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14721361 No.14721361 [Reply] [Original]

Where are all the Guenon(pbuh) posters? Where is the light that guided /lit/?

All of Guénon's (pbuh) books

Traditionalist-affiliated blog that hosts many of Guénon's (pbuh) letters

Resource for different Traditionalist authors with links to their writings such as journal articles

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>> No.14721369

Alright i'll bite
What's this guy's deal

>> No.14721378

okay guenonfag

>> No.14721380

did ever smash baggin' pussy

>> No.14721383

it's like bruh all religions are saying the same thing! let's change our names to muslim names and larp as daoists who hate buddha

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>What's this guy's deal

glad you asked

“René Guénon (pbuh) defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

“Guénon (pbuh) established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon (pbuh), taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

“René Guénon (pbuh) was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon (pbuh) who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s (pbuh) work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

“René Guénon (pbuh) is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

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“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon (pbuh) had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions

“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon (pbuh). At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon (pbuh), virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition

“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon (pbuh) displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum

“Guénon’s (pbuh) mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy

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based baste base

>> No.14722118

Literally discount Plotinian cosmology right there

>> No.14722874

toasting in epic bread.

>> No.14722884

oh haii there g*nonfag (piss be upon him)

>> No.14722886

>oh shit my threads gonna be archived!
>*reset IP*
>hehe now its good for another 3 hours!

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these pointless threads are just being auto bumped at this point

>haha based, based thread, holy based bros

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ʿAbd al-Wāḥid Yaḥyá (pbuh) is the first uncreated poster in this thread.

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>The One yet Many Guénons (pbuh) of this World

>> No.14722918

Guénon is gay as fuck and islam is retarded. He looks like a total dope too.

>> No.14722930

give me an epub of crisis of the modern world right now

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Essentially, cultivate virtue, and find a way to get on a perpetuity or life time annuity, or disability payment, and then fly somewhere where you can marry an illiterate wife and live the rest of your life in peace and contemplation without having to work. Peace be upon René-Jean-Marie-Joseph-Marcus-Augustinus Guénon, true King of France.

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>Poster finally recognizes Pbuh's claim to the throne

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>true King of France
holy based....

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>Thread finally getting real
Supra Based!

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>that guy on the right of Guenon (pbuh)
wow. didn't know Ben Shapiro was muslim.

>> No.14723078

/shitposting/ general.

>> No.14723116

That cosmology comes from the Upanishads and predates Plotinus by almost a thousand years, and predates Plato as well. Plotinus is a late-comer to the game my friend.

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>then fly somewhere where you can marry an illiterate wife
What such places are currently available in the world? I have a gift for languages passed down from Guenon (pbuh) so that wouldn't be a problem.

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Chad has the lowest female literacy rate in the world.

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Based Guénon!!!!

Can I get some yous for a fellow Guénon poster (pbuh)

>> No.14723210

Oh Pajeet, you don't get it. that diagram is actually wrong, being is fifth, the fourth doesn't truly exist, the third is the world soul, second is the intellect, and the first is the absolute. You wouldn't understand why.

>> No.14723255

Monsieur la Guenon's monkeying around amuses me.

>> No.14723259

What a weeze!

>> No.14723267

I can't take seriously the cosmology of someone who failed to attain permanent union with the One while living anyway so that's okay

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Guenon is a neo-vedantist. Neo-vedanta is a ripoff of Buddhism, which is why it's called crypto-buddhism by most Hindus and all mainstream scholarship. Pic related.

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all the three major schools of Indian buddhism, i.e. the Yogachara, Madhyamaka and the proto-Theravada Sarvastivada have all been refuted for having incoherent ideas and inconsistent/flawed logic, pic related. The great Śaṅkarācārya summarized the nonsensical nature of Buddhism in a timeless passage in one of his works that still rings true today

>"From whatever new points of view the Buddha's system is tested with reference to its probability, it gives way on all sides, like the walls of a well, dug in sandy soil. It has, in fact, no foundation whatever to rest upon and hence the attempts to use it as a guide in the practical concerns of life are mere folly. Moreover Buddha, by propounding the three mutually contradicting systems, teaching respectively the reality of the external world, the reality of ideas only and general nothingness, has himself made it clear that he was a man given to make incoherent assertions or else that hatred of all beings induced him to propound absurd doctrines by accepting which they would become thoroughly confused…Buddha’s doctrine has to be entirely disregarded by all those who have a regard for their own happiness."

- Brahma Sutra Bhasya 2.2.32.

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Guenon(pbuh) is so based! Wooooo

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>The great Śaṅkarācārya

you mean the guy most hindus and scholars see as a crypto-buddhist?

weird that he refuted buddhism since most hindus and most scholars say he copied the entire framework of mahayana buddhism and simply added "atman" at the end. i guess that means he refuted himself

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>The great Śaṅkarācārya summarized the nonsensical nature of Buddhism in a timeless passage in one of his works that still rings true today
Holy based...

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>the 'great' Shankarapracchanabuddhacharya (plagiarism be upon him) didn't copy budd-

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i love how the knowledge that advaita is crypto-buddhist is spreading on /lit/ now, advaitafags are some of the most pushy evangelicals about their neovedanta hare krishna bullshit and they absolutely hate being reminded of shankara's copy-paste of buddhism. it's the antidote to their pseudo-religion.

I'm impressed by how many /lit/fags know advaita is heterodoxy.

>> No.14723517

Muslim here, form the middle east. Are you people actually Muslim? Do you pray (including Friday in Mosque), fast (Ramathan), give zakat (charity)?

>> No.14723523

Monsieur la Guenon's monkeying around amuses me

>> No.14723527

Sufis don't have to do any of that. They can if they want to but it's optional. Those things are the contingent, traditional elements of the religion. What really matters is the metaphysical knowledge at its core, which is the same for Hinduism and Islam ultimately.

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Of course not.

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>Sufis don't have to do any of that
it's ok guenonfag, we know you're a rabid hindu nationalists who can't come to terms with your literary father figure rejecting Advaita for Islam, keep believing these obvious falsehoods that Sufism isn't bound by the Quran or is some Islamic interpretation of Vedanta.

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>posting retroactively refuted claims

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>posting more retroactively refuted content

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translation: doing the hard parts is too much effort, i'll just read the book and god will reward me the same.

the fact that you can reinterpret the quran , eliminate all the demands, and start your own sectors makes the whole enterprise a joke.

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>posting even more retroactively refuted content

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>Sufis don't have to do any of that, its optional

>> No.14723566

>Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
> And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
>And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
>Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
>Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
>Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
>Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
>Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
>For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
>But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
>When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
>For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
>And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Retroactively refuted by St. Paul.

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I love how the logical conclusion of guenonfag's shitposting was that he just posts textwall screenshots back and forth to himself. After three years of accomplishing nothing, he's finally reached his fully evolved form.

Pic related is the only screenshot you need if you want to understand Guenon.

