/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.14857083]

Comfy towns edition


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[Anonymous No.14857107]

Let's have a comfy thread bros.

[Anonymous No.14857108]

>>14857083
>Tigana
>Farseer Trilogy
>Memory, Sorrow and Thorn
What other books should I add to the /sffg/ approved NTR list?

[Anonymous No.14857111]

Can you write an appealing novel with no conflict?

[Anonymous No.14857115]

Requesting fantasy books about nubian women molesting European men.

[Anonymous No.14857118]

>>14857108
my diary desu

[Anonymous No.14857125]

>>14857111
Can you write an appealing novel at all?

[Anonymous No.14857130]

Fellow Elric reader, I have finished the saga yesterday. Are you done as well? What did you think of the last book and series overall?

[Anonymous No.14857131]

>>14857125
Yes, I just choose not to

[Anonymous No.14857134]

>>14857107
It doesn't get more comfy than Tolkien, right?

[Anonymous No.14857141]

>>14857083
Hey OP can you put the monthly read in the OP? Gideon the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir.

[Anonymous No.14857158]

>>14857141
Yeah sorry I forgot, I'll be sure to put it in the next thread if I'm the one to make it.

[Anonymous No.14857175]

>>14857130
Only partially an Elric reader here. I finished the first book and stopped halfway through "The Fortress of the Pearl" in order to finish the Second Apocalypse.
Will resume to finish Elric afterwards. If we're to have a comfy thread, we can't skip Elric.

[Anonymous No.14857176]

>>14857111
I don't think you can write a story without any conflict whatsoever, because then it's not a story. I mean, you could write a novel length of setting description technically, but that's not the same thing. Even if the entire thing is about some guy in a fantastical setting going fishing that still involves conflict.

[Anonymous No.14857211]

>>14857108
>Tigana
Never read this one.

>Farseer
MC gets cucked by his own father figure. Given who the author is I'm not surprised honestly.

>Memory Sorrow and Thorn
Protagonists's love interest gets seduced by some shady noble and lets him pound her also giving him her virginity in the process. She then proceeds to rub this fact in the protagonist's face as a way to have him hate her so he can move on because she doesn't feel worthy of him anymore. They end up together anyway and she becomes his Queen.

To save you all some time.

[Anonymous No.14857224]

>>14857175
Hi, I've been reading the saga with another anon, but after the first book we read The Sailor and the Seas of Fate. I think this was the 6 books original saga, but I'm not sure. Our order was, Elric of Melnibone - The Sailor and the Seas of Fate - The Weird of the White Wolf - The Vanishing Tower - The Bane of the Black Sword - Stormbringer.

[Anonymous No.14857242]

>>14857111
I think it could be done but it would be difficult. What's the premise?

[Anonymous No.14857259]

>>14857111
One could write a novel about wandering from the top of a mountain all the way through different land-forms and into the ocean. That would be comfy.
>>14857176
>some guy in a fantastical setting going fishing
I think I'd like to read something like that.

[Anonymous No.14857260]

>>14857224
I read somewhere that "The Fortress of the Pearl" is practically filler. But I still want to read anything Elric. How would you rate the series overall? I really liked the first book, I ended it in a single evening.

[Anonymous No.14857269]

>>14857175
>>14857260
It's the worst when "artists" fag up well known characters.

[Anonymous No.14857281]

>>14857269

[Anonymous No.14857303]

>>14857259
Even travelouges involve conflict, you just can't escape from it.

[Anonymous No.14857304]

>>14857175
>dark eyebrows
come on now

[Anonymous No.14857311]

Are there any /ssfg/ novels that feature /ss/?

[Anonymous No.14857335]

>>14857304
Eyebrows are usually darker in tone that hair on the scalp. Same with eyelashes and pubic hair.

[Anonymous No.14857349]

Are the Elric books actually any good or are they memes?

[Anonymous No.14857375]

>>14857303
>encounters a raging river
>and a bridge to cross it at the same time
Is this conflict?

[Anonymous No.14857376]

>>14857083
For a comfy thread I'd recommend the comfy Arcadia by Iain Pears.
I just read it and I think this book is great! Fantasy, sci-fi, satisfyingly made time travel, even a small murder mystery - this book has everything. And the main audiobook narrator is great too.

[Anonymous No.14857392]

>>14857111
Could someone? Yes
Could you? Probably not

[Anonymous No.14857401]

>>14857335
He's albino tho

[Anonymous No.14857468]

>>14857375
Yes, there is inherent conflict in crossing the raging river on the bridge. Will it hold? What does it mean to the character? He's clearly crossing the river for some reason, that holds conflict. Maybe he doesn't cross the bridge? That would be a twist. I mean, there's just endless conflict in that scene, most laying dormant admittedly, but it's there alright. Maybe it's thematic, man on the sturdy wooden bridge above the terrible chaos of the monstrous river that threatens to engulf him. Man versus nature, now that's a struggle. Even the act of lady Fortuna smiling upon the wanderer and providing him with the means to get to the other side is significant and meaningful, there was a brief time he thought he wouldn't be able to get over it but then there it was. Does this change the character, impact him? You could write an entire novel about this one scenario.

[Anonymous No.14857536]

>>14857260
It was alright. It's a fun read, I'd definitely recommend it to fans of S&S and dark fantasy. There's some problems with it, but I dont want to keep you away from reading it. It's worth it, even if only for Elric. It's also quite short, every book is under 200 pages I think.

[Anonymous No.14857553]

>>14857115
Still waiting for suggestions, I legit want to know.

[Anonymous No.14857629]

These threads only go quickly when there are spam fights and drama.

[Anonymous No.14857700]

>>14857108
Bakker's works
Trysmoon saga
Powder Mage starts with NTR

[Anonymous No.14857749]

>>14857311
I wish there were
City of Miracles was almost kinda halfway there
The main villain was a god who looked/had the mentality of a young boy and his main henchman was a woman who started following him because he reminded her of her dead brother, and there were a couple scenes where she almost acts like a mommy to him, but that was about it.

[Anonymous No.14857813]

>>14857281
That faggot looks like he gives blowjobs in the men's room on weekends.

[Anonymous No.14857817]

>>14857260
>"The Fortress of the Pearl" is practically filler
it is but it's great filler, it's pretty imaginative with the whole quest into the dream dimensions and the ending is kino.
it's also a crossover episode with a character from the Corum novels and Moorcock's waifu Una Persson.

[Anonymous No.14857835]

>>14857700
>Trysmoon saga
R-really? Thank goodness I haven't actually tried it yet, heard it was supposed to be good.

[Anonymous No.14857836]

>>14857349
Yes they are good. Ignore the nihilistic redditors with wicked sense of humor and start reading.
If you don't like it you can always drop it and go jerk off or something.

[Anonymous No.14857863]

>>14857836
I will give it a go then, I ask, because at times Moorcock appeared pretty reddity himself with his comments about Tolkien being a fascist (lol) and stuff. Doesn't mean he's a bad writer though and I do like S&S.

[Anonymous No.14857879]

This isn't actually Elric but it's a good picture

[Anonymous No.14857886]

>>14857817
I wonder how much it would cost to commission amano to do the artwork for the cover of my book and also the process of contacting her/him

[Anonymous No.14857887]

>>14857863
I can assure you that Moorcock's political idiocy did not spill over in his work, at least concerning Elric. Unlike Iain Banks.


>>14857879
I forgot how KSBD went to shit. And it was so promising.

