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>As a political faction, Right just means “not left.”There are many Rights and only one Left.The modern Left evolved from one 18th-century Anglo-American tradition (English Radicalism), which over the last two centuries captured almost every intellectual and political institution in the world.Any post-1945 perspective outside this movement (Updike’s, for instance) is not the product of any significant intellectual quality-control process, because the modern Right has no significant intellectual institutions (by the standards of the modern Left).

>Worse, as a political movement, the democratic Right exists only to the extent that it can recruit voters.Its doctrine is not a red pill, because it was never designed to be a red pill.It was designed to persuade as many bipeds as possible to pull the right lever.Ideas prosper in the modern Right if, and only if, they increase this number rather than decreasing it.Thus the blend of reality, leftism and nonsense—each of which has its own way of attracting voters.

>Our reconstructions all seem right-wing because “right” just means “heresy.”Where the truth is orthodox, there is no need to reconstruct.But we cannot reverse the process: just as not all orthodoxies are false, not all heresies are true.

Damn, never thought about it like that.

>> No.14771130

>>14771116
What a load of horseshit.

>> No.14771143

>>blah blah blah i'm a weak faggot with low t who begs to get some d up his holes

>> No.14771151

>>14771116
>literal nobody giving his expert opinion of the umpteenth definition of right/left false dichotomy
cool

>> No.14771154

>>14771116
>one Left
There are like 100 Lefts. Why make a statement that is so explicitly false?

>> No.14771206

>>14771116
>the blend of reality, leftism and nonsense—each of which has its own way of attracting voters.

Best description of /pol/ ever lmao

>> No.14771230

i thought the left and the right come from the french revolution tho. left wing favors it, right wing opposes it

>> No.14771231

>>14771151
>genius who is friends with Peter Thiel
>literal nobody

>> No.14771243

>>14771154
Spotted the 110 IQ midwit

>> No.14771375

>>14771154
There are more Lefts in politics than the Indianapolis 500.

>> No.14771426

>>14771154
Golly gee! So many leftist viewpoints! Should my son be trans, dye xer's hair violet and suck cock, or be trans, dye xer's hair violet with a buzzcut on the side and suck cock?

>> No.14771444

>>14771116
Why the fuck are posting that here? This is political trash. You do realize you're on /lit/?

>> No.14771452

>>14771426
Trannies are usually rightwingers.

>> No.14771458

>>14771154
thats only 50 laps
90% of the race to go boyo

>> No.14771460

>>14771426
Low IQ /pol/luter detected

>> No.14771461

>>14771154
you'd think that'd be obvious seeing how leftists are infighting 24/7

how many times did Trotskyists split again?

>> No.14771495

>>14771452
nrxers are homos like thiel, jews like moldbug or autistic trannies Justine Tunney former CEO of occupy wallstreet personality who got redpilled by gamergate
https://youtu.be/uZkxhdl4NGM

>> No.14771515

>>14771452
Attend a demonstration Antifa wants to stop and you will find out, up close and personal, how wrong you are about that.

>> No.14771521
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>>14771460

>> No.14771531

>>14771452
Probably because the AGP makes them want to get dominated really badly.

>> No.14771562

>>14771515
all ''fringe politics'' whether far left or far right is LARPing sodomites and feds

>> No.14771565

This nigga is making shit up to justify turning the 'left' into what the left thinks is the 'right', regardless of whether it's actually true or not. How does that solve the actual problem here?

>> No.14771571

>>14771426
in Cuba they would lynch you for something like that

>> No.14771593

>>14771515
Antifa is a Soros-funded neolib psyop.

>> No.14771608

>>14771426
Those are liberal viewpoints. Leftists hate libs.

>> No.14771623

>>14771130
>>14771143
>>14771151
>>14771154
>>14771206
Not seeing any arguments here.

>> No.14771625

>>14771571
Cuba's government was right wing. So was the USSR. This is common knowledge

>> No.14771714

>>14771625
USSR was socially conservative and nationalist.

>> No.14771720

>>14771625
>>14771714
So communism is rightwing now? Wow, /lit/ never ceases to amaze.

