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>> No.14696086
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the worst thing about 4chan is, is that the older i get, everyone else seems to stay the same age.

>> No.14696202

We should focus more on epistemology, socialist realist literature was not bad but just too real for people and banally horrifying.

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Its over

>> No.14696221

>>14696202
I don't get why philosophers waste their time on other areas when we haven't settled on epistemology yet.

>> No.14696234

>>14696221
because epistemology is pretty much just 'we really are not sure if you can or cannot know nuffin'

>> No.14696246

>>14696234
Not really. People like Kant and Husserl did really try to make a basis for metaphysics.

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life is beautiful

>> No.14696258
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>go to any board other than /lit/
>try to make what seems like a really basic point
>1-2 paragraphs at most
>"why u care so much??? LOL imagine taking the time to write this out are you autistic lmao"
>similar experiences when trying to associate irl with with normal people outside my small group of autistic friends
>gradually starting to assume that the average person isn't even capable of forming thoughts
>gradually starting to see them as hyperactive children who need to be handled very gingerly, even in basic exchanges, like herding cats
>can't even tell where the boundaries between weird and normal are anymore
>talked about my desktop computer and several college-educated normies went "wowwwwww" and thought i was a cyber hacker with a mainframe supercomputer
>had two normie acquaintances over recently
>they were mystified and thought i was a real "character" because i use a stool as a table for putting a lamp on
>tfw i can't even tell what is going to provoke weird response like this anymore
>tfw totally disconnected from average normie consciousness

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>>14696215
>>14696251

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>>14696086
fpbp

>>14696067
i just dont know anymore OP. i feel like there is no escape. i'm doing okay in life i guess, i'm well taken care of. i have a stipend, i'm in school, but I just feel like the world is leaving me. it is accelerating into abomination and annihilation that it will not soon recover from.

>> No.14696266

>>14696258
this anon knows exactly what i mean

>> No.14696267

>>14696259
kek

>>14696086
another kek

yeah I feel like a boomer browsing this site now. Newfags have always gotten a lot of shit on 4chan obviously, but the latest crop of 16-21yos is really fucking bad. It's the social media, I think. Something is different in their brains.

>> No.14696268

>>14696067
Identity politics turns people from subjects of being, into objects of history.

>> No.14696273

>>14696268
saw this in another thread. glad you're making a note of it here.

>> No.14696274

>>14696258
they're having you on, friend
principle of charity
very important for people on the spectrum to internalize
not even a dig on you, i wish you well

>> No.14696277

>>14696262
how do i convince a girl to dress like this for sex

>> No.14696281

>>14696262
Understandable. DESU im just at the state of melancholy. I feel a twinge of what was, but I know that what is is also passing, still doesnt help it from being lukewarm, but its a dull pain everything considered.

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>>14696258
>similar experiences when trying to associate irl with with normal people

>> No.14696290

>>14696277
buy it for her and tell her to put it on.

>>14696281
i know, anon. i wasn't always so comfortable, either. it used to be fucking sketchy when i was a kid. now everything is looking up for me personally for the next few years and probably well into the future. EXCEPT for the state of the world. other anon is right about zoomers and something being wrong with their brains. they're incapable of thinking as previous generations knew it. it's like they're the worst case of orwell's worst nightmare. incapable of understanding anything but doublethink and newspeak.

>> No.14696294

>>14696067
Language is a model that stems from experience. Science and math are also models stemming from experience, not from language. The misconception that other models are layered on top of the model of language spawned a bunch of contemporary philosophy that is ultimately tautology.

>> No.14696296

>>14696274
I could see that, especially in the stool example and with similar things. Recently I unthinkingly wore two different colored felt gloves (one red and one black) and multiple people I passed that day went "haha, two different GLOVES?! What's up with that my man!" I was really freaked out by it.

I know that for them, this is a polite way of saying "this poor guy is a crazy autist." But that is still part of what weirds me out about their consciousness. Another example: I was hanging out with some people who happen to be acquainted with this other friend of mine. As soon as I mentioned him, they started laughing and poking fun at him for being on the spectrum. They never said anything specific, so I asked. They went
>Haha we were sitting down and we called him over to talk, and we asked him if he wanted to sit but he NEVER DID!! He just stood there the whole ten minutes hahaha!

The seats aren't even low to the ground, they are high up. Why was that so interesting for them? Maybe he just didn't want to sit.

>> No.14696301

Is nothing truly descriptive of nature according to Wittgenstein since he says even math and logic depend on human created axioms? How do we escape this?

>> No.14696328

>>14696301
if nothing is truly descriptive how do you know it's not? what can you compare anything with?

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maybe i'm just out of touch. maybe people under 25 are literally just that retarded (but worse than my generation because now they're all coomers) and i forgot what it was like. brains still developing, many of them will never even have the experiences i've had. they'll work wagie jobs and never do anything of consequence except shit out a couple of crotchfruit. i really don't like sounding so cynical but i hesitate and call it a fair assessment.

>> No.14696391

>>14696301
Early in one of the pre-PI notebooks, he says that those questions are for "natural science." From what I can tell, nor is he stupid enough to think natural science is coterminous with the mathematicised physicalism most people associate with hard science these days. He simply means that questions of essence, of what really is (e.g. what is the real ground of mind?) are not answerable inside of rationalist schemes in logic and language.

If this answer is maddening, don't worry, you're not alone. This is a common problem with highly reflexive "linguistic turn" types like Wittgenstein, Heidegger, French pomo, etc. It's surprisingly hard to pin them down and just have them state plainly whether they think the external fucking world is there or not. Heidegger for example very rarely talks about nature, whatsoever. For years I had to put a pin in the question of whether Heidegger had any thoughts on actual metaphysics (= natural science in Wittgenstein's terms), because nobody I read on Heidegger could just answer the fucking question. It was only when I ran into Hubert Dreyfus excitedly confirming that Heidegger is basically a transcendental philosopher and therefore unconcerned with such questions that I got some idea of, okay, at least one world expert on Heidegger feels safe venturing that opinion.

>How do we escape this?
That's the big question. That's what people mean when they say: Have we gotten one step beyond Kant? All Kant did was formalize the sceptical problematic in his architectonic, and "defeat" its more nihilistic variants by saying that we experience necessity and necessary categories of judgment at least within the bounds of our finite experience. Not much of a victory, and it leaves a paradox of how Kant can speak of the necessary structure of our categorial comportment, as it really is in itself, if he has just barred us from making exactly these kinds of judgments (i.e., about things as they really are in themselves). This critique was immediately made and Kant never answered it.

Modern linguistic turn philosophers have ditched the naivete of Kant's specific descriptions of the categories (which he just gleaned from contemporary logic), but they've buried the problem of scepticism under pretentious masturbatory demonstrations of how all categoriality is immanent. They've refined our conception of how we are transcendental world-constituting subjects, more fluid (a la pragmatism, language games, and phenomenological lifeworlds) than rigid (a la Kant's categories), but they're still stuck in the transcendental world-constituting problematic itself, which is still just scepticism as formalized and made easily talk-aboutable by Kant.

And so the questions originally posed to Kant: What is the real fucking world, then? What is mind? Why do we think the way we do? etc., are all still unanswered. The most sophisticated modern pragmatism, hermeneutics, deconstruction, all of it is just refined Kantianism.

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>>14696391
you need to radicalize your empiricism my dude
critical philosophy is a capitulation to the solipsistic nihilism of 'modernity'
don't let yourself be hobbled by the artificial constraints kant placed on the 'thinkable'
sapere aude

>> No.14696430

did i brush my teeth already?
should i brush them again, just in case i didn't?

>> No.14696446

>>14696423
I've read Whitehead but I don't understand how he escapes the Kantian problem of necessary knowledge. He starts out in P&R with some perfectly comprehensible pragmatism but then he starts flatly asserting the essential nature of things, it seems to become an arbitrary rationalist metaphysics with no justification. I wouldn't mind a radical empiricism or critical realism if it could explain to me how we have certain knowledge of reality, but I don't see how Whitehead did that. The most egregious for me was when he posited a Leibnizian or Berkeleyan God-like entity "overseeing" reality, without justifying it. If everything is radically emergent, then how and whence did this God-mind emerge? Even more pressnig though, where did he get knowledge of this?

I did some research into his followers but they're even more vague.They can't seem to agree on what most of Whitehead's terms even designate (atoms, Kripkean rigid designators, whatever). If the source of Whitehead's knowledge is some kind of direct, non-dualistic empiricism, then why the fuck isn't it exportable to others? Is it only exportable once science confirms it? Then where is the science that "confirmed" it for him, suggested it to him, in the first place?

>> No.14696506

>>14696251
I wish i could say it myself. I just get angry at myself for not being able to enjoy life and appreciate it because it would be a nice thing to do.

>> No.14696533

>>14696446
i think the start your problem is in taking for granted the validity of kant's premise, that there is a special class of knowledge--the synthetic a priori i.e. 'necessary knowledge'--and that the assumed factuality of this class stands in need of some explication. deny a major presupposition of that premise and you defeat the entire 'problem'. for whitehead, the presupposition to be denied is the bifurcation of nature into the 'intelligible' and the 'real', or the 'subjective' and 'objective'.
to another point, whitehead's 'schematic' is not arbitrary. on the contrary, it is thoroughly situated in the intellectual environment of his time. it is intended to be, as metaphysics properly is, a comprehensive elaboration of our most general ideas 'in terms of which every element of our experience may be interpreted.'
god for whitehead is a curious discovery that emerged over the course of his attempt to do just this.

>> No.14696544

Seize God.