[Anonymous No.14858183]

>>14857886
The cost might be managable, but the contacting part will be nigh impossible.

[Anonymous No.14858260]

So I don't normally ready haven't read harry potter since i was a kid and of mice and men in school

For some fucking reason i decided to start Sanderson Way of Kings and now im on Words of radiance so maybe 2000 pages now.
What actual good proper novels have I missed out on, feel like I wasted my time when I could've read several great books that add up to ~2000 pages by now but it's a sunk cost and im too deep into the universe

[Anonymous No.14858271]

>>14857835
he gets an even better girl in the end so it works out.

[Anonymous No.14858307]

>>14857111
Slice of life fantasy?

[Anonymous No.14858459]

>>14857349
I put off reading them for a long time because I expected them to be very dated, like Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, but in reality they hold up really well.

[Anonymous No.14858512]

>>14858459
What is dated about fafhrd and the grey mouser? I've always preferred them to elric, even though I love elric too.

[Anonymous No.14858515]

>>14858260
If you want some more modern Fantasy then try Powder Mage and its sequel trilogy, the Empire series by Brian Mclellan. The basic premise is that the Field Marshal Tamas starts a coup against a corrupt Monarchy with a literal divine mandate to set up the first Democracy in a setting heavily inspired by the French and American revolutions.
The Crimson Queen trilogy by Alec Hutson is good light reading if you want something a bit more Conanesque with spider gods, deep ones and remnants of extinct civilizations that farm humans as cattle.
The Curse of Chalion by Lois Mcmaster Bujold is great if you want a bit of classic Fantasy executed extremely well, the plot is in the title, the main character has to break the curse on the line of Chalion. This one stands out because it makes religion a big focus and treats it very seriously.

[Anonymous No.14858521]

>you will never be a tough, mysterious, self-sufficient badass travelling through a fantasy setting battling monsters and bedding beguiling women
what's the point

[Anonymous No.14858558]

>>14858512
the story structure of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser was very obviously written to be a serial, it's heavily episodic and because of that the characters are intentionally written to be basic and easy to grasp so they're not impenetrable to newer readers. Elric as a lead I found more enjoyable because his internal struggles are more important than the physical challenges of the plot, and they give continuity even when the different stories jump around in time.

[Anonymous No.14858699]

>>14858521
just play witcher 4 like everyone else

[Anonymous No.14858728]

>>14858521
>you will never be a weak, voluptuous, incompetent slut travelling through a fantasy setting getting raped by monsters and bedding beguiling witchers
How will I cope with this?

[Anonymous No.14858737]

>>14858728
Become a trap cosplayer

[Anonymous No.14858745]

>>14858699
sir, i want to live it

[Anonymous No.14858870]

>>14858745
not even Sapkowski gets to live it

[Anonymous No.14858880]

Not sure if this is /sffg/-relevant, but I'm catching up on Girl Genius and it's beginning to shock me just how many similarities I'm finding to Worm.

>in Worm, Tinkers are mad scientists whose inventions violate laws of physics. They gain the power to create these inventions during a traumatic moment called a Trigger Event. Under certain circumstances, extradimensional beings will couple with a Tinker causing a Second Trigger which increases their power exponentially.
>in Girl Genius, Sparks are mad scientists whose inventions violate laws of physics. They gain the power to create these inventions during a traumatic moment called a Breakthrough. Under certain circumstances, extradimensional beings will couple with a Spark causing a Second Breakthrough which increases their power exponentially.

[Anonymous No.14858887]

>>14858870
the human condition is such a pathetic fucking thing. make me superhuman

[Anonymous No.14858902]

This is going to be niche, but any fantasy recs that either have the protagonist succeed despite the hand they were dealt or be content and find happiness in spite of their fate?

[Anonymous No.14859031]

/sffg/, I just realized I've fucked up. I've got a character who I want to have a zuko-like redemption arc, but the issue is, I don't know how to make the readers – let alone the characters – get attached enough to him so that when he is begrudgingly is forced to betray them near the climax of the story they'll still side with him in the final battle

[Anonymous No.14859119]

>>14858902
>have the protagonist succeed despite the hand they were dealt
that sounds like the majority of fantasy

> or be content and find happiness in spite of their fate?
Timeline by Michael Crichton

[Anonymous No.14859187]

>>14858558
>the story structure of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser was very obviously written to be a serial, it's heavily episodic and because of that the characters are intentionally written to be basic and easy to grasp so they're not impenetrable to newer readers.
What makes that dated? I understand you don't like it.

[Anonymous No.14859262]

>>14859187
Standalone works that are meant to be read by themselves are a thing of the past. Current audiences want binge reading.

[Anonymous No.14859275]

So what are some decent fantasy books that aren't grand or epic and mostly just take place in a single town? Just some comfy small scale story.

[Anonymous No.14859281]

Why is fantasy so braindead compared to science fiction?
Serious question

Science fiction explores the nature of man, intelligence, being, sexuality, sociology, religion, politics, and real moral dilemmas.

Fantasy rarely has themes, and is instead about heroes vs dark lords, and the same, tired hero's journey. Once in a while, the authors spice it up by making everything grimdark or gray.

[Anonymous No.14859293]

>>14859281
Xianxia is usually pretty deep imo

[Anonymous No.14859339]

>>14859275
Gormenghast takes place in a castle.

[Anonymous No.14859368]

>>14859281
Science fiction only examines things from a materialist progressive perspective and there's much more to man and the world than that, some of which fantasy delves into. I would say that the opposite was true, that science fiction is very stupid compared to just about anything. It's stories about technological gimmicks or trite hot takes on social issues, politics and the future of man from authors who know very little about these things. It's all very surface level and doesn't dive into man in any meaningful sense. It's rather telling that science fiction barely produces characters, it's all about some idea that the autistic author obsess over, not an actual story.

[Anonymous No.14859384]

>>14859281
>>14859368
So what you're saying is genre fiction isn't generally meant to be super deep literature about the nature of mankind?
Well who could have guessed that.

[Anonymous No.14859430]

>>14857083
Reading Jules Verne is pretty comfy.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2488/2488-h/2488-h.htm

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8993/8993-h/8993-h.htm

[Anonymous No.14859474]

>>14859384
genre fiction is meant to entertain. If I wanted to learn, I'd read nonfiction. If I wanted someone to tell me what to think, I'd have a lobotomy and watch fox news.

the only reason I'd buy literary fiction is if my anus developed a superiority complex and decided it was too good for toilet paper

[Anonymous No.14859482]

>>14859474
>If I wanted someone to tell me what to think, I'd have a lobotomy and watch fox news
>muh fox

[Anonymous No.14859485]

>>14857111
The Japanese do it

[Anonymous No.14859497]

>>14859482
wow, a reposted image. you sure have a lot of original thoughts anon

[Anonymous No.14859508]

>>14859497
>original thoughts
>muh lobotomy and fox
I didn't know Stephen Colbert browsed /sffg/

[Anonymous No.14859514]

>>14859482
Fox is largely the same with the slight exception of Tucker though. All television is pure mindrot.
>>14859497
You're the one spouting old boring NPC programming. I didn't know they still made your model.

[Anonymous No.14859522]

>>14859485
Not novel length

[Anonymous No.14859524]

>>14859514
>Fox is largely the same with the slight exception of Tucker though
Yup, Tucker was the only one I watched but then I soured on him when he joined the "salary dispute" narrative for Jussie Smollet when Kamala's legislation was clearly the reason for the hoax

[Anonymous No.14859525]

>>14859485
Provide examples.

