Are you a Platonist or an Aristotelian?

[Anonymous No.14746009]

>Every man is born an Aristotelian or a Platonist. I do not think it possible that anyone born an Aristotelian can become a Platonist; and I am sure that no born Platonist can ever change into an Aristotelian. They are two classes of man, beside which it is next to impossible to conceive a third.
Samuel Taylor Coleridge

[Anonymous No.14746017]

I'm a Gamer.

[Anonymous No.14746018]

>>14746009
Was he ignorant of Neoplatonism, the partricians choice?

[Anonymous No.14746026]

>>14746018
Neoplatonists are just Platonists.

[Anonymous No.14746027]

>>14746009
I don't know about either since I don't read

[Anonymous No.14746037]

im a parmenidian

[Anonymous No.14746059]

>>14746026
Neoplatonists are Platonists obsessed with the dialogue of Parmenides.

[Anonymous No.14746080]

>>14746009
Why, yes. I follow the footsteps of the divine Plato. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.14746128]

>>14746009
*laughs in Heraclitean*
Seriously in hindsight those kinds of pronouncements always come off as corny. Plato and Aristotles aren't even that different philosophically speaking, the field of possible philosophical instincts is huge.

[Anonymous No.14746132]

I'm both

t. based perspectivist

[Anonymous No.14746133]

>>14746128
Schopie solves the Parmenides vs. Heraclitus problem. Parmenides talks about the Will and Heraclitus about representation.

[Anonymous No.14746148]

>>14746133
Sure, that doesn't really change my point. Heraclitus and Parmenides aren't that opposed in the first place either.

[Anonymous No.14746152]

>>14746133
>Schopie solves the Parmenides
Where? Does he do it explicitly, or are you saying its implied in his ideas? I've only read some essays and aphorisms from him.

[Anonymous No.14746155]

>>14746152
Explicitly. It was on his "Fragments for History of Philosophy" in Pre-Socratics section.

[Anonymous No.14746156]

>>14746009
Platonism purified of its paganism and gayness by Christianity

[Anonymous No.14746182]

>>14746156
So an Aristotelian larp religion.

[Anonymous No.14746186]

>>14746155
Thanks, mate

[Anonymous No.14746191]

>>14746156
Begone.

[Anonymous No.14746193]

[Anonymous No.14746196]

>>14746193
These are extremely superficial reductions. Cringe.

[Anonymous No.14746200]

>>14746009
According to Aristotle Plato was born a Heraclitean and died a Parmenidean.

[Anonymous No.14746208]

>>14746193
>privately hated mythology
>privately loved mythology
yikes

[Anonymous No.14746235]

>>14746193
awful image

[Anonymous No.14746373]

Aristotle is just an autistic Platonist who skews Platonism to fit his desire for a systematic philosophy grounded in experience and logic working together. Plotinus and Damascius are the true successors of the divine Plato.

[Anonymous No.14746379]

>>14746373
Plato just reported what Socrates said.

[Anonymous No.14746384]

>>14746193
yikes

[Anonymous No.14746582]

>>14746193
I'm not even very well read and realise this is retarded, who the fuck made this shit?

[Anonymous No.14746585]

>>14746379
not true btw

[Anonymous No.14746689]

>>14746009
Aristotelian masterrace reporting in. He was right about natural slaves and demolished Socrates gay ideas from The Republic

[Anonymous No.14746760]

>>14746009
Ur-Platonist here. Aristotle was a Platonist. Plotinus was a Platonist. Plato, too, was a Platonist.

[Anonymous No.14746783]

Guys, can't they all have value?

Plotinus is gay misunderstood Plato btw.

[Anonymous No.14746820]

>>14746009
The distinguishment is silly, of course its true that they're very different but please. They both have a value, often mutual.

[Anonymous No.14746827]

>>14746760
What is a 'Ur-' platonist?

[Anonymous No.14746831]

>>14746827
Likely that he believes in some sort of primeval tradition of Platonic soul, even if he doesn't call it tradition or primeval.

[Anonymous No.14746905]

>>14746760

Was Kant a boof bash Platoist?

just realized how much I have been avoiding reading properly for a year

ruh oh

[Anonymous No.14746978]

>>14746379
Plato invented Socrates

[Anonymous No.14747026]

>>14746978
>Socrates
>his students create four opposing mutually disliking schools of thought each claiming to be the true inheritance of Socrates's thought
>"definitely not real like why tf do we call it presocraticism lol ddd"

[Anonymous No.14747027]

>>14746009
the thinking man's choice

[Anonymous No.14747031]

>>14747027
what does parmenides have to do with those two cryptobuddhists?