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>Buddhism is just a rip-of of the Upanish-

This picture exposes why a few Buddhists are so autistic about spamming incorrect claims that Shankara stole from Buddhism, it's because they know that Buddha himself is guilty of this and so they want to muddy the water and take all the attention off of the true theft, which was when Buddha ripped his whole scheme from the early Upanishads predating him

"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Buddhist had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them."

- Rene Guenon (pbuh)

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I'll post this one on top of yours, its the very first infograph exposing his insanity when his threads were being deleted after Kantposter drove him mad.

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nice, I also like this one.

>> No.14723610

"that is some nice thick feminine cum

i'd eat that with a spoon"

- Rene Guenon (pbuh)

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I miss that fella, truly a genius among midwits (posting this pic in his honor)

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Posting best one. This is like a forensic reconstruction of his insanity.

>> No.14723666

>">Buddhism is just a rip-of of the Upanish-"
lmao add this to the number of freudian slips this wiki-scholar has made

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>> No.14723678

Holy Based!

>> No.14723687

based basedbros

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The BU never made a definitive statement that reincarnation/soul transmigration was possible, it was merely posited as a theory but not as the truth while Shankara himself denies that Brahman ever transmigrates to begin with. Gotama Buddha never denied the Atta, rather, denied the aggregates of the status of the Self. Original Presectarian Buddhism didn't survive by the time Gaudapada came along. Unfortunately barely anyone understands Pali outside the commentaries that misinterpreted and oversimplified key Buddhist terminology like anatta/atta, citta, samma, jhana, attha, avijja/vijja, etc., due to people like Buddhagosa downgraded Samma into mere 'right' when it is much more than 'right' since samsammabuddha doesn't mean right right Buddha. Neither bhava nor vibhava is a refuge. Ultimately the best of Presectarian Buddhism was revived through Advaita, but that monophysite nondualism failed to elaborate upon physics which the Platonists and Neoplatonists perfected while the West using Plato's Timaeus as a general guide for creativity and experimentation had advanced physical science up to harnessing the force of nature itself as electricity and magnetism, a feat never accomplished from the East besides the Baghdad battery. In the end, even Ananda Kentish Coomaraswamy(Anglicanization of Kumaraswami) looked towards the West. His contributions in geology dare I say, is more from his British side rather than his Tamil side. Why did the Greeks lead Europa to greatness while the Indians basically did nothing but infighting and religious syncretism spawning the likes of Sikhism and cucking to Islam? Who knows, probably because the West merely accumulated more good karma to focus more upon manifesting the good although globally we're all fucked in this era, both modern Greeks and Indians are materialistic and screwed themselves up.

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>The BU never made a definitive statement that reincarnation/soul transmigration was possible, it was merely posited as a theory but not as the truth while Shankara himself denies that Brahman ever transmigrates to begin with

That's wrong though, the following passages from the Brihadaranyaka talk about transmigration and clearly say it's what happens at death:

>"Then the self becomes endowed with a particular consciousness and passes on to the body to be attained by that consciousness. "Knowledge, work and past experience follow the self.
>"And just as a leech moving on a blade of grass reaches its end, takes hold of another and draws itself together towards it, so does the self, after throwing off this body, that is to say, after making it unconscious, take hold of another support and draw itself together towards it.
>"And just as a goldsmith takes a small quantity of gold and fashions out of it another—a newer and better—form, so does the self, after throwing off this body, that is to say, after making it unconscious, fashion another—a newer and better—form, suited to the Manes, or the gandharvas, or the gods, or Viraj, or Hiranyagarbha, or other beings
>"Regarding this there is the following verse: "Because of attachment, the transmigrating self, together with its work, attains that result to which its subtle body or mind clings. Having exhausted in the other world the results of whatever work it did in this life, it returns from that world to this world for fresh work.’ "Thus does the man who desires transmigrate. But as to the man who does not desire—who is without desire, who is freed from desire, whose desire is satisfied, whose only object of desire is the Self—his organs do not depart. Being Brahman, he merges in Brahman.

Shankara himself denied that Atma/Brahman transmigrates but in his Brihadaranyaka and Brahma Sutra commentaries and other works he clearly states that subtle body transmigrates, which is how it occurs. Also I'm sorry to say this Ken but Coomaraswamy didn't fully understand Shankara and made some mistakes about Advaita in his essay 'The One and Only Transmigrant', or at the very least was extremely sloppy in how he phrased things. This is detailed in the book "The Problem of Evil and Indian Thought" if you would like to know more,

>but that monophysite nondualism failed to elaborate upon physics which the Platonists and Neoplatonists perfected while the West
such as?

> general guide for creativity and experimentation had advanced physical science up to harnessing the force of nature itself as electricity and magnetism,
Yes, but they got themselves cucked out of existence by the Christians, it seems that they got distracted and spent too much time in devoting themselves to experiments involving the ephemeral and transient rather than focusing on the eternal as the Indians did and as a consequence were erased from history as a living tradition while the Indian traditions are still thriving.

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>> No.14723930

First poetry attempt inspired by the light of Guenon (pbuh). I hope fellow brothers share their work too.

fuck a trad hoe like im Guenon
(pbuh) supremely based like im Guenon
(pbuh) eternally retroactive refutation
btfo whitehead, (pbuh) the magician

>> No.14723934

Holy based, where can I read more about guenon?

>> No.14723937

Start with Introduction to the Hindu Doctrine.

>> No.14723952

Can someone link me their Guenon(pbuh) discords please? I want to see if there are any good ones.

>> No.14724003

>samefagging saying based to pictures that have already been refuted
yikes, buddhists everyone

>> No.14724018

Supra based


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>guenonfag now has to reply "based" to his detractors so he can samefag his own "based" posts to say "Yikes not very based!" to them
>after literally 3 years of samefagging "Based!" replies to his own posts unironically >>14722901

How many hours of your fucking life have you spent on this shit for real nigga? You are the best thing about this board, you actually eclipsed Butterfly

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all those pictures spammed by butthurt buddhists were refuted and it was shown in fact that all the ideas of Buddhism appear first in the early Upanishads, from whence they were taken

>> No.14724039

based posts


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>plagiarism be upon him

>> No.14724121

hello? based department??

>> No.14724163

very based

very cringe

>> No.14724237

What is the best orthodox way to worship Rene Guenon (pbuh)?

>> No.14724256

well if guenon's #1 follower frithjof schuon was any indicator, you should start molesting kids in bloomington indiana

>On October 11th 1991, Frithjof Schuon, the leader of an international religious order, was indicted on the felony charge of child molestation. committed under "cult pressure and influence". The indictment, passed down by a five member Grand Jury, headed by Lucy Cherbas, stated:
>"that Frithjof Schuon... did perform fondling or touching [on three girls] 15 years of age, 14 years of age and 13 years of age, respectively, with the intent to arouse or satisfy sexual desires of Frithjof Schuon, in violation of I.C. 35-42 43. [And that] said persons were compelled to submit to touching by force or imminent threat of force, to wit: by undue cult influences and cult pressures, in violation of 35-42-4-8."

