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>read Hegel
>go crazy
Is PoS the irl Necronomicon?

>> No.14726784
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>>14726631
You were crazy to read him in the first place.

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>>14726631
Yes, it's pretty crazy. The Preface alone made me worry that speculative philosophy was going to break my brain so that I couldn't think in ratiocinative thoughts anymore, and I'd have to relearn everything I've been taught in life before I could express myself normally to other humans again. I lay in bed that night and experienced involuted and illogical thought cycles, which I interpreted as my resistance to the Notion of Science, worrying about whether it was really possible to experience the Absolute via thought, and if so, what exactly would happen when I did it (maybe I'd die, wake up from the Matrix, etc.).

>> No.14727308

>>14726784
Perhaps
>>14727026
The only time I understood Hegel fully was in the depths of psychosis...

>> No.14727465

>>14727026
This image is fucking wonderful

>> No.14727751

>>14726631
Geist is daimonic

>> No.14727847

>>14726631
As it turns out, the Spirit getting to know itself is boring as fuck.

>> No.14727908

I don't know how anyone could think Hegel is crazy. Deleuze specifically characterizes him as being simply another thinker within the greater Christian tradition. He is operating within the same ideals, simply expressed in a different way

>> No.14727921

>>14726631
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA THE CONTRADICTIONS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA THE OPPOSING FORCES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAANE

>> No.14727969

>>14727908
Deleuze was even more of a schizo nutjob than Hegel.

>> No.14727973

>>14727908
Deleuze also hates Witty. I love Hegel and Witty *and* Deleuze. Idk. Love the man but his opinions are certainly not infallible.

>> No.14727978

>>14727026
I CLOSE MY EYES AND SEIZE IT

>> No.14728002

>>14727969
Exactly. That's what I am trying to imply. Hegel is just the tip of the iceberg.

>> No.14728020

>>14728002
Lacan is possibly as crazy as Deleuze. And then you get the lacanian neo-hegelian stuff. Me likey. And Guatarri is criminally underrated in his own regard. Both him and D are hard to assimilate which is part of their perennial appeal. But what's your point? If it makes you feel better Hegel initiated the psych break but Deleuze was perhaps the peak -- or Land... and this was well before the memes

>> No.14728040

>>14728020
Deleuze specifically says that Hegel did not initiated such a "break." If anything that was nietzsche according to him

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>>14726631

>> No.14728046

>>14728002
What make Hegel unique is that he was the first of his particular species of pseudophilosophical con artist. Basically, he noticed that Kant was repected despite the fact 99% of the public had no idea what he was talking about. So Hegel adopted Kant's cryptic prose style without actually adding anything of philosophical substance. Thus began the tradition of obscurantist charlatans that continues to the present day.

>> No.14728059

>>14728040
>>14728020
>>14728002
>>14727908
>>14726784
Notice how pseuds talk about their favourite philosophers... "He's crazy!" "He's Schizo!", etc. It is a sad game to try and excentuate the insanity and absurdity of the philosopher. But why does the psud do this? Because they understand nothing of what they read! So they need to respond to it in such a matter as to justify their lack of comprehension: the philosopher being "crazy", the philosopher being "obscure", "schizo", etc. etc.

>> No.14728063

>>14728046
What are you actually talking about. This has been going on *forever*. Half of plato’s stuff is Socrates blowing out people who only pretend to know what their talking about and use fancy language to cover it up.

>> No.14728068

>>14728046
Don't be mad that he was neck deep in German hermeticism which carries the torch from ancient Egypt. He was merely trying to demonstrate what an all-knowing mind can deduce.

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>>14726631
In his Geist in the Universalstaat, Dead Hegel waits, memeing.

>> No.14728075

>>14728059
The point of this thread is debating if Hegel is more cryptic than others. No one is saying he is any better as a result. Considering you can't even digest a 4chan post, I can surprised you have such opinions though.

>> No.14728087

>>14728063
Those people are not part of the canon, though. Hegel actually weaseled his way into the highest tier of respectability. He opened the door to the flood of bullshit artists that followed.

>> No.14728114

>>14727026
>>14727308
Yeah can we talk about the links between Hegel and psychosis? I had a psychotic break made worse with psychedelic use when I was younger, and a year or two later starting dipping my toes into Hegel and nearly relapsed because it started to feel like he was slowly letting the reader start to understand something that felt terrifyingly similar to thing(s) I experienced in the full swing of the break. I've digested it by now and have been fine for years but I've always been curious about whether I was just going ape mode or if others have recognized some kind of relevancy between the two

>> No.14728145

What is a label similar to “Hegelian” that basically means nothing?