[Anonymous No.14747040]

>>14747027
The Triumvirate

[Anonymous No.14747047]

>>14747026
Jesus wasn't real and we have dozens if not hundreds of opposing schools of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.14747078]

>>14746133
>Heraclitus
>representation
Schopie was refuted by Nietzsche on this.

[Anonymous No.14747100]

>>14747078

we all know neet boy loved Jesus

[Anonymous No.14747105]

>>14747047
>Jesus wasn't real
That's where your wrong pal.

[Anonymous No.14747114]

>>14746009
>you're either x or y
does that make us an Hegelian as well?

[Anonymous No.14747118]

>>14746182
Didnt aristotelean christianity come later?

[Anonymous No.14747155]

>>14747118
Medieval period, yeah, when Christianity became obsessed with rational analysis. Platonism is more "mystical" and so more compatible with the early Church.

[Anonymous No.14747159]

>>14746193
I can kind of get behind the first few as very vague generalizations, but as the list goes on it just gets worse and worse.

[Anonymous No.14747164]

>>14747047
Jesus was real, but the point remains the interpretation of the man, like socratese, gets filted through different individuals. Not saying this is wrong, But they both in part become representations rather than flesh and blood.

[Anonymous No.14747253]

>>14746193
based retard

[Anonymous No.14747263]

>>14747155
You find that Eastern Christianity will be more Platonic (Hesychasm / Mysticism / Palamist) while Western Christianity is more Aristotelean (Scholasticism / Thomist).

This isn't to say that either side subscribes to Plato or Aristotle, just that their theological process was shaped within the lens of those two philosophers.

[Anonymous No.14747298]

>>14746017
fpbp

[Anonymous No.14747409]

>>14747263
Scholasticism began with Syrianus and Proclus.

[Anonymous No.14747413]

>>14746196
>>14746235
>>14746384
Make a better one

[Anonymous No.14747456]

>>14747409
Wrong.
It began with Grug the Proto-Philosopher while he was ruminating in his cave.

[Anonymous No.14747472]

>>14747026
>Implying these differing accounts of Socrates aren't just Plato playing an intricate web of dialectic like he does in the Parmenides.
Face it Socrates was the Platonic form of the Philosopher, if he actually existed he was likely nothing like the Platonic Socrates.
Also: Daily Reminder that Plato was the single greatest mind in human history.

[Anonymous No.14747478]

>>14747078
Nietzsche just made a point to have the opposing opinion on everything in regards to Schoppy because he had a big fight with Wagner after the latter accused him of being a coomer.

[Anonymous No.14747494]

>>14746193
>actual acts

[Anonymous No.14747514]

heh, nothing personnel kid

[Anonymous No.14747610]

I kind of feel embarrassed being on this thread because I had no idea Pol examined Plato to this level and and I have understoof that sooner well, sometimes you feel like you are speaking the experts in chemistry on 4chan then it's well not good stuff, in an immoral sense but the level of education seems of such an excellence, that I am very intimdated by

[Anonymous No.14747611]

>>14746009
Sorry im deleuzean

[Anonymous No.14747618]

>>14747611

Not really a humor in the spirit of the Republic

[Anonymous No.14747630]

>>14747611

Plato has a consistency in philosophy which is acceptable as a point of diologue with understanding of even one book

I find the method on this particular forum to be secular in individuation of collective morality which is not in the spirit of Plato in the first place.

[Anonymous No.14747635]

Although I appreciate the peer pressure to look at the particular works you have mentioned.

[Anonymous No.14747655]

>>14747478
That might have been what compelled him to write, but that wasn't the basis for his thought.

[Anonymous No.14747667]

Aristotle was a Platonist.