[Anonymous No.14859542]

>>14857311
this wont be /ssfg/ but it itched my craving

[Anonymous No.14859558]

>>14857111
Bare with me when I say this...BUT
Anime, asians and weebs are the place to go because their story structure is not the individual heros journey that requires conflict, but instead revolving around a group and a twist

[Anonymous No.14859582]

Does anyone know the name of the book where the protagonist is a holy skeleton in a holy undead empire? I've tried to searching these keywords but for the love of God I can't find it.

[Anonymous No.14859605]

>>14859275
Thieves World

[Anonymous No.14859609]

>>14857111
Depends on how you define "conflict".

[Anonymous No.14859662]

>>14859119
It would helped if I was clearer with what I was looking for. Being particular I'm looking for a fantasy equivalent of the Average Joe. Think of most side or minorcharacters, but the book is about them and their lives. I'll have to check Timeline out. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.14859695]

>>14859662
Yeah go hop on the Japanese slice of life train.

[Anonymous No.14859720]

>>14857115
>>14857553
Nothing? That's pretty problematic, if I can't find any then I will just have to start writing some stories myself.

[Anonymous No.14859851]

>>14859720
I hope you accomplish your dream.

[Anonymous No.14859908]

>>14859281
That's because you haven't read Wayne Barlowe shithead.

[Anonymous No.14859913]

>>14859720
Well, whenever Conan is South of Ophyr he does get on with darker skinned gals, but he'a never their plaything of course.

[Anonymous No.14859928]

>>14857083
Do we read Borges here?

[Anonymous No.14859947]

>>14857083
I just finished Voyage to Arcturus. It's hard to put into words just how bizzare the book is and how the ending fucks over everything you expected. As a philosophical study it's amazing. As /sffg/ it's weird and still holds up.

[Anonymous No.14859959]

>>14858260
Sunk cost fallacy. I dropped Samderson about 1/3 out of ghe 3rd book, Oathbringer. Doesn't mean I'll ever have to finish this shit even though I don't exactly hate it. It's just bland and formulaic and too base for my taste. I've since read way more and better novels and series.
May I suggest Dune?

[Anonymous No.14860066]

>>14859959
>better novels and series
Such as?

[Anonymous No.14860070]

>>14859720
First Law has a batshit darky in a weird relationship with the white barbarian.

[Anonymous No.14860073]

>book has a map
>somewhere on the map, usually in the south, there are some lands with Summer somewhere in the name
>they're never of any importance in any book ever, except maybe a few lines about the rich plentiful society there that's nonetheless ruled by charming cunning merchant kings
I'm getting real tired of this shitty ass trope. Authors fucking assume hot deserts have rich cities because our ancient world did (does) without knowing WHY those cities were rich. And the whole Summerlot Isles and whatever other shitty names they come up with just pisses me right off.

[Anonymous No.14860077]

>>14860066
Did you even read my post? I suggested a very good series attached to it. One of the best, most prolific in the genre, in fact.

[Anonymous No.14860113]

>this triggers the sojamänner

[Anonymous No.14860151]

>>14860113
Frazetta is fucking awesome but why did he pay so much attention to John Carter? The books themselves were shitty.

[Anonymous No.14860160]

>>14857211
Maybe I should finish MST after all. Given the character's personality no wonder he gets cucked

[Anonymous No.14860195]

>>14857211
>>14857108
>Farseer
Seriously? Dropped it on the last book, but it wouldn't fit with the tone of those novels.

[Anonymous No.14860315]

Alright. Which one of you faggots wrote this?

[Anonymous No.14860484]

>>14859695
Do you have any recs that stand out?

[Anonymous No.14860519]

>>14859485
>>14858307
SoLs have (literary) conflict, it's just very gentle conflict with low stakes. There are things characters want that they don't have and have to strive for. If you mean conflict as in hitting people, of course it's possible, that's the kind of story you tell in daily life.

the reason power fantasies turn people off, by the way, is the lack of conflict - there isn't anything the OPMC has to strive for, nothing he wants that he can't immediately get - less conflict there than in a Non Non Biyori episode even with the splatter. The people who get enjoyment out of power fantasies bring their own conflicts to them.

[Anonymous No.14860522]

>>14857115
The Expanse

[Anonymous No.14860529]

>>14858887
>Sapkowski looks like a grampa rancher instead of a twitchy chain-smoking gopnik
I didn't ask for this.

[Anonymous No.14860617]

>>14857111
Not quite, but you can change the nature of what the conflict is.
If you're after easy going /comfy/, then switching out battles for, say, conversations over tea is a viable option.
Back-and-forth transitions, obstacles, stakes, and whatnot are necessary to make a scene interesting. They just don't have to be grand or violent.
For example: A character trying to avoid being awkward whilst talking to a girl he likes can provide all sorts of interesting low level conflict, especially inner conflict.

Good dialogue, mystery, surprises, exploration (of both physical places and of ideas and concepts) and such can all take the place of conflict. Having characters discover things, having things turn out to be different from expected, having characters with conflicting opinions, all of these are perfectly great conflict types. So long as the scene is not the same as it was a few sentences ago, there is momentum in the story.

>>14859485
Not quite. All those SoLs and whatnot (the good ones at least) have very low level conflict, as written above.

[Anonymous No.14860656]

>>14859514
>All television is pure mindrot.
This. There are no "correct" teams when it comes to mainstream media. They're all pandering to a base on one side or the other.

[Anonymous No.14860659]

[Anonymous No.14860731]

>>14860529
none of us asked for this shit trap of a life, not even sapkowski

[Anonymous No.14860833]

>>14855440
Fuck E William Brown
His paypigs don't share shit. They don't even share the little update info he gives behind his paywall.
Daniel Black next book never.

[Anonymous No.14860844]

>>14860833
wasnt he working on space loli?

[Anonymous No.14860872]

>>14860070
She is Asian. You fucin pink.

[Anonymous No.14860938]

>>14860872
Not that guy but,Are you talking about the southern that fucks Ninefingers? She's black. I don't even think there's asians in that series.

[Anonymous No.14860963]

>>14860073
Unironically kys, you map autistic faggot.

[Anonymous No.14861045]

>>14860073
>anon fears the mediterranean man

[Anonymous No.14861256]

>>14860963
Fuck yourself, maps are always so fucking cringe.

[Anonymous No.14861497]

>>14861256
I know maps are cringe. That is why you are a faggot for wanting them and looking for them in your books. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.14861531]

>>14858260
I felt the same way about missing out on other books when I got back into reading "epic" fantasy. I would suggest that you ask yourself what you want to get out of your reading. Introspection is underrated.
>I could've read several great books that add up to ~2000 pages
You might want to consider that this really isn't that many books. You're not reading enough to have missed out on anything.

[Anonymous No.14861550]

>>14858521
Honestly, that sounds like a lot of work. I would rather just read about it and pretend it's fun.

[Anonymous No.14861575]

>>14859281
Well, science fiction is a subset of fantasy, so I don't really agree with your premise. I would also argue that more and more authors are blurring the line between the two.

[Anonymous No.14861584]

>>14859558
>Bare with me
The correct form is "bear" with me.

[Anonymous No.14861587]

>>14860151
You paint what you're paid to paint.

[Anonymous No.14861589]

Malazan chads report in

[Anonymous No.14861601]

>>14861584
Not so. Anon literally wants you to be naked with him.

[Anonymous No.14861623]

Hey guys, can you check out my worldbuilding and tell me if there is some stupid shit?