>Jesus Garcia Varela, a high ranking inner circle member of the cult, had been investigated by the Louisville Police in 1991 for nude photos of his 2 young daughters. He escaped prosecution of this episode by claiming that it was a common practice in Spain to visually record a girl's puberty.

>Michael Fitzgerald's son was present at the Gatherings. The boy, then perhaps 14, had been made to watch his mother and her sister, Jennifer Casey, dance nude for Schuon at one of the Gatherings.

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You need to build a perennialist altar for proper orthodox perennial worship. Just buy some religious symbols from your local places of worship and stack them all together along with a portrait of Guenon. Also start celebrating chosen holidays from all of the various religions.

>> No.14724309

Write some poetry.

Some more poetry from me:

fuck a trad hoe like im Guenon
(pbuh) supremely based like im Guenon
(pbuh) eternally retroactive refutation
btfo whitehead, (pbuh) the magician

Hylics seething, brothers reading
giga-Guenonchads (pbuh) breeding
Traditionalists in a ranch
All hail Guenon(pbuh), the rightful roi of France

Please post your work brothers!

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>> No.14724350

Hello????? Based department????

>> No.14724389

>That's wrong though
>ignores all the other non transmigratory analogies that gets to the same idea of disobjectification to the material body
There is no definitive declaration that transmigration is what is going on, it merely assumes it in analogy. Also, neither Rigveda nor Arthavaveda talks about it.

"The earliest extant Upanishads date roughly from the middle of the 1st millennium" - Encyclopedia Britannica

Oral traditions ultimately don't count and neither does butthurt Advaitins that push the date back as far as they feel like it via unsubstantiated dogmatic truth claim without evidence. Shankara's commentaries try to retroactively inject reincarnation as a theory that always existed in Indian thought. I basically agree with everything that stupid Nagarjunafag talks about the claims of Advaita being cryptobuddhism but of course Nagarjunafag's conclusions that Nirvana is Samsara is laughably retarded to say the least. You do realize that I was the one who recommended people here to read that Karl H. Popper book. Shankara however never ever was exposed to Original Buddhism, while all of his criticism against latter day sects are indeed correct, insofar as their claims of Buddhism are wrong but then his conclusion that all of Buddhism to be wrong is itself wholly wrong. Of course I seriously don't care about anything else in Buddhism other than the five nikayas, all the other stuff is sectarian garbage. I am not Ken Wheeler and anyone who says they are on any imageboard simply doesn't know him well enough and are merely projecting.

>Indian traditions are still thriving
India has never been in such a state ever before because "India" is a British conception, "India" was a bunch of empires rising and falling of more than six different races of people with one invading race that domesticated the Dravidians which Indian independence and bureaucracy really fucked that up for good with DESIGNATED SHITTING STREETS.

>Greeks cucked out of existence
>ignoring Advaita's own internal cult-like behavior and psychopathic damage control on truth claims
Meanwhile in the "Dark Ages" up to the early 1800's, the rich and powerful were taught how to think using Greek metaphysics, all the scientists behind electrical theory who knew something had read the Greeks.

>> No.14724398

So based, I am in tears.

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Guénon - the Truth, the Light never-ending,
All things are known to him,
His Word, with eternity blending,
Gnosis passing onto the dim;
Vanquishes He maya as a mere trifle,
Verily, peace be upon Him.

>> No.14724469

I would believe in advaita if it outright banned the worship of pictures and instituted the death penalty for it. The practice is outright repulsive and no true religion can condone it.

>> No.14724576

Extremely based.

Please brothers more poetry, fiction and essays. We need submissions for the magazine. Send to [email protected] or post here.

>> No.14724667

The one true religion has no institution, it merely has a following among the curious few, hated by all else for the profane cannot penetrate as to what it is. It doesn't do works of charity, it merely generously work in philanthropic abundance. No attempt to convert others is done, so of course no images are used for venerating that bodily vessel that is bound to death, yet at the same time there's no attempt to stop the fools for being foolish against their foolish desires despite explaining them once as to why it is a waste of time. It is foolish to pursue the the attention of fools for gain of any sort.

>> No.14724747

Where do i start with Guenon ?

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Based... Follow this chart, brother. You can also start with the ~100 page long 'The Crisis of the Modern World'.
May Guenon (pbuh) bless you with his radiant light...

>> No.14725136

I got you stuck off the realness, we be the gnosis
You heard of us, official non-dual murderers
The Trads comes equipped for memetic warfare, beware
Of my autodidact family who got nuff tomes to share
For all of those, who wanna profile and pose
Retroactively refute your favorite philosopher, make you give on your former role as their expositor
You all alone in these threads, hylic
Every man for they self on this board we be postin
And keep them shook pseuds running, like they supposed to
They spam pastas but they never come close to realization
I can see it inside your face, you're in the wrong thread and finna get an education
Buddhists like you just get they religion laced up
With retroactive refutations and such
Speak the wrong words man and you will get debunked
You can put your whole Guenonfag screencap collection against my team and
I guarantee you I'll be the very last one postin
Your modernist assumptions just don't move me, you're minor, we're major
You're all up in the debate and don't deserve to be a poster
Don't make me have to call your maya-based delusions out
Your theory is refuted, my Guenon (pbuh) quotes make you hesitate
I'm only eternal and unborn but my mind is old
And when the things get for real Brahman dawns in my heart removing the cold
Another Process philosopher destroyed, another story gets told
It ain't nothing really, hey, yo dun spark the opium
So I can get my mind off these duplicitous materialists
Why they still posting I don't know, go figure
Meanwhile back on the Guenonian discord the realness and foundation
If I attain fanāʾ I couldn't choose a better location
When Shankarcharya's arguments penetrate Buddhists feel a burning sensation
Getting closer to Allah (swt) in a tight situation
Now, take these words hylic and think it through
Or the next rhyme I write might be about you

>> No.14725164


why is his face so long

>> No.14725179

Why the fuck do you say "pbuh" after you say Guenon? What does that mean??

>> No.14725182

>imagine having an iq like this guy

>> No.14725236

walahi you fucking retard faggot shut the fuck up if you have nothing to contribute about Guenon (pbuh) I swear I would spit on you if I ever saw you in public don't ever insult him again

>> No.14725256


he's like a horse

it gets longer every time I see a new photo of him

>> No.14725323

please leave the thread. this thread is for real discussion.

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Holy based... Brothers... I am in awe...

1 The Buddhists answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are an Advaitin and have a demon?” 2 Guénon answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honour Brahman the Atman, and you dishonour me. 3 Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the Knower. 4 Verily, verily, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” 5 The Buddhists said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Shankara died, as did the Jivanmuktas, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ 6 Are you greater than our father Shankara, from whom we borrowed and changed his teaching, who died? And the Jivanmuktas died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” 7 Guénon answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is Brahman who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is your God.’ 8 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 9 Your father Shankaracharya, peace be upon him, rejoiced that he would see my retroactive refutation. He saw it and was glad.” 10 So the Buddhists said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Shankara?” 11 Guénon said to them, “Verily, verily, I say to you, before Adi Shankaracharya was, I AM.” 12 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Guénon hid himself and went out of the Ashram.