>> No.14696547

wish my dick could get hard without looking at the most degenerate smut possibly

>> No.14696565

got drunk last night at a birthday party and woke up too early today for some strange reason, now I'm not feeling all that great, although not too bad either

>> No.14696566

On the nightstand of this hotel I've taken the Gideon Bible out in the vague expectation that I'll dowse through it, finding somewhere in the silky onionskin pages a salvation of the spirit, if not the mind. Yet the Psalms in all their lyrical profundity, fortune cookie proverbs scattered, I cannot shake the feeling that this is the pit; that the Morningstar ascended slowly in the heavens, somehow peter principled into position and now sputtering, careening out of control in what best can be described as a kind of universal lingchi.
The overton windows splitting, spreading leaving a sea of communication lost in bitter resentment and never answered emails, the nightmare of the working world growing ever worse with anticipation as the market continues in its dazed and deaf optimism, lacksidasical to the precipice just over the ranges. I'm going to lose my entire retirement fund, if I'm going to be able to retire at all.
Maybe I'll just jack it to feet pics or something.

>> No.14696571

>>14696547
I pray my dick get big as the Eiffel Tower
So I can fuck the world for seventy-two hours

>> No.14696573

>>14696446
>'All modern philosophy hinges round the difficulty of describing the world in terms of subject and predicate, substance and quality, particular and universal. The result always does violence to that immediate experience which we express in our actions, our hopes, our sympathies, our purposes, and which we enjoy in spite of our lack of phrases for its verbal analysis. We find ourselves in a buzzing world, amid a democracy of fellow creatures; whereas, under some disguise or other, orthodox philosophy can only introduce us to solitary substances, each enjoying an illusory experience: "O Bottom, thou art changed! what do I see on thee?" The endeavour to interpret experience in accordance with the overpowering deliverance of common sense must bring us back to some restatement of Platonic realism, modified so as to avoid the pitfalls which the philosophical investagations of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries have disclosed.'

>> No.14696576

baseball bat

>> No.14696593

>>14696221
It's been settled for a long time. The answer is that we can only be fully certain of apodictic truths (e.g. knowledge of existence), but since empiricism is our only conduit to whatever incomplete/provisional knowledge we can manage, we don't have any other option than going with the empricial flow.

>> No.14696608

>>14696533
But the most thoroughgoing rejection of a intelligible/real (concept/object) dualism would simply be the unreflective stream of percept-concepts of James, it would be the undifferentiated manifold of "is-ness." Like Heidegger's pre-ontological mode of consciousness, simply taking things as they "are," without questioning how they came to be that way or whether they are "really" that way. James in Radical Empiricism describes all "meta" questions like these instances of the stream of experience sort of doubling up on itself, relating to itself, often at multiple levels as the questions (about what is "really" real as opposed to only "apparently" real) get more complex. Obviously the stream of experience remains a stream of experience in this case, i.e. we can never escape the is-ness of things.

If you remain a transcendental philosopher about this, that is if you only claim that you're describing consciousness and not making any pronouncements about the world being made up "of" this experience-streaming, you're still a dualist, you're functionally a Kantian. If you are a metaphysician, you immediately run into the problem of how doubling-up of the stream can ever be scientific, how we can ever know what the nature of the stream is without drawing on metaphors from the stream. Or if you simply don't give a fuck, you can be a neo-Humean or Scottish common sense realist, but that's just dodging the question.

Science has to account for its objects, which means it has to account for itself, as a determining aspect of any account of its objects. How does a critical realist or radical empiricist do this? You're saying Whitehead did it, and that he didn't do it in an arbitrary (i.e. purely subjective) way. So it's objective. But then what is the nature or source of this objectivity? If he's not simply throwing together a quaint "story," built of metaphors drawn from the stream of his experience, but is giving a real account of the world beyond himself,
a) where is he deriving his wackier claims? How can he presume to talk about the essences of atoms or other quanta?
b) why does nobody, even among his only followers, agree with or understand his account of the fundamental entities/quanta he designates?
c) why have his ideas not entered the stream of intersubjective, taken-for-granted knowledge if they are an adequate and "comprehensive" account of reality?
d) how can he refute competing and incommensurable "comprehensive" accounts of reality? The answer can't be some "democratic" pragmatism based on survival of the fittest and most adequate ideas, because like I just said, his ideas haven't survived, arguably even among his own followers (who are badly divided).

I am not a Kantian, I just think Kant poses the age-old problem of scepticism in a convenient way: how can we have knowledge of reality as it really is? How do we determine whether knowledge is true or not, and escape pragmatism?

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>>14696251
Thanks horse-anon, I always like seeing your pictures. It's not quite a horse but a few years ago when I was living in the middle east I would go down to the animal shelter every weekend and feed the donkeys, play with the cats, and walk the dogs. I miss being with animals at such regularity, they make life worth living. Pic is a friendly cow that used to be nearby, I would sometimes go to to pet them and chat, but they took them away about half a year ago :(

>> No.14696632

>>14696573
I agree with him about "saving the appearances" and not arbitrarily overdetermining some phenomena by others, and I think there's a strong case to be made that process is an undeniable phenomenon and one that must be saved. But I don't understand his specific scheme. He always reminds me of Menocchio from Ginzburg's The Cheese and the Worms, with a quaint but completely idiosyncratic cosmology.

>> No.14696658

>>14696258
fuck, that's right. 3 or 4 americans of a drawing server commented on how genuis i am and how that they'd never come up with it when i said
> you can check values on your drawing by using phone camera in b/w mode
but observing normies memes, i see being stupid is growing more and mord popular as a "quirk"
consuming and degrading is good because it makes a funny maymay

>> No.14696663

>>14696608
by framing the 'problem' of metaphysics as a 'problem of knowledge' you are simply taking kant's major premise at face value, which is exactly what whitehead is refuting.
the ultimate appeal, so far as an answer can be given to the question 'how do we know what we know?' is always, and can only ever be, to experience. that is, experience in all its facets--personal, scientific, social, religious, aesthetic, etc etc. there is no 'escape from pragmatism'.
i am not trying to suggest that whitehead was right about everything. my point is rather this: i can see you tying yourself into knots in trying to find solutions to problems that others have set before you. i am trying to suggest that the edge you need to escape your entanglement may be hanging just above your head.

>> No.14696673

>>14696353
> mfw shithole country so my early 10's childhood resembled late 90s to early 00's one so i'm not as retarded
god truly walks in mysterious ways

>> No.14696688

>>14696663
I do agree and I am sympathetic to the idea that the roil of experience is somehow reality itself (or a subset of it). But I simply don't understand how, once you've made the move of saving the phenomena, of saving all "beings" (in Heidegger's sense), ALL affects and percepts and aspects in experience, I don't understand how you begin again to differentiate between them. You are now stuck with a completely thoroughgoing critical realism, a soup of experiential quanta that gives as much importance (to use a classic example) to dreams and hallucinations, and to subjective and wrong-headed views, as to any attempt at scientific thought. You get a dead, nihilistic pragmatism. This is the position of the classical sophists, it's the same problematic. Kant is only useful insofar as he points back to this age-old problem.

I want a new and vigorous platonism to follow this shitty scepticism/sophism, but I don't see how Whitehead gets there. He goes "relativize everything, stop doing substance ontology!" I go "OK, hit me up nigga, what's real?" And he goes "get this: the ultimate substances are PROCESSES, not substances! And they wiggle like this, and like this, but never like that! And when three of the little not-substances wiggle together, it is their nature that THIS happens, and then you get planets." OK, but that's an arbitrary cosmology based on an arbitrary substance ontology. So now you've taken me into the woods with your radical empiricism/pragmatism, and failed to get me out of the fucking woods, because I can't follow you out into this thin air you're now inhabiting.

>> No.14696691

>>14696632
that's a funny analogy, i like it.
it's not easily explained, or understood. i can't pretend to be an authority, either. i can only suggest taking another go at process and reality, and try to leave some of the baggage you've accumulated from all your other reading behind.
the worst disservice that can be done to whitehead is to make of his 'system' a kind of grand, mystical vision of the cosmos. it is rather the opposite, a strange flight of abstraction meant to return to us that which is most familiar.

>> No.14696693

I’ve been looking for a book for ages that I’ve already read and forget the name of. It’s about Cu Chullain but it’s written from the perspective of his Roman charioteer

>> No.14696703

>>14696533
Not that anon, but even if one does dispute Kant's dichotomies (which I do), the limited nature of our perception precludes true certainty of all but apodictic truths. We are left with the pragmatic endeavour of establishing probabilities according to empirical standards.

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>>14696622
where did you live in the middle east? i'm a bit of a eastaboo, and my favorite light horse breed (akhal-teke) comes from that area.
thanks for showing me that cow chilling in warm weather, hope she's in good hands now
the other days it was below -15C with the thickest icy mist i've ever seen, in the evening you could watch it settle and reduce visibility to a dozen of meters

>> No.14696707

>>14696691
I do plan to try it again. I was going to re-read him through Auxier's book, Quantum of something, but I got really busy. I read his history of mathematics for fun but got lost because I'm not terribly good at math. Maybe I'll try Adventures of Ideas and his hist. of sci. book too.

Ultimately I am more inclined toward esoteric solutions, experimental phenomenology aimed at cultivating higher faculties. I was really interested in Lonergan recently. I've often called Husserl's philosophy "transcendental empiricism," and been called a jackass by my friends for this because they think it's a contradiction in terms (and because Deleuze used the same term in a stupid way). But I opened to a random page of Lonergan's Insight and he called Husserl a "transcendental empiricist," so I'm taking this as a sign to take Lonergan seriously.

Also sorry if I seem at all like I'm being combative or browbeating. I am just autistic, very interested in this topic, and have a tendency to overwrite/overclarify.