>> No.14771730

>>14771720
Nationalism is.

>> No.14771737

>>14771720
Reminder that economic positions don't matter in anglosphere political discourse, identity politics only please

>> No.14771747

>>14771737
Neolibs must be sent to the gulags.

>> No.14771789

>>14771625
>>14771714
>>14771730
Ah, so this must be what "Cultural Marxism" really means.

>> No.14771805

>>14771789
Basically, yes.

>> No.14771818
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>>14771625
>communism is right wing

>> No.14771822

>>14771116
There are at least two Lefts though: actual Marxism and postmodernism.
Unless you think they are both Jewish in which case yeah there's only one Left but many Rights.

>> No.14771829

>>14771625
>>14771720
Leninism is left wing. Stalinist "socialism in one country" and Russification is more like national socialism.

>> No.14771831

consider the various trends in political thought in the 19th and 20th centuries, which developed in response to the advent of wage labor, industrialism, and enlightenment liberalism (this which the dominant strains of contemporary political thought both right and left derive) and some of the political movements to emanate from that
>republicanism
>enlightenment liberalism
>marxism
>syndicalism
>guild socialism
>Fabian socialism
>revolutionary socialism
>various artisan/art-and-crafts movements
>populism (in all its forms)
>fascism
>American progressivism
as a minor critic of "progress," curtis here has fallen into a trap laid by progressivist/revisionist theorists themselves unwittingly laid--the assumption that history has been an inexorable march towards one dominant social structure with a dominant organizing principle. he moreover picked the wrong one (English radicalism) instead of the obvious one (Enlightenment liberalism), and, piling another absurdity on, claims the right can only be described negatively. he probably thinks this simply because he has as little historical consciousness as the "Cathedral" he sketchily describes

>> No.14771840

>>14771822
Except Moldbug is himself Jewish.

>> No.14771850

>>14771831
>various artisan/art-and-crafts movements
I heard /po/ is a hotbed for militant arts-and-craft radicals.

>> No.14771935

>>14771822
Postmodernism is just a method. You could very well be a postmodern right-winger.

>> No.14771994

>>14771850
sounds pretty based. i'll have a look

>> No.14772209

>>14771116

The dissonance is unreal with this one. There is only one right and a million splintered leftwing ideologies. Just like you can only be right one way and wrong in an infinite amount of ways.

>> No.14772215

>>14771116
>if, and only if,
Holy cringe. Could not physically get past this part.

>> No.14772257

>>14772209
>Because right is synonymous with correct, the political right is correct....

Yup! This is the level of right wing intellectualism...

inb4: i wuz jes jokin...
You weren't

>> No.14772303

>>14771154
It's sort of true if you restrict it to the US audience he's writing for. If Marxism is Catholicism/Orthodoxy, American leftism is Dissenter/Nonconformist Protestantism.

>> No.14772312

>>14772303
i think this is pretty reductive. if moldbug is talking about the cathedral or whatever, he's talking about liberalism, which is a european importation and basically irreconcilable with the implicit politics of someone like johnathan edwards or emerson

>> No.14772345

>>14772312
I've always took issue with the "The Puritans!" historiography. Really it has more in common with the Evangelical Revival/Great Awakening, but that was of course an outgrowth of Nonconformism/Dissent.

>> No.14772393

>>14772345
the modern American left, you mean? it seems like the ideological currents subtending the great awakening would not evolve into what I am thinking of as America's flavor of liberalism

>> No.14773109

I'm not familiar with the US context but in my experience, while leftists can never agree with each other, they are all broadly within the same current. From that perspective I can see what Moldbug is getting at.

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14773159

America has been left-wing for its entire existence if you take a Catholic/reactionary worldview. There is no "American conservatism." To be right-wing is to reject the entire American project. To be right-wing is to support the Pope and to support the King, neither of which you can do as a loyal American. To be right-wing is to seek to destroy the entire global order that America has built.

Actually, these days, to be right-wing is to be a radical and a revolutionary. It is to seek to overthrow the established order, because the established order is terrible.