>> No.14725527

That’s a bit too much.

>> No.14725573

he's boring af to read. skip him and instead read Evola.

>> No.14725609

You got it backwards. Evola has midwit physiognomy too.

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Extremely Based.
So many seething hylics in this thread being BTFO and refuted by Guenon (pbuh).

>> No.14725617

epic and upvoted!

>> No.14725632

Peace, Blessings, of Deum Omnipotentum, and all the Saints Be Upon Him.

>> No.14725646

Supra based!

Guenon, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Gue-----non: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Gue. Non. Pip pip pip. He was One, plain One, in the morning, standing four feet ten before his two foot face. He was Tao in robes. He was Parmenides at life. He was Zeno on the dotted line. But in my mind he was always Guenon. Did he have a precursor? He did, indeed he did. In point of fact, there might have been no Guenon at all had I not initiated, one summer, an initial retroactive initiation. In a doctrine by the sea. Oh when? About as many years before Guenon was born as my age was that summer. You can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose style. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, exhibit number one is what the seraphs, the misinformed, simple, noble-winged seraphs, the Whiteheadians, envied. Look at this tangle of thorns.

>> No.14726187

Evola is just Guenon for /pol/ midwits

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Guenon (virgin)
>Anon, it's over, you should join an irrelevant islamic sect that's for sandniggers
Evola (chad)
>Anon, the golden age is right around the corner! Take up the sword and fight for Western Civilization!

>> No.14726687

hello Guenonfags, can someone tell me the significance of his dream about falling in a ditch or whatever in the woods only to be rescued by some turban wearing sandnigger who turned out to be that Sufi dude?

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>>Anon, it's over, you should join an irrelevant islamic sect that's for sandniggers


>Those who might be tempted to give way to despair should realize that nothing accomplished in this order can ever be lost, that confusion, error and darkness can win the day only apparently and in a purely ephemeral way, that all partial and transitory disequilibrium must perforce contribute towards the greater equilibrium of the whole, and that nothing can ultimately prevail against the power of truth.

- عبد الواحد يحي

>>the golden age is right around the corner
>>take up the sword and fight
>implying the masses can bring about the Satya Yuga by material action

>It is true that the masses have always been led in one manner or another, and it could be said that their part in history consists primarily in allowing themselves to be led, since they represent a merely passive element, a “matter” in the Aristotelian sense of the word. But, to lead them today, it is sufficient to dispose of purely material means, … and this shows clearly to what depths our age has sunk. At the same time the masses are made to believe that they are not being led, but that they are acting spontaneously and governing themselves, and the fact that they believe this is a sign from which the extent of their stupidity may be inferred.

- عبد الواحد يحي

لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا ٱللَّٰهُ

>> No.14726696

nice cope gay retard

>> No.14726698

Based, I change my mind now, Evola is the virgin and Guenon (pbuh) is the Chad

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ultimately Guenon preached a cowardly retreat inwards and that's the bottom line

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t. seething hylic who draws retroactively btfo and retroactively refuted paintings

t. seething satanic hylic who does not understand spiritual and temporal power

>> No.14726726

one can spot a samefag a mile away

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Retroactively BTFO'd by Rene Guenon (pbuh).

Very cringe.

Very based.

>> No.14726750

stop samefagging anon, it's very tiresome
add him to the list >>14726726

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Holy based... One can refute so much degeneracy merely by using just these two quotes... How can a single man be so based?

>> No.14726768

I will make it my life mission to retroactively refute Guenon because of this samefagging nigger on /lit/

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>refute Guenon
What folly. Truly a fool's errand.
Guenon (pbuh) is retroactively eternal and retroactively irrefutable.


t. infra-intellectual hylics.

>> No.14726788

he converted to a sandnigger religion. his IQ was not as high as he believed it was and can easily be refuted. remember, his final words were "I fuggedup"

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Retroactively refuted by René Guénon (pbuh).

>> No.14726837

Utterly based!!!!!

samefagging Guenonfag BTFO'D holy shit!

>> No.14727456

>The man has children
Unlike Neechay. amirite?

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>When speaking of divergence in the west in relation to the east, which has become increasingly marked in modern times, we said that we did not think that this divergence could go on developing indefinitely, in spite of all appearances. In other words, it seems difficult to believe that the west, both in respect to its mentality and all its characteristic tenancies, can continue to draw further and further away from the east, as it is now doing, without sooner or later calling forth a reaction which might, under certain circumstances, have the happiest results; indeed such an uninterrupted divergence seems to us all the more unlikely since the realm within which modern Western civilisation is developing is, by its very nature, the most restricted of any.

Has Guenon prophesied the upcoming of the Traditionalist Zoomer revolution?
To all my bros here who actually like Guenon and aren't just larping

>> No.14727485

- Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines

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Based. Many zoomers are indeed waking up.
I unironically gave my 16yo sister his Crisis of the Modern World and she enjoyed it. Even girls are starting to see the Guenonian truth.
As Guenon said, nothing can ultimately prevail against the power of truth.

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>> No.14727587


>implying Guenon is cringe
Not very based of you...

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He looks like one those long nose cats looking at a main lense of a camera.

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>> No.14727655

rent free

Seethe more /pol/ack. You should be supporting Pan-Eurasianism and Pan-Anti-Americanism.
"Sanddniggers" will be more than happy to help you shit on America, the only reason they have flooded europe is because of American and Zionist Imperialism, if you help Arabs annihilate Israel and America then they can go back to the Middle East and You guys can have your Europe back.

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>> No.14728352

nope, the world belongs to America

>> No.14728357

Of course it does Moshe, how couldn't it when it has best allies money can buy

>> No.14728375

>t. seething shitskin

>> No.14728381

Okay Guenonfag

>> No.14728382

>A w*man who can read

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Based Guénon (pbuh) knows the way Brothers. Lift up thy burdens and follow the path he has set before us. I'm glad to be able to benefit a Guénon (phub) thread.

>> No.14728400

im not sure whats funnier. The anti-guenonfags larping as guenonfag (The ones who add pbuh to every mention of his name).
Or the genuine anti-guenon anti-islam stormniggers/materialists who are seething over these larp threads getting constantly bumped by larpers.

I have some friends irl who like Guenon and they see through subversion like this straight away, i feel sorry for faggets who get all of their knowledge from /lit/

>> No.14728462

>I have some friends irl who like Guenon
Holy based (pbuh)...

>> No.14728495

I had a dream where Guenon wanted to suck my cock. I told him no and instead ended up playing wheelchair badminton with Evola.