>> No.14696708

>>14696067
I'm starting to worry I meet a lot of the criteria for being manic-depressive. I'm avoiding any official diagnosis and I'm trying to correct myself through mindfulness.

At the same time, I can't help but feel that my 'sickness' is in part only circumstance. I would be right at home in pre-agrarian society, where periods of exertion during good weather and rest during bad weather were common. I would also be well suited for the coming time past society, where man will divide his time between periods of creative thought and reflection. Instead I am constrained by this very narrow band of 'normality', of milquetoast existence, surrounded by a species of man who can never experience my highs, or endure my lows.

>> No.14696710

>>14696547
If you deprive yourself long enough you should regain some sensitivity. Don't underestimate the plasticity of your brain (that's not to say you haven't done some permanent damage).

>> No.14696711

I'm trying to justify going into the humanities and I can't seem to do so.

>> No.14696713

>>14696707
Doesn't Husserl call himself a transcendental idealist?

>> No.14696719

>>14696713
Yeah he's definitely a transcendental idealist in the sense that he's only interested in a phenomenology of consciousness, bracketing questions of its essence or external reality. But I think empiricism is a valid description of his project because he's also going about this transcendental inquiry in an empirical way, i.e. it's an inquiry. Kant presumes the categories and the structures of experience, Husserl is interested in understanding them, actually reflecting on them and digging deeper and deeper into their morphology.

>> No.14696720

>>14696688
again, i have to push back against this charge that the categorical scheme is arbitrary. it is intended to be--metaphysics *is*--a coherent system of generic ideas, and these ideas are simply the concepts we employ to 'make sense' of our experience taken to the highest level of abstraction.

>> No.14696727

>>14696067
I must get out of this reality. I have to win "The Game".
At least the snow looks pleasant outside...

>> No.14696733

>>14696688
>>14696719
Given that you are interested in Husserl's phenomenology, esotericism, and want to see a new vigorous platonism, do you think something like Schopenhauer's project would be possible in Husserl's framework? I'm a philosophy noob, sorry if the question is stupid.

>> No.14696744

>>14696067
I went on a hike with my dad today. It's almost sunset, we're tired from walking all afternoon, and back on our way to the car. As we round a switchback I see the sky light up. Suddenly, and I'm talking within the span of 30 seconds, the sunset is on us, and the sky is this beautiful red color. All I say is "oh shit, look at that!" then I take off running for the scenic overlook that I know is around the next bend. I run as hard as I can downhill, even after an hours-long hike, and I get to the overlook just soon enough to see the sun go down over the treeline. The color fades after about a minute.
I look back down the trail and I see my dad, stil walking along. As I'm standing there waiting for him to get to me, for the first time in my adult life, I realize he's getting old. He used to always match me when we hiked, always climbed stuff, went into caves with me, and just started running on the trails, knowing that I was scared of being alone and would run to ctach up with him. But he's exhausted from hiking all day, or he didn't want to run too hard and get his heart rate up, or whatever the reason, and he missed the best part of the sunset.
There's about a million lessons I can take away from this, but the most pressing thing I want to say is how much I love my dad. He's not that old, not even 60. God willing, I have another 30 or more years with him. I don't want to think of a time where I can't ask him a question, or for advice, or tell him a joke, or go on a hike with him.
Love you, dad.

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american anons, is this true? are these the same kids that are upset about capitalism and being broke? the ones on 4channel saying how cringe it is to torrent or watch it pirated online for free?
in russia no teen pays for that shit, even the ones with rich parents, piracy has become genetic

>> No.14696805

>>14696704
I lived in Bahrain, that little island next to Saudi Arabia. Those are incredibly pretty horses! I would often see camels, but not so much horses. Although you did sometimes see people riding horses, herding a group of camels along the road. We're only getting around 5C temperatures in Western Europe, it's been an unfortunate while since it was nice and icy/snowy. In Bahrain we'd get sand mists instead, couldn't see anything during those sand storms.

>> No.14696833

Suicide is escapism like reading fantasy novels. That's why it's cringe.

>> No.14696846

>>14696787
If people stop buying media pirates won't be able to reap the benefits, it's a symbiotic relationship

>> No.14696847

>>14696593
That's from Hume isn't it
t. Philosophylet

>> No.14696850

>>14696833
Wrong, thinking about suicide is escapism, just like everything you do in your life

>> No.14696921

>>14696707
I would agree with the direction of those solutions. It's funny how contingent but corroborated in some way from different people/directions the journey is. Dialectic is a thing but perhaps requires some Nietzschean or Emersonian personal energy/force behind it. Ten years ago I was reading ray brassier and haven't stopped following him. Other related stuff as well. Then you come upon people who kind of yank you forward and articulate better what you had been becoming convinced of. Rosen about a year ago, whom ray quickly cites at the beginning of his book and whom I doubt he has read 100 pages of. Before Rosen, Scheler to a lesser extent, whom Rosen cites, appraising his approach in preference to Husserl's in an endnote.

Those solutions open up new (or not so new) difficulties, and attract different people.

>>14696720
Why another merely coherent system of generic ideas?

>> No.14696930

Whitehead is the Lovecraft of contemporary philosophy; his "process" is like the Mythos.

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i have been taking an antidepressant form 4 months and since then i have only ejaculated 2 times in wet dreams with no orgasm. i no longer feel horny and i don't even look at women anymore.
i am feeling really good and free with this asexual position. i feeling like a kid once again.

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This happened years ago. I lived pretty far away so I would stay out for extended periods with this girl I was kind of in love with. We had been staying with this other couple we had just met for the past few nights in their hotel rooms. 27 year old guy and 16 year old girl. Both meth heads. The girl was actually pretty and the guy was not. We (me + girl) would smoke some of their meth and drink, and they let us sleep on their bed. They never seemed to fuck and barely ate.
They had a friend who was a very disgusting heroin addict guy that was rude to me. When my girl left for work, I decided I'd beat the guy's ass and steal his car. I had been in plenty of fight but never stole a car. I asked him for a ride, and once we got to the car I hit him in the face and started choking him. I thought to myself 'what the fuck am I doing?'. As I was choking him, he took the car off park and it drifted out of the parking space. I let go because he was making too much noise and it was all becoming too much. I got out and hit him a few times, then just left. As I was walking a random, older woman walked up to me and asked me for a lighter. This was the second time a random female had asked me for a lighter as a pickup line within the past couple weeks. She looked like she used drugs, so I asked if she had any 'shit' (meaning meth) and she responded by asking if I had weed. For some reason I had a bag of shitty weed someone gave me in my pocket, so I pulled it out to show her. We then walked to a very nearby creek to smoke our meth and weed.
During this, she told me about a son she had & abandoned that would've been about my age. For some reason I got very horny and pulled my dick out. I ended up having her jerk me off as I was sucking her tits and calling her mommy lmao. And she was going along with it. She was not bad looking either.

I then left and ended up meeting with the girl I liked. There was a period of about 4 months, when I was using drugs a lot, that included some truly insane stories. This was about right in the middle.

>> No.14697056

>>14696733
What do you mean by Schopenhauer's project? I only have babby's first understanding of Schopenhauer myself to be honest, I assumed for a long time that he was just "the phenomenal is like the veil of maya, the noumenal is the World-Will but there's not much to it other than that, so be sad but enjoy music since it at least gets you closest to the Will." Basically the Wikipedia summary. But my extremely brilliant friend recently has been convincing me to go back and read Schopenhauer deeply, try to see past all the vulgarisations he's suffered over the years. He's convinced that Schopenhauer was a genuine mystic and phenomenologist in his own right, not a mere systematizer of Kant, which is how I always unfairly stereotyped him.

So when you say "Schopenhauer's project in Husserl's framework" you are getting at more or less exactly what I am interested in myself. I'm interested in any transcendental phenomenology that doesn't reify arbitrary schemata, but actually tries to access metaphysical knowledge at a level higher than discursive reason, and in the process, wakes that faculty up in us (or causes it to be cultivated from its present, potential state). We shouldn't be interested in simply taking up Schopenhauer's scheme, but in exploring what Schopenhauer saw, what glimpses of genuine insight he had beyond the veil of maya, even if (maybe) he didn't know he had them, or he knew for a time, but then became forgetful, lapsing back into merely discursive expositions of them. I want to go look at the history of philosophy from the perspective that every great thinker like Schopenhauer was already doing Husserl's project, but without realising it. They had the concrete content but not the form.

Because we now have the form, we can go reclaim their content, and combine the two, rather than simply going back and "playing" with their content at a dinky level (like how some modern philosophy students will desire so strongly to react against modern disenchanted paradigms that they'll go LARP as a Spinozist, without realising that Spinoza's ontological/phenomenological naivete can't be recaptured, so you can't even really "be" a Spinozist in the same way that he was. You have to "be" something reflective of your own world-historical moment, and reclaim and sublate the materials prepared by previous moments.

So yeah I absolutely see value in it, and no not a stupid question at all. I'm probably a retard and garbling this shit with my own half-understandings of it, so by all means, don't assume that I'm not stupid myself.

You might like Colin Wilson. He can seem like an anglo crank at first but he basically thought that the romantic/post-Kantian era was supposed to be this mass spiritual awakening of human potential and new faculties etc., but instead we lapsed into a spiritual sickness and forgetfulness that makes us neurotic and depressed. He basically thought we were all supposed to become William Blake. He wrote the Outsider Cycle.

>> No.14697057

Giving Preggoghosts coathanger-abortions would only create more ghosts.

>> No.14697076

>>14696720
I definitely see what you mean with this, trust me, I just agree with this dude: >>14696921 The question necessarily becomes: How do we choose one abstraction over another?