[Anonymous No.14747714]

>>14746017


I can honestly say that I've been asked a million times why I play games. And I normally just shrug and say "It's a hobby.", but that's a lie. Because when I'm in game, I'm at home. From the flames of cataclysm to the icy mountains of Tamriel, anywhere I venture, is a place I love and know. My entire life people preach that I could be anything that I wanted to be. But when I told them I wanted to be the captain of a ship, a spaceship, THE spaceship that saves humanity. That I wanted to be Commander Shepard they told me I need to get a grip on reality. And to them to them a grip on a reality means the American dream, working nine to five crammed up in a tiny cubicle having two-point-five kids, a two story suburban house and a white picket fence. I divorce once, and I'd have debt into my early thirties because I took some bullshit university degree that's suppose to help me in the end.

This isn't reality, this is just a dull outlook on it. Now I understand it's human nature to achieve greatness, but I can do this as Commander Shepard, I don't need a degree. And if I want to go on an adventure I don't ever have to leave the comfort of my home. Yet, people spend an entire salary to travel and I can't help but laugh. I've single-handedly stopped a reign of ancient wyverns from destroying a nation, but before I could do that do I had to:

Learn their language. Become a master in Swordsmanship, Smithing, Archery, Defense, Magic, Speech, Hunting and Thieving!

Not to mention I had to take down an entire fleet of assassins along with a brigade of smugglers before I could even START my lessons in Dragon's Speak. I've always enjoyed an adventure, but I hated pawning my limbs to afford an eighteen-hour car ride. And aside from being told that I can enjoy a white-picket fence at the end of my career, all my years as a student was balance between Fractal Formulas and believing I never be able to love which is literal INSANITY. I've saved Princess Peach. I wanted to be the guy, and I became the guy. I saved Bandage Girl. And I've been Link for generations just to save Princess Zelda. But yet, I'm the eternal virgin, I'm the guy that's never going to love.

And sometimes this shit doesn't make sense to me, why people assume that I need to be out doing something and away from home to have fun when I have my own reality grasped between my hands. I have my own world at my fingertips, if I screw something
up I can rewind time. I can't do that in real life, but when I'm in game I'm free to what I please, when I plEEEase, I'm free to enjoy things the way I want to. I can build my own Kingdom and lead my people to freedom because I'm the mind behind the game. I'm the one who enjoys these games.

I am a gamer.
And I always will be.

[Anonymous No.14747737]

>>14747714
Nice copypasta.
Is it just me or does anyone else like to be autistic and apply their personal philosophy to their characters behavior in games and see how he becomes?

[Anonymous No.14747745]

>>14746009
>beside which it is next to impossible to conceive a third.

the whiteheadian, who has successfully reconciled both and solved philosophy

[Anonymous No.14747797]

>>14746193
Did this guy even take philosophy 101?

[Anonymous No.14747802]

I'm a parmessan

[Anonymous No.14747818]

>>14746009
*Ahem*

[Anonymous No.14747878]

Words are a profound medium of depleting the necessity of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.14748052]

>>14746080
Based and schoppy-pilled

[Anonymous No.14748134]

>>14746009
I really like Parmenides' poem. It shapes how I view divinity.

There's reason to doubt the connections between the dialogue Plato gives and the historical person.

[Anonymous No.14748148]

>>14748134

Poets though?

[Anonymous No.14748157]

>>14748134

I don't want to even make a joke because I did about my own weirdness but not yours

I thought what you said was

what Plato intended in an actualization

[Anonymous No.14748174]

I feel guilty so I know I shouldn't have said to

because I didn't read anon before I posted

and God is pissed

[Anonymous No.14748197]

>>14748174
Don't worry brother. God is all merciful.
I guess Coleridge has a point. Plato looks at the sky; Aristotle the earth.

[Anonymous No.14748339]

>>14748197

You are wonderful

sorry
thank you

[Anonymous No.14748345]

I am sorry for being a ****

[Anonymous No.14749393]

ur-platonist here

[Anonymous No.14750491]

I'm a Platonist/Augustinian. I feel like the Plato/Aristotle distinction extends into Christianity in the form of the divide between Augustine and Aquinas. Augustine skews more towards Plato, while Aquinas, obviously, skews more towards Aristotle. They're both orthodox, so they both agree on a lot, but they've got different points of emphasis based on their proximity to their respectively most influential Greek philosophers. Anyone who's an instinctive Platonist is probably going to be an instinctive Augustinian, and anyone who's an instinctive Aristotelian is probably going to be an instinctive Thomist.

[Anonymous No.14750514]

>>14746009
I'm a pre-Socratic. Fuck Plato.