>> No.14728722

>he can't tell that only a fraction of the "guenonfags" are joking and a lot of it is actually just guenonfag

i guess you've never seen his favorite maneuver in action, the one where he pretends to be an unrelated third party but then rushes to "guenonfag's" (his own) defense inexplicably like "This Guenonposter sounds like a rad dude..."

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Is that you, EmpLemon?

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>> No.14729754

The Guenon(pbuh) magazine only has three (3) submissions. Brothers, please actually write shit.

>> No.14729791

>The Guenon(pbuh) magazine only has three (3) submissions
and its all from you

>> No.14729799

Apologies brother. I never mean to disappoint Guenon (pbuh) by not keeping his memory alive through writing. I shall repent and submit something promptly.

>> No.14730254

There are more, brother...
I will get inspired and write some poems too, brothers.

>> No.14730273

Based... Just exactly how Based is René Guénon (pbuh)?

>> No.14730428

absolutely based
Guenon is garbage and so is this thread

>> No.14730474

i assume she is not a woman yet, so it's fine.

>> No.14731159

>people actually reading Guenon

>> No.14731184

the numbers of the Guenon (pbuh) brotherhood increases daily by a substantial amount

>> No.14731191

Based... We need to open up a monastery for our brothers to come in and discuss his works.

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Very based.

>Guenon is garbage and so is this thread

>> No.14731237

where is the ideal location?

>> No.14731255
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In the East, in the land over where the Sun first shines. We must return to the origin of Wisdom.

>> No.14731261

ah yes, I am a fan of Virginia myself

>> No.14731273

New York City? think about it, a traditional monastery in the heart of Manhattan. it could be like the top 4 floors of a skyscraper

>> No.14731279

The only tradwives nowadays are trapwives

>> No.14731282

Very based...

>> No.14731291

Guenonposter, I have to tell you that I love you (no homo).
Thank you for introducing me to the light of Guenon.

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Based thread.

>> No.14731313

Thank you anon, could you write us a poem in honour of Guenon(pbuh)?

>> No.14731358

Sure brother... I dedicate this poem to Guenon (pbuh) and his disciples.

Like a wandering Jew,
Far from my homeland in the materialist desert was I a slave,
But you led me out to the sweet Traditional dew.

Like Moses (pbuh) did your face shine with Gnosis,
Like Allah (swt) did you lead me from torture,
Like Jesus (pbuh) did you teach me love,
Like Adam (pbuh) knowledge did you possess,

An eternal covenant I accept from you...
Oh, Guenon (pbuh), I pledge allegiance to you...

>> No.14731583

Guenonfag, I love you unironically. Never stop doing your thing, you're actually improving this shit board. Salaam

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>> No.14731658

Based, Guenonfag is the hero /lit/ needs

>> No.14731693

but not the one it deserves

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What did Guenon think on the matter of the age of the world?
I know he was extremely based when denying evolution and affirming the existence of lycanthropy, but did he hold the correct opinion about our Earth's age?

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Based... I am tearing up right now, brothers...

>> No.14731923

why do I barely see any of you call Abd al-Wāḥid Yaḥyá by his real name?
are you Islamophobic or something?
quit deadnaming

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One should not take (H)is True Name in vain, for it holds an unimaginable power to deliver a maya-dissolving redpill too hard for most to bear.

>> No.14732033

oh fuck, I can feel the pill beginning to hit me
I shouldn't have done it bros, heed my warning
my face is already starting to morph, my features being stretched vertically like I've had my aspect ratio squashed
by morning my transformation will be complete, I fear that I may no longer be able to post here
goodbye, my friends

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Holy based....

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So which fiction has not been refuted by René Guénon? It seems to me that he cancelled most works being talked about in modernity.

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Don Quixote, the decline of chivalrous ideals and the contrast between Don Quixote's view of the world and that of the people he interacts with is a subtle commentary on the decline in all spheres spiritual, intellectual and so forth of the world entering into modernity during the Kali Yuga, as well as being an artistic masterpiece. The theme of the medieval era falling away and a related decline of people followed rightousness and God is in perfect harmony with Guénon's (pbuh) view of the medieval era as being the height of western civilization and as being the time when it was most in alignment with Traditional values.

>> No.14733439

>There is no definitive declaration that transmigration is what is going on,
That's clearly wrong it unequivocally states in Brihadaranyaka 4.4.6. That transmigration continues because of attachment/desire when it says:

>"Because of attachment, the transmigrating self, together with its work, attains that result to which its subtle body or mind clings. Having exhausted in the other world the results of whatever work it did in this life, it returns from that world to this world for fresh work."

Then, after identifying the cause of transmigration, it says in the second half of the same verse how one can escape transmigration by becoming freed from desires and the ensuing merger in his previously obscured true nature as Brahman:

>"Thus does the man who desires transmigrate. But as to the man who does not desire—who is without desire, who is freed from desire, whose desire is satisfied, whose only object of desire is the Self—his organs do not depart. Being Brahman, he merges in Brahman.

I've read the entire Brihadaranyaka and am familiar with it, nowhere in that section or chapter is it implied that this verse is only an analogy, if you want to claim that you'll have to cite the verses which you think support this interpretation

> Also, neither Rigveda nor Arthavaveda talks about it.
It's funny you say this, as you seem just repeat everything Ken says in his videos and as you know well Ken's views and even the subjects of his essays are largely based on and are identical to Coomaraswamy's, and Coomaraswamy has a whole book of essays called 'Perspective on the Vedas' where he analyzes the pre-Upanishad portions of the Vedas and concludes that the views of the Upanishads including transmigration are already expressed in them based on many verses that he cites, like for example in verse 4.26 of the Rig-Veda when a human sage speaking in the past tense says "I was aforetime Manu, I was Sūrya", and this Rig-Veda verse speaking of past lives is itself quoted verbatim in verse 1.4.10. of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.

>> No.14733454

my cultured brother, very based...

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Kiron Krishnan (भगवतीश्वर शर्मन्), A Vedic Brahmin; A Vedic scholar, translator and interpreter.
Answered Jul 3 2017 · Author has 1.4k answers and 3m answer views

CAUTION : Highly disturbing facts and sentences ahead.

No, not Vedas. Brahmanas do try to hint such a possibility some places. (among hinting thousands of their unconnected rants) Though interestingly, Brahmanas postulate that rebirth in (a different) world would be for the ones who do good deeds, others die and perish into hell of Yama, unable to live again. (God, they just loved life as Vedic people did) Upanishads are the first to really touch the subject as we know today. Even then, one of the oldest accounts tells the doctrine to be a thing believed by Kshatriyas. It is obvious that Kshatriyas who should be willing to donate their life for the nation, shall be believing in such a theory. But, from the Vedic era beliefs, esp. the Rigvedic, there has been no such hint of a belief in a “ghostly” rebirth among the poetic seers. But, considering the Kshatriya-created Shramanic religions and later Hinduism that was heavily influenced by these philosophies, it must have been that such a philosophy should have existed as a school of thought among some Aryans at the Vedic age, though their religion has had no voice in Vedas.