In the beginig there was chaos. From chaos emerged gods, each with desire to create. In era of first strife gods argued and beat shit out of each other trying to create something that they like. Eventualy one of them called other out and said that they had to work together to create something. Most of the gods agreed, but some disagreed. Those were exiled back into chaos. Gods created nature but were not satisfied with it. Then two exiled gods came back and gave them idea to create sentient races. They created Liho (fae realm) and sentient races including standard d&d realm. Then, after some time passed. Gods created prince dragons to monitor laws of physics. Prime dragons are eldritch abominations. One of the more relevant is the czayt (German for time). He controls time and prevents time travel. God that united everybody after everything was created descended into underworld and became keeper of afterlife. There was a necromancer crisis with left most of the kingdoms in ruins and left plenty of tombs and dungeons. Kingdoms sort of restored themselves and then exiled gods stricked back.

[Anonymous No.14861626]

>>14861623
There was a dig divine war and in the end of it gods accidentally the world. Meanwhile, in sci-fi realm sentient alien crystals attacked planet populated my creatures that are close enough to humans. They were really lazy and because of it humans managed to push back. Aliens panicked and used artifact that drifted from fantasy universe into sci-fi universe and accidentally the universe. After which, gods managed to fix these two universes by more or less merging two of them and transferring all the souls,.resulting universe became much more larger that fantasy ona and the process was inperfect so most of the gods left the world and began on fixing the universe for good. Some of the not-angels fell and were imprisoned alongside previously exiled gods. Most of the dragons left too except czayt and underworld one. Souuls of crystals became elfs, humans merged. Elfs later realised what happened, some of them became drow, some became high elfs some became human-like elfs some became wood elfs etc. Eventually some jackass got tierd of waiting for gods to go back and started to prepare a magical ritual to force them to go back.MC will have to stop him.

[Anonymous No.14861633]

>>14861626
Prime dragons are put in charge of maintaining the universe. They have servants: high dragons who are huge as mountains (some can shrink). After the world collision theywere mostly left to their own devices. Ascended dragons were created from high dragons after the world collision to help as workforce High dragons have servants in form of dragon lord, who are more traditionally sized dragons. They have servants in form of dragon knights, who are smaller but still big. Lesser dragons are approximately human sized. Kobolds are lesser of the dragons even if most are not consider them to be a proper dragon. After some other sentient is converted into kobold he lives, dies and reincarnates until he gains enough “levels” to merge with other “matured kobolds into a lesser dragon. Lesser dragon age much more slowly so they mostly manage to mature in one life cycle. Dragonknights and up cannot die from age at all. High dragons can be ascended to help prime dragons after the worlds collided, but they are monitored closly so that no retard could fuck up world restoration. Sadly some of the dragons gone mad with power and became semi-feral. They still can merge with other dragons, but to high up their ass to do that. They mostly eat other races to do that. Because no dragon can kill other dragon from dragonknights onwards they mostly help dragonhunters to take down maverick dragons.

[Anonymous No.14861634]

>>14861623
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.14861638]

>>14861633
Some of them are morally dubious and dragon can manage to talk them into being possessed and eventually merging. When a good dragon dies other dragon can lay an egg to reincarnate them. Its a very taxing process. Sometimes dragon can “downgrade” or even rare “upgrade”. If dragons don’t get reincarnated as dragons they mostly fall apart and reincarnate as other races, mostly kobbolds. Kobolds can have sex and procreate. Lesser dragons theoretically too, but they think it icky and they have no need for it. Dragonknights and onward they are all female, but only lay eggs for reincarnation. There are 3 types of dragons: air dragons (chinise), water dragons (leviathans) and earth dragons (western dragons). Prime dragons and ascended dragons transcend this.
>>14861634
>everything i don't like is reddit

[Anonymous No.14861644]

>>14861638
Most kingdoms are don’t go to war against each other after the invention of magical nukes and instead resort to cold war tactics. If they have to fight they mostly send some lesser royalty to fight each other with magical weapons and armor. Because armor is magical it’s mostly just boob armor or he-man armor with 99,9% of protection being applied from magic. Regular troops mostly serve as guards. There is also spies, counter-spies, assassins and other fun stuff.

Magic fills niche of technology, but it could not do long distance communications until very recently. There is technological kingdoms that uses bodies of those aliens to shield themselves from magic and it’s a mix of bad parts from north and south Korea with cyberpunk. They are very closed off and protect their secrets. Some say that they have their own magical facilities, other say that rival kingdoms found a way to bypass those crystals.

[Anonymous No.14861650]

>>14861584
>The correct form is "bear" with me.
Do you have a license for that bear? You know it's illegal to own one, right?

[Anonymous No.14861651]

>>14861638
>everything i don't like is reddit
This thread isn't for you. We get faggots like you all the time. If you want someone to read your god damn fanfic go to reddit because that's the only place you belong to.

[Anonymous No.14861678]

>>14861623
>>14861626
>>14861633
>>14861638
>>14861644
>Hey guys, can you check out my worldbuilding
No.

[Anonymous No.14861679]

>>14861651
And people fucking wonder why there is no new OC on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.14861688]

>>14861679
This isn't how OC happens you god damn troglodyte.

[Anonymous No.14861691]

>>14861679
You aren't going to make it anyway if you have to ask strangers on the internet. Go to /tg/. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.14861692]

>>14861679
yes, that good old 4chan OC tradition of... high-concept plot-crafting
if you want to show us prose, show us prose, but "this is some crap I dreamed up" is literally the easiest part of the creative process. It's disrespectful t b h.

[Anonymous No.14861705]

>off topic aspiring authors btfo as usual
Good job, brethren. Keep them out.

[Anonymous No.14861707]

>>14861691
/tg/ send me here

[Anonymous No.14861720]

>>14861623
>can you check out my worldbuilding and tell me if there is some stupid shit?
I know this will come across as unhelpful but I legit mean it, worldbuilding is stupid shit. It's fine if you've read some interesting literature on a philosophy, on history or some culture and steal interesting ideas from there. Or if you have some general notion about the setting of your story, what kind of stage your human drama will take place on. But going full /tg/ like this is almost never warranted.

There is no point of you larping Tolkien and you're not doing it in the mode or for the same reasons he did anyway, so just don't.

[Anonymous No.14861761]

>>14859720
You might like >>14844471
The ending anyway.
MC is on the cover.

[Anonymous No.14861827]

>>14861623
>>14861626
>>14861633
>>14861638
>>14861644
This is just autistic gobblegook. I suggest you pick ONE sentence out of that mess and write a short story from it. Do that a couple times.
Here, I'll even pick the first one for you:
>Kobolds can have sex and procreate.

[Anonymous No.14861840]

>>14861827
>>Kobolds can have sex and procreate
Man. Big boobie slut dogs can sure take off a dick. Even when it's much much too big.

[Anonymous No.14861849]

>>14861623
worldbuilding is an excuse for not writing character interactions and narrative

[Anonymous No.14861857]

/sffg/ help me out here, is there something wrong with this lesbian's boob plate? Like, could she stand up straight without it choking her, or am I just picturing anatomy wrong

[Anonymous No.14861863]

>>14861857
That's a man, baby

[Anonymous No.14861873]

>>14861863
He's got nice tits

[Anonymous No.14861885]

>>14861644
Honestly, I find it boring. Yes, boring. And unimaginative. Why should we care which dragons have sex or not? Why should we care about unoriginal dragons in the first place? This is a thread for science fiction and fantasy books, not a summary page to the setting of some generic fantasy drivel in a fan wiki.