Go back to the 5th century BC, and what do you have? Sophists saying you can't know nothing, and pre-Socratics (possibly with varying levels of actual occult/visionary insight or experimental drug use or who knows what the fuck) spitballing their pet theories to one another. Throw the later atomistic mechanists in the mix, and you have our current situation. Everyone's a sceptical mechanist by default (like James says, we're now practically "born hard-headed"), and a few people rebel against this by doing.. what? By becoming one of these pre-Socratics with fanciful and mutually incommensurable schemes of what is metaphysically primordial. I am certainly not a sophist, but how do I pick which Empedocles or Anaxagoras to listen to? Let alone considering I'll probably have to initiate into their bean-worshiping cult for 20 years to even see the fruits of my labours? Some criterion of selection is necessary here or else you become an aesthete, just playing with equally valid schemes.

>>14696921
Yeah I agree with you completely, it's fucking spooky sometimes how everybody seems to be getting at the same thing. Even the ones who are bad at it are still "pointing" toward it, somehow, like their wrongness is leaning in the direction of at least the path toward a solution.

I love Rosen and I love Strauss' reading of the crisis of historicism (linguistic immanence). I always remember this line from NR&H:
>What Machiavelli did apparently, our social science would actually do if it did not prefer--only God knows why--generous liberalism to consistency: namely, to give advice with equal competence and alacrity to tyrants as well as to free peoples.
Technique doesn't care who it serves, and all we've done is sharpen technique for 200 years. Our actual spiritual core is made up of faded tatters of enlightened humanism, and it's replaced more and more every day by its entelechy, hedonistic utilitarian consumerism, the letzten mensch.

What in Scheler do you/Rosen find valuable? I never know how to approach him. I'm gonna stop posting self-indulgent walls of text in the thread, sorry.

>>14696744
Really beautiful anon, god bless.

>> No.14697078

very little

>> No.14697097

I'm in limerance, I'm obsessed. You are my cure and my curse. Please don't make that face, I can't stand it, it kills me inside. Life feels a waste because I will never be the bringer of your smile, but I'll want to live forever just to keep my memory of it. Loving you is God, I'm in hell.

>> No.14697116

>>14696258
Serious, it baffles me just how incapable the average person is when it comes to forming ideas/opinions beyond straw-men and overly biased points of view.

>> No.14697145

>>14696258
You're doing it wrong if you're wasting time to write lengthy shit on fast boards though, it's a waste of time

>> No.14697161

so many words
so little worth

>> No.14697212

>>14696999
Checked ironic numbas and I can relate to that. I've been on anti depressants for about a year and a half now, and in that time I've barely even desired relationships with women. It's definitely pretty sweet being asexual, friends are worrying about finding arthoes to fuck while I've only downloaded tinder once as a joke while drunk to prove how easy it is to get women. It's definitely allowed me to realise that lots of seeking relationships and talking to women is just a waste of time that I now better spend reading. That being said, I do think the meds have made me even colder a person, I practically never express emotion, which can be a bit disconcerting for some people apparently.

>> No.14697214

>>14696846
Only in the current commercial driven paradigm of media consumption
Apart from movies which really need commercial backing or some other kind of funding, stuff like literature, painting or music don't need commercial incentive to exist

>> No.14697218

I really wish i could improve upon reading books but i reject the positive message for whatever reason.

>> No.14697332

>>14697218
Just keep in mind that message is rejected by the author as well, that's why they write it

>> No.14697336

>>14697332
what do you mean? they write for themselves first?

>> No.14697371

From all I did and all I said
let no one try to find out who I was.
An obstacle was there distorting
the actions and the manner of my life.
An obstacle was often there
to stop me when I'd begin to speak.
From my most unnoticed actions,
my most veiled writing -
from these alone will I be understood.
But maybe it isn't worth so much concern,
so much effort to discover who I really am.
Later, in a more perfect society,
someone else made just like me
is certain to appear and act freely.

>> No.14697389

>>14696067
People in Las Vegas really suck at math. I bought a three dollar coffee at McDicks and they couldn't figure out what change to give me. (Their computer systems were down.) Went to a buffet the next morning and although I paid the exact price of the buffet, the lady rang it up as if I paid twenty extra dollars. I got like twenty bucks back. Then I went to a strip club and some dumb bitch charged me forty dollars for one song.

>> No.14697497

>>14697336
They write out of cope for not acting

>> No.14697500

>>14697497
is all literature just a big cope?

>> No.14697510

I want to discuss rahxephon but nobody else does

>> No.14697608

>>14697500
Whatever isn't cope will most likely be mourning if you want my honest desu

>> No.14698353

Any Classics or Ancient Greece anons who can tell me if the Emily Wilson translation of The Odyssey is any good?

>> No.14698494

>>14697056
Thank you for the good post. I will certainly look into Colin Wilson. Also, your friend is definitely right that Schopenhauer is much much more than just a systematizer of Kant. I recommend at least reading his SEP article to see if you'd be interested in his main work.

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>>14696067
>>14696259
>Joker lost best picture
Society is getting what it fucking deserves

>> No.14698865

>>14698556
oscars is the same as nobels in literature - political virtue signaling

>> No.14699057

>>14697097
Hormones are a hell of a drug.

>> No.14699104

>>14698556
Yeah, it lost to a better movie

>> No.14699358

>there are actually people without “inner monologues”
What the fuck I thought that was just a /pol/ meme. How the hell does that even work, are they even conscious? Language is completely fundamental to the mind, people who are raised in total isolation end up being closer to animals, and even people who can’t hear or speak will think in signs. If there’s really nothing inside someone’s mind aren’t they literally just a pzombie? This is freaking me out.

>> No.14699392

>>14699358
>inner monologues
does talking with yourself count?

>> No.14699431

>>14699392
Yeah. at first I thought “oh that seems normal it’s not like I have a narrator going 24/7” but apparently they’re referring to a complete lack of verbal thoughts, just complete mental silence now and forever.

>> No.14699662

>>14697212
Tinder "women" are easy, if you pick one up or bang her so to say it means basically nothing, you just fulfilled a cum dumpsters desire.
That cute girl that reads in the library on the other hand. Well that chief is the true challenge

>> No.14699675

>>14698353
Nope, I tend to skip over classic translations by women. Reason being that their translations are soulless.

>> No.14699845

>>14699675
All of the articles online basically describe it as a 21st century redux for feminist virtue signaling. I heard this translation was true to the original but I’m suspicious now. Do you have any recommendations for a good translation?

>> No.14699857

>>14699675
gay

>> No.14699882

>>14699845
Richmond for true translation, Pope for a fun read

>> No.14699905

>>14699845
Lattimore is the best translation I've read that stays close to the structure and language of the original Ancient Greek. His Iliad and Odyssey are both excellent.

>> No.14700211

How to find personal meaning of life? I try to read as many books as possible and craft it from read experience.

>> No.14700216

Baptize me in grease. Everywhere I go may the smell of deep-fried corpses of animals follow. Fill me to the brim with butter, so that I gargle on its sweet, salty embrace. Roll me, batter me in dough and crusts, damn my soul for all eternity in the hot, blinding oils of hell's bottomless frilator. Still my blood with sacrilegious clots! Defile the sanctity of the organic unity of the body with corrupt indulgence. Annihilate me and all of the works of man under a horrifying, boiling oily yellow tide.

>> No.14700220

>>14696067
We live We die We live again

>> No.14700346

Am I the only one who feels heartbroken by the fact that our time could be the beginning of humanity's downfall? This might really be as far as we'll ever go, and that is so incredibly sad. We could've been gods.

>> No.14700442

At times I want to scream. I never do. But I want to.

>> No.14700476

Whats is the opposite of psychopath?

>> No.14700482

>>14696067
how do different species end up showing much of the same evolutionary adaptations, like similarity in eyes. How does this happen?

>> No.14700487

I think it's time for me to finally admit to myself that I'm a fag. Being with people is the most important thing for me and it seems I will never be in a romantic relationship again since homosexual life is unattractive to me and I don't want to trick a poor woman into wasting her life with me.
Also, having a family and raising kids is something I always saw as a goal in life, which now hurts a bit, but it's also liberating in a way since anything I do now is meaningless the same way, so I don't have to fall for thoughts that I'm wasting my life studying and not building a family and working for its' welfare.
The only two things I really struggle with now are, how do I talk to my parents, family AND FRIENDS when they ask me in a few years why I have no gf and family yet and how do I respond to girls that might be interested in me without embracing a gay image.

Anyway, dumb and gay post is over. Just wanted to vent somewhere and not just keep it to myself.

>>14700346
Do you think people haven't felt this way before? In times of world wars for example?

>> No.14700493

>>14700476
Empath maybe?

>> No.14700544

>>14700476
psyhopaths only live in the present, so yeah something like an empath or a autist.

>> No.14700551

>>14700482
Go back far enough and everything has a common ancestor

>>14700346
>We could've been gods
I really doubt that. But we could at least be better than we are now.

>>14700216
Foreverial tiedup delitized

>> No.14700556

>>14700482
similarity in environment and shared evolutionary lineage, I would assume

>> No.14700561

>>14700551
but don't you think imitation is possible even without common ancestors?

>> No.14700567

>>14700487
There are plenty of gays who are in relationships and don't really do the "lifestyle"

>> No.14700594

>>14700561
Well sure yeah. On a hypothetical earth-like world with a similar sun, I wouldn't be too surprised if the creatures there had eyes similar to our own. Though I also wouldn't be surprised if they were radically different. There are examples of "convergent evolution" where species that evolved on seperate continents (and that aren't closely related) have very similar traits, like aloe and agave plants for example

>> No.14700716

All this talk of Valentine's Day is making me wish, if only a little bit, that I was in a relationship with somebody else. I think about it often, but I get immediately disgusted when I imagine myself with anyone else and having sex with them. I just want to hold hands with them and talk about my feelings. But, on the other hand, I'm doing fine without it. Actually, you know what? Girlfriends are for fags- being with a woman, that's the most homosexual thing a person can do, unless if they're a tomboy, then it's "based".

