Aristoteles

[Mickey Fuck No.14881225]

Tell me why he is ignored on /lit/.

Shouldn't he be a big hit with all the neo-Thomists and fans of theology/religion on this board?

[Mickey Fuck No.14881238]

>>14881225
He's also very based, see
>pic related

[Anonymous No.14881302]

>>14881225
Because we haven't finished the 2000 pages of Plato's dialogues along with the other 7,8 books for historical context of the pre-socratic and greek philosophers

[Anonymous No.14881498]

>>14881225
He is too close to reality. Many people read books as escapism and fantasy.

[Anonymous No.14881504]

>>14881225
He was a devout pagan and /lit/ hates larpers

[Mickey Fuck No.14881646]

>>14881498
This is a bit of an unbased opinion though, that I think has more to do with the general disinterest in Aristoteles and misunderstandings flowing from that. People will say things that sound nice, such as ''While Plato looked to the heavens, Aristotle looked down to earth'' without knowing what this means. Aristoteles used ontology, a study of being and ousia(what-a-thing-is)as a gateway to first causes and The first cause. As I said, he is the groundwork for most of Islamic and Christian theology, a great deal of modern philosophy and he categorically BTFO's atheists. What more incentive does an aspiring mystik need to read this guy? Wittgenstein is close to reality, Heidegger is close to reality so if you're saying that a philosopher generally gets valued in as far as they provide some sort of escapism sounds plausible but doesn't really bear on reality.

[Anonymous No.14881662]

Aristotle isn't canonical. He's but a springboard of reason, a tool of the Philosophers. And he was more often wrong than right.

[Anonymous No.14881698]

This is uncommon knowledge, but a lot of texts that the Scholastics were inspired by were actually neoplatonic texts that the Arab Neoplatonists had edited and given the authorship to Aristotle to protect the tradition.
It wasn't until the last two years of aquinas life, long after the majority of his books, that he learned that one of these works was an adaption of Proclus Elements of Theology; likewise Pseudo-Dionysius was thought to be genuine, if anything, this error is the greatest proof of the incorrectness of Christianity. With every ecumenical council and church father you became more and more platonic.

Scholasticism is bare bones Neoplatonism.

[Mickey Fuck No.14881761]

>>14881662
Elaborate on this senpai

[Mickey Fuck No.14881801]

>>14881698
>given the authorship to Aristotle to protect the tradition
Protect the tradition in what way and from what? Why would they do this? Because the neoplatonists held beliefs that would conflict with Islam/Christianity and Aristotle had always been more careful and thus could be adopted more easily? Sauce on this, please

[Anonymous No.14881820]

I stopped talking about him and Aquinas on here years ago because it seemed like nobody knew what the hell they were talking about. It's the same with the stoics. I get nothing out of trying to correct fedoras who aren't interested in being corrected.

[Anonymous No.14881832]

>>14881225
I think its two things.

1. Hes such a core component of Western process that we take him as a given.
2. Hes fucking long and boring. And it isnt the crazy word salad of someone like Hegel, who's very obtuseness gives him some level of interest, or the ideas being novel in and of themselves. No. Its dry, straight to the point, and formulaic. (Not saying it wasnt important or legitamently novel at the time, but from a modern perspective its like reading a tax record). At least in the Organon. I think thats why Ethics is more commonly discussed since its much more engaging.

[Mickey Fuck No.14881851]

>>14881832
Cool

[hungryman !!5BI0oSV9uvS No.14881860]

The last time I saw Aristotle being discussed on here was because someone posted a white nationalist excerpt about how Aristotle would've supported an ethnostate and the thread floated for days and very few people tried to debate it, which indicates to me that he's not taught to the extent of Plato and read personally even less.

I think he's a bit more difficult than Plato but Politics and Nichomachean Ethics are unbelievably solid philosophy books, as is Poetics. It definitely lacks the drama and fun of Plato, though.

>>14881832
I don't think he's long, his books are fairly short, I do agree you with the "dry" "formulaic" and "boring."

[Anonymous No.14881915]

>>14881860
Eh, might have exaggerated the "long" part, but it definitely FELT long. Especially when coming off of Plato with his convivial style.

Heck, Im not sure who wrote his stuff down, but im pretty sure Ethics is actually a compilation of notes from his lectures, So it being more engaging may be a byproduct of an editor.

Cant really blame the guy though. Having pages of
>"Some may be predicated (that is, said) of a subject, but are in no subject; as man may be predicated of James or John (one may say "John is a man"), but is not in any subject."

Allows future writers to not have to spell out how Subjects and predicates work. In a way, Aristotle carries most of the nitty gritty so that other writers can actual write without getting too bogged down.