The Vedic recycling is beautifully explained in Rigveda - once dead, one’s “life” is indeed transferred to new system, in earth, sky or waters. (RV 10.16.3) But is that “reincarnation”? No, it is a mere recycling of the constituents of the body, that become the life-promoting cells in another part in this earth. In the cremated place of the dead person, the plants kiyāmbu, pākadūrvā and the vyalkaśa are asked to grow, and in the chill environment, the lady frog is asked to enjoy again. (10.16.14) There is no reason for us to believe that this birth has anything got to do with karma, or karmic recycling of “soul”.

The life once lost, is lost forever to “Time”. (Yama) There, these “souls” continue to inspire and instigate the humans of later generation. There is no “physical ghost”; thus we hear absolutely no scary nonsense about unfulfilled souls attacking people physically as ghosts, in Vedas. No, Vedas never mention ghosts at all. Ghosts are not physical, they are spiritual. Inside your mind. In order to give the satisfaction to the human minds, the funeral practices were did, so that the soul would be sent satisfactorily to Yamaloka, and that later, human minds won’t be haunted by “ghosts”. The philosophy of Vedas is between the hard-core punishment-reward theory of Abrahamic religions, and the highly pessimistic Shramanic karmic rebirth, which goes on to depict human life in the world as one of the bad states from which liberation is required. (cont.)

>> No.14734211

In Vedas, there is nothing inherently good or bad. There is no mention of any “religious” puṇya (meritorious deed) or a religious “sin” in Rigveda, or in the other Vedas. There are mentions of moral wrongs though. The wrongs arise in a society, therefore the Vedas ordain the king and people to keep up the Rta, (the subjective morality) and thus follow the objective Reality. (Satya) If one does wrong, he would have to suffer from his men, and divine knowledge will forsake him. His generations would have to suffer. If all sin and don’t follow Rta, well all will perish. Thus, following Rta is the ultimate way to live. Follow the subjective morality that is best suited for the society, yourself and nature. Then you have that luck factor given by the Vedic divinities, the prayers of people are with you, and your community has a better survival. Vedas, thus, show the bitter reality of this earthly life - its something we need to live and enjoy; but at the same time, be cautious and never go against Rta.

But yes, Vedas never spoke any word “against” reincarnation explicitly as such. So, might it be possible that sometimes that can happen? “Those who have found out what is kin to what is not, let them find out”.

There wouldn’t have been all these elaborate funeral practices in Vedas if the primary belief was that the deceased person would reincarnate somewhere. Some of the usual (mis) quotes from Rigveda claiming to support reincarnation are bashed here. (he links to another thread which I'll post in the next post)

>> No.14734212

Kiron Krishnan (भगवतीश्वर शर्मन्), A Vedic spiritual theist.
Admin · Posted Jun 30, 2017

This time the post is against the apologetic Hindus who often cannot imagine Vedas without the idea of reincarnation.

Mostly, two quotes are often made, as pointed out in this comment. Thanks, Jade Barrett, for bringing out the claims.

tesavitā shridebhyah prthivyām lokamicchatu,
tasmai yujyantAmustriyāh. Yajur Veda 35.2

“The sun God grants bodies in different births, according to your deeds, providing a happy or unhappy place on this earth. May radiant beams prove helpful to you.”

2)In Yajurveda 19.47,

“There are two paths for the soul. One path Pitryana provides birth again and again through union of father and mother, good and bad deeds, happiness and sorrow. The other path of Devayana frees the soul from cycle of birth and death and provides bliss of salvation. The whole world reverberates with both these paths. And after both, the soul again takes birth as progeny of father and mother.”

Answer :

This verse is part of funeral hymn in Yajurveda, meant to lay the corpse in earth. The translation is : “For your remains (te shridebhyaH) let Savitr approve (savitA icchatu) a residing spot (lokam) in the earth. (pRithivyAm). For that (tasmai) let the oxen be yoked. (ustriyAH yujyantAm)” Context is that the verse asks Savita, the universal impeller, to bless the spot on which the corpse is laid in earth, and his rays (the “bulls”) be yoked for the process; meaning let him bless the spot. Nothing about afterlife, rebirths, karma or moksha.

Yajurveda 19.47 is : “द्वे सृ॒ती अ॑शृणवं पितॄ॒णाम॒हं दे॒वाना॑मु॒त मर्त्या॑नाम् । ताभ्या॑मि॒दं विश्व॒मेज॒त्समे॑ति॒ यद॑न्त॒रा पि॒तरं॑ मा॒तरं॑ च”
“Dvē sr̥tī aśr̥ṇavaṁ pitr̥̄ṇāmahaṁ dēvānāmuta martyānām. Tābhyāmidaṁ viśvamējatsamēti yadantarā pitaraṁ mātaraṁ ca”

Translation goes : “Two (dve) paths (dual) (sRtI), (thus) I have heard (aham ashRNavam) the ancestors (pitRNAm): for the divinities (devAnAm) and also for mortals (uta martyAnAm). By these (two) roads (idam tAbhyAm) every (vishvam) moving creature (ejat) moves through together (sam-eti) : (Each of) this (yad) amidst (antarA) the Father and Mother. (pitaram mAtaram ca)”

Nothing about reincarnation. The context is about the mortal and immortal paths that exist - the Vedic “sky path” (spiritual and divine) and “earth path” (of mortals in earth). Between the Mother Earth and Father Sky, each creature moves through by these two roads - the earth road while living and sky road after death. Earth road represents physical life. (Refer Vedic metaphors in my posts) Sky road represents spiritual life centered on self that is immortal.

The verse is characteristically Vedic and has nothing new to offer about reincarnation or karma.

Thus, all the claims by certain apologetic people about reincarnation in Vedas is false.

>> No.14734288

Any non animistic material recycling of bodily constitution becoming another in a state of flux was injected with Sramanic transmigration and is treated as one and the same theory of karma without deliberately stating which one is superior to the other, which this synthesis of both is what the type of "reincarnation" Advaita promotes as if it was only one theory alone when the Sramanic theory is more akin to Plato's theory of forms in uniting Parmenides and Heraclitus while the older "reincarnation" of the Vedas weren't held by the Kshatriyas. This means that the "earliest upanishads" were Sramanic and held the same general views as Buddhism, but nothing in the Brihadaranyaka nor the Chandogya ever stated that they remembered who they were in their past life. Only Gautama ever admitted into recalling his past life as an Ishvara of all things are too subjected to karmic rebirth and rebecoming if they haven't attained moksha or sammasati and sammasamadhi. Nibbana is a conceptualized locus for where the Self resides in but into what? The Absolute of course. Nibbana isn't the goal, rather just an analogy of attainment of enlightenment from going across the shore to the other side.