Though, if a QT confesses her pure love for me on Valentine's day or whatever, I'll happily take it. Where they!? Do they even exist? There must be somebody who sees me and thinks "I want to know more about that mysterious-looking (see: spergy) fellow over there with autistic shit plastered all over his laptop! This is what I'm attracted to!" and is also somewhat autistic.

I think I will just order takeout on the 14th and masturbate to some futa. Then I'll watch a movie I've had on my backlog for a while.

>> No.14700737

>>14700716
This post ia gayer than having a gf, for sure

>> No.14700751

>>14697076
Scheler I value more as an eclectic of his time and Nietzschean than for his weird somewhat Schellingian speculative system, though it is suggestive. He tends to be more ahistorically technical and personal in his argumentation which I find a nice contrast to his contemporaries. I've mostly read his essays/late stuff and stuff from his nachlass. I find Idole der Selbsterkenntnis and the stuff on phenomenology and Vom Idee des Menschen useful as addressing itself more to and prosecuting 'naturalism' than say Heidegger does. I think there's more of a dialectical bridge than Heidegger's approach reveals, which I honestly don't know well first-hand. And he's not as much of a weirdo and afraid of politics as Heidegger.

Glad to hear you like James, the will to believe and some kind of radical empiricism lead me to the legitimacy of experiments in less 'respectable' directions, as have Strauss and others via historiology and history. Naturalism's self-account is somewhat laughably simply ignorant.

>> No.14700769

>>14700737
There's nothing wrong with futa or tomboys, those two are actually the straightest fetishes a man can have.

>> No.14700782

>>14700769
I actually referring to your tone

>> No.14700791

>selling phone
>guy shows up on wrong day
>wake up to texts
>Hey u there
>?
>?
>?

who goes "?"

what kind of fucked up one-note single-digit brain do you have to have that you don't go "Dude are you there" or something, you just go "?"

?

what does it look like inside his brain?
>Me want thing
>No thing?
>???
>?
>????

>> No.14700905

Yesterday I got drunk alone for the first time in my life. I've started on a bad road, and I don't think I even want to turn back.

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aaaauuuuhhh... hehe... mumba junga...

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>>14700905
stick to beer, you'll be okay. don't fuck around with hard liquor.

t. been boozing for ten years straight almost every day

>> No.14700982

>>14700963
Based

>> No.14701090

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I FUCKING HATE THIS SO MUCH

>> No.14701129

>>14696846
parasitic, really. but it's okay because normals are barely even human.

>> No.14701139

>>14701129
>normals are barely even human
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

>> No.14701167

>>14699882
>Richmond
Lattimore?

>> No.14701188

>>14700211
There literally isn’t one, just pick one that you think you can meme yourself into believing sincerely

>> No.14701281

I've been depressed for years. I spend most of my time alone. Why is it that the sleepless nights are always the worst?

>> No.14701293

>>14701281
Unironically one of the things that helped me most with depression was sleeping and getting up early. I don't know whether it's just me or it's something in general, but it's much easier to be depressed during the night than early morning.

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Haven't been able to concentrate enough on anything these past couple days after meeting this girl. I won't be seeing her anytime in the future but for ffs my hormones or monkey brain is going haywire and wont stop the constant day dreaming. Call it a narcissistic modern response but 'falling in love' is annoyingly unproductive.

>> No.14701564

>>14696067
im a bit of a dilettante, and while i think its good to dabble in things you enjoy, i have no focus. work is increasingly taking up more and more of my life. so what time i have is growing more and more scarce. i feel like i have to choose. i have already given up things that took up a lot of time, like martial arts and even learning a language.

>> No.14701571

>>14696067
Douglas Murray is right

>> No.14701780

I don't know if I can keep believing that this is reality. Existence is so fucking cruel I'm starting to think this whole thing is my personal hell where I'm going to be eternally punished. If this actually is real, there has to be a god, for only god could play such a disgusting joke as humanity.

>> No.14701835

Decided to kill myself when I turn 50. So another twenty years to suffer through and then I'm done. This has improved my baseline mood and given me some optimism for the future.
The girl doesn't love me but I don't need her to, just knowing her is enough. Having the proof of her existence. Knowing that yes, I could have been happy. That I was not born in a world where happiness is conditionally impossible. That I can contribute in some small way to her happiness.
I love because it makes me feel human, not because I ever expected to have it returned.

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>>14696258
>>tfw i can't even tell what is going to provoke weird response like this anymore

>> No.14702483

>>14701188
I tried tricking myself into believing one but i always broke the illusion. The fact that one day im going to die is way too strong for me to consider some sort of balancing trick.

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I don’t think I can get anywhere in life without a partner. I’m at a breaking point where I just can’t stand keeping everything to myself anymore. I have never opened up to anyone about my interests. Nobody has ever heard about my concerns for politics, history, religion, or any of the countless books I’ve read in my free time. I don’t struggle with schoolwork and yet I don’t do much outside of it.

I’m not sure how much longer I can take being introverted and keeping my thoughts to myself. At this point I think that having a strong relationship and romance is one of the greatest benefits to life, because it would not only help me emotionally by giving me confidence and building a lifelong companionship, but she would also be the key in expanding my social capital and exerting greater influence on my community. I really don’t think I could get anywhere without a gf, particularly one that’s part of a large community and extended family just as I am. Even casual sex isn’t that appealing to me anymore, I just want a permanent partnership and someone to hold every night so I don’t feel alone thinking about how shit the world is.

>> No.14702593

>>14702528
>my concerns for politics, history, religion, or any of the countless books I’ve read in my free time.
Dont share your opinions with gf

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>>14696215
no, the pain has only begun

>> No.14702604

>>14696067
I'm a retarded dilettante with no real knowledge of everything and want to kill myself. All I do is squander my time in front of the pc and atrophy and half-read books that I immediately forget, I'm ostensibly interested in literature and philosophy but can barely say anything substantial about either of those things.

>> No.14702620

>>14702604
Who cares man, just do what you enjoy. If it bothers you so much, make an schedule to spend less time online and read more.

>> No.14702625

>>14696067
Fully accepted that I, myself, am the one who is to undertake this long voyage into the unknown. The course will be arduous and tiring, my spirit and heart will be broken countless times, yet I know what I strive for is beyond my own selfish desires and is nothing short of becoming an asset for my fellow man. And to be my own man, that means nothing short of being alone, truly alone. I do hope to find a companion once more who I may bestow faith and love, but there is no rush for that. With sound mind body and soul I know I am ready for what tomorrow will bring, be it demise or fruition.

>> No.14702638

>>14702620
I'll never follow any schedule I set for myself, I hate using the computer but it's all I've done for 15+ years now

>> No.14702721

Could the communication by plants via releasing chemicals be considered a perfect language since it's not bound by "rules" but by laws of nature?

>> No.14702908

Nothing is good and everything should end.

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>>14702908
punished satan, a devil denied his trips

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>been living in the same shitty town working the same dead end job since leaving school
Doesn't feel good bros...

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Nobody cares about anything I do and I'm bad to mediocre at everything

Why am I even alive

>> No.14702951

>>14702948
>Why am I even alive
shitposts

>> No.14702975

Die a horrible death, OP

>> No.14702980

i want to be loved.
i want to be loved
i want to love

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14702989

college gym closed again for no good reason and now I have to pay tribute again for the privilege of picking up and putting down heavy objects

>> No.14702993

is there a cure for anhedonia

>> No.14703148

I wish I lived in ancient Europe, since my wee wee looks just like the ones on ancient statues

>>14702993
MDMA

>> No.14703169

>>14703148
MDMA is only a palliative, not a cure.
t. anhedeonic who has taken MDMA several times before

>> No.14703205

It's cathartic to think that I'll be the last to carry this genes

>> No.14703206

>>14702604
Read Meditations and go to /fit/

>> No.14703260

>>14702528
>have never opened up to anyone about my interests. Nobody has ever heard about my concerns for politics, history, religion, or any of the countless books I’ve read in my free time.
Similar situation. I began making YouTube videos to fulfill this need somewhat.
>Currently at 51 subscribers

>> No.14703265

Irl frens started mentioning 4chan terms
Weird when it happens
It's like a freemason meeting another freemason

>> No.14703281

>>14703206
I've read Aurelius before, he read to me like tepid contemporary self-help books.

>> No.14703301

>>14699392
if you are having conversations in your mind, you have an inner monologue. it's literally just the voice in your head

>> No.14703312

>>14703301
But how come those people cant have the inner monologue? Its not that hard

>> No.14703348

>>14700716
although i am touched starved and long for the embrace of a woman, i could go my whole life being a KHV with no interactions with women. the problem then becomes other people. what if when i am 50 and someone figures out i am a virgin, how could they possibly perceive me if not as a freak

>> No.14703370

>>14703312
i can't answer your questions because i don't know when i recieved an inner monologue, it was just always there. maybe when i was 3 i started thinking in words rather than images and it become normal and so maybe someone never had life experiences that made them make that switch. or maybe inner monologue is misunderstood and we arent talking about the same mental phenomena

>> No.14703392
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14703392

i remember seeing a woman with a perfect face paired with a calming, motherly voice and actually lost my breath and became teary eyed that such angelic beauty exists

>> No.14703401

is there such a thing as a girl coming out of uni/college who hasn't been gangfucked at least once?

