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How could Christ be fully Man if He was devoid of sin?
I understand the Immaculate Conception and the Perpetual Virginity and the Assumption, i.e. the mechanics of coming from a womb that was untouched by original sin, but how can the product of that process be called a "man" when He does not have one of the central characteristics of what it means to be human? How can you say the Son understands the experience of being a man if He never feels those stains on His heart?

>> No.14835559

>>14835521
Was Adam a man before original sin?

>> No.14835591

>>14835559
He certainly didn't live a life anything like that of a man.
That actually brings me to another question - sin and death are the same curse. How could Christ have died at all if he was free from sin?

>> No.14835601

>>14835521
He was devoid of Sin, but not of temptation.
The devil came to him in the desert, showed him all the kingdoms of the world, that could all be his, but Christ rebuked it all, he was still privy to Man's temptation. Also when crucified on the cross, he cried out to God "Father how could have thou forsaken me?" He was Man and God in the same breath, without Man's fallibility and without God's pure infallibility.

>> No.14835603

>>14835559
Not really.
>>14835521
I was thinking the same thing. Couldn't God have impregnated a non-virgin woman? You know, if he wanted the full human experience and all?

>> No.14835610

>>14835521
/lit/ unrelated >>>/x/

>> No.14835611

>>14835521

Original Sin is a Pauline fever dream.

>> No.14835613

>>14835601
>He was Man
>without Man's fallibility
Yeah, it doesn't work that way, bub.

>> No.14835639

>>14835611
I'm willing to put aside that strict fine point for the sake of argument, but sin in general is an irreducable part of Christianity.

>> No.14835663

>>14835639

Indeed, but implicit sinfulness is nowhere to be found in Scripture.

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>/lit/ unrelated >>>/x/

>> No.14835692

>>14835678
>posting feels guy on 2020
Why don't you go black to Twitter?

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>>14835603
>Not really.
>Adam was not really man
lol
Sin is a deprivation of what is good, God made man and he was good, initially.
when evil/sin enters into man it makes man less human, it soils his image, which is made in the image of God, he becomes more enslaved to lusts and passions, more delusional and unaware of his relation to his creator, sin doesn't make man more human it makes man just worse and worse.