>> No.14734307


How can translations be so distorted by interpreters if the literal Sanskrit doesn't say anything like it

>> No.14734332

Language itself no matter how precise and plainly spoken is subjected to misinterpretation as well as being too old to precisely understand what it meant in its historical context. Everyone has their own take on things and trying to have an honest exegesis of the source text cannot be done without understanding their context that too is also misinterpreted by some. This forgetting is inevitable, which is why perennialism is also inevitable, for the failures of the past mistakes of our closer ancestors are done away with, only to revitalize the older ancient and immortal truths into a new context in the newer generations.

>> No.14734629

I'm starting my Guenon journey today. wish me luck

>> No.14734640
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>Original Buddhism
>electrical theory
>"I am not Ken Wheeler"
ok ken

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>37 posters
>Over 200 posts

>> No.14734767

I've never even heard of Rene Guenon before. Quick rundown?

>> No.14734773
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Shut the fuck up.

>> No.14734792

i'm serious, i'm /lit/ newfag. I see there are a gajilion threads about him but I have never seen him on other boards

>> No.14734824

>french incel who was into occult, theosophy, freemasonry
>tired of 'muh modern world'
>looked toward eastern voodoo
>'its full of poo'
>goes to Cairo instead and has child brides
>modern world stinks bro
>lets all return to ye olde days because tradition is better and Atlantis is real and we are in cosmic degenerative period hurrrr *senile ramblings*

>> No.14734841

interesting, thanks fren. is he worth reading or is he some sort of a /lit/ meme? if the former, where should I start?

>> No.14734852

he's a shitty meme being spammed by 1 schizo

but if you want to start with him, read the Introduction to the Study of Buddhist Doctrines

>> No.14734899

Unironic answer, Guenon's cultural criticism and phenomenology of modern consciousness are worth reading but his actual religious philosophy is just neovedantism so it's less interesting

Basically there are two types of Guenon readers: people who recognize him as an interesting philosopher/esoteric, and trads who take him as some kind of modern prophet of why you should LARP as a muslim. If you ever see white Muslim dudes walking around campus with a gay little fez hat and scraggly pube beard, that's probably a Guenonian. Likewise if you ever see a smug second or third generation brown immigrant with an inferiority complex about the hemisphere he lives in, he probably wants you to convert to LARP Sufism.

If you ignore the second group Guenon is ok. If you need more incentive, the second group is informally headed by Nasr, and Nasr's teacher was this guy: >>14724256

>> No.14734909

>If you need more incentive, the second group is informally headed by Nasr, and Nasr's teacher was this guy
oh shit I live in bloomington, indiana. I wonder if there's any active groups here

>> No.14734910

Schuon's cult is still active I believe but I'm not sure if it's still headquartered in Bloomington (pbui)

>> No.14734914

Bloomington is unironically Dalai Lama territory now

>> No.14735183

Would Rene Guenon support skateboarding?

>> No.14735258

No. Go ask Uncle Evola.

>> No.14735363

only if you do it for Guenon(pbuh)

>> No.14735446

it is SoCal tradition after all

>> No.14735795

Brothers, please send in submissions! The 17th is near!

>> No.14736060
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There is only one man who can refute Guenon

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No brother, think about it more. What we need is a synthesis of Langan and Guenon(pbuh) himself.

>> No.14736082

>that pic
fucking kek

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Guenon(pbuh) when he was younger. Rare photos.

>> No.14736129

imagine if Guenon (pbuh) underwent the physical training regiment of our lord Chris Langan. I suppose the christian tradition is better suited for a bouncer. Sorta like how Neeche said christianity is the religion of the hangman

>> No.14736138

what has langan done to deserve this veneration?

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here you go young Padawan
http://knowledgebase.ctmu.net/?password-protected=login&redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2F167.99.168.176%2F (pass: ctmu-kb).

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Where are you fellow brothers?

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>> No.14737230

holy shit, I think you anons are onto something. Langan has always stated he is a metaphysician above anything else.

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Now add Land and escape the cycle of samsara.

>> No.14737401

who else can help bridge the gap between Langan and Guenon?

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only him

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>> No.14737754

I have yet to find someone who understands Initiatic knowledge better than Evola.

>> No.14738218

he wasn't initiated into any tradition, all his writing on initiation is written from the perspective of an outsider who never received one

>> No.14738564

Michael E Jones

>> No.14739876

Based... I pledge allegiance to President Guenon (pbuh).

>> No.14739882

I just wrote a piece with mystical underpinnings. This is the only mysticism thread so I thought I'd share: >>14739701

>> No.14739884

>mysticism thread
But mysticism was retroactively BTFO by Rene Guenon (pbuh).

>> No.14739887

There are 40 posters in this thread.

>> No.14739892

Lies. Yahya was a mystic.

>> No.14740099
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He was a mystic in the proper sense of the word, yes (someone initiated into the deeper 'mysteries'), but it has nothing to do with "mysticism" as it is known on 4channel.

Read 'Perspectives on Initiation' where Rene Guenon (pbuh) retroactively refutes mysticism literally on the first page.

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Based. Can you make one with this picture of Shankara (pbuh)?

>> No.14740184

Did Rene Guenon ever have any thoughts on Aleister Crowley

>> No.14740249

He retroactively refuted the guy, who then proceeded to act like a defeated child by saying that Guenon's (pbuh) "monkeying around amuses him".

>> No.14740294

Quick rundown of Guenons Takes?

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Holy based. Wanted to post this thread myself, but here it is. I am glad that Guénon (pbuh) is going strong here, brothers!

>> No.14740623

in what countries is Guenon venerated as a saint? nobody in my city knows about him, so I want to move to a more Guenonian (pbuh) place where I will not be persecuted for venerating him.

>> No.14740656

There is a weird syncretic group at my uni who prays to him occasionally. I even got invited to one of their prayers once, they chanted a bunch of scriptures from various traditions and then proceeded to venerate Guénon and Schuon as two hypostatically-united incarnations of Vishnu directly preceding Kalki; these were self-described "Muslims", mind you.

They also look similar to how >>14734899 describes them:
>If you ever see white Muslim dudes walking around campus with a gay little fez hat and scraggly pube beard, that's probably a Guenonian. Likewise if you ever see a smug second or third generation brown immigrant with an inferiority complex about the hemisphere he lives in, he probably wants you to convert to LARP Sufism.

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Brother, your faith in Guenon(pbuh) has been rewarded

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>Guenon's (pbuh) "monkeying around amuses him"

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"I refute."

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>> No.14742273

posters are just passionate and post a lot.

>> No.14742283

brother, we are all one with Rene Guenon (pbuh)

>> No.14742430

>t. hasn't transcended duality yet

>> No.14742441

>believes in the individual and not the collective world soul
Brother, please read Guenon (pbuh) should you seek enlightenment from the cave of shadows. Come in the fields with us and bask in the sunlight!

>> No.14742457

holy based... write us a poem brother.