>> No.14703427
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14703427

I have a dream that I hold close to my heart. When I imagine the dream in my head, the setting is rarely the same. Sometimes I’m laying on a tropical beach with white sands and clear water, palm trees waving in the gentle ocean breeze. Sometimes I’m in the rocking chair on my grandmother’s porch, the twilight air thick with the heavy summer humidity and fireflies dancing in the fields of wheat. Sometimes I’m curled up on an old, beat up sofa, rain pattering of the apartment window, thunder rolling in the distance, a scratched up vinyl playing on the record player. But none of these are the dream, they're just the stage. The real dream is the girl who is always sitting next to me. We’re always sitting next to each other, holding hands, each of us reading our own book. We’re always reading, but that’s the dream, finding a book girl who lives just as much for reading as I do. In my dreams when I was younger, we always had hardcover books, but now I see us with e-readers, because of course, how else to read one handed? Now we can flip pages with one hand and never have to unlock the fingers of our other. That’s the dream. To have someone in my life who wants to just sit with me and read, just as much as I want to sit with them and read. The dream goes on like that, warm in the presence of each other, the silence a blanket we cozy up underneath.

When I’m lying in bed late at night, letting the dream play on longer than is healthy for me, I always feel her squeeze my hand. I look up from my book to see her looking at me. She smiles and turns her head to the side, her eyebrows going up just a bit silently asking me if I’m okay. I can only smile in return, giving her hand a squeeze too. In those last moments of the dream, before the heartbreak of knowing it isn’t real take over, before the dread of knowing it probably never will be real hits me, she starts to lean over to give me a kiss. Even in my dreams, I’m still a coward and I can only close my eyes, waiting for her lips to touch mine. Even in my dreams, I’m always left waiting. I always wake up from the daydream alone, the book I’m holding like a weight I can no longer lift, my hands ice cold from the lack of her touch.

>> No.14703428

>>14703169
too bad.
I'd suffered from depression and severe anxiety for years and the sole experience of what happiness actually feels like that MD gave me was enough to start off my slow recovery.

But I guess it totally doesn't work universally.. and the comedown might even make things worse for some.

>> No.14703443

>>14703392
that's pretty gay
>>14703401
yes
>>14702721
you really think it's less bound than sophisticated human language?

>> No.14703476
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14703476

Spend this month's salary on prostitutes and books. Is this the /lit/ lifestyle?

>> No.14703911

>>14696251
i fucking cringe when i these kind of posts

>> No.14703920

>>14703476
>salary
No, close but not close enough

>> No.14703962

I feel thousands of miles long

>> No.14704002

Old crush who I went dates with and ended up, begrudgingly, confessing my feelings to, then got rejected over Facebook has called me at 4 am at night after 3 years of radio silence. I ignored it then she messaged me again. While I believe I've grown to be a better man than when I was meeting her and frankly I forgot about her. I've come to eschew the type of woman she was and presumably is. Yet, this uninvited rekindling of contact is perturbing, making me reflect upon my being once more. Am I the man i believe to me? Are the rules of attraction I have come to feel just arbitrary? Does she know what she is doing to me? As we all will soon discover, the past should belong to the past but much like the old-new Nike airs, I might not be able to prevent myself in the indulgences of the past.

>> No.14704053

Valentine's Day coming up and things with my gf of two months are looking very bad. She was an angel for the first month, then went completely cold. I've been clinging on in the hopes she'll return to how she was but it seems she won't. Sad time to be in a dying or dead relationship. Sad time. Wish I could fix things.

>> No.14704090

>>14704053
Women are angels to you only if they feel you're worth it. Something must have changed her perception of you during this time.

>> No.14704100

I legitimately believe that at some point in my life I will hurt someone badly, and I will enjoy it to the point where I won't be able to stop myself anymore. I don't know what to do. If I tell someone about these fears, I might get locked up. But then again, maybe I should be. I don't particularly enjoy life, so getting medicated into a drooling vegetable might be the correct path for me.

>> No.14704330

>>14696251
yesss <3 love u horseanon

>> No.14704617

>>14696067
On my mind rests the weight of the meaning of being.

>> No.14704635

>>14696258
>>they were mystified and thought i was a real "character" because i use a stool as a table for putting a lamp on
lol

>> No.14704637

>>14704617
Fuck off, Immanuel.

>> No.14704662

The fact that not a single person in my life realizes that I hate myself and living in general, really makes me question if I myself know the true character of any of them.

>> No.14704666

>>14703392
that's hetero as fuck

>> No.14704688

>>14703443
Yes, by rules I mean inventions. Human languages are inventions. What I'm asking if this lack of inventedness could make a language more perfect? Like, the plant communication might have 0 ambiguity and might convey reality better than any human language.

>> No.14704745

>>14704090
That's why I'm so confused. Just overnight she changed completely. Writes completely differently to me, always flakes. Won't tell me anything going on with her anymore. Nothing happened between us then, in fact nothing of note happened at all. We went to bed one night and woke up, everything was different. She just treats me so poorly now and I don't know how to fix it.

>> No.14704749

Why does it seem like black people in America think they were the only slaves throughout the ages? Do they actually believe it? Or are they willfully ignorant so they can pretend they need special treatment?

>> No.14704750

>>14696267
no we're just old now

>> No.14704756

>>14704688
Well, ok. It's a perfect language for spreading a very limited set of (mostly very abstract) messages 'without ambiguity' (if it even makes sense to think about ambiguity in abstract communication).

Where are you heading with this thought? Are you simply interested in finding an example of a language that is in a sense better than the human ones?

>> No.14704765

>>14704749
They were the only people to be enslaved because of their race.

>> No.14704782

>>14704756
I'm trying to think how you could communicate with humans like this in describing everything humans can sense, like the plant is with sensing danger, etc. This could solve a lot of problems. Like, could we invent our way into this type of communication or would that be too complex for normal humans? Could far future genetic engineering, cybernetics, etc. change our language into plantlike communication?

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14704952

Is it possible to grow into a workaholic? If so, what if ways to do it?
I'm too lost and I don't know what to do with myself. I need to fall in love with my major I study at university to continue working with it.
It is too monotonous and I should spend at least about three or four hours on it every day.

>> No.14705046

>>14700905
I'm on a roll. When I pass out tonight it'll be 3 days in a row. Maybe I'll get drunk enough to kill myself one of these days. Here's to hoping.

>> No.14705051

>>14705046
I've been doing this on and off for ten years and I'm still alive. Sorry man. It's harder than you think to drink yourself to death.

>> No.14705053

I missed three weeks at university. I feel like it's over.
I even feel like the teachers don't want me in class anymore, and in general they despise me for misses, considering me an idiot.
This atmosphere makes me anxious.
I've driven myself into some kind of mental cage, from which it seems impossible to get out by myself.
I can't answer verbally or try to debate when there are strangers in my group or people I don't know. The only reason I manage to take some subjects is because I have some written papers that give me a minimum score and then a 1 on 1 exam with a teacher.
This results in me simply ceasing to read the teaching material, for want of it.
There are only a couple of classes where I am very much involved in the process and pretend that my information is interesting, and so is the teacher. However, where there is no such effect, it just kills me and I lose any interest.
__
I am fully aware of fear, the possible consequences, but it gives me absolutely nothing. I can't bring myself to think otherwise. Apparently, I'm too stupid and nothing can save me.
__

I have no salvation. Only a miracle will help me graduate from university.

>> No.14705056

Has anybody else noticed that the /lit/ archive is lagging behind? I wanted to look up a post from the other day, but I went to Warosu and they have posts from the end of December at the latest.

>> No.14705061

>>14696067
Kant's sublime homophiliac repression destroyed the world.

>> No.14705114

>>14705051
I bet. I meant more along the lines of getting drunk to the point where I stop caring and finally take care of business. I've had a noose hanging ready for about two years, so all I need is the courage. Even tested if it could hold my weight, so I can feel certain I won't fuck up somehow. I hope you'll make it, man. I wouldn't wish feelings like these upon my worst enemy.

>> No.14705137

>>14705114
Ah my bad. Hope it gets better -- there are a lot of awesome things in the world worth experiencing, even if a lot of it is absolute shit.

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Since high school, I have been able to convince myself that it is not worth looking for a girl at the moment, it will only hurt, and take a lot of effort and time.

It's been three years since I've been at university and I've started thinking about it. I feel like I have created some kind of aura that immediately rejects the possibility of a relationship. It is possible that I just lost the opportunity to feel the attention to myself, to give the same in return.

I am no longer human. I've lost perhaps a vital mechanism that will leave me alone forever. I need honest, preferably lifelong and meaningful relationships. I feel like I've missed all the chances to find the right person and now that I've only realized it is too late.

That's my fate.

>> No.14705158

>>14696067
crossing the border into physical contact with a woman is so hard for me.
the presence of jealous dudes doesn't help either
people tell me i'm cool and tough and i am when someone tests me
but people scare the living shit outta me and it shows sometimes

>> No.14705169

i'm getting to the point of cosmic boredom. have trouble making myself work, even with deadlines. don't really want to do things i used to like, such as video games. just kinda drinking and hiding from people in my shitty apartment. not good, i guess.

>> No.14705263

I failed an exam in one of my classes and now I will have to stay another year more at the university to graduate.
I have even accepted that I will stay, because it will give me time to study the subject better, and there will be more free time to repeat and master it, which is necessary for my future job.

That wasn't it. It's like I forgot what hard work is. I burned out a lot when I was studying for my exam, which I ended up failing. Now I couldn't control myself. I couldn't even bring myself to study for 30 minutes.
The only things I want and can do now are read books, eat, watch anime, and sleep.
>How do I get myself to get back on track? Awareness of purpose doesn't give me any motivation.