Why don't you read a good book instead? Malazan Book of the Fallen is way better than the wet shit that you graced us with. Because even though those books have "dragons and gods, spies and assassins and other fun stuff," as you wish you have, you lack the important part. Malazan actually has interesting characters, has extended scenes where we get to know these characters, some of those characters even develop over time, and most of all these characters act out stories. This is the key word. Stories, that can be engaging, enchanting, happy or sad - it's the core of the human condition to feel along our favorite characters.
Your drivel will never mount to anything but a list aesthetic attributes for a third-rate MMO game. So if you don't want to read books and maybe discuss them a little, why don't you just fuck right off and masturbate to dragons somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.14861888]

>>14861857
It might work, but why does that young lad have tits?

[Anonymous No.14861889]

>>14861857
she is standing straight up

[Anonymous No.14861891]

>>14861863
Yeeaahh. Smasshing bby.

[Anonymous No.14861897]

>>14860151
>The books themselves were shitty.
See >>14861634

[Anonymous No.14861914]

>>14859928
Yes

[Anonymous No.14861927]

>>14860195
That trilogy and the rest involving Fitz are thinly veiled misery porn
I don't know why Hobb wrote 9 books about a character she hates

[Anonymous No.14861949]

>>14861927
Hate is just as strong of a driving force as love, anon.

[Anonymous No.14861950]

>>14861888
As you can see from the title of >>14861857
the girl on the left doesn't know how to use magic so she accidentally gave boobs to that poor twink.

[Anonymous No.14861957]

>>14860070
>First Law

[Anonymous No.14861959]

>>14861720
I-is that a witchbutt?!? oh no ohnono im going INSAAAAAAANEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.14861967]

>>14857111
Sure, just make it about the inner conflict that the protagonist experiences. Then you have "conflict" but it doesn't need to be intensely plot heavy.

[Anonymous No.14861973]

>>14861550
real life is a lot of work and it's a lot more boring

[Anonymous No.14861978]

>>14861957
What's that supposed to mean?

[Anonymous No.14862009]

>>14861978
couple anons don't like abercrombie, saying his books move slow

protip: they're not exactly wrong

[Anonymous No.14862015]

>>14861973
If you haven't already taken martial arts class, fencing or sword classes, studied herbology and chemistry, and work out then you don't have what it takes to be a Witcher

[Anonymous No.14862033]

>>14861973
Imagine you're Geralt, you've tracked down some monster the locals want gone to some stinky swamp. The guy who prepared your food at the village tavern you ate at had something and of course never washes his hands. So there you are on your horse in the middle of a monster infested swamp and your bowels move to expunge their entire contents in your clothes. You decide it's untenable to continue riding and jump off your horse and drop your pants. Just as you're about to unleash a torrent of waste a critter jumps out of its hiding place below you, snarls and strikes out. You scream, lose your balance while farting and shitting, falling over, scaring your horse enough that it runs away. The vaguely mongoloid mutant of a creature wrestles with you as you madly try to reach for your sword and it too screams. The small hunched monster gets a face full of your shit smeared ass during your struggle and pukes all over you before you finally manage to get out your sword and behead it.

I'm not sure the life of a Witcher would really be that dull, but it's not something I'd want.

[Anonymous No.14862039]

are these kinds of books acceptable in 2020?

[Anonymous No.14862060]

>>14858521
>>14861973
Damn, Drizzt Do'Urden's dad looks like that?!

[Anonymous No.14862088]

>>14862039
Monster girl romance seems popular, yes.

[Anonymous No.14862101]

>>14862033
this was hilarious, but don't forget that a witcher's body is immune to infectious disease
>>14862015
i would like to live in a world where those skills are useful. in the real world you're just wasting time like a retard on snake oil and outdated self-defense

[Anonymous No.14862103]

>>14862015
>>14862101
except working out of course (and martial arts to a lesser extent). i do plenty of the former and used to do a bit of the latter

[Anonymous No.14862127]

>>14862033
considering that I had to deal with nearly that same experience after eating drive-thru "hibachi" yesterday, minus the monster-hunting and gold, i think geralt still has the life advantage here

[Anonymous No.14862362]

>>14860938
I remember the navigator as Asian, could be wrong tho.

[Anonymous No.14862375]

>>14860484
No, go ask /a/ for slice of life fantasy anime. Or, y'know, fucking google it.

[Anonymous No.14862395]

>>14862101
>outdated self-defense
In the real world a very tiny percentage of people carry guns or knives.

[Anonymous No.14862403]

>>14861651
While I agree with you, the last thread has been an absolute pustulent pit of American politics, so I'd rather take anon's worldbuilding.
In the meanwhile, you can go and rightly shove your head up your ass. Hopefully you'll suffocate in your own farts.

[Anonymous No.14862433]

>>14862039
Looks fine to me.

[Anonymous No.14862443]

Love the gatekeeping retards in this place as usual. So mad at your own failure to write anything coherent that you take it out on people who aren't lazy fucks like you.

[Anonymous No.14862464]

Where is the line between regular fiction and erotica? How explicit and indulgent can you get before it's too much? I know it can depend on context, some stories do warrant more of it, but generally speaking there must be some point where the story becomes something to coom to rather than a proper story that you're invested in.

[Anonymous No.14862493]

>>14862464
If you're going to describe any lewd scenes in great and painstaking detail then it's erotica. >>14862039 is a good example.

[Anonymous No.14862503]

>>14858260
This exact same thing happened to me. I decided just to stick with it bc a lot of my friends like Sanderson. I kind of enjoyed it in the end, but yeah, Sanderfag sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.14862505]

>>14862464
if the genitally mutilated jewish men who control publishing companies feel anything resembling ordinary human arousal while reading it, it's officially designated as erotica

[Anonymous No.14862508]

>>14862395
>fencing or sword classes
and carrying a sword isn't outdated regardless of how many people concealed carry?

[Anonymous No.14862517]

>>14862443
>scatterbrained worldbuilding notes
>anything coherent
>not lazy
nice try samefag-sama
also we don't pretend to be writers

[Anonymous No.14862525]

>>14862517
>also we don't pretend to be writers
Because you'll never be one period.

[Anonymous No.14862531]

>>14862525
ohh nooooo I won't have people praising my novelerinooos how will I live, guess I better just read stuff like I always have

[Anonymous No.14862535]

>>14862443
Maybe the anons here that write share their output with people who they trust to give reliable criticism and who trust them not to waste their time with synopses?

[Anonymous No.14862541]

>>14862443
What are you talking about? If you mean that guy who dumped some terrible drivel he called worldbuilding here then that's not real writing and the way he went about it he would likely never produce any. You're supposed to write stories, you can come up with an interesting premise or a locale, but ultimately the story is what matters. The characters, the conflict and the themes. Even Tolkien when he wrote what posthumously was released as the Silmarillion told stories, compelling ones even. I don't know if he had some notes on the height of orcs somewhere in a drawer, but that in of itself is completely uninteresting, the context of story is what makes it relevant.

Even if this autistic list of trivia information about his secondary world did amount to something once he started writing we couldn't possibly give him any feedback on that alone. How is telling him to write a story gatekeeping? Telling him that he really didn't need to bother with all of that.

[Anonymous No.14862548]

I'm going to write a fantasy book based off of /sffg/

[Anonymous No.14862559]

>>14862548
Put me in the screencap.