[Anonymous No.14750517]

>>14747472
Then how do you explain Diogenes claiming Antisthenes to be the true successor of Socrates thought, and we finding further similarity's and focuses in Plato's earlier dialogues in that to both Antisthenes and Socrates' described philosophy? Not to mention all the other schools for comparison also.

[Anonymous No.14750519]

>>14746009
Closer to Aristotelian but that dichotomy is bullshit. Aristotle focused way too hard on throwing arbitrary hierarchies and categories on stuff that wind up not being descriptively useful. Plato on the other hand's just a pompous douche who insists on literally nonsensical things that he made up, and spends his whole life twisting his teacher's work and reputation to prop up his imaginary bullshit.

If I have to be a Greek, I'd rather be a presocratic. Maybe Heraclitean. Socrates was probably pretty smart but I'll never know because Plato turned him into a disingenuous puppet through his versions of the dialogues.

[Anonymous No.14750533]

>>14748197
>I guess Coleridge has a point. Plato looks at the sky; Aristotle the earth.
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.14750536]

>>14750519
I thought this was an ironic post at first.

[Anonymous No.14750572]

>>14750519
Thoroughly based and redpilled post.

[Anonymous No.14750591]

>>14746009
Both and neither, I'm a Catholic.

[Anonymous No.14750840]

Aristotle dunked on Plato. He refuted nearly all of his philosophy in the first 5 pages of Politics.

In fact, the only reason to even read Plato today is to make you realize how hard he shit all over him.

[Anonymous No.14750876]

>>14750533
I forget from where I stole that but to explain: Plato (mystic), with his intellect, was able to reach Truth with a single bound; Aristotle (scientific), with his reason, was able to reach truths slowly through experience and experiments.
Check out the OP's painting. The guy pointing up to the sky is Plato. The one with his palm facing the ground is Aristotle. This being the difference of where they derived their truths.

[Anonymous No.14750879]

>>14750876
ahahahaha look how smol aristotle's head is next to galaxy brain nibbas plato and socrates

[Anonymous No.14751011]

>>14750491
True. Also, Plato was right about everything.

[Anonymous No.14751080]

>>14750876
>but to explain:
That's the part if got ):

[Anonymous No.14751181]

>>14747714
philosophy ended on this post

[Anonymous No.14751232]

>>14746009
"[T]he doctrines that Plato and Aristotle share are more important than those that divide them. Many post-Renaissance historians of ideas have been less perceptive than the many commentators in late antiquity who saw it as their duty to construct a harmonious concord between the two greatest philosophers of the ancient world"

Anthony Kenny, A New History of Western Philosophy

[Anonymous No.14751259]

>>14751011
Yeah, I went through that phase too. A couple of years later, I realized he was wrong about everything.

[Anonymous No.14751730]

>>14750517
>Diogenes
Cringe

[Anonymous No.14751744]

Plato anyone else is just a footnote to him.

[Anonymous No.14752053]

>>14751730
Not the guy you replied too but fuck off. How is mentioning the fact there is contention, which supports his arguement, by the way possibly cringe?

[Anonymous No.14752286]

>>14746193
Love how the midwit who made this tried to secularise it
“The universe” lmao

[Anonymous No.14752314]

>>14746017
Best of both worlds.
>t. Gamer (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.14752329]

>>14752053
everything is cringe when you're a malignant narcissist

[Anonymous No.14752339]

>>14746193
>muh INFJ Plato vs ENTJ Aristotle

[Anonymous No.14752344]

>>14746009
Plato's work resonate more with me.

[Anonymous No.14752350]

>>14747478
kek based Wagner

[Anonymous No.14752355]

>>14747478
>he had a big fight with Wagner after the latter accused him of being a coomer
Hahaha lmao for real?

[Anonymous No.14752394]

>>14752355
It's a very memetic description but not completely wrong.
90% of Nietzsche is cope for being a failed coomer, a failed artist and a failed scientist.

[Anonymous No.14752437]

> Aristotelian

Imagine being unable to apprehend the unity behind all things.

[Anonymous No.14752465]

>>14752437
>not realizing that Aristotelianism leads to belief in the Absolute metaphysical form which necessarily has to comprise of every individual person and thing that has ever lived and will live

[Anonymous No.14752518]

>>14747472
>Daily Reminder that Plato was the single greatest mind in human history.
Thats not how you spell Pythagoras