[Anonymous No.14882217]

>>14881801
When the Neoplatonists were denied the right to teach they went to the middle east, some certainly to Harran where paganism still thrived. Eventually when Islam conquered Syria the Neoplatonists and hermeticists (same thing) who were in hiding took on the protected class of Sabians (since nobody knew who the fuck these were supposed to be), and reestablished the academy in Baghdad (circle of Al-Kindi eventually House of Wisdom). Although obviously less explicitly polytheistic, this began with Ammonius and Olympiodorus in Alexandria, the wholly "Neoplatonic" nature of many of "islamic" philosophers also proves how influenced they were, Al-Farabi even appears as someone displaced in time.
All this underground philosophy ended in both Harran and Baghdad thanks to the STUPID MONGOLIANS, this together with the sacking of Constantinople was the real root of the loss of so many ancient texts that Simplicius & Co had brought to the east.

[Anonymous No.14882773]

>>14881662
it's literally impossible for any philosopher to be more wrong than Plato

[Anonymous No.14883029]

>>14882773
Why

[Anonymous No.14883043]

>>14882773
You are wrong.

[Anonymous No.14883072]

>>14882217
According to Abu Yusuf Absha al-Qadi, Caliph al-Ma'mun of Baghdad in 830 CE stood with his army at the gates of Harran and questioned the Harranians about what protected religion they belonged to. As they were neither Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Magian, the caliph told them they were non-believers. He said they would have to become Muslims, or adherents of one of the other religions recognized by the Qur'an by the time he returned from his campaign against the Byzantines or he would kill them.[12] The Harranians consulted with a lawyer, who suggested that they find their answer in the Qur'an II.59, which said that Sabians were tolerated. It was unknown what the sacred text intended by "Sabian" and so they took the name.[13]
These newly dubbed Harranian Sabians acknowledged Hermes Trismegistus as their prophet and the Hermetica as their sacred text, being a group of Hermeticists. Validation of Hermes as a prophet comes from his identification as Idris (i.e. Enoch) in the Qur'an (19.57 and 21.85).

F for Fantastic. "We are Sabians, no really now, Hermes is Idris, just trust me dude".

[Anonymous No.14883126]

>>14882217
Cool fanfic

[Anonymous No.14883148]

His writing came to us incomplete and disorganized. A lot of his words were lost and rewritten in by other people. Metaphysics especially is spotty. Otherwise he mostly wrote on the natural sciences and a little bit on literature and politics. And a lot of his natural sciences are now seen as common sense or full of mistakes.

Plato has much more literary value and organized philosophical substance

[Anonymous No.14883197]

he's not enjoyable to read... that's it, that's the reason....

There is no invention or charm. There are profound insights in Aristotle but not worth unless you are studying philosophy or whatever

[Anonymous No.14883209]

>>14881225
Because we've already read Hume and Kant.

[Anonymous No.14883222]

>>14881698
Where can I read about this?

[Anonymous No.14883296]

>>14881698
aristotle and proclus and plotinus were all platonists

read lloyd gerson, who took plato studies as far as they can go

[Anonymous No.14883308]

What does he have like one incomplete lost work or something who cares what some phony has to say

[Anonymous No.14883309]

>>14881225
whats most interesting from him?
tried to read nichomichean ethics, it was ok, didnt finish though

[Anonymous No.14883333]

>>14881302
I am actually reading through all of plato right now.

[Anonymous No.14883348]

>>14881646
>Wittgenstein is close to reality, Heidegger is close to reality
if anything this proves his point since the only people on /lit/ who care about these two are memelords and nazi larpers, respectively

[Anonymous No.14883352]

>>14883309
De Anima, On Dreams, On Old Age, Ethics, Metaphysics, Physics, Organon, On Indivisible Lines, Politics and Poetics

[Anonymous No.14883419]

>>14883308
>What does he have like one incomplete lost work or something
He has dozens of complete works and is one of the founding figures of Western philosophy.

[Anonymous No.14883425]

>>14883308
>What does he have like one incomplete lost work or something
He has dozens of complete works and is one of the founding figures of Western philosophy.

[Anonymous No.14883431]

>>14883419
>>14883425
it said "posting error" the first time whoops

[Anonymous No.14883540]

>>14883126
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brethren_of_Purity

[Anonymous No.14883562]

>>14881302
Ahaha speak for yourself. Im a retard so over the past half year I have done exactly this. I have one more Plato dialogue and then the Laws before I am finally free, finally able to “get” Aristotle.

[Anonymous No.14883578]

>>14883126
it's neither speculation that the Harranians called themselves Sabians and that these "Sabians/Harranians" were the main philosophers of Islamic schools.
Nor is it speculation that most of the neoplatonists remained in the levant area after being allowed to return to the ERE after their exile in Persia.
Nor is it speculation that the Harranians were pagans well into the high middle ages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Battani
>al-Ḥarrānī aṣ-Ṣābiʾ

[Anonymous No.14883602]

>>14883578
>>14883126
>>14882217
https://www.academia.edu/17141871/Harran_Last_Refuge_of_Classical_Paganism
https://web.archive.org/web/20180127143214/http://abrahampath.org/path/harran/harran-sites/harran-university/