>> No.14705298

tfw dating a qt 17 y.o. and 12 years older

>> No.14706005

I fucking hate winter so fucking god man motherfucking much it is fucking dark and wet, where the fuck is the snow you jews. The snow is white and reflective and it shines when the moon is lit and it is lovely and now that thing is gone and winter is now a dark fucking place but now it fucking rains and i fucking hate that shit makes me so fucking sad god fucking dam where the fuck is warm whether give it fucking back so I can go to a fucking park and enjoy the fucking breeze like the natural organism I am now im stuck in my fucking shitty room sucking in classics when I want the summers breeze to hit my cheeks fuck you winter you fucking worst season of all. The thing is I am born in the fucking middle of winter but I am not a child of winter cause winter makes me fucking sad and shitty and grim and fuck all I know fuck life fuck fuck fuck fuck this hole of wet spanks

>> No.14706015

>>14706005
Summer is the worst season, but winter is a close second

>> No.14706025

>>14706015
I dont care for seasons just give me fucking sun radiation fuck damn Okay you have your opinion anon but please for the love of fucking god I need the sun the suns warmth makes me feel like someone is hugging me and I need that I need that feeling Why I dont know maybe the sun knows Fuck being northern and fuck languages

>> No.14706121

>>14706025
Get one of those sun lamps, man. Personally I love when it's gray and cold, it makes me feel like I'm in my element. It was 45 and rainy today, I had to bike 10 miles for work and walk more besides, but honestly I prefer days like today to sunny and warm days for some reason. Maybe because no one is outside.

>> No.14706169

>>14705169
Do you drink out of boredom?

>> No.14706172

whenever i talk about my world view, people tell me "yeah, um, if what you're saying was actually implemented, you'd be the first one to be killed." to which i answer: "indeed"

>> No.14706205

Will literature help me cope with the fact that i will never know what it's like to fall asleep next to someone you love?

>> No.14706219

>>14706172
I'm intrigued, what do you believe?

>>14706205
No.

>> No.14706222

>>14706169
probably not, but the boredom does not help!

>> No.14706241

>>14696067
Haven’t slept in 28 hours and it feels like there’s some viscous goo sloshing around in my skull.

>> No.14706249

>>14706241
Go to bed

>> No.14706254

>>14706241
I feel that a lot. You need to sleep so that your brain can clean up all the trash it has accumulated in the past 28 hours. Drink an entire bottle of water, go to the toilet, then go to sleep.

>> No.14706257

>>14696067
I just hate how now everyone can see and be noticed by everyone, basically I hate being stuck on this earth. I could go to China and not miss my closed ones one bit because of the internet. More and more people I know are becoming viral on the internet, some even appear on tv and it's fucking surreal, I don't have that sheltered feeling anymore, being in my own little space, I feel like everything is exposed nowadays.

>> No.14706310

>>14706257
Be happy for your friends' successes. Delete your social media, no one is making your participate.

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>>14696067
I started saying "thank you very much" instead of just "thank you" and I think it has noticeably improved my interactions with other humans

>> No.14706431

I feel like theres nothing i can do to elevate myself from the thought that your life is meaningless when you're going to die one day. Its too much for me but i cannot avert my eyes from it.

>> No.14706464

>>14706431
Life is meaningless, but it doesn't matter. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. Remember the ancients were smarter than you and they were spiritual, that materialism is broken by the hard problem of consciousness, and that therefore the big spiritual traditions are onto something big. Read Ecclesiastes and the Bhagavad Gita.

>> No.14706465

Been reapeating "ooey gooey louie" to myself for 7 or 8 hours and I can't stop.

>> No.14706473

>>14706464
I for one literally have to tell myself life is meaningless in order to be happy.

>> No.14706479

>>14706464
Nihilism didnt set me free but rather made me even more depressed.

>> No.14706524

>>14706479
It's not quite nihilism, more the knowledge that this life of matter is not all there is, that in fact it is quite unimportant, that it is neither to be accepted or rejected.

>> No.14706566

>>14706524
But does it bring joy?

>> No.14706615

I'm attracted to preteen girls.

>> No.14706623
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14706623

I'm 33. chan is 90% up to 21. Decade difference. I'm here because I'm, i dunno, i'm just not good at living, so this is some sort of surrogate socialising activity reading comments and stuff. Problem: i'm to old for chan but I don't know how and where to find a place where most of the users are fully adults.

>> No.14706630

>>14706623
sup 30 year old here
we're so fucked culturally

>> No.14706639

>>14706566
Yes! This life is like a movie, or a magician's show. At worst, a test.

>> No.14706665

>>14706623
Too Old to Chan, to Young to Die

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14706675

>>14696067
Who is fundamentally smarter
/lit/ or /sci/

>> No.14706680

>>14706665
oh, we can die

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14706873

Exploitation and immorality all over the place. Yet people present themselves to be moral and attack any sign of of wrong doing. Same people one day doing moral things, another day immoral things... I never really understood how to swallow all that.
Contradictions bring cognitive dissonance in me, something inside me wants to see things either black or white. I dont wan't the mix, i want the truth. Truth is white and simple.

>> No.14707002

>>14696067
bitches and hoes may break my bones
but thots will never hurt me

>> No.14707072

>>14703427
Fuck you shitty prose, who the FUCK is that goddess in that picture?

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14707099

>>14696215
>>14696833
>>14696850
>>14701090
>>14702598
I don't even know what to do anymore. It's all so painful. Should I just wait it out? Is this the sort of thing that just goes away over time? Do I need to do something to make it go away? Why is life like this. Pic semi related

>> No.14707334

>>14706675

Fundamentally they are both midwit idiots pantomiming what they think is intelligent conversation in their fields of study. To say one or the other is "smarter" is to misunderstand the purpose of either.

>> No.14708112

I don't get people who speak of "dying alone" as if it is an especially bad thing. I mean you're dying anyway and will soon enter oblivion lol

>> No.14708170

>>14706623
https://voca.ro/1kbvyCWR3Pz

>> No.14708184

>>14707099
i assume this site is mostly jewish or asian because literally no other group would obsess about jews this much
why does agatha hate us so?

>> No.14708201

>>14707099

4chan is a release valve and a maybe ultimately a sincere counterculture with a contra value system

It's a reaction to existing in an inauthentic, hyper-repressive society

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14708223

I'm the guy who posted a few threads ago about how I was freaking out about learning Latin for my master's degree. Whoever suggested switching to French, even though I have no background in it, may have actually saved my degree in the long-term. This is so much easier to read than Latin already, and the Latin that I did study, and do remember, is helping me out. I'm ordering French For Reading off of Amazon right now, and I've downloaded the Cosmopolite app on my phone. It's hard to describe why things feel easier. Maybe it's because this is a living language as opposed to a dead one. Regardless, I immediately feel more comfortable trying to read French than I ever have with Latin, despite studying Latin for years.

>> No.14708459

>>14708184
>>14708201
I just want to know if the pain of living goes away over time, if it's periodical, or if I need to do something to make it go away.

>> No.14708494

I want to get better at writing but I'm incapable of accepting that I'll have to write endless amounts of dogshit in order to achieve even the most basic level of competency.

>> No.14708515

>>14696067
Sometimes I just feel like randomly fucking all the women who like me, but I feel guilty that they have boyfriend's. I also feel that they are nothing but harlots who spread disease and filth. I get so angry that I am a virgin with all of these shitty opportunities to fuck my life up, but my own morality strangles me.

My other problem is, the Vidya and jerking off doesn't work anymore. I feel like I'm slowly drifting into my late 30s without ever experiencing the world and its pleasures. I've been on this shitty site since 2004, and I'm still in the same position that I was 15 years ago. It's not even the fact that life is passing me by, which it is, it's that everything thing is so goddamn redundant. Nothing really truly matters, we just distract ourselves until we die. Life is a cope, anyone who tells you otherwise is full of shit. Maybe one day I'll fuck and afterwards kill myself. I'm just a big hypocrite.

>> No.14708533

>>14697116
I wouldn't say they're incapable, just unwilling. they believe what they believe because shared beliefs increase social cohesion. they want to fit in and they don't really get anything out of analyzing their viewpoints because they lack intellectual curiosity.

>> No.14708541

>>14708494
Well, your post is total dogshit, so you are making some progress. (It's not as hard as you think)

>> No.14708617

>>14706623
get drunk at your local with the rest of the boomers

>> No.14708788

My job is meaningless. I've offered multiple solutions to the company to improve productivity, but the answer is always "we've never done it that way here". I was promised a juicy raise and promotion after a probation period to only receive 50 cents more and a promotion into what I was already doing. The female workers hate me because I do a good job and make them look bad. The male workers hate me because I'm young and work hard. I started learning my bosses job, which is 90% email correspondence with clients, and he doesn't like how fast I'm learning it and I'm now on shit duty. Took him 4 years to realize how to make template emails you slightly change, an actual dumbass, but he is my boss. It's just suffering being somewhere that constantly asks for input and feedback on the company, just for anything I give to be thrown away.

I suggested condensing our phone department of 2 people and the boss to a smaller space so we could have more room to hire people and get more workers, since we have an excess of things to do. My boss shot down the idea because he would have to have a smaller desk and wouldn't be in the center of our office. Literally we have room for 1 more person right now, but with my suggestion we could have room for 4 more people. The owners just renovated the break area so we definitely arent moving any time soon, yet are at max capacity worker and excess capacity workload.