[Anonymous No.14862590]

>>14862443
Because every other month we get the same "aspiring writers" who come in here pitch their shitty ideas and go on and on about how they'll totally finish their work and then vanish off the face of the planet never to be seen again. It gets tiresome.

[Anonymous No.14862644]

Currently reading Fostering Faust 2, shit's pretty bad ngl
The war and peerage parts are interesting I guess. What are some (real) novels similar to those parts? Never really been much into fantasy,
Also, why does the author like so much characters like Anna and Andrea from Super Sales?

[Anonymous No.14862670]

>>14862644
>Also, why does the author like so much characters like Anna and Andrea from Super Sales?
He's a one trick pony. He just keeps writing the same harem plot with the same girls with a different skin every new book he does.

[Anonymous No.14862686]

>>14862590
I'm the anon writing sword and sorcery, I used to talk about it like last summer. I'm doing great progress, I'm some 80k words in, aiming for anywhere between 95k words and 140k. It's obvious this thread is not about >aspiring authors, but I'm lurking. Reading Elric and the Crimson Queen (thanks anon for suggestion) right now, I just like to talk about books and fantasy writing, but I'm never in your face about my writing.

[Anonymous No.14862758]

>>14862525
we don't want to be writers because we know genre fiction died in 2000 and nothing worthwhile was published since

[Anonymous No.14862764]

>>14862758
This

[Anonymous No.14862766]

>>14857111
Conflict in the strict sense of violence or direct confrontation certainly (portrait of an artist, the lighttower, etc). Conflict in the broadest emotional sense mostly in short stories. (borges and guy de maupassant both have some) Novels completely without any emotional conflict are rare and often a bit gimmicky, but they also exist. (locus solus is the only one that springs to mind)

[Anonymous No.14862900]

>>14862644
The books are almost all the same. The MCs are similar to each other, and the females are the same personality with different palette sprites and texture pack.

[Anonymous No.14862914]

>>14862644
I didn't like the fostering Faust series. It was low magic, and completely flipped the script in book 2 onwards.

[Anonymous No.14862959]

books with sexy succubus romance with the main character?

[Anonymous No.14862961]

>>14862914
I'm actually liking the little to no magic in the book.
Guess I'll try some medieval historial fiction.

[Anonymous No.14862972]

>>14862959
There was one but it devolved into cuckshit where the protagonist become more of a spineless bitch as the books went on.

[Anonymous No.14862978]

>>14862972
good intentions?

[Anonymous No.14862986]

>>14862978
Yeah that's the one.

[Anonymous No.14863097]

>>14857111

not really. conflict is the thing missing from everyone's lives. remember that just yesterday in our genetic history we were nomads, spearing animals and clubbing each other to death for food. we always had an enemy of some kind. conflict is built into us.

fiction fills in the gaps in our lives, and the heaviest gap in the human experience today is conflict. we crave it, and society doesn't really function properly without it. without a common enemy, no one feels camaraderie with those around.

[Anonymous No.14863202]

>>14862758
I feel this is true, but what was it that killed it? The publishers getting too far up their own asses, drought of talent, did video games fuck genre fiction over? Right now it feels like all publishing houses are pushing their wokeology and wouldn't publish good material anyway, but is this just a symptom of the death of the genre? Like how people stopped playing tabletop games and that was when political gremlins moved in and started putting trigger warnings in the game books and removed all problematic content? Is it simply archaic at this point? Did the audience die out? Did the zeitgeist kill our ability to write fantasy stories with sincerity?
>>14862686
If you finish some good stories then I'd like you to shill them here, I would love to read recent S&S as I haven't been able to find any.

[Anonymous No.14863204]

What can you guys tell me about Night Watch by Sergei Lukyanenko? Seems interesting, any Russian anon can vouch for the translation though? Is it at least decent?

[Anonymous No.14863212]

>>14863202
Thor Power Tool v. Commissioner killing paperback spinners weakened genre fic for the Scalziist takeover of SFWA a generation later, meanwhile price of on-demand TV content was steadily dropping

among other things

[Anonymous No.14863220]

>>14863202
>I haven't been able to find any
Because barely anybody writes them anymore for a myriad of reasons.

[Anonymous No.14863235]

>>14857401
Do albinos have white pubes?

[Anonymous No.14863238]

>>14863235
Yes, you dirty slut.

[Anonymous No.14863286]

Imagine taking any posts here seriously, let alone believing them.

[Anonymous No.14863299]

Imagine no religion

[Anonymous No.14863314]

Imagine

[Anonymous No.14863327]

Imagine reading this.

[Anonymous No.14863345]

Imagine

[Anonymous No.14863367]

swap the genders and it's just a litrpg

[Anonymous No.14863376]

>>14863327
Looks like an Anita Blake wannabe.

[Anonymous No.14863379]

>>14863367
I can honestly not imagine reading that either. Not even ironically.

[Anonymous No.14863392]

>>14863379
I contemplated suicide after the third blowjob

[Anonymous No.14863415]

>>14863379
Any book that features the protagonist in a romance counts

[Anonymous No.14863502]

>>14862508
Ok sure fencing is outdated, I thought you were referring to (unarmed) martial arts.

>>14862961
You should try Guy Gavriel Key for slightly magical slightly historical Renaissance fiction.

[Anonymous No.14863541]

>>14863415
I wouldn't say so.
>When I arrive on Planet Avalon, I have every reason to believe we will succeed our mission. Boy, was I wrong.
>Darkness surrounds the planet. At night, the savage alien takes me. From the beginning, this mission was a lie.
>I’m alone with the most brutal alien in the universe, but he promises to take me home on one condition...
>It’s mating season, and he’s not letting me go until I have his baby.
Even pure escapism as the Barsoom stories, which feature more or less naked women and the protagonist being the strongest man on Mars mind you, have many things going on that aren't just 'seed and breed womyn'. The greentext above was taken from one of the best selling science fiction books on Amazon. I'm sure litrpg books are no better. This is worse than porno writing tier, more than half the books in the list I'm looking at are.

And people made fun of the Gor books. This is that but with none of the fluff.

[Anonymous No.14863588]

>>14863202
The commodifying of nerd culture.

[Anonymous No.14863657]

>woman has crush on magical skeleton
>wants to jump his bones

[Anonymous No.14863693]

Why isn't there a new demons of astlan book?

[Anonymous No.14863895]

>>14863202
>but what was it that killed it?
Women became the majority of readers and companies go to where the money is at. Classic sci-fi / fantasy stories were written for a male audience in mind compared to modern novels which is written for females.

[Anonymous No.14864013]

>>14863657
Is this Skulduggery Pleasant.

[Anonymous No.14864038]

>>14864013
The loli had a crush on skulduggery?

[Anonymous No.14864055]

Has anyone read any of the following?
>Outriders (Posey)
>Sol Shall Rise (Hudson)
>The Written (Galley)
>The Lost Son (Lucid)
The last one is a complete gamble on my part, the synopsis makes it sound like YA and reviews are scarce to say the least but the author is a local man, so I feel inclined to give it a go for that inane reason alone

[Anonymous No.14864115]

>>14863202
The short answer is that western culture is dying and has left men behind. There's no money in a genre of writing that appeals mostly to men because in general women are the ones with the money and plenty of free time to read. You'll notice that genre fiction isn't really dead. Only writing that is writing for a male audience.

[Anonymous No.14864180]

>>14864055
>the synopsis makes it sound like YA
It is YA, says so in the writer profile. That writer though, poor guy.

[Anonymous No.14864198]

I also found this while looking for the book and thought I'd share the cover with you, I'm at a loss for words.