>> No.14773212

>>14771375
ayy

>> No.14773274

>>14771116
Back to /po/ cuck

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>>14771593
shhhh don't tell them

>> No.14773567

>>14771230
It does come from the French revolution but both the right (Girondins) and the left (Montagnards) supported the revolution. i.e both the right and the left are modernist and anti-tradition.

>> No.14773575

>>14771515
Antifa are right-wing. Liberal=right-wing. Yes i do realize almost all current "left-wing" movements are primarily liberal, at least in the West. Hell even leftypol has liberal tendencies.

>> No.14773589

>>14771116
There are no right wing intellectuals because the hypercapitalist death machine only has corporations to back its ideology. It’s treatises are fake news propaganda and YouTube stars.

>> No.14773597

>>14773575
Antifa are against fascist policies. Get your facts straight bucko.

>> No.14773727

>>14773597
>fascist
it's just a meme word, it means literally nothing

>> No.14773778

It's so satisfying to watch leftists rankle against the implication that they fall straight into the tradition of Anglo and Anglo-American progressivism. When it makes so much historical sense, and yet it's something that they resent so much.

>> No.14773785

>>14773727
> Fascism (/ˈfæʃJzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy

Modern alt right has more economic and religious undertones. Military industrial complex and evangelism in the US and anti EU workers rights in Europe. Also caused Brexit. Alt right is particularly Jew friendly, also a novelty.

>> No.14773790

>>14773778
>accusing others of what you yourself are, namely the Anglo Jew

>> No.14773807

>>14773785
the alt right imploded in 2016 and was never relevant either way

>> No.14773809

>>14773785
>anglos not wanting anything to do with europe is fascism
what

>> No.14773820

>>14773809
Erosion of worker rights and other protections to sell out the country, yes.

>> No.14773847

>>14773785
>Fascism (/ˈfæʃJzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy
>far-right
Oh look a buzzword used to describe another buzzword.
Jee I wonder who wrote THAT definition.

Also, ignoring the meme word that literally has no meaning, this definition would fit every communist dictatorship and Israel.

>> No.14773850

>>14773820
Lmao prove it moron.
Show me research counting how many rights workers have under UK independence and under EU regulations and how those rights actually affect quality of workers environments.

>> No.14773919

>>14773785
> Fascism (/ˈfæʃJzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy
sounds like the EU desu

>> No.14773978

>>14773850
Enjoy your incoming Chinese assrape and price explosions coupled with shit wages and inflation.

>United
Not for long, lol

>> No.14773994

>>14773978
So your entire argument is based on your feefees about what some memetuber tells you is gonna happen because of brexit?
So you have no arguments grounded on facts and logic?
What a libtard, you just destroyed yourself with feefees and ignorance.
Also I don't live anywhere near the UK or the rest of Europe for that matter.

>> No.14774106

>>14773994
It’s already happening, oops.

>> No.14774110

>>14773847
Back to ATS and SF with you, bucko.

>> No.14774204

>>14773850
That anon is only kind of right
Tories have been wanting to sell out to american pharma for a while, rip anyone on prescription.
Keeping them in will potentially lead to worse working conditions for the native median(and lower) earner, but that goes without saying
I'd prefer it if uk bigdicked european parliment and forced merkel out that way but hey

>> No.14774243

>>14771116
Is this fucker a Murican? Dumbing down complex shit to two sides is a fucking epidemic in the states.

>> No.14774300

>>14774243
m8 there's tons of issues you can't talk about without using high-level concepts.

>> No.14774327

>>14774300
And for many you reach a point when the simplification kills any meaning. For politics it just doesn't work, going below the 4 sided political compass which already is very simplistic removes too much nuance.

>> No.14774727

>>14774327
I don't think that's the case here.

>> No.14774769

Using left and right to characterize anything other than vague political dispositions is a waste of time. People get so caught up in trying to accurately define these terms that it can actively destroy political discourse.

>> No.14774839

>>14772257
That's... not what he was saying.
inb4 you were just joking

>> No.14775364

>>14774243
How is this a problem? He's talking about what these terms mean in social context. The whole point is that nobody cares about the greater depth.