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Guénon mentions Crowley in his letters to Evola

>To come back to Aleister Crowley, what you told me reminds me of the story that turned up in 1931 (I believe at least that was the exact date): while he was in Portugal, he suddenly disappeared. They found his clothes on the border of the sea, something that made them believe he had drowned. But it was only a simulated death, since they were no longer concerned about him and did not try to find out where he had gone. Actually, he went to Berlin to play the role of secret adviser to Hitler who was then at his beginning.
>A little later, Crowley founded the Saturn-Lodge in Germany; have you ever heard of it? There he called himself Master Therion, and his signature was to mega Therion (the Great Beast), something that in Greek gives exactly the numeric value 666.

Guénon repeats the tale that Crowley was a secret advisor to Hitler. Even though Crowley had no relationship with Adolf Hitler.

Crowley's ex disciple and member of his magical organization, J.F.C Fuller knew Hitler/met Hitler in personal life, but Crowley had expelled Fuller from his magical organization at that point. Crowley's secretary, Karl Germer, ended up in concentration camp for being "associate of the high-ranking freemason Aleister Crowley"

The monkeying around episode which Crowley tells in a letter: "Monsieur la Guenon's monkeying around amuses me" refers to the magazine Guénon used to write.

There was a strife between continental masonry and other forms of masonry: Guénon simply argued, that Crowley's claim to the 33rd degree was not "authentic" and he would not be recognized as such on the continent. To which Crowley in turn replied "Monsieur la Guénon's monkeying around amuses me"

Crowley did claim 33rd degree, which is the highest rank in the Scottish rite.

>> No.14742629

I want to burn, to fly into the skies,
this imperfection of the human crust.
Becoming eternal like Guenon (pbuh),
who in great flames sits amongst the gods.

Already, my poor soul stung of its best,
within my flesh, the rebel walks itself,
Already the wood has been set to flames
to bring forth the great, bright rays of your eyes.

O saintly man! O chastely pretty fire!
Lo! burn me with your divine orb of fire,
as I leave the remains of my body.

Clean, pure, free I leap with a single bound,
up to the Heavens! to adore Guenon (pbuh)
the True Beauty who shines behind the sky.

>> No.14742634

other posts not showing up

>> No.14742679

yeah are the mods harassing Guenonians(pbuh) again, like the romans did to the christians?

>> No.14743288
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They shall pay dearly for this...

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>45 posters
>265 posts
With this we can see that the Buddhist false-doctrine has been refuted in the preceding debates.
Now, finally, the case of 4chanian-Buddhism rests and can be officially dismissed as folly.

>> No.14743566

>>45 posters

>> No.14743570

How many guenon posters post here

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One Guenonfag in fourty-six divine persons.

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Holy based!

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based... bros...
we live in a guenoniety

>> No.14743636

as many as there are stars in the sky, infinite. Let us rejoice brothers, for we have received the love of Guenon (pbuh).

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absolutely based guenonbros

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very based...

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>> No.14744172

The amount of Guenon(pbuh) today has been outstanding! Truly (pbuh)'s light shines upon us on this blessed day. However, we need poems and shit for the magazine so please get to writing

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Those B*ddhists at it again

>> No.14745372

Anyone reading Schuon ? Got the essential Schuon in yesterday

>> No.14745384

Yes. I must say, Schuon is the needed complement to Guenon. Superior, dare I say?

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I read his 'Transcendental Unity of Religions' and a splattering of articles on the net. I decided to read Guénon first because he says people will understand his writings better if they do in above mentioned book.

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Careful guenonfag is Inna woods ready to pounce, I just know it.

>> No.14745418

I read crisis and I’m halfway thru reign of quanitity and I’m reading the sections on metaphysics in the essential Schuon. It’s dense but I like it more than Guénon so far. However reading Guénon has been very helpful in understanding Schuon so far.

Their critiques are easier to understand than their metaphysics so far. The essential collection has a good intro section on his thought written by Nasr (who is my favorite as of now)

>> No.14745435

bros im sad
im sad for all the world
for all its people who have yet to understand our prophet Habib Guenon
why bros, why wont they understand??

anyways this is a based thread, keep it up brothers

>> No.14745459

Read “Frithjof Schuon: Life and Teachings.” It’s beautiful. Ye shall cry.
p.s: it’s available online.

>> No.14745473

His encounter with, supposedly, Khidr (pbuh) is very appealing.

>> No.14745483

give me his top 3 or 4 books

>> No.14745517

I haven’t read him enough to be able to do so with exactitude, but:

The Fullness of God
The Transcendental Unity of Religions
Understanding Islam
To have a Center

>> No.14745849

based, thanks, I will check him out after I get done with Guenon (pbuh)

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incredibly based

>> No.14746505

I thought 'Language of the Self' by him was good

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>> No.14746699

woah based

>> No.14746704

>dub dubs
based (pbuh)

>> No.14746711

based af 2bh

>> No.14746718

based thread dare I say

>> No.14746732

holy based!

>> No.14746736

so many discussions! so many people reading Goon-non, WOAH BASED HAHAHA XD

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>> No.14746861

sentimentalist detected.

>> No.14747595

can someone redpill me on Martin Lings? I just bought his book on Muhammad which I figured would be a good intro to all this shit

>> No.14747798

Many Sunnis hate it because of the heavy-handed perennialist message Lings shoehorns in.

>> No.14747803

Survey of Metaphysics and Esoterism

>> No.14748032

So the take away is that hinduism is cool and buddhism is not?

>> No.14748139

oh my bad its the other way around

>> No.14748430

that's ok, for me it is slightly desirable to have perennialist leanings

>> No.14748575

>for me it is slightly desirable to have perennialist leanings
literally why? perennialism is a condemned heresy. why read a book from a religious point of view when it is heretical?

>> No.14748692

I could not care less about it being heretical. it is easier for me to digest and fit it into my worldview

>> No.14748696

>I could not care less about it being heretical.
Retroactively refuted by Rene Guenon (pbuh).
>it is easier for me to digest and fit it into my worldview

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>> No.14748714

In Islam, there is no such thing as “heretical” and “condemned”. At best, you have consensus of scholars in the issue.

>> No.14748716

t. seething hylic deluded by maya

>> No.14748731

Guenon had great critiques but ultimately he was a traitor to the West by joining the sandniggers which only happened because he was so butthurt that Catholic insiders had previously rejected him

>> No.14748745

>Traitor to the West
The West betrayed itself before Guénon did; there was nothing left to betray. Defending the modern West in nothing but defending an anti-initiatic world.

>> No.14749203

if he didn't "betray" the West, he would have never restored true metaphysics to it and would have ended as another Evola who just larped and was not initiated into any living tradition.

>> No.14749469

I have read most of Jungs collected works and for years thought him to be a great analyst of myths and religion. Two books in to Guenon and I want to locomotively absolve every Jungian on earth. Piss be upon them. It is a counter tradition, and a huge threat to all Guenonposters.
Piss be upon Jung
Praise be upon Guenon
Blessings to all my based Guenonposting brothers.

>> No.14749624
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Based... There is a teardrop flowing from my cheeks, brother...
Welcome home...

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