[Anonymous No.14864237]

>>14864180
Yeah, I saw this photo when I picked up the book at this second hand shop that's selling them new. I don't know the guy or his reputation, but I doubt he deserves to look like that
>>14864198
You know, I firmly believe in the concept of "you can't judge a book by it's cover". I could make an educated guess on this one though

[Anonymous No.14864241]

I finished Book of the New Sun and I'm honestly being pleb filtered. I liked it a lot but I don't really grasp what he was trying to say overall.

[Anonymous No.14864244]

>>14864198
>enire island

[Anonymous No.14864271]

>>14863895
That still doesn't explain why men stopped reading and only women read. As far as I'm concerned it's still a chicken or egg situation, did men stop reading because there's only trash or did men stop reading so there's only trash now? And in either case what was the cause?
>>14864115
Give me the long answer. Why isn't there any money in appealing to male audiences? You'd think you could do both, pulp magazines did.

[Anonymous No.14864279]

>3 or 4 books left in Desolate Era
>started reading a bunch of Doctor Who books, 3/?
>have to finish Pathfinder so I can focus on other things like games, books, and writing my own book
aaaaaaaaaaaa

[Anonymous No.14864285]

>>14864271
The only people males of this generation who would bother with writing are the effeminate ones

[Anonymous No.14864319]

>>14857700
>Powder Mage starts with NTR
I didn't mind, he gets someone way better and we never knew them as a couple we are introduced to her as the cheating whore from the get-go so its fine with me.

[Anonymous No.14864323]

E William Brown a fag.

[Anonymous No.14864328]

>>14864241
You should reread it when you feel up for it. Don't go asking to get spoon-fed or check some wiki or whatever, it'll ruin the experience. It's a rare thing that Wolfe does, so treasure it.
>>14864237
>I don't know the guy or his reputation, but I doubt he deserves to look like that
It's a very rare condition called the Moebius Syndrome apparently. Sounds absolutely horrible.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Möbius_syndrome

[Anonymous No.14864336]

>>14864319
And like any cheating whore, she wants to be forgiven.

[Anonymous No.14864363]

>>14864271
Men stop reading because of new entertainment trends as well as more and more companies becoming "woke" as a result of the loss of readership.

[Anonymous No.14864502]

>>14864336
well yea her whole arc is a redemption story, but I appreciate how it has little to do with the main character in amount of interaction between them, protag just goes his way and "forgives" her more cause he finds someone else and she has to eventually help him rescue his new lover.

[Anonymous No.14864508]

>>14863327
Seems like the female version of all litrpg harem shit.

[Anonymous No.14864547]

>>14864271
more men play video games and they play longer. fantasy also went cross genre with romance, which is easily the best selling of all genre fiction

[Anonymous No.14864555]

>>14863588
This is the right answer

[Anonymous No.14864569]

>>14862590
A lot of those wannabe writers are still here though, we just lurk while quietly working on our shit instead of blogposting. I'm the anon who wanted to write a story with a female orc main love interest.

[Anonymous No.14864571]

>>14864508
Do you think the two audiences congregate? The harem erotica dweebs and frustrated shirtless abs ladies just going at it in orgies that rival those of ancient Rome, cooming so hard together they think they have become Bacchus and Venus each and everyone of them. I can almost see the ocean of jiggling flesh before my mind's eye, the floor slippery with semen, sweat and other fluids, the stench of it all. The nasal grunts and high pitched cries of ecstasy, the slapping sounds. Fat weaboos plowing office ladies, bald big old men breeding schoolgirls. The terrible aftermath in the building and the sudden pristine best seller and most read lists online for about a month until it drowns in litrpg and erotica again and the next meeting is being scheduled.

[Anonymous No.14864584]

>>14864569
>female orc main love
Very good taste, anon.

[Anonymous No.14864602]

>>14864571
>Do you think
No.

[Anonymous No.14864637]

>>14864336
Dude, you don't own women, they're not your property. If you can't please them and they find someone else who can then you can't blame them for that. Stop being a misogynist.

[Anonymous No.14864653]

>>14864637
this has to be 40d satire

[Anonymous No.14864661]

Can interactive elements improve a story?

[Anonymous No.14864718]

>>14864661
No, not the story, but your experience of it.

[Anonymous No.14864762]

>>14861623
>>14861626
>>14861633
>>14861638
>>14861644

Worldbuilding is the poor man's substitute for building an actual narrative, which is why it's favored by autistic redditors.

[Anonymous No.14864765]

The creation of a story begins with its ending.

[Anonymous No.14864785]

>>14864198
They say you can't judge a book by its cover but I can perfectly imagine the contents of this one

[Anonymous No.14864797]

>>14864765
What if I spend the entire book building up to a climax and right when the result of that climax is revealed is the last sentence of the book?
but it's a trilogy

[Anonymous No.14864803]

>>14864198
>>14864237
>>14864785
>When Jack was a boy his only companion was his dog, Neal, an Atlantean SENTINEL, made to council, guide and protect him. Now as a man, he and Neal use their unique abilities to save missing children. When a woman walks through his door, desperate to find her daughter, Jack does what he does best. But this case is anything but routine, he soon finds himself fighting for his life against the largest werewolf pack in America and a coven of deadly vampires while trying to figure out why everyone surrounding the girl keeps getting murdered. Jack is soon swept up into a plot to bring about a new age of Atlantis, at the expense of millions of human lives. Jack and Neal must do everything they can to stop a new World War before Atlantis's tyrannical leader destroys everything they hold dear.

[Anonymous No.14864876]

>>14864803
It's... Pretty standard issue for urban fantasy desu.

[Anonymous No.14865042]

>>14864571
You should become an author, or write longer shitposts. I could imagine everything you described. You are skilled at sharing your vision with others.

[Anonymous No.14865048]

>>14864569
Did you read wild wastes to learn how to do it right?

[Anonymous No.14865057]

>>14864637
I am not blaming anyone for leaving.
It's the leaving, then coming back and expecting to be forgiven, that is the problem.
Or sneaking behind the person's back for long periods, then wanting to be forgiven when caught.
They are not property, but neither am I a chump.

[Anonymous No.14865141]

>>14865057
Women want men to be possessive and treat them like property though.

[Anonymous No.14865322]

Why is it so hot when women are coerced into sex to save a loved one?
Reading about a post apocalyptic world where a woman willingly lets the boss use her, so she can see her son every three days. I'm so hard right now, it's not going down.

[Anonymous No.14865603]

>>14865322
Personally it just makes me sad.

[Anonymous No.14865714]

>>14865322
What's the book?

[Anonymous No.14866099]

>>14865322
That's pretty hot but coercion through mind control and hypnosis is even hotter.

t. Femanon

[Anonymous No.14866138]

>>14866099
>t. Femanon
aka someone from /lgbt/ who is on whoremoans

[Anonymous No.14866153]

To the anon that recommended "do you love your mom and her two hit are effect spell", do the mom fuck the son? Or is it just naked blushing and boob shots?

[Anonymous No.14866266]

>>14866153
Japanese protags never fuck anything

[Anonymous No.14866374]

>>14865048
I did read it but it's not really what I'm aiming for. Wild Wastes has a Orc love interest but she just gets absorbed into the harem blob and stops being a character after the first book.

[Anonymous No.14866455]

>>14866374
How she interacted with the guy in the first book is how you have them interact.

