyes and I'm a brown eyed med. Fuck off pajeet

>> No.14907021

>>14907015
Prove it

>> No.14907029

>>14906970
Im not an idiot, how is this supposed to help me/better me in any way. Throwing around references to things that happened months ago for either your own entertainment or to feel like youre punishing me. Yes i was a stuck up asshole feeling better than others when i got carried along, but a huge part of that was social isolation and internet addiction. I feel a lot better and haven't been depressed/anxious for over a week now. I just don't get why people still can't let this go. I wasnt lying when i said this traumatized me. I've never been as close to suicide as I was at the end of january. I was convinced everyone in my school/circle of friends knew about everything id been doing online for the last months and didnt want anything to do with me ever again. Took me considerable time to find out that wasn't the case and stop the constant barrage of images and messages i was regurgitating over and over. From the outside it might've looked like i was insane or not taking it seriously, but ive never felt worse in my life. Kind of ashamed to admit something like that could affect me this much, but it did and i never wanna experience anything like that again. Im still not sure how much of what i believe about the situation is actually real, but at least some of it has to be

>> No.14907504
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>>14907021
He was a Scythian you dumb nigger

>> No.14907807

>>14907504
prove it you dumb fucking cum skin cracker

>> No.14907811

>>14907029
No actually i dont care and all of it was just for attention, of course. I was aware at every moment that i was live somewhere and i liked feeling like there were people watching 24/7 of course, i dont give a damn about anyone's privacy and im laughing at my parents for being this dumb about not realizing the shit ive put them into. These pills dont do anything and i havent changed one bit, im a pedophile, sociopath, hate all women, and knew at every moment exactly what i was doing and who was posting. Thats what you wanna hear isnt it. Now back to laughing at me playing hearthstone, right? Haha

>> No.14907820

>>14907807
He was from the Saka tribe shit for brains. Anyone who is literate knows, I guess they don’t teach how to read in whatever ghetto you live

>> No.14907854

>>14907820
Link me up with some reputable sauce please

>> No.14907894

>>14897551

It didn't go wrong, it is only that many followers misinterpret his teaching and think Buddhism is a Schopenhauer-like philosophy.

>> No.14908231

>>14907894
Schopenhauer was influenced by Buddhist thought.

>> No.14908243

>>14905986
Okay but it's not worshipping him in the same way. Buddha never said "don't make an image of me." He wasn't Mohammed.

>> No.14908268

>>14907811
I think it would be funny to kill your fat lardass mom and tie her to the back of my Oldsmobile and drive her around town like in the second segment of "the House That Jack Built."

https://youtu.be/aHkb5tbk76w

I am basically Jack, Patrick Bateman and Mack Messer rolled into one.

>> No.14908588

>>14908268
the only thing i regret is ever finding this site. it sucks away any positive emotion you might've had until you're a depressed husk without any sense of humanity or morality. i hate you and pity you at the same time, can only hope it isn't as bad as i think it is and you're just bluffing. Feels disgusting just posting here.

>> No.14908610

>>14908588
You and your ilk are the ones who fired, antagonize, insult and mock me. I try to be nice and make things better but you just mock my love for J. I am not allowed to love anyone or be happy because of you shitheads. I wish I could teach you all what real pain is like. You haven't felt real suffering once in your entire worthless life and it should change.

>> No.14908621

>>14908588
I wish I could kidnap people like Rose and mutilate and torture them in a basement or something. Gary Heidnik and the toolbox killers knew how to treat shitheads like you.

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>>14907807
Enjoy pain.

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>>14907807

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVZB3zJ35I&

>> No.14908925

>>14908707
>an anglo fascist piece of shit telling the """aryan""" history of subcontinent
lol no thanks

>> No.14909153

>>14908588
Bring rose and a bunch of your friends to me. I want to kill them. Just get a bunch, it doesn't matter who.

>> No.14909714

>>14908925
big cope

>> No.14909725

>>14909714
>masters from YouTube University

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>>14909725
deal with it

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>>14909738
Based

>> No.14909909

>>14902762
source? Where can I read more about this?

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Why is Hinduism wrong?

>> No.14910382

>>14910280
>send loving kindness to yourself and others by using these phrases
Cringe

>> No.14910804

>>14909909
I’ve never heard that said

>> No.14910854

>>14910804
He trolling. He was a pampered prince, through no fault of his own though. His dad heard the prophecy that his son would be an emperor, but if he saw suffering he would renounce the world and become a Buddha. The old man did everything in his power so that our boy Siddhartha would become an emperor but alas, we know what happened.

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