>> No.14728157

>>14726631
My only encounter with Hegel is reading an analysis of his in a book on transcendence in the modern world. Shit fucked with my head. I felt like an uninitiated dabbling in dark arts. Fuck that guy.

>> No.14728167

>>14726631
Haha! It's le funny /lit/ meme #3! Let's have a good HEGEL time, guys, hehe!

>> No.14728171

>>14728069
Hegel was black metal.

>> No.14728202

>>14728114
This I'm interested in this?

>> No.14728207

>>14728043
Hegel was a sorcerer and the Left and Right being lobotomized bastard children of Liberalism and Conservativsm don’t get this. He advocated for a supreme divine state much like the Reich or the USSR’s plans for Europe and so you can take his insights and use them to justify extreme statism or some kind of techno-socialist autarchy. Right Hegelians focus on his dealings with Spirit, Leftists focus mostly on the Dialectic itself and try to secularize that as some type of silent-pneumatic machinery that drives history towards class conflict and communist statism. They’re both insane and Hegel’s phenomenology is a form of memetic psychoactive agent that binds the minds of everyone who reads it. Its venom, pure necrotizing linguistic magic. He was a genius for this reason. Also if you’re not an autistic retard he basically shows you how the techno-alchemical engineers of civilization are transforming humanity into a sacrificial killing field for otherworldly forces but that’s not interesting to rightists or leftists because they’re castrati golem creatures who only exist to poke holes in the barrier between man’s conscious rational awareness and his subconscious cthonic realm. If you wait long enough Hegel’s name will come up in most discussions by these groups. He’s the root of all their lunacy.

>> No.14728213

>>14728207
Most of Western philosophy is hermetic occultism.

>> No.14728273

>>14728207
Unironically, are there any critiques that approach hegel this way? The endless debate over whether he meant anything at all or not and the diversity of proponents from each side makes me think that at least someone has framed it as something like a memetic virus that warps your judgement once understood and/or adopted. Maybe a clearer way to phrase this would be a critique that studies Hegelian philosophy as an object in and of itself and considers its psychological and social effects as an existing position within the canon

>> No.14728334

>>14728087
He didn't open anything. Rousseau was the first irl shitposter, HE opened the gates to French larping philosophers whose senseless bullshit we are still trying to recover from

>> No.14728344

>>14728334
how can you say that when a bunch of early German romantics ate his work up like Jesus. (Schiller, Novalis, Heine)

>> No.14728472

>>14728334
What? Rousseau wrote fairly clearly and intelligibly, whether you agree with him or not. One of the last decent French philosophers.

>> No.14728473

>>14727908
Yeah but we need to remember Deleuze is speaking from the dark side of the moon and what he calls another entry into the Christian tradition is actually in its historical context fairly revolutionary

>> No.14728725

>>14726631
https://discord.gg/hCjX58e

>> No.14729097

>>14728273
On Hegel - A Study in Sorcery byVoegelin goes somewhat in that direction.

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>>14727026
My sides

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>>14728207
What are your thoughts on transhumanism? It is possible to achieve without martyrdom? Perhaps a Satoshi Nakamoto for humanity? Your description of the “red vs blue” politics is inspiring to say the least.

>> No.14729291

>>14728207
what the fuck

>> No.14729456

>>14728040
I'm talking about my own psychotic break, not squabbles over history.

>> No.14729462

Yes, Hegel prose is actually an attempt at neurolinguistic programming rather than philosophy.

>> No.14729478

>>14728207
Dostoevsky read Hegel. His pan-slavism was then to set up such a divine state, but an Orthodox one, instead of a Communist one? Any speculative fiction in how would that have played out?

>> No.14729488

>>14729478
Read Solovyov -- he was Dostoy's gateway to Hegel.

>> No.14729510

>>14728202
>>14728114
Hegel and Deleuze and other process philosophers or philosophers who emphasize becoming are extremely reminiscent of the psychedelic experience

>> No.14729618

>>14728167
Hey Arthur

>> No.14729708

>>14727026
Read Kierkegaard

>> No.14729719

>>14729510
Who continues this line of thought in the present? Are there are any explicitly psychedelic postpostmodernists?

>> No.14729744

>>14728273
Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition
Marx and Satan

>> No.14729745

Test