[Anonymous No.14866467]

>>14861589

Im still trying to finish book 3. Tenescrowi fags got crushed. There is a lot of whining.
Is book 4 good?

[Anonymous No.14866499]

>>14866374
When you say orc do you mean Tolkien orcs aka brown ape mongols, Warcraft orcs aka green noble savages, Warhammer orcs aka mushroom men or simply generic orcs aka angry warrior race?

[Anonymous No.14866500]

>>14857083
Say, /sffg/, I was wondering if there's a book that's like this?

>a grown man has grown disillusioned of his stagnant lifestyle
>he discovers a magical world filled with mystical creatures, magic, and adventure a-plenty and maybe a romance
>obligations of his life begin to creep in somehow and he's forced to whether or not to give in to his escapist fantasy or go back to his life

Is a book like this out there or has it already been in another medium? Wouldn't be surprised if an anime covered something like it.

[Anonymous No.14866519]

>>14866500

H.P. lovecraft dream cycle stories

[Anonymous No.14866572]

>>14866499
The generic angry tribal kind.

[Anonymous No.14866574]

>all this love to orc girls
>none given to thark girls

[Anonymous No.14866594]

>>14866574
Tharks are too alien looking. Also in a setting where you have hot voluptuous red skinned martian bitches running around naked, who cares about tharks?

[Anonymous No.14866597]

>>14866594
If only ERB had made tharkettes busty

[Anonymous No.14866603]

>>14866500
Chronicles of Thomas Covenant sorta, but it's not gonna be anime enough for you.

[Anonymous No.14866619]

>>14866597
It wouldn't work, the entire point of them is to be lanky low gravitational creatures. Can't have them stumbling around with huge knockers, they'd be too top heavy.

[Anonymous No.14866622]

>>14866619
That's why they'd have a second pair

[Anonymous No.14866637]

>>14866622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC4ufqxWwMw

[Anonymous No.14866697]

>>14866574
>you're more likely to encounter orc romances/lewds than ones with black girls

[Anonymous No.14866700]

>>14866697
nobody's had bad experiences with stinky orc girls

[Anonymous No.14866706]

>>14857083
anyone got a chart for pre-tolkien fantasy?

[Anonymous No.14866708]

>>14866697
You know what they say about monster girls, anon.
The monster is only on the outside ;_;.

[Anonymous No.14866715]

man, writing courtroom scenes is tough, but I got through it.

also, good news /sffg/, I have my inspiration back

[Anonymous No.14866778]

>>14864271
>Give me the long answer. Why isn't there any money in appealing to male audiences? You'd think you could do both, pulp magazines did.
Did.

[Anonymous No.14866782]

Christ this is a bad entry of sffg to read through, so much hornyposting that isn't even relevant to any actual books

[Anonymous No.14866827]

Outside of Hyperion, any suggestions for Dan Simmons?

[Anonymous No.14866830]

>>14866697
that picture is kinda adorable.
reminds me of that movie where some nazi falls in love with a black girl that thinks shes hitler.

[Anonymous No.14866843]

>>14866782
Then discuss some books instead of whining.

[Anonymous No.14866860]

>>14866827
ilium/olympos is also good

[Anonymous No.14866926]

>goodreads recommending me xianxia
blaming you fucks for this

[Anonymous No.14867038]

>Lovecraftian horror is a rich field of genuine literature worthy of scholarly atten-

https://youtu.be/KzfMkaMkI5Y

[Anonymous No.14867267]

>>14866572
Make them as degenerate as possible.

[Anonymous No.14867398]

>>14866827
Yes, I would like him to allow more of the mythic to remain unexplained, as he's really bad at it and tends to deflate the numinous aspects.

[Anonymous No.14867428]

>>14865322
MomNTR makes me angry and hard at the same time desu.
But momcest is superior

[Anonymous No.14867508]

>>14867428
>But momcest is superior
based.

[Anonymous No.14867521]

>>14866572
You know, it would be interesting to see an orc romance between a human and a female orc of the kind that didn't have all the edges ground down until they basically just become green primitive tribal humans. I think that's an interesting premise you could at least get a short story out of, how do you deal with basically falling in love with something truly evil and entirely unredeemable? Maybe you feel oddly attracted to her, you are very sexually compatible and she's into you but she's also a complete and utter monster and you have nothing in common. The protagonist would have to resolve it by either giving up love or parts of himself that he treasures. Maybe she worships him in her brutal orc way but when he says hi to a fair woman the orc carves her up and serves her for dinner? I don't mean cute stuff but things that might make your stomach turn a little, but she also has to be good enough of a character that the reader won't hate her either.

That's much more interesting to me than green aborigine women getting their craving of spaniard dickings filled, although when I think about it south americans leaned more towards the uruk side in real life.

[Anonymous No.14867551]

>>14867521
I get what you mean, I'm going back and forth about how far I should take her character. I have a few scenes in mind that show just how alien her thinking process is compared to the protagonist's. I don't want to make her some unique special orc that can magically understand and accept human norms. She's still an orc, she likes to pillage, fight, fuck, etc you know all the things that tribal orcs usually do in fantasy.

We'll see I guess, I don't want to bite off more than I can chew.

[Anonymous No.14867599]

>>14867521
>Maybe you feel oddly attracted to her, you are very sexually compatible and she's into you but she's also a complete and utter monster and you have nothing in common.
So just a normal romance then?

[Anonymous No.14867655]

Can anyone recommend some newer scifi? I've read pretty much exclusively older stuff like pre 2000 and I want to try something new.

[Anonymous No.14867656]

Read Gene Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.14867734]

>>14867551
I think how far you take it must depend on what you're ultimately going for, the tone, who your audience is, what the conflict of the story is. If you're basically going for a cutesy romance wish fulfilment (nothing wrong with that) then you should tone it down to not make her unpalatable. The conflict then resides more in improving something that already works, maybe her tribe doesn't approve, maybe they have cultural differences but they can be bridged with a little effort and they develop a new understanding for one another. Something along those lines. Maybe it's not much of a problem at all and the central conflict is about something else if they go on an adventure together or whatever, you can also intertwine the two.

I know I would crank it up all the way to eleven with two outcasts, one uruk and one human, and the conflict would be focused on what I detailed above because that's what I find interesting. To make the romance itself the central struggle, and make it almost unresolvable and very high tension.
>>14867599
Yes, that's the beauty of it, it would be relatable for a lot of people. That's an aspect in the fundamental relationship between man and woman, the passionate hatred and love, the lack of understanding but also the attempt at unity. Such a story would say something about the human condition and it would make for a good read I think. It's just hyperbole reality.

[Anonymous No.14867834]

>>14866500
Radix

[Anonymous No.14867890]

>>14867428
>MomNTR
Isn't that a thing by default?

[Anonymous No.14867968]

>>14867890
MomNTR is not just moms having sex with your dad or their bfs it's usually about degrading them like getting blackmailed or getting gangbanged by a bunch of guys that are the same age as her son.

[Anonymous No.14868271]

>>14866499
>human and green human
how daring

[Anonymous No.14868392]

>>14863502
>try Guy Gavriel Key
Thanks anon, will check
Any particular book you reccomend?

[Anonymous No.14868711]

>>14868709
>>14868709
>>14868709

[Anonymous No.14868802]

>>14865322
What's it like to be a coomer?

[Anonymous No.14868841]

>>14866697
Friendly reminder the only reason we're not repulsed by this 'groid is that she's drawn like a white woman not what her actual orcself would look like

[Anonymous No.14868932]

>>14866500
Neverwhere by Neil Gaimain