Any woman above 30 is also an absolute bitch filled with sludge and toxins in their veins. Constant gossip and being rude behind people's backs. Texting on their phones and barely doing work then complaining that they have too much work to catch up on. We hired a fat chick who does almost zero work, but brings donuts for the office every day so the boss wants to promote her.

Should I just find somewhere better? I love some of the people but I feel so constrained here, especially after my boss wanted to promote the woman who does literally nothing except make coffee, bring donuts and uses the bathroom for 3 hours at work(I timed it).

>> No.14708804

>>14708788
get the fuck out if at all possible, that will not get better. jesus.

>> No.14708824

>>14696258
>tfw totally disconnected from average normie consciousness
>tfw went from being concerned about this to finding it somewhere between hilarious and irrelevant

>> No.14708854

>>14708824
Go place to be annon. been there for a good 3 years now. Now I drift from melancholy to entertained. Its not a bad mindset all and all.

>> No.14708867

>>14708824
how do you keep from getting frustrated by it? I often feel like the only sober person at a party.

>> No.14708878

>>14696258
>>14708824
it's all about who you associate with, many are barely recognizable as human anymore... this is especially the case at college. if you feel like a space alien it means you should associate with different people

>> No.14708892

I have borderline personality disorder, and despite having a budding relationship, I'm terrified by the fact that no one will love me the way I love them.

>> No.14708911

I keep wondering if I'm too old to be here (4channel) as a 30 year old.

>> No.14708928

>>14708892
If you're truly bpd that's because you love people in an insane, irrational way that disregards all possible evidence, until you suddenly switch and despise the person for similarly unclear reasons. So yes, nobody will love you the way you love them.

>> No.14708933

>>14708892
does it matter as long as they love you? just enjoy the love they give you and love them as you see fit. If they feel you love them too much then they didn't love you. as long as you don't smother them you should be alright.

>> No.14708937

>>14708892
The more ass sex you give them, the more they'll love you.

>> No.14708985

>>14708928
I don't do the switch, I just do the insane, all-consuming love thing.

>> No.14709011

>>14708911
Stay here. This site keeps you young at heart. You will be sane in the new world in a way you wouldn't be without 4chan. It's good for your health to be here, strange as that may sound.

>> No.14709021

>>14700791
>>Me want thing
>>No thing?
>>???
>>?
>>????

Honestly this is how I imagine the inside of some of my classmates' brains too

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>>14708223
Nice man, I'm glad for you, as presumably would be the Emperor. It helps a lot that the number one language English borrows words wholesale from is French and it isn't even a contest

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14709094

I cannot get over how erotic and enticing I find fat women. This is my fetish and I love it very much, and I want to rhapsodize about it and wax poetic about it. There is almost nothing as beautiful to me as a pretty fat girl, with her plump, happy cheeks and her double chin, and her big, blubbery breasts, and her jutting belly with its protuberant folds and rolls, and her broad, swollen thighs folding over onto her knees, and her big butt cheeks way too round and wide and jutting for her to hide.

God, I love fat girls so much. Just thinking about them right now makes me hard. They're all so wonderful and lovely. God bless every last fat lass in the world.

>> No.14709095

>>14708223
I'm the anon that suggested it. Glad it helped you. It's only natural. Latin has a reputation for being hard.

>> No.14709204

Why i am the way i am? Destiny? Genes?

>> No.14709239

>>14708223
Imagine being a quitter who pays for an MA to learn French.

Literally a shithole country.

>> No.14709316

>>14709204
who cares about that when the very idea of having an identity is flawed. if you spend enough time trying to define your identity concretely you'll realize that your actions are contradictory and your personality is fraudulent.

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14709364

Is there any particular order one needs to read Le Guin's Hainish cycle stories in? I've got a copy of Left Hand of Darkness I want to read and only just found out it's part of set of books.

>> No.14709369

give me a son

>> No.14709380

>>14696067
for awhile i thought i was gay. after sex with both genders, i find i am unable to gain my focus, and have sex while thinking about entirely different things. when i am able to cum, i laugh hysterically for about 30 seconds and am extremely sensitive to touch.

>> No.14709433

>>14709316
But people with identity are much more stable

>> No.14709550

I'm anti-tech, anti-science, anti-philosophy, anti-politics, anti-language, anti-education, anti-society, anti-art.

>> No.14709559

>>14709550
>anti-politics

That itself is political

>> No.14709562

>>14696067
I'm in the middle of self destructing big time. Haven't gone into work in a week, probably will get fired. I'm scared and weak and alone. This wont end well...

>> No.14709567

>>14709559
Politics or Πολιτικά means "affairs of the cities." I'm anti-cities and anti-affairs, also anti-Greek. The reason: none of these matter in the end, so I warn you not to waste time with them.

>> No.14709572

>>14709562
Why do you do this?

>> No.14709573

>>14709567

So waste yourself and save the rest of us the annoyance

>> No.14709579
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>>14709562
This except I'm supposed to be looking for a job, running out of money for rent and food. Can't kill myself, but I wish I could catch a stray bullet or something.

>> No.14709599

>>14709559
shut up retard

>> No.14709625

>>14709573
You said something meaningless. I'm assuming based on your comment that you mean to perform suicide to stop annoying "the rest of us." However, you have no context from my comments to assume I'd perform suicide to solve your annoyance. It'd be as meaningless of a response if you simply said "alligator."

>> No.14709632

>>14709625
Could not fall fast enough

>> No.14709692

>>14709572
I'm weak. Plus I hate my place in society, so I avoid being reminded of it; instead hiding in my video games, movies, and books. This recent development (skipping work) I dont know exactly how it happened, but I cant seem to stop

>> No.14709956

I want to fuck Adriana!

>> No.14710493

Is there any point in keeping shit you've written if you don't plan on publishing it or anything? Whenever I read something I wrote a couple of months ago, I physically cringe because of how bad it is, and end up deleting it. I've done this for years, and it seems that no matter how much I improve, I'll always view my writing as trash.

>> No.14710646

>>14696067
I’m reaching shonen protagonist levels of overconfidence, and I know this can’t last.

>> No.14710686

>>14710493
Dude, you got it all wrong.
If you want to exceed as a writer, you have to start LOVING your writing. Instead of saving it in some obscure space and then returning to it when bored, print your writings and hang them on the wall. In this way you can see where your weakness lay and next time you can improve on them.
Also give your writings other people to read.

>> No.14710711

>>14709562
Can't believe you skip out on work for a week and all you can say is you'll "probably" be fired

>> No.14710849

>>14704662

Maybe some of them are aware of how you see yourself. Do they have to address it?

It's difficult to know things about people that they don't express.


>>14703476

I like your post.

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>>14696067
It's funny after meditation I get these insights like I spend most of my day walking back anf forth in my apartment fantasizing about people from my past trying to cinvince me to not kill myself. What is even odder is that at these moments of lucidity instead of feeling self hatred and embarassment I feel much more powerful and self assured than I usually do.

>> No.14711367

Is it possible to have a healthy and happy life if you don't respond to positive reinforcement? I've realized that even if I'm praised, gain benefits, or/and feel satisfied about the outcome myself, it doesn't really increase the likelihood of me repeating that behavior. I've found the opposite true a lot of the time. I find myself thriving on being self-destructive and wallowing in self-pity.

>> No.14711628

>started staying up until 3am every night because it makes me hypomanic which is when I do my best writing
>keep it up for 9 years
>feel like im getting dumber
>start hearing concerning things about the relation between <8hrs of sleep and cognitive decline
>afraid if i sleep more, ill lose 2hrs a day I could spend on hobbies and leisure, and the hypomania i need to write well
>doctor advises me to try it for three months and see how it goes
>mfw I go to bed at midnight, cant fall asleep until 6am, and go to work feeling like I got run over by a tractor

I think i should take this as a sign

>> No.14711717

>>14711628
Sign of what? You've fucked up your sleep. Of course it takes time to adjust it.

>> No.14711727

>>14711628
As long as you get at least six hours you should be fine. Six is about what an adult needs.

>> No.14711765

>>14709433
there is no such thing as people with identity, only people who have yet to realize the incoherent and hypocritical nature of their behavior.

>> No.14711861

>>14696708
i feel you man..

>> No.14712815

bump

>> No.14712895

Everyone, stop using 'decimate' incorrectly. It's annoying to see.

>> No.14712909

>>14696067
private banking schemes such as mortgage backed and student loan backed securities are a ticking time bomb when coupled with the now normalized practice of increasing the debt ceiling every year indefinitely until the entirety of our tax revenue will be spent on nothing but servicing interest

>> No.14712911

>>14712895
How is it used wrong, and what do you consider the right way to use it?

>> No.14713047

>>14712911
You, as an outside force, cannot decimate something. Decimation must come from within.

>> No.14713074

>>14713047
didn't stop me from decimating ur mums pussy
L M A O

>> No.14713362

I was thinking of writing a short story with the gimmick of using a lot of made up words. Some of them would be understood through context, while some would be left up to the reader to assign their own meaning to. Hopefully this would allow readers to 'influence' the story based on who they are. I doubt it would be very good, but it would still be an interesting writing experience.

>> No.14713610

1. Only rational conclusion of the scientific-materialistic worldview: man is a machine, an automaton
2. Measures we apply to machines: functionality and efficiency
3. Friendship, love, god: values that are written down in spreadsheets, compared with other values and, depending on the need, either reinforced or rejected
4. The deactivation of machines: not a question of morality, but of human economy (the sum of human productive power)
5. The transmogrification of machines: same as deactivation
6. Complete and utter inhumaneness of humanity = flesh is iron, thoughts are steam; errect smelters, steam engines
Reject Soul Turmoil
Adopt Artisan Doctrine
Malleable Mass

>> No.14714234